INSCOM GRILL FLAME BRIEFING FOR CONGRESSMAN ROSE, 16 APRIL 1981 (U)

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• Publication Date: April 17, 1981
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MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD
SUBJECT: INSCOM GRILL FLAME Briefing for Congressman Rose, L 6 April 1981 (U)
1. (U) PURPOSE: At 1030 hrs, 16 Apr 81, 1 briefed Congressman Charlie Rose
(Chairman, Evaluation Subcommittee of The House Permanent Committee on
Intelligence) on the status of the INSCOM GRILL FLAME Program. I had last briefed
Congressman Rose on 16 Jan 80.
2. (U) The following personnel attended the briefing:
Congressman Rose
MG Thompson, ACSI
Dick Giza, Office of Congressman Rose
Annette Smiley, Staffer from House Intel Committee
LTC Mike Chase, Office of Congressional Liaison
LTC Watt, INSCOM
MAJ O'Keefe, OACSI
Recorder (Identity unknown)
3. (U) Congressman Rose opened the meeting with the comments that he was
concerned that research into this field had to continue in an orderly manner and
that the program had to be funded properly.
4. (U) Inclosure 1 shows the outline of my presentation.
5. (S/NOFORN) Congressman Rose made the following observations/comments during
the briefing:
Puthoff
a. (S/NOFORN) He had recently been to SRI-I and been briefed by Dr.
SG1J and (DIA .rep at SRI-I). From that briefing, he (Rose) had.come
away wi the impression that perhaps the Army would like to break off future
contacts with SRI-I. COMMENT: Both MG Thompson and I informed the Congressman
that Army was still very much interested in working with SRI-I, especially
becoming involved with their new training concept. However, we also explained
that there were several other institutions doing.-valuable research in the field
of parapsychology and that we wanted to make contact with them. Congressman Rose
stated that was a very reasonable approach.
b. (S/NOFORN) Congressman Rose stated, again, that Remote Viewing potentially
was a most valuable asset for the intelligence community and that work in that
area had to continue.
c. (U) He.was willing to help in any way that he could, but mentioned the
commitment one makes when one "signs his name on the line."
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d. (S/NOFORN) He expressed concern with us.being operational on what
might be a premature-basis. COMMENT: I explained that-all tasking agencies
are cautioned about using our information as "single source" and that all
outgoing reports.have a statement. repeating the warning. Also, that from a
psychological standpoint, it appears that better results can be obtained if
the source knows that he is being asked to help on real world problems
MG Thompson stated that Ingo Swann had expressed similar thoughts to him.
6. (S/NOFORN) I summarized my presentation with the statement that `many civilian
organizations appear.to be doing very credible work in this area, SRI included;
however, they all have their own special interest(s). that they are trying to
develop. This has led to a very disjointed.effort and has-slowed development
in the field. I recommended that if DoD was going to seriously study the value
of parapsychology then someone must make the decision.to undertake and manage
a serious effort designed to settle once and for all any questions concerning
this field.
7. (U) Congressman-Rose expressed his thanks for a very informative briefing
and told us to keep up the outstanding work.
8. (U) The meeting adjourned at 1145 hours.
1 Incl MURRAY B.
as LTC, MI
Project Manager
CHAD B. WHITE, COL, GS
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