TRANSCRIPT REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION CCC 77

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• Publication Date: April 23, 1980
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REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION CCC 77
#66: This will be a remote viewing session for 2400 hours, 23
April 1980.
Relax now and focus your attention, focus your attention on
Steven Lauterbach. Focus your attention on him. I've shown
you his picture. Locate Steven. Locate him. Focus on
Steven Lauterbach and describe his location to me.
+07 #7: Was a . . . .
Looks sloppy. Reading . . thick book.
Reading.
PAUSE
+09 Engineering. . . Some kind of technical book.
PAUSE
Back to window. Sunshine.
#66: Tell me about the room he's in:
+10 #7: Yellow. . Yellow. Yellowish walls. Small cot-like bed.
He . . . got it pushed in a corner. with the head towards the
window. Doesn't seem to be anybody . . . . anybody . . .
in the room.
#66: Is Steven in this room?
#7: Yeah. He's reading.
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#66: Tell me how the room fits in the building.
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+11 #7: Its a long building. A long building. He's facing
facing. . a door. . . . that goes to a hall.
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About 40 or 50 feet down the hall, there's a stairway.
PAUSE
#66: Which way do the stairs go?
#7: They go down. Lead off to the right and go down.
+12 Other side of hall. I feel I can see down into a big . . .
entry foyer, lobby, something.
PAUSE
The sun is coming through the window there. Down in the
lobby. . As I come out of his room and turn right, the front
of the building's on my right. No! Is on my left. I turn
right and its on my left.
#66: Look around the lobby. Is there anyone' in the lobby?
+14 #7: Yeah.
#66: Describe who's in the lobby.
#7: I see three people . . dressed . . very dark. . clothing.
They're bare headed. I can't tell if its dark suit or
+16 uniform. They . . They act like . . .they're not sure
what the hell they're doing. They're just . . . just carry-
ing out orders. Nondecision. . . Nondecision.
#66: Were they armed?
#7: 1 thought their arming had . . khaki colored uniform but he's
. . . he . looks very dark, almost black, uniform. Suit,
something. Bare headed. Could be . . . . dark suit. Trousers
top the same.
+17 I see other people coming and going through the . . . . .
through this lobby thing. Just someone go by but . . with a
tray of medicine or food. White cloth covering tray.
+18 That's funny. There"s some people outside looking . .
look liko . . . . look like . . . militant types. Bored.,
gotta be there. Some kind of long weapon shape straped over
a shoulder.
+19 Very . Very bored. Like they've been on duty all night.
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#66:
#7:
#66:
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#7:
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#7:
Move your perceptions outside with them. Look back at
the building and describe what you see.
PAUSE
Hmmm. Hmm. I don't know.
PAUSE
I see pillars. Pillars. Multiple arches. Seems . . .
Seems to be pillars, arch shape supporting. . overhang.
Open..
Very slowly now, very slowly move up and away from the
building at a forty-five degree angle. Very slowly until
you may see the building shape and describe it Lo me.
Its only about 2/3's high, 3 the most. Got projecting over-
hang that goes that way. I am on the street side. Projecting
overhang extends to my right. I'm facing the building.
711on't ou recognize this building?
think I've ever seen it befo
PAUSE
Its kind of crazy like the one I saw.. . weeks . . weeks ago.
But I can't remember detail.
I'm getting this thick impression that, the building is very
bright. Reflects. . . Well, I'll be damned.
Okay. Its reflecting a lot of light. Sun must be behind
me.
+25 I keep seeing a shape that is.like . . . a wagon wheel with
#66:
spokes. Horizontal plane. I just see it
. . . buildings.
Okay.
. overlaying
#7:
I don't know what it means.
.466:
Tell me about your position of observation.
Tell me about
your position of observation.
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#1.7:
About 100 feet up. . . and I'm down the street or road.about
200 feet. The sun's in my back.
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#66: Move up to 500 feet and see if you recognize where you
are.
PAUSE
+27 #7: I went to far. I think I'm over 500 feet.
PAUSE
For a minute I thought I saw a pipe. A very . . . . .
I thought I was at the compound. Compound has got a
wall inside. . . inside. A very . . . . I'm seeing -
I can't shake it. A view of the whole place, like a
engineering drawing. . instead of a photograph.
#66: And which building were you in?
+24 #7: //Long building over there with the overhang. The roofline
kind of . . kind of saw-tooth. Irregular. Cast from_t
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#66:
#7:
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#66:
#7:
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#66:
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shadows, they zig-zag. ,,I']
f/ AAMA(
I don't know where this is but there's a barrier some distance
from . . from this . . . Seems. . Seems to be rows of . . .
open on the . . . . West. West. . West end. But its pretty
rugged. Barrier on the North, South and East.
