REMOTE VIEWING SESSION CC17, VIEWER 24.5

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SUMMARY ANALYSIS
REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION CC17
1. (S) This report documents a Remote Viewing (RV) session
conducted in compliance with a request from SOD, J3, OjCS,
Pentacn, Washington, D.C. The purpose of the session was
to provide information relevant to the hostage situation in
the U.S. Embassy compound in Teheran, Iran.
2. (S) The remote viewer's impressions of the target are
provided as raw intelligence data and as such have not been
subjected to any intermediate analysis, evaluation or collation
Interpretation and use. of the information provided is the
responsibility of the -requestor.
3. (S) The protocol usedfor this session is detailed in the
document, Grill Flame Protocol, AMSAA Applied Remote Viewing
Protocol:(S), undated.
4. (S) Following is a transcript of the viewer's impressions.
during the remote viewing session. At TAB A are drawings Made
by the remote viewer reference his impressions of the target
site. At TAB B is target cueing information providedthe
remote viewer.
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TARGET CUING INFORMATION
REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION CC17
I. (S) The remote viewer had been exposed to open source
news media information prior to the session. The viewer
had not seen overhead imagery prior to the session. The
viewer knew he would be working against the hostage situation
in Iran and had viewed his target previously (see Session CC16).
2. (S) The following picture is the only information
provided to the viewer at the time of the session.
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TRANSCRIPT
REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION CC17
#66 This will be a remote viewing session (edited for
security).
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For the last few minutes, you've been examining
a picture of an individual. Focus your attention
now, once again, on that individual. Keeping in
mind that it is now in the middle of the night
in the target area. Focus your attention once again
on this individual and describe his location to me.
PAUSE
+07 424.5 Crazy uh...feeling of...uh...rather large room
466 What makes you say a crazy feeling?
424.5 it was...uh...like (mumbling) in the middle of some
public place that had a...uh...high ceiling and had
(mumbling) on each side and had a (mumbling) double
door on the far end of the room...set on the left
side. It was like I was in a government building
...uh,..state building or a religious building.
I had this feeling of shiny, polished marble floor
type thing.
466 Just relax and concentrate. Relax and concentrate.
That's good. That's good. Look at the target area
again. Look at the target area again and describe it
to me.
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466 That's good. Now tell me more about this building.
+09 #24,5 Feel...chandelier...like I'm looking up at....
I don't feel it's so rediculous as I ...I feel it's
...uh...government place...like a big reception hall
but it's startling bare inside. I had the feeling of
chandelier.
1566 Alright.
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#66 Move from this space, move from this space to the
actual area where the target individual is located.
Tell me about this area.
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+14 #66 What is your perception?
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#24.5 ...wall...room. I'm holding on to the wall by
I just get no resolution. I'm...uh...getting about
the same I !got before. Feeling of a doorway...light
stucco wall. Funniest thing about the walls though
it had a... like a false a rectangular bump in it
from ceiling to floor.. .but essentially the same way
out. I feel the door.. .1 feel a group of people.
I don't quite feel as many as I did before. Maybe
four or five but they're in the end of this pretty
+16 much.. .pretty much rectangle room. Pretty much
laying around....like before...
#66 Alright. How do I get to this room from the main
entrance way that you were in before? How do I get
to this room?
#24.5 I wanted to say...wait I'll go that way....
#66 Fine. We have plenty of time. Relax and concentrate.
PAUSE
+20 #24.5 Let. me work on that a minute.I'm trying to get there
more intensely. I can't break those chains. I (mumbling)
May be a ledge or shelf around the wall at the other
end where the guy sits at the table because I had the
feeling I was trying to get down to the floor and I
had the feeling I would hit something before I got to
the floor coming down the wall. Ok. Now for your
question.
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#24.5 Outside the room there appears to be some kind of a
corridor or hallway that goes in front of it and on
...just the other side of this hallway is a downstair
case. I'll go up the staircase.
PAUSE
#24.5 This staircase comes out on another hallway and it
comes out and under another staircase going up to
another floor but I still have very (mumbling)
feeling that now I 'm on first floor. I think on
my left appears to be a wall. Let me...I'm trying
to get down the hallway.
