SUMMARY REMOTE VIEWING SESSION CC44

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REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION
1. (S) This report documents a Remote Viewing (RV) session
conducted in compliance with a request from SOD, J3, OJCS,
Pentagon, Washington, D.C. The purpose of the session was
to provide information relevant to the hostage situation in
the U.S. Embassy compound in Teheran, Iran.
2. (S) The remote viewer's impressions of the target are
provided as raw intelligence data and as such have not been
subjected to any intermediate analysis, evaluation or collation.
Interpretation and use of the information provided is the
responsibility of the requestor.
3. (S) The protocol used for this session is detailed in the
document, Grill Flame Protocol, AMSAA Applied Remote Viewing
Protocol'(S), undated.
4. (S) Following is a transcript of the viewer's impressions
during the remote viewing session. At TAB A are drawings made
by the remote viewer reference his impressions of the target
site. At TAB B is target cueing Information provided the
remote viewer.
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#66
REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION CC44
This will be a remote viewing session (edited
#66
Focus
your
attention now on the individual whose
photo
Locate
you
the
have been studying. Relax and concentrate
individual in the picture. Fpcus your
attention on that area. Relax and concentrate
and describe the area to me.
#10.5 Arrangement (mumbling) when I first acquired ..the
thought of hospital ward went through me. I have a
a series of..uh..beds, white sheets, side-by-side
bed against the wall and narrow room that looks
like .... it's open... like.... it has almost..uh..
a hallway-open passage at both ends..uh..the beds
are at my end. It's..uh..room has..uh..place has
..uh..windows on the left. It's a small..panes..
like spiderwebs...and outside it is as though I'm
looking at another building close by but I would
feel it's part of the same building outside the
window that I see..uh..the window has under it a
low counter or ledge that runs the full length. I
appears rather long. There are..uh..maybe four or
five..uh..beds clustered..uh..in this end of the
room. Overhead lighting..uh..individual coans
(phonetic) with flared edges hanging from.. .but there
is no door that I see...and, this end of the room
behind me makes..uh..a left against a left on the
other side of this..uh..wall and it just is an
open hallway feeling.... like we're in a small anti-
room. .uh. .off the main corridor. At the end of the
corridor a little (mumbling) wall prevents people
from looking in from the corridor and..uh..right
outside ..on the other side of this abutment (phonetic)
wall are wooden (mumbling) double doors with the
big thing on the top to close them. I feel (mumbling)
there is..uh..they..uh..thing between the doors..
aluminum door jam narrow piece separating these two
doors. I am in..uh..I exited and the building from
above appears to be..uh..H shaped but with the cross
(mumbling) at the top of the H. The room location
was right inside of the arm of the H. Cro3s (mumbling)
on the left. The left side of this building appears
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wider than the right side of this building and
it is differently shaped like it has an..a square
(mumbling) protruding (mumbling) but the right
side is a simple long rectangle. It appears
dark against a light background and I'm having
chills. I will.. .there appears... openness on the
bottom with a road or a pavement line some
distance from the bottom of the H, but, I think that
a nearer road goes up close to the lumpy side of the
..uh..like a main entrance, but, it is far from where
I was. It was..uh..... dark back where I was, but,
appears lighter at the other end. I..uh..I'm outside
H which is really close to it. Like it was..right
in close. I'm back in the place what I left from.
Right outside of this room this corridor or room
I will traverse away from the double doors. I'm
..uh..I..uh..sense that it is a..uh..a very..uh..
what I think is this hall terminates at a very open
glassed in..uh..windowed..uh..front face of a structure
left of this building wall. The building is a longer
to my right, alot than on the left side. It is not
so long. I'm off center in the building side to the
left.
and I'm getting a double..a double..uh..story..double
..uh..larger place with..uh..straight steps leading
down from the front and some vertical lines set in
..uh..the front entrance. Uh..walls on each side of
step. Oh..tree lined street, sidewalk..steps on the
sidewalk..uh..steps to the left. On the right I did
not feel a tree line at first..uh..uh..I'm..this..
I'm offset..I am at.... where I am...I'm on the far
##10.5 OK. Oh..there does appear to be a..uh..narrow porch
or standing place on this. It's got some sort of
columns sticking up, but, I'm inside that now and I..
uh..I've got a..uh..a rectangular..uh..oh..a room..uh
like a waiting room or a..uh..a public room of some
kind. On the right side there is a..uh..the..a..uh..
a dark rectangle...like it's a hallway going down
the long access.... the... but, it's still much .... it's
still like it's on the outside. A periphery of this
building. I'm not anywhere near where I started. I'm
still out near what I think is the end of this big
hall.