All right.
ldg still looks like bright, reflective. I keep wantin
o . . Keep wanting to say its white, but. . . wavey. Th
un is so bright on the walls, I can't be sure its . . no
ust bright.
Seems to be . . . Chimney like structure. . . on this end.
Okay, move now. . from your position, move now slowly back
down to the building, back inside through the foyer back to
the original starting point.
I can't remember I .?. (not audible - mumbling) very high
overhead. Light . . Light is coming through up there some-
where. There is a balcony inside the foyer. There's other
people . . other people . . . inat.her rooms here.
(Mumbling)
Tell me about some of these other people.
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+35 #7: I'm sorry.
Other people. They . . . . The one's I'm aware of . . .
are in . . rooms on the left side of the hall. . as I
go back towards where I was.
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Just . . . I don't know.
PAUSE
It was a number. A number on the door. I can't get through.
I'm aware there's . . . more people here. These look like
just single, little'rooms. At least one has got a kind of
bathroom it seems. Western style. I don't know where they
eat.
#66: Are these other rooms occupied?
+38' #7: I. . I see . 'I saw a guy. A skinny tall guy. Reminded
me of . . . Oh, what the hell's his name. Reminded me of
Russell Targ. He was tall, skinny, awkward. Glasses.
#66: Is he a hostage?
#7: I think so, he . . standing here in his skivvies, shaving.
#66: Okay, look him over real good and we'll try to identify him
later. Tell me a little bit about him.
#7: He . . He wears glasses. Very . . . . . . . . .
Guy's got long hair, bushy hair. Clean face. Looks of his
eyes - he's got very weak eyes. Not much to tell about him
except he's awful awkward.
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+40 Another room I see. . . a guy bare to the waist. 150 to 60
pounds. Bearded. Looking out the window. He's got . . .
sitting on something. Got his feet up, arms clasped around
his knees. He's alone..
#66: Okay. Of these three individuals now, these three individuals,
Steven and these two others, which one do you like the most?
#7: Steven's the smartest.
#66: Move back to be with Steven now,
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#7: He's . reading.
#66: While he's occupied reading, ask him how he's doing.
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#7: I'll be damned! He . . First he's smiling . . funny. . .
funny smile. Like I don't believe this. Then he got very
serious. He started thinking about home. He's got a
complete . . Wait a minute. He's got complete confidence
. that this is going to be all right. That somebody's
going to . .
+50 You can't see it. But the place is bristling . . . with
small arms. All angles. That's right, I can't see it.
Somebody they call the Fox. Some Iranian they call the Fox.
Watch out. He . trying . . . . to . . .
You can't , . You can't even get off a helicopter. . with
learings. . . where. . helicopter can set down. . Its a trap
More . . . More fire power outside than in.Clearings. .
ose_people across the way . . . may be caught . . crossfire
omom the back. The places is loaded for bear. More . . .
`them striking distance over here. The place is covered.
Yeah, its covered. Covered. Damn. . .
#66:
Everything is all right.
Just relax.
#7:
You can't get in here. Yo
u can't get out either.
#66:
Just relax.
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#7:
He . . . He He sai
d . only way he's going to walk
out of there if . they turn him loose.
He's pretty upset. (Mumbling) He's analyzing some stuff
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he's been putting off thinking about. Shah. . He was
counting on Shah dying. Then they would have excuse to turn
him loose.
He's been praying (mumbling - not audible). Pull him out
by force. He doesn't . He doesn't . . think like
military. . mind. He seems to be intellectual.
#66: Ask him . .
#7: Fate. . . He's afraid of the guns.
+58 #66: Ask him the name of the building he's. in.
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He's....
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#7: I don't know whether I saw it right.
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Oh, he keeps showing me . . . some writing. He ought to
be able to do this. First was arabic type letters. I
asked him to give it to me in English. . . and appeared
to be reading right-left. I only got a few letters. It
was like P something . . . I want to try again.
PAUSE
#66: Ask him'if he knows where he is.
PAUSE
+63 #7: He was blind folded when he was brought here. But, he. thinks
it has something to do with Western culture. Building . . .
faded out with Westerners. . in my . . . . . . . . . . . .
+64 He doesn't know. I still see Arabic, probably overlay.
#66: I have no further questions for Steven. I would like to give
you the opportunity now to ask any questions that you would
like to ask.
#7: I told him I'd like him to be Point of Contact. . for future
efforts. We understand each other. He . . was reluctant.
This surprised me. I thought he'd jump at it. He's . . .
very tired. 'Don't confuse me - just get me out of here.'
But he will talk.
#66: Very good.
#7: That's about the size of it.
#66: I have no further questions about the target at this time.
If there's anything that you'd like to add, please do so
now,
#7: I guess I really don't know where I am. I started off
thinking I was outside. . outside of the compound. I
went up to altitude and saw very I thought I was in
the compound. But nothing looked right. So, I must be
outside. That's about all the impressions I got.