PAUSE
#24.5 I want to say... it feels that there's a line of
offices.. .cubicles or...uh...funny...uh...rooms on
the other side of the hall. But this staircase
is on one side of a dividing thing in the hall.
Like a partition that cuts the hall in half you see.
And has windows, like a partition, has a door and if
one was coming in one would have to go through there
would see up and down staircase on the left and it's
like a security area. Maybe, something that people
don't usually get past it. It's in the main part
of the building now, but outside of the...I have
feeling that that might be where I was before. That
the off-set door is the door through this panel that
cuts off the hallway and that where I was standing
before, I was in foyer or in a lobby. That panel has
windows in it but something.. .it's funny ...it's
Iwanted to say they're milky glass panels in the
thing. Milky glass panes.
That's it. I just pulled out of the hemisphere.
#66 Ok. That'll do it. You have been at this for quite a
while.
#24.5 I was almost there too.
466 I think you did a very good job of description. You had
your target acquisition portion of your session very
(mumbling)
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#24.5 First time on the number of people that...there
certainly...there's a humble, jumble casuality at
that corner of the room and it's hard to pick out
of it different....I just got the same thing back
#66. It didn't change that much on me.. .1 just
...still had the same feeling
I was playing the spider on the wall.
*66 I remember another session where it was very good
where you had trouble climbing up the wall.
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i24.5 Ok. I'll tell you what I saw first. Right off the
bat.
Something that looked like this, Ok. And there was
some funny square thing like this. I'm pretty sure.
There was something on each side of this. And the
darn thing blew my mind because when I popped in there
that's the first thing that I saw, and I felt just
like a dog-gone.. .you know like this...I felt this
kind of stuff on me...you see. And it was like I
was looking across this long ballroom, almost Of
course, the depth and everything could be off, but
I was very, very sure of these...this arch feelings
on the side. And I had the impressions of windows on
the side. Ok. Like almost stained glass windows,
but I don't know if it was the. . it was the nature
of the place. That could be analytical, you know.
But it was like . . . you know windows back in here.
You know, set back in, you know, like this is almost
a hall. What do I want to call it? I know what I
want to say. Its like . . . there. Is acually, you
see what I mean. That's actually the wall. You see.
That's the wall line there. You see what I mean.
Like that. See. And back here is the wall line.
See what I'm talking about.
overhang here with arches.
sides and these recessing.
actual wall, some windows.
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What else did I feel?
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Like a little bit of
This arch feeling on the
And somewhere back in the
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#24.5: That's about it. A door down there. An off-set
door.
#66: Then that's the door that you feel that you came
through.
#74.5: That I ultimately came back out of.
I don't know if I'm just wishful thinking and
trying to tie it all together or something but
I got this partition. When I got out in the hall
back here, when I. . . right at the end of the
session, when I got out in the hall and I said. .
And the first thing that popped into my mind was
'This is where I was.' Out there is where I was
when I started.
#66; Okay.
*24.5: And when I went through this partition and looked
back in I really.felt like where I was where I ended
up starting from. Okay.
#66: All right.
#24.5: Okay, here's something else that might be important.
Because remember I couldn't. . . I was saying it was
either a Government. . . It was a public place. It
was either a church . .
466: Okay.
#24.5: Like a cathedral and everything. Okay, I cleared and
just dropped back and relaxed. You told me to relax
and everything and the next thing that I saw was a
. . a bucket shaped chandelier. Okay.
PAUSE
Those lines are just for depth; that's not lines of the
thing. Okay, but I . . I . . that was a classic . . .
It was not solid. It was a classic ornate chandelier.
Hanging. . . from a ceiling type thing. You know,
with spangles on it and everything. It doesn't really
have any body to it. Its just all spangles. Just a
big cluster of spangles hanging. That's . . . that's
what I saw. You know, all glitter. These tear drop
shape things, these spangles hanging. . . all over it
and there's no real shape to it.
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#24.5: And I had the feeling that there may have been
two of these and that I was looking at one of
them and that the two of them might have hung down
the center line of that place.
#66: All right.
#24.5: Okay.
PAUSE
Okay. That was all for then. Going on to the next
one. Going back to find Holland. I ended up on the
side. . . I ended up on a place that was opposite
the door. I'll just call my shots as I see them.
Broken lead.
