GRILL FLAME MEETING AT ABERDEEN - 2 NOV 78

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• Document Number (FOIA) /ESDN (CREST): CIA-RDP96-00788R001200240009-5
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• Document Creation Date: November 4, 2016
• Document Release Date: June 19, 1998
• Sequence Number: 9
• Publication Date: November 3, 1978
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3 November 1978
SUBJ: GRILL FLAME Meeting at Aberdeen - 2 Nov 78
1. On 2 Nov 78, INSCOM GRILL FLAME Project Officer, Maj Watt, met with the
following Army Material Systems Analysis Activity (AMSAA) personnel to discuss
AMSAA involvement in Remote viewing:
John Kramar (GS-16) - Asst Dir for Systems Effectiveness and Joint
Service Activities
COL Albert DeProspero - Deputy Director, AMSAA
Lynne Taylor - GRILL FLAME Project Leader (AMSAA)
Scott Phillips - Air Weapons Division
Brit Harrison - Foreign Intelligence Office
NOTE: Scott Phillips is one of the SUBJECTS in the AMSAA GRILL FLAME Project.
2. MMr, John Kramar presented a two-hour orientation briefing on AMSAA involvement
with parapsychology phenomena. This included a brief historical summary of
paranormal activities.
3. Lynne Taylor, GRILL FLAME Project Leader, AMSAA and Scott Phillips then
briefed me on the status of the project they are running. In short, they are
conducting a series of experiments attempting to validate results that were
provided by Stanford Research Institute (SRI) on a series of remote viewing
exercises. They were conducting an exercise that afternoon and I was invited to
go with the "Outbound" team.
4. Remote Viewing Exercise: Briefly, it consisted of the "Outbound" team
receiving a sealed envelope containing a fixed location within a 30 minute ride
of AMSAA headquarters. The envelope was not opened until after the "Outbound"
team (of which I was a member) left Aberdeen Proving Grounds. Once we knew
the location, we still had to drive around until 30 minutes had elapsed. At the
designated time, we arrived at the "Test" location and walked around the area.
We stayed at the "test" location for 15 minutes and then returned to AMSAA.
Meanthile, the SUBJECT was being interviewed by the Inbound Experimenter.
Their conversation was taped and available for later screening. The SUBJECT
attempted to describe the area where the Outbound Team had gone. Neither the
SUBJECT nor the Inbound Experimenter had access to the sealed envelope.
Although the results still have to be analyzed by AMSAA personnel, I would
say that the experiment was partially successful. The SUBJECT was able to provide
some information concerning our location and the surrounding environment. However,
certain control measures and other facets of the experiment need further
exploration. I discussed my views with the AMSAA personnel.
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5. Lynne Taylor is going to send me a copy of the "work contract" that is
being drawn up which will outline what SRI will undertake for INSCOM.
6. Lynne Taylor concurred that AMSAA would be able to provide space, limited
as it may be, for me to conduct screening interviews with INSCOM personnel
as we develop our program.
7. We all agreed that next step was for me to contact SRI and set up time
to go visit them in order to receive in-depth orientation/training in remote
viewing exercises.
8. I want to note that all AMSAA personnel were extremely helpful and
provided outstanding support throughout the visit.
MURRAY `B. WATT
MAJ, MI
GRILL FAME PROJECT OFFICER
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