#66: All right. Fine. At this time return your consciousness
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#66: Take a deep breath. Move your arms and move your legs.
Prepare to draw those impressions you've had.
PAUSE
#7: Oh, God damn these are noisey chairs.
PAUSE
Okay. I felt the room he was in was . . . there was a
window and he had apparently moved a small bed, like a
cot, near the wall. There's a window here.
I vaguely aware of a table and some chairs in the room.
Books and papers strewn around the place.
Seemed like the room should have been wider than that,
but. .
And there was apparently other rooms like it, which made
me wonder what kind of damn building I was in. And there
was a hall with . . I think there were . . . It seemed
like this was always behind me. I was facing towards
that side, but I think there were probably rooms on the
other side of the hall as well. It could have been.
that wall could have been the outside. I just didn't
examine it; I don't know.
#66: Okay.
#7: I don't know - the room looks awful small. I felt that
way.
#66: Okay. The next thing I have is 40-50 feet down the hall
there's a stairway. Stairs seem to go down.
#7: Stairs were . . I don't understand this, but I had the
feeling they were going . There was two rows of stairs
that somehow they came together on a landing or something
down here. I guess they come back through this-way.
I don't know. One side could have been up; one down.
don't know. His room must have been down around here
somewhere.
#66: And from your description apparently on the second floor?
#7: Yes, I think it was on the second floor.
#66: Okay.
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#7: And.across from the stairways there seemed like it was
some kind of a balcony or something. . looking. . down
into a . . big. lobby or something. And . . I had the
feeling it was a double entry or something funny about
over near where I sensed that you could exit the place.
On the left as you come in, I guess its a guard station
or something.
#66: If you just write stairs on this. . . See, many of these
pictures will just be transmitted without the transcripts
so the pictures should try to stand alone. Steven's room.
Could you see when you were here or not whether there was
more hallway over here or was this the end of it? Did this
whole . . .
#7: I don't think I thought about it. I think it continued.
But I don't know how far.
#66: Okay.
PAUSE
Now, have you drawn... . Okay, this . . then you think
there might be rooms over here or maybe its an outside
wall.
#7: Now, looking at it now, looking. at where the lobby is, it.
looked like there must be rooms on it. That's logic though,
I just didn't look. .
#66: Okay. That's what I was wondering. Okay.
#7: I didn't look.. I don't know.
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#66: Were you confused about some point about your left and
your right too? When. you came out, you said its to my
left, no its to..my right. Do you remember that?
#7: Yeah. Something. I came out of the room and turn to my
right and I think I said. . meant to say the foyer was on
my left and I just went right right. .
#66: Um hm.
#7: Then I got all balled up. I don't know what came out but
that's the way I remember it.
#66: Okay. That's fine.
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#7: They were. . apparently a hall underneath of this because
there were people coming and going this way. And several
people standing around in little groups. But I can't
exactly place them.
#66: Okay.
#7: It was almost like a . . barracks lobby or a hotel lobby
or something like that. People standing around. . waiting
for God knows what. Killing time. None of them ours,
by the way.
From one point, I think from out front, I get a view of
. . . . . I don't know, some kind of . . . How in the hell.
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This seemed to go around . . . . .
#66: This is the arched shaped overhang thing?
#7: Yes, but . . . The building was. back in this thing some
how or another. And this . . . seemed to extend. . . .
I don't know what to make of it. That's about the best
I can do.
#66: Okay, but this is the first thing you saw when T asked 'iou
Fo gn out-side and inok hack at the building?
#7: Yes, I was looking. I felt the entryway was back in here
somewhere. No. I don't know.
I just assumed when I went into it, I was going back to the
same building I went to earlier. It sure in the devil didn't
look like it.
I don't know if that means why it was a bad scene or . . .
#66: Sure.
#7: I have no idea. When I got up in the air, I remember there
was something about a long building shape that I was seeing
this thing around it and then it was zig-zaged or something.
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#7: And I don't know how many of these there were, there was
quite a few.. of them. But I had the feeling it . .
that parking would go back in there, like that. Now wait
a minute, this is too big relative to the building. I
think this is where the columns were. But the building
was more intricate than that. I can't come up with the
exact shape. I think it was bigger than that relative to
these things. The base of the building with overhang with
arches around it and some kind of zig zag overhang - then
I thought cars went into it at an angle.
#66: Okay. So, basically, we have a rectangular building.
#7: Yeah.
#66: And then there's an attachment or additional thing that are
like archway things and then over here is this . . .
maybe parking area, but its a separate roof structure.
#7: . Its open. Open. Yeah, it was an open roof. I was
trying to figure out why it was zig zag like that and I
,;don't know how I came up with it. It could be that its just
agarden parties or, something. But because of the way its
ht that vehicles or somethin
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Yrtn it at an angle. I don't know what you can do with that'
Did I say anything else?