1/66 Focus your attention back on the individual and tell
me more about him.
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#10?.5 I am drifting a little bit, I think. I have a
image of..uh..had no activity to begin with, now I
have image of a man in..uh..like a T-shirt..uh..
being moved ..hands on head in classic prisoner mode..
moving at gun point by a single person and they are
going around the thit the end,of the room...
the abutment. I nt to make them' '"going t tough the
double doors. have a feeling of.. ?.ey're walking
over to the of er building. Uh..wing.mumbling) very
sterile..pass geway with windows on er side. There
is..I..uh..is another entrance int (mumbling) ...wing
and on the le there appears e some sort of a
desk or long lo unter ome kind. A flattened..
uh..semi-circular shape.
#66 Is this individual the one in the picture?
#10.5 I thought so. I was trying to move with the image and
I had the feeling that it was and that..uh..he was
being moved somewhere but he was...had the definite
feeling of partially dressed and not in a full clothes
and T-shirt. That type of affair. With long loose
baggy pants and..uh..I would say barefooted. I don't
know where I am in time. The feeling of the beds back
to where I was, was that..uh.. some of them-the sheets
the white was..very bumpy, irregular and high. As though
when someone lays, sitting up in a bed with the sheets
drawn around the legs, it makes it big bump in the
sheets, and...uh...that's about all. I definitely had
the feeling of at least one bed occupied in that manner
when I was first there. When I returned, I had an
image of movement. Small table in there , and I had a
definite flavor of..uh..flavor ward like sensation,
when I first started this session, and I'm..uh..
rapidly rising to the top of my proverbial cosmic
float here. Good old (mumbling)..uh..
#66 Would you like to draw now?
#10.5 . Yeah.
I had the really strong Feeling at the beginning+/o
the session that this guy was in a hospital for a
physical or had had some minor problem or something
and was going to be seen and he was stuck in some
out of the way place for care taking until they could
get somebody to look at him. Really had a strong
medicinal treatment hospital, sterile, type of a feeling
when I first got in that room.
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#66 Are there other things that you saw in the building
.itself which may make you think that this is a hospital?
#10.5 No. Well...funny idea of a curved thing in the other
wing or the other side of the building. Like a
reception desk, or something like that. This desk
on the left side. The hall was essentially blank and
open. I didn't get anything all the way down the
hall to the front of this building, but, it was....
no, I have to admit.... no ..... of course, through the
session, once I got that done with, I tried to pay
attention to detail and everything else and I tried to
get rid of that and I did not have that feeling while
I was outside or when It was up above. I had the
feeling of public, municipal type place, open..you
know ....the openness of it all...and the moderness
of it all. I think I can say that. But, then when
I got back to the room, I had that feeling again.
OK, after I'd been out and I got back in.
#66 OK. You're saying that the room......
#10.5 ...has the feeling. I would say that. But, when he
was being moved at the end of the session, when you
asked me to find him, and I told you I didn't know
where I was in time, but, I had this feeling of this
guy being escorted with a guard behind him with a
rifle walking down and outside this place and through
the double doors .... as though he was going someplace...
he was partially clad... like in pajamas... .you know...
that type of a situation.... and barefoot. I just....
it just sort of felt natural to me that he was going
to go and get his check up. That's where he was taking
him, you see.. .going to take him down to the doctor
now. That was just sort of a natural follow on, as
soon as I saw that image. He wasn't eing taken to
be interrogated. He wasn't afraid, or anything like
that. He was like... just being taken to see somebody
and the some overlay of hospital check up type of
thing came back then. Ok. Start from the beginning,
I guess.
Ok. The room as I first saw it here. On the left
side of this wall....iL's a longer room ..... a longish
room ..... ok ..... on the left side of this thing is a
low box like structure of some kind .... and right above
it.... I had the feeling of a long window... like this
and through this window, on the left, I could see
another thing...it was like I was looking across
a little grass strip to another part of the building.
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It was another building...to the left side of this
At least another building.
#66 Another building or another wing.
#10.5 Well, it turned out to be another wing but, I'm saying
is a
thi
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it's at least that. Along here .... On .....
dark ..... at the end of the room is just a dark passage-
way. I did not feel a door there, nor did I feel a
door to my back in sketch one. And, here are beds.