PAUSE
That's actually too high, but I . . ? ?
PAUSE
That's about right.
PAUSE
Staircase, okay, outside the door. I had the feeling
of the same. . . I tried to keep it, you know, to not
just automatically go back to where I was. But when I
. . . I felt that there might be some kind of a shelf
thing, maybe cabinets, but maybe a shelf around this
wall. I'll draw an overhead of it later. I had the
feeling that that thing was still there and I had the
feeling that there was a bunch, loose knit bunch of
four, five, six people down here against the wall again.
Okay.
Okay.
466: Um hm.
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*24.5: But the thing. . . Now before, if it is the same place
I was before, I was here and here looking this way and
this way. Now, this time when I entered the room,
I was on this wall looking right down at this door and
then looking down here. I never went down here this
time. I'm looking . . . I was in this other corner
of the room looking these ways. Okay. And . . .
the walls are essentiall\L blank. It doesn't seem
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like there's anything on the walls. It seems as
though they are just bare walls. Okay. I didn't
see any pictures, didn't see any frames, didn't see
any windows, didn't see any posters, didn't see any
ornamentation, didn't see a damn bloody thing. It
was just bare blank walls.
466: All right.
PAUSE
#24.5: What's that? Three. Okay. What do I want to do
this time. Okay, this time, I will. . I'll put it
all. What do I want to do now? Let me. . . Okay,
let me give you a floor sketch of the room again but
it shows. . . . only what I perceived this time through.
Okay. That there may be something here in this corner
of the room. That there is that there. And that there
are the people over here. And, stairs outside. Okay.
This is a cabinet "L". Or a shelf. Okay.
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Table with a man and he's still there. Okay.
And I don't have anything on this side of the room
because I was looking away from it. So, I don't
know about the windows or the other things or not.
The only reason I know about that is I tried to go
down the wall and I had the feeling that I was bumping
into it. You know, like my foot was going down into
this cabinet top. Or something. And about that time
I said the hell with it I'm not going all the way
down anyway and I just drifted out in front of the guy
this way over to the stairs. Okay.
466: Um hm.
424.5: Okay. Stairs. Stair view.
Oh, I'll put on this, I got here outside and I had
the feeling that it was a hallway. Of some length, you
know. It felt like it might be a hallway bigger than
this room. Okay. Okay.
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An up staircase. And that was an impression I had.
I mean this . . this is not something I layed over
after I got up there and saw what was there. This
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was standing outside the door and I looked that
way and I looked that way and it looked like the
hall went a distance on both sides. Its not like
I was by a wall here.
#66: Okay.
424.5: It only went . . . I think it went a distance both
ways.
#66: This is not a room at the end of the hall is what
you're saying.
#24.5: No. No. That's what I'm saying. That's the first
time I, you know, thought anything about where the
room was located. Its the first time I'd seen anything
outside the room except the staircase. The first time
I'd ever gone out to look. So I had the feeling that
the hallway went both ways. Still had the feeling of
a basement room though.
PAUSE
Did I have that feeling here? No, I didn't have that
feeling here. Okay. So I'm just calling it as I got
it. Okay, going up the staircase. . . Okay
PAUSE
Staircase here. I just drifted up those stairs.
That's when I really started to go. I really thought
I had . . . I really thought I could get there.
#66: Okay.
024.5: There is a table inside the room. Okay. This is the
hallway. I will call this target room. Okay. Up stair-
case. Now, I did not get, this is the interesting thing,
I did not get. . an interesting thing anyway, I did not
get any feeling for bannister work or anything like that
on this staircase. Okay. As I crossed the floor line,
on the next floor up, . . what do I want to draw this
thing here? . . . . Okay, down here is the room again.
You can see it down here in the corner.
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I felt that there was some kind of a bannister and
obviously to keep people from falling over. . . into
the hole of the stairwell. But there's no bannister
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down here, but there's something up here.
Of some sort. And, . . . that here in the background,
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is a . . . a row of offices or rooms of some
kind.
PAUSE
Okay. And this is the ceiling. Okay, hallway,
ceiling, like that. All right.
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#66: Number that Page 6 then.
#24.5: Oh, yes, that's Page 6.
#66: As you come up the stairs, this becomes then what you
perceived as the first floor of the building?