#66: Okay, at this point I asked you to go back inside and
back in through the lobby and then you found people milling
around and
#7: Oh yeah. There was light coming through way up high above
somewhere. I remember that. Like it, you know, the ceiling
was very high and had windows up there somewhere.
#66: Like that ... maybe . . there was . . light coming in from
skylight of some kind.
#7: A skylight or windows around clear stories around or something.
#66: Okay.
#7: Oh, I went back down the hall and this is where I became
aware of other people in rooms similar to his side of the
hall.
#66: Okay. And I'll ask you later to look at some pictures to see
if you can identify any of them.
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#7: Let me-see if I can remember. There was a very skinny,
slim, very tall, bushy headed guy - bad eyes.
There was somebody else. Oh yeah. There was a smaller
guy. With his feet up on something with his hands around
his knees looking out a window. Bearded. Curly hair.
Looking out a window.
#66: Naked to the waist?
#7: Naked to the waist.
#66: Okay. Something about a number on a door at one time too.
#7: Oh yeah. It was about 7 or 6 digits. I didn't make it out.
But it was like someone had taken a piece of tape and written
a long number, almost the size of a serial number and stuck
it on the door..
#66: Okay. Now at this point I ask you to talk to him about
some of the guards. .
#7: Oh Steven yeah.
#66: To Steven about some of the guards and you said the place
is bristling with small arms. Did he show you pictures
of this? Or did he talk to you about this?
#7: I got imagery. That's funny. I felt I was talking to him.
But I got the imagery.
#66: That's entirely possible.
#7: As though the guns were . . . outside directed at the
building. Yeah. Instead of being inside defensive of the
building, . . . there was a few, you know, a few people
around with rifles and I think I saw one side arm. two.
But it seemed that all the fire power was outside directing
back at the building.. And there was something about across
the road, across the street. . . . .here was a lot of fire
power directed back towards that building. There is quite
a few trees around. I guess to the East. Somewhere near
an opening. I don't think I even mentioned the trees.
#66: ou said. . people cross the way be caught in the cross fire
fpm the back place. Is loaded to bear with more fire power
outside than in.
#7: Ohl Anyone trying to come into the building would be caught)
in cross fire from the building and from one hell of a lot
f of fire power coming from behind them. They're interest
would be towards the building and that's where the fire woulfd
f, come from.
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#66: Then you said something about clearings where helicopters
could set down. Its a trap.
#7: Yeah, these were some distance away. I don't know, a few
hundred yards.
That was imagery too. You know, I don't know how to handle
this. I don't.think anyone is sitting down there right now,
but I saw. . . . . . I saw people trying to pile off
helicopters and just . . never even hit the ground and I
thought he was creating an image for me to explain the
futility of using that spot.
#66: Um hm. That sounds like it. Um hm.
#7: One of us had trouble handling that. It was pretty awful.
I think there was two or three places, but this one. . . .
I don't know, I felt was somewhere to the East of the
building. And now that I look back over it, I see some-
thing that logically tells me that that was the East, I
can't find it but at the time, I thought it was the East.
That was about it, wasn't it.
#66: You had some other discussions with him about how he
was worried and so forth and so on and he didn't know
what building he was in except it was a Westernized building.
#7: Yeah. I don't know whether the stuff had been used or
moved in to Westernize it for that purpose or whether it
Westernized for another purpose and they were using it.
Hell, it might have been a com. . . . Oh, wait a minute!
At some distance from the building was a barrier like
ngy stabs, stubs whatever. But they immediately looked
-like the pipes that I have seen outside the Embassy grounds
Pipes going . . . several directions - not meant to hurt
anyone. Just meant to slow them down. I tried to see an
opening in it to see how you got in there and I think there
was one along this . . . but that appeared open to the West
I couldn't see anything to the West.
#66: Okay. Anything else you'd like to add then?
#7: No - I don't think so.
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TGT: - ALPHA, BRAVO, CHARLIE,
- DELTA, ECHO, FOXTROT,
- GULF, HOTEL, INDIA,
- JULIET, KILB, LIMA,
- MIKE, XRAY, YANKEE
NUMBER 1 - thru 53
(SEE ATTACHED. LISTING)
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KEY QUESTIONS:
ALPHA TGTS: WHICH HOSTAGES IF ANY DID YOU OBSERVE
IN THE TARGET LOCAL?
NUMERIC TGTS: WHICH FACILITY DID YOU FIND THE TARGET?
FOLLOW-ON QUESTIONS:
(a) DESCRIBE THE FACILITY WHERE THE TARGET WAS.
(b) WERE THEIR OTHER HOSTAGES?
(c) DESCRIBE ANY GUARDS YOU SAW.
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