Here's another one..ok..like this. And, here's another
one here. You get the idea, right.
#66 Make them nice and dark.
#10.5 Yes. Let me darken them up a bit, while I'm thinking
about it.
#10.5 And there were four or five of these. At first,
I thought they were just sort of presumed they were
all occupied but later on I did not get the idea that
all these beds were occupied... but, I did get the idea
that one of them was occupied. Not only one, but, one
at least was and that..uh..I could tell that because
I had the shape of this draped shape of something in
it and under the cover.. .you know .... you could tell
it was in under the cover because the way the ...these
lights sheets were. It was like somebody was leaning
back in a bed and had the white sheets over it with
the knees like that. So it made this big bumb.
Unusual bump.
#66 Is the occupant other than your beacon individual?
#10.5 No. I think that was it. I think that was it.
Because when I was standing there, I was standing at
the foot of a bed with a person in it.
#66 So you think that is your beacon.
#10.5 Right.
#66 OK. Then you're saying that you did not perceive
whether or not the other beds were occupied.
#10.5 Later on in the session, I could not perceive. I
think that there were none occupied other than that
one. But, at this point in the session, first part
...no...there was nobody .... no, I could not tell
if there was anybody there. I kept seeing made beds.
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#66 Nice neat .....
#10.5 Nice neat, yes, made beds. With one exception.
One... one ..... one that has this big bump in it .....
in the sheet .... and it's a sheet. There's no
darkness. It's all light ..... the light coverings....
ok.... and somewhere, between the beds on... .against
this wall is a small little lamp, like would find on
a night table or something, ok.
#66 You said something about the overhead light.
#10.5 Oh. Yeah, and the overhead lighting is flanged...
how do I describe it..... flanged..uh..cones suspended
like that, ok. And, I had the feeling that that was
like a crome or stainless steel type of hanging thing.
Like that. And, that there were a couple of these.
OK. Now, the thing .... the distinct thing about this
is that the far end of this place is unoccupied and
the beds are shoved down against the...this end of the
room, where I am.... and here, in the foreground is a
wall .... a budding wall which I will talk about later.
Like that, ok. Like that. It sticks out.
To go to two, I will draw a layout as I perceive it to
be. Two is like an overhead view. I did not really
see it so much in the overhead. I..
#66 You're going to extrapolate an overhead view based on
the imagery that you did see.
#10.5 Right. Right. There's a window, ok. Ok, ok. Here
you have an exit and no doors... all right and the beds.
Let me draw those in right quick. There are four or ?
five here. I hesitate to get into numbers. I just
get a general feeling... low number .... more than two....
less than 10.... you know. That kind of a thing.
Now, to describe this thing for the sake of the tape,
here. I would say that that was .......when I look
real close it was.... when I looked through that abutment
wall it was real close. This is what I'm talking about.
The abutment wall here. There ...the double doors that
I'm talking about. They go out to this wing. Here
you are. This is a...lower right a hallway... essentially
blank.... a little abutment sticking off up here above
Walking
that hallway is the room as I perceived
it. tWalhi
down the hallway, to the left, you peel
right and you walk pass retaining wall. You hang a
right and you just go through an pen area, and no
door. I didn't get any feeling for door.... swinging
door... .closed door ..... locked door. Just like an
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open ward. That was the thing that came through to
me. It was just like, you know how a ward..there is
no privacy..you can't close the dam door, 'cause
there ain't none, usually. It's just..an open area
at the end of the hall, type of a situation. Well,
that was this feeling. You just walk through a
portical, where a door would be, and you're in this
little inter-space which is where.I perceived the..
where I started the session out, and, if you were to
walk on through it, you would pass this low thing on
the left. Sketch one. Shelf-type thing, or radiator
or heater, type of thing, sticks off the wall n a
box. Above it is a long, public building type of a
window, and in the very back of the room is another
open.walk space. No door. That's this little black
thing here.
#66 Which you did not explore.
#10.5 1 didn't go that way, no. All right. That's it.
.When I was here, where the X is on two, is
approximately where I started the session out.
#66 OK. I would like to take this opportunity to turn
the tape over now. We're running out of tape.
#10.5 The X in two, is just about where I was, ok. I will
draw a little number 3 on number two. That is the
view down the hall from there. I had this feeling
..very wide-not a narrow hallway.. .not a normal
size hallway, but a very wide one..ok..that line
doesn't cut it. It was dark back here where I am.
