TRAINING SESSION TRANSCRIPT HU-1043/TNG/02

• Document Type: CREST
• Collection: STARGATE
• Document Number (FOIA) /ESDN (CREST): CIA-RDP96-00788R001600040001-1
• Release Decision: RIFPUB
• Original Classification: K
• Document Page Count: 12
• Document Creation Date: November 4, 2016
• Document Release Date: May 17, 2000
• Sequence Number: 1
• Publication Date: October 14, 1983
• Content Type: TRANS

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#66: This will be a CENTER LANE training interview for
1100 hours 14 October 1983. Relax and concentrate
now. Relax, relax, relax. Relax and focus your
attention solely and completely for 1100 hours 14
October 1983. Acquire the local site.
#02: .........Black.
#66: Correct.
#02: Round.
#66: Can't feedback.
#66: I heard some sighs, do you want to declare some
sort of confusion?
#02: Yeah, I um, break, confusion break.
#66: Now tell me about it.
#02: I am getting a pulsing in color. It's like
starting out here as a light green and just
compressing into a dark green and just compressing
into a dark green and it's a constant pulsing.
#66: All right. Is that a visual?
#02: Yeah.
#66: All right, than at this stage things aren't
visual, so you call this an AOL, analytical
overlay, cause it's a visual. It's your mind
trying to explain something to you in a visual
mode. You say AOL, pulsing light.
#02: Okay. AOL, pulsing light, green light.
#66: Okay, relax and concentrate. Acquire the local
sight.
#02: Flat.
#66: Correct.
#02: Hard.
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#66: Probably correct.
#66: Can't feedback. These are stage 2s, not stage
is. We need stage 1 gestalt in order to build
stage 2s. Acquire the local site.
#02: Straight.
#66. Correct.
#02: Angle.
#66: Correct.
#02: Curved.
#66: Probably correct.
#02: Dark.
#66: Can't feedback.
#02: AI break. I'm getting, is that what I do when I
get a picture of something?
#66: An IA break is an emotional feeling or expression
or a change in apperature. Go ahead, talk to me
about it.
#02: I'm just getting a whole picture of something, and
I'm afraid I'm interpreting.
#66: That's fine. AOL break, describe. Tell me about
your AOL, your visual.
#02: What I'm seeing is a graveyard.
#66: AOL, graveyard.
#02: Um,um.
#66: Fine, now we're going to go back, we're going to
acquire the site again, the site of 11:00 on the
14th of October. We're going to go back and
acquire the site and I want you to tell me in
terms of a really broad perspective here as you're
perceiving the site, broad perspective on inside,
outside, open area, closed area, it';s brought,
it's dark. There almost stage 2s, but let's do
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very broad perspective here. Just relax for a
moment now, relax and concentrate. Acquire the
local site.
#02: Flat.
#66: Correct.
#02: Open.
#66: Correct.
#02: Some closed.
#66: Correct.
#02: Hard.
#66: Correct. Stage 2.
#02: Cold.
#66: Correct. Stage 2.
#02: Rough.
#66: Correct. stage 2.
#02: Wet.
#66: Can't feedback.
#02: Rectangular.
#66: Correct. That's a stage 3 dimensional, but that's
fine.
#02: Lines.
#66: Correct.
#02: Brown.
#66: Probably correct.
#02: Angles.
#66: Correct.
#02: .......Oh, confusion break.
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#66: Good. Now declare your confusion, tell me about
it.
#02: I couldn't find any words. I just was running out
of words.
#66: All right, that's. That can be either confusion
or too much break, maybe. You know, you'll have
to decide in your head whether there was too much
information to put into words or whether it was
confusing information that couldn't be put into
words.
#02: I think it was too much, I didn't know what to
describe.
#66: Okay. We've moved now through correct stage is
into a group of correct stage 2s and begin to see
valid stage 3s. So we can dispense with stage 1
and stage 2s and continue stage 3, which you have
gone into without my direction, which is fine
because you went into it in the proper order. So
relax and concentrate.
#02: Tell me what my stage 3 was.
#66: Your stage 3 are the dimensional things.
#02: The rectangular!
#66: Rectangular and angles and things like that.
#02: Okay.
#66: Okay.. In stage 3 the target has dimensions now,
so we can continue with the stage 3s. Acquire the
original site.
#02: ....Square.
#66: Correct.
#02: .......Tall.
#66: Correct.
#66: Probably correct.
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#02: Deep.
#66: Can't feedback.
#02: Rounded rather than round, not circular round but
#66: Confusion break.,
#02: Confusion break.
#66: Okay.
#02: Ah, lumpy.
#66: Okay. I perfectly satisfied with what you
described, I understand that.
#02: Oka
#66: Remember that, you know, you began to break into
sentences and the left brain understanding it, so
when that happens, break, because we want pure
signal information, not you figuring it out,
okay. you have done very good in stage 3
dimensionals. This site requires stage 4 function
in order to break it out so that you can
understand. In stage 4 you are capable of having
visuals, so you might have to declare the visuals
as AOL if you can identify them as such or they're
spontaneous visuals or constant visuals, they
might actually be site visuals. But there's a
difference between AOL visuals and site visuals,
which you'll have identify over the months to
come. We're now able to flow through into stage
4s now. Stage 4s are function and you'll have to
have stage 4 understanding in order to recognize
this site. Relax and concentrate now. Just relax
for a moment, relax. Let your body go limp,
prepare yourself and acquire the local site.