And, down here it was light, at the end of this place.
#66 Show me by an arrow, on drawing two, in which direction
you're looking.
#10.5 Three is this way with a little arrow by three there.
Here, to my left on three is to the room. Now, this
is light and I got the feeling for some sort of a big
public type of entrance... large type of entrance. I
had no feeling for doors or anything ...... It doesn't
mean there aren't any there, but I just ...I went in
once I'd returned to the room from my aerial ... I
just went clown to the end...1 turned around, tried
walking backwards so I could keep my focus on where
I'd been but then suddenly I found myself outside.
Like I just went..junk.... but, I had the feeling that
this thing was rather lon.... large and wide to the
tune of 30 feet wide.. .and the tune of 120 feet long,
or longer.
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#66 Anything.... any other rooms or anything in the hall?
#10.5 I can't comment because I did not get the feel for
other doors...that was a solid feel. That sort of
a thing. So that's three.
Ok. Then I'll show you also on sketch two little
arrow.... sketch four will be this, ok. There is this
little retaining wall, sticks back in, like that, ok.
Double door. Now here, you'll get the idea here...
there's the actual-like that. That's the feeling
there. Jog around to the right, and that's to the
room. Number four is looking the opposite way towards
the double doors at the end of the hall where the
roomis..once over there. There is something over
there, but I don't know what it is. But there's no
retain .... I don't think there is a retaining wall.
There is.. .there is something over there. I'll draw
it as a dotted line. There is something over there.
I remember looking over there ..... what's that across
'the hall and just ..... something there. Not an object.
Lack of an object is what it is. It was like it was
another entrance way, or something. These are double
doors. I had the definite feeling of the air pressure
type thing with the arm, you know, to return the doors
..the air, pheumatic reservoir..and I had the definite
feeling of a breaker bar concept. You know, breaker
bar and no window, though. I did not feel anything
for a window. Ok. That's four.
Actually, in tracing the dialogue and doing the
sketches with the tape and the transcript..from two
I went to five and then came back down toward the
area. Drawing five was a momentary departure, I took
from the area. This was the feeling I was trying to
get across. An off-sided H shape. There is a street
that comes real close here but then there is something
like a parking area or whatever goes up there. Oh..
when I took out of the building my point of focus was
at the X located on sketch five.
#66 On what floor?
#10.5 I can't tell you. I don't know. I just don't. When
I went to the other end of the hall I was on the
street level. I didn't see any floors go by me as I
was on my way out of the building. Oh..you know, it
was one of those ..pop..type things..you just suddenly
you're at 150 feet above the target and you fade back
until you can see the whole thing and then you're back
in there. There's no real ...no real continuity..uh..
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and it's dark against white and that's all I
have. Ok. Front entrance of this....
#66' Now. While you're still in the aerial is it the
appropriate time to put in the tree lines that you
saw or should you do that from the front entrance of
the place or what you perceived was the entrance?
#10.5 No. I didn't really..uh..or did I. The only thing
I got ......
#66 .....out front.
#10.5 It was out front, see.
#66 Now, where is out front?
#10.5 Out front is.... here I'll write it with a big
question mark, ok. Um..out front is where I did
see it, but, I'll put it on there, ok.
#66 What's that? Indicate a tree.
#10.5 Indicate a tree line. Ok. There you go...trees.
But, none on the right. The left side of the
building was bigger and had something sticking off
of it to make it look totally different from the
right side of the building.
#66 Where is the actual entrance then, in the overview?
#10.5 What I call the entrance is here. What I call front.
#66 OK. Draw me an arrow. Write exactly where the
entrance is in that big building. The doors would
be kind of small compared to the building you've drawn.
#10.5 I can't tell you.
#66 OK. You don't know exactly......
#10.5 Don't know precisely where, because when I did get
out front I knew I was off centered. Whether this
is all the front or that's just a.... and the doors
are at the left end of it...I don't know. But,
that's what I'll draw at six.
#66 So you don't know, along that front side of the wall
where the door is?
#10.5 Not from this perspective, ok. That's what I'm
trying to get....let me draw you...
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#10,..5 Now, how do I go about getting ..... ok.... here for
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end of the wall because I never got up there. All right.
But, here.. .let me just give you my feelings....
Sidewalk.. .1 got the definite feeling ..... I'm going to
have to describe to you these vertical lines here.
These vertical lines were not pillars when I looked
at them from the front. I felt that they were pillars
carved into the front of the building. But, when I
got back inside the front door and looked out then I
had the feeling that there was, in fact, a little
porch there and that there were in fact, pillars on
this little porch, ok.
#66 Now, one time you perceived this to be a multi-story
building.
#10.5 Well, yeah. I'd say two-story. This is the extent
of the thing, and I had the feeling, or the general
drift of two rows of windows on the exterior side.
Instead of one row, you know, that type of thing.
All right, and the tree line is between the road and
the sidewalk. So, there's the road, now and I felt
that the tree line began.... pretty good solid size
trees.... tree line began here on the left of this
entrance and continued on..All right, and this is the
road. . .grass strip ..... and sidewalk. The left side
of the building ended off center to this place. The
right side of the building went way on down. But, I
do not know where the left side ended. I mean, what
it looks like around the corner, because I never got
away from just standing in front at the end of the
hall. So it could be the total end of the building or
it could be a little dog leg. It could be anything
back there. Ok. All right. Then, from six I went to
seven which was just back inside which was the big
light area at the end of the tunnel. All right.
That feeling was .....
/166 Oh.... In six I don' L see any doors or anything at Lhic>
entrance. Do you want to draw them?
#10.5 1 forgot about them.
466 Did you not see them there? Do you know what kind of
doors ther.
#10.5 I forgot about them. But, I think I forgot about them
because I just did not get the feeling for doors. It
was a little confusing at this point. I had
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I was looking at Lhese columns, you know, and I was
.trying to figure otrt. if they were carved into the
face of the building ur if they were really columns
and if there was a porch and then I just decided
to hell with it. I just went back inside, you know
because I was getting away from it. So I'm not
going to put any doors there.
#66 All right.
#10.5 All right. However,..uh..ok..that is the layout
of what I perceived. I'll say perceived to be the
front end of the building. The dark spot is a hall-
way entrance, ok.
#66 If I stood at the top of the steps in five .....
#10.5 in six...
#66 If I stood at the top of the steps in six and looked
in I would see what I am seeing. . .in seven?
#10.5 No. No, you would have to walk in and turn to your
right. This is this way down the building.
#66 Ok. I'm looking the long way down the building.
#10.5 Yeah ..... of six..... ok...now, how am I going to do
this thing. I'll have to do another sketch of the
front. This here, on the left side, is to sketch
number 1, 2, and 4. That's where I started from.
Eight is the same perspective but it is the front of
the building.. Now, if you walked in the front of the
building and turned around and looked out the entrance
way, this is what I was trying to tell you. All right.
How do I do this? You got the hallway, which is here.
(Mumbling) Ok. Now, on the other side of this place is
the other wall. This has got-center line.. .glass
doors. Now, you see, I am looking back out where I
couldn't see doors before. That's why I did not want
to Put any on the front. Some of them might be throwing
a curve at me that I don't want to screw it up. I'll
show it just like it was. I had a feeling of alot of
glass. That's what. made it so light and attractive
down there. Now, outside of this on the other side of
the glass, I had the feeling of the posts. You could
see them through the door, ok.
#66 - These are the pillars that you saw.
#10.5 The pillars, right. that I wasn't sure about outside.
I could see from the inside and that there was some
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sort of a little overhang. A little smooth narrow
porch at the head of the steps in sketch number six.
But, I was looking at it bass akwards. I don't know
why. Maybe it was some sort of defense mechanism
because you know all porches begin to look alike
after awhile. Let me get this right here. On the
left two doors you could see the pillars on the left
sides of the doors. That makes sense. There, like
that. These are glass, and it's a little shady out there.
There's a little porch... overhang out there. So, this
is number seven there, looking to the left. To the
right, I don't know what's there. That's even long.
That's what I saw. I saw one.... there.... that's
what I saw there, because I'm looking at them half..
you know... through the window. So...like looking..
if you stand in front of these quadruple doors...
you can see the inner-most post but you would have to
look back a little bit and look out through the windows
you could see the outer-most posts. Because the porch
is longer than just the doors ...it's a little bit
wider. Ok. That's what I am trying to say.
Now where to boss?
#66 Ok.. You had the guard leading this guy. Want to
tell me about that?
#10.5 OK. Returning to the scene of the original thing,
is what I am doing. That's when you asked me to
concentrate on him. Ok. When I first got there, it
was the same scene as number one and number 2. Then
I started to get some action and I made the point I
don't know if I'm drifting in time or not. I had
.....here's room...I'll just make it real rough.