#02: ........Fenced.
#66: Okay, is that, I want to break here because there
was a heavy sigh before that, and so I don't know
whether that's just you breathing or whether that
was a confusion sigh.
#02: That was a, that was a sorting out in my mind of
visual, trying to give you a visual, but trying
not to interpret.
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#66: I understand. But if you said the words sorting
out in your mind, that means there's a lack of
spontaneity.
#02: Yeah.
#66: Therefore we will label this AOL, fenced.
#02: Okay.
#66: Okay, AOL, fenced. Relax and acquire the local
site.
#02: Outside.
#66: Stage 1 correct.
#02: Open.
#66: Stage 1 correct.
#02: Straight.
#66: Correct, stage 2.
#02: Hard.
#66: Correct, stage 2
#02: Rough.
#66: Correct, stage 2.
#02: Cold.
#66: Correct stage 2.
#02: Square.
#66: Correct, stage 2.
#02: Posts.
#66: Correct.
#02: Fence.
#66: Probably correct.
#02: Rock.
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#66: Near the site.
#02: Gray.
#66: Correct. Stage 2.
#02: Angles.
#66: Correct, stage 3
#02: Letters.
#66: Can't feedback.
#02: Trees.
#66: Near the site.
#02: Warm.
#66: Can't feedback.
#02: Sunlight.
#66: Correct.
#02: Shadows.
#66: Correct.
#02: Lines.
#66: Correct.
#02: Curved.
#66: Probably correct.
#02: Confined.
#66: Can't feedback.
#02: Confusion break.
#66: Okay. Tell me about the confusion.
#02: As soon as I said confined, the first thing that
went through my mind was a stockade.
#66: Okay.
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#02: I started interpreting.
#66: Right. AOL stockade.
#02: Um, um.
#66: All right, now we're going to move out of
structure and I'm going to ask you a few other
questions out of your normal structure here.
Relax and concentrate.
#02: Break. I'm hearing, those trucks are passing or
whatever it is, are distracting.
#66: Yes. ther are many things that are AOL,
invironmental AOLs that will go away after a
while. Many times, working with the senior
personnel, ambulance will go be and they don't
even hear it because they are paying attention to
the site. And I understand your distraction now
and we declare those as personal inclemencies
environmental overlay. All right now. Moving out
of structure, relax and concentrate. Relax and
focus on the site. Focus on 1100 hours 14 October
1983. And describe your perspective as you
observe the site.
#02: Standing straight on.
#66: Look up, describe.
#02: Trees, sky, clouds.
#66: Look behind you and describe.
#02: Building,..yellow, porch.
#66: All right. Have to move to 1100 hours, 1100
hours, the local site, 1100 hours on the 14th.
#02: Confusion break. Is that time or is that placing
one's body at 11:00?
#66: You want to move to a time window.
#02: Okay.
#66: Move and hold on a time window of 11:00, the local
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target, 11:00, 11:00 today. Okay, now as you
perceive the target, describe your position, your
perspective.
#02: It's of to, it's to my right. Level. It's as
though I'm standing beside it.
#66: Okay, look up.
#02: ...Sky, clouds.
#66: Okay.
#02: Trees.
#66: Okay, look directly up.
#02: ....Lines.
#66: describe lines.
#02: Wires.
#66: All right. Describe where the wires go.
#02: To poles.
#66: Describe poles.
#02: Round, insulators.
#66: Describe what the insulators are connected to.
#02: The wires.
#66: The other end of the insulators?
#02: Pole.
#66: Okay. If you go down the wire the other
direction, what's it connected to?
#02: ...I see it going into the ground.
#66: Um, um.
#02: Slanted. I see something round, concrete. A road.
#66: Um, um, that's near the site.
#02: Confusion break.
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#66: Okay, what's your confusion?
#02: I just seem to be wandering around.
#66: I think they have left the site by now and I think
you are uncomfortable with the fact that they are
not at the site.
#02: Could be. It's like I'm skipping from here to
here to here.
#66: Sure. You have some correct stage ls, stage 2s,
stage 3s, your dimensionals are really good. it
appears as though you have a stage 4 decoding
problem in terms of input and decoding the
functioning, which is entirely possible. So let
me review your stage is. You have an open area
that's square or flat, sunlight and bright and
everything. Stage 2s you have gray, cold, rough.
Stage 3s you have angulars, tall, lines. And
moving into stage 4s you have not reported any
stage 4s to me.
#02: I can't put it together.
#66: Yes, you have what we call a decoding problem.
You have a detection of a stage 4, but don't know
how to decode it. That's understandable..
#02: It's like I'm getting impressions of these but I'm
not putting them together and--
#66: Okay. And we have AOL visuals of lines connected
to like telephone pole, round type things, I guess.
#02: Um, um.
#66: And so forth and so on. Okay, anything else you
want to talk about?
#66: Okay. I want to turn off the tape, then I want
you to get and draw the things that you had, you
know the stage 1 things, the stage 2 things and so
forth and so on and write them down and give me
your stage 3s of your angles and squares, tails
and everything.
#02: Um, UM.
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#66: Okay. I'll put the tape recorder on pause while
you do your drawing.
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