Here's the foot of the beds .... as though I was standing
in the wall looking. Ok. And, I had.. .man. .short
sleeve, white, like a T-shirt.
#66 And, you perceived this to be the man beacon ...
#10.5 Yeah. I think this is the guy. Like he had been gotten
out of bed, if he had gotten out of bed-he'd been
gotten out of bed.. .arms much larger than body because
I'm such a lousy artist. Ok. Hands on head in baggy
loose fitting pants, also of light, ok..walking this
way. Just coming.... exiting the room to the left,
ok, with a guy behind him. Interesting thing, the guy
was holding it.... had long sleeves on-with a rifle.
I did not see it. I had .... the feeling of it more
than I saw it. He was walking like this with his... arms
carrying the rifle along level with his waist walking
behind ......
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#66 What is that called? In bayonet fighting isn't
that called the ready position?
#10.5 Yeah. I guess it is ready. I don't know
1166 The weapon is pointed forward, but it's not being
aimed.
#10.5 But, the weapon is in front of you in the ready
position. This was like it was in the ready
position and then brought back and it was being
carried along the waist, pointing forward, instead
of way out front. A ready position is like a port.
Right. Walking this way-behind him. He was leading
him out. These are the beds here on the left. That
is number nine.
#66 OK. Why don't you draw in ten an overview similar to
..I guess what you did in two and show me the route
that they took.
#10.5 OK. We got little room ..we got wall-we got beds..
beds along that corner..stuff piled up...not piled
up but shoved into that corner. The little thing here.
Then we have that fake thing-we have the doors..
something else here.. .and the hall goes that way and
the hall goes that way. Through here.. .had the feeling
windows on each side..ok..another set of double doors
which were open...no, no, they went through double
doors. I remember that. Now, they walked.... dotted
like, ok ..... dotted line from X, start point-I'll
draw arrows on it on occasion. Now, through this
double door..ok..now, now.. .because I just like got
half way into the place there is a wall here which is
just about on the same plane and there is something
that comes down here..protrudes..ok..a wall-this is
a wall on the right that breaks off to the right and
there's a flat wall on the left that had this curved
thing on it, ok. And, when I broke off..I started
to surface about the time...'cause I was moving and
was having difficulty following him... as I was fading
out of the system..or fading out of the thing ...I lost
him, right about there. I did not get any feeling of
going up and talking at this desk. They knew right
where they were going and they just sort of walked.
I had the feeling that they.would be going to the right.
The only reason I had that feeling is because they had
not taken the left which is, I think, there is a left
there, which is also building wall.
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#66 OK. At the end of" the dotted line, then is where
you lost them.
#10.5 Question mark. Further on I don't know. This is..
this low curvy type information desk idea. Low..
desk height, people sit behind it. People ask,
answer questions, people point in the right direction,
everything like that. I'll just label that, for
lack of a better term, reception desk. Question mark.
#66 Did you see anybody there?
#10.5 No. I didn't pick up any feeling of anyone sitting
there. I felt that that was a service .....
#66 . Ok. How about numbering this page, page ten.
#10.5 I'd better write "open". I had the distinct feeling
they were walking to the other wing when they went
.through these two sets of double doors. So I'm
going to write "open". I did not see open, but
there are windows. It's a closed in area and there's
windows of the same type as are described in that
room there. It gives you the idea they are exterior
windows. That was the feeling.
#66 So, as you walk down this hallway there's windows
to the left. You can see out into what you consider
to be open area.
#10.5 Right.
#66 I have no further questions about this. Is there
anything that you feel that you want to add?
#10.5 No. I already said the thing....definate impression
about hospital ward at the beginning. I did not
pick alot of activity or for anything like that. I
did not pick up what you would normally associate
with that kind of a place. But, it's an odd hour
there, too. You probably wouldn't want to bring in
one of your prisoners in for medical treatment in the
middle of the day. You probably sneak them in at night
stick them some place and guard them ...get your
doctor in and move.. .you know .... but
#66 You seem to feel he is in a medical place. Do you
perceive any medical problems with him?
#10.5 When I first got up I wanted to ask you if he had
heart trouble. But, I don't get the idea it's a
severe thing, like he had an attack. Like, he may
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have had a history of heart trouble. The first
time I have ever worked with him, right. He may have
had a history of (heart trouble, that this was a
routine thing that they were doing for....it wasn't
a special emergency. It was like a routine thing.
But, that he, coincidentally had heart trouble.
Ok.
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