#24.5: Yeah, right, that's what I wanted to say. Is then,
here is when I had a feeling of position and here I
felt that I was coming up to the first floor and before
that I was just taking it as I got it and I didn't think
- I didn't know, I didn't even consider whether I was
in the basement or not. But then here, spontaneously
I felt like I was rising to the first floor. Okay.
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Okay. So Six then is the first floor hallway, stair-
casement and neighboring offices. Okay.
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Okay, I'm going to move to the left side of six and
give a shot to the right and try to draw this hallway
configuration that I perceived down there.
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What am I doing to these pencil leads? Must be a
little bit of PE or something.
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#24.5: Okay.
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Okay, here's what I was trying to get a hold of.
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These are the office cubicals along the left side
of the wall, okay. Okay, we have another up staircase
and this is the up staircase from basement. Okay,
where I just came out of.
#66: Okay.
#24.5: And that just goes on like that. This is a blank
wall as though I'm walking along. . . As though that's
maybe an exterior wall of the building. Okay. Nothing
on it. There's no. .What I'm trying to say is . . .
is there are no rooms, to my knowledge, there are no
rooms or cubicals farther along here to match the ones
on the other side. Its just . . .
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Does that make any sense there?
#66: Oh, okay.
#24.5: This is the bannister. This bannister here. Okay.
#66: Sure, I see.
#24.5: Okay, like that. This is the lip for the stiarway.
You fall down through there. That's just a black hole.
That's the stairwell. Okay, And here's a box of some
sort like wood. I had the feeling of a lot of wood
when I turned around - that this was a wood staircase
going up. Okay.
#66: Okay. Now where is this funny door that you said .
#24.5: That's this. Down at the end of the hall down here.
This thing here?
66: Yeah.
#24.5: This is what I perceived to be the partition. And here
are those milky white. . . I said that it was almost
as though there was . . . I had the feeling that this
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was a partition built across the hall to separate
two sections of it maybe. Okay. And that it had
. . . windo,;:.1 in it to look out and it had a door
in it to come through, okay, here on the right side.
And that it was something that was like - how do you
describe it? Had the flavor that . . . that it was
a restrictive type thing. That not many people would
come through this thing. And thoe that did would
have to come through this little door here to get
into this area and that outside was like a big lobby
in the waiting area. And when I came up here I just
spontaneously - I almost said well hell I'm looking
at the backside of that door I saw at the beginning.
That's the feeling I had.
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I'll label that a partition. Could be a wall, but
I'll label it a partition.
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Now in this. . in this area, in your exploring, coming
up the stairs, going down here, looking around this
area did you perceive any other people in the area?
#24.5: No.
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I did not.
Did not. I wasn't looking out for them. I was trying
to track . you know, just . . I wasn't. . . I wasn't
looking out for people like I had been before or like
I had been down in the room. I was like more interested
in just finding out where the hell I was. I was just
paying attention to the terrain and everything so I had
no feeling at all for people or activity in the build-
ing or anything.
I called this two milky windows. Because I just
had this, you know bathroom panes. You know how they
milk glass?
#66: Frosted glass?
#24.5: Frosted glass so you can't see into it.
Well not frosted. It was like... .white milk. I had the
feeling I was looking through a thin layer of white.
Opaque. But you could still see throu,n it a little bit.
You could see light through it but you could not see
figures through it , so much. What's the best description
for it? It was more milky than frosted. I don't know
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maybe you mean milky when you say frosted. But
to me frosted glass is like the gallosy windows
they have in Florida. In which, it's clear, it has
no color but the inside of it is messed up so that
it doesn't directly transmit light through but this
was not clear, this had a color and it was a white
color. Like the shelves you find in a medicine cabinet
sometimes. Instead of a clear shelf you'll find a white
shelf, light glass shelf.
#66 Number that page then.
404.5 Oh, yeah. That's seven. I'm sorry. Ok. Then I
felt.. .now I didn't get way out into.., if it was
the ballroom, I didn't get way out into it, but
I had the distinct...going into had the distinct
impression that I had returned to that big ballroom
type thing of number one. Number one.
#66 So if you go through the door in seven you'll come
out into the area in number one.
#24.5 I was much closer to it this time, though. Instead
of being out in the middle of this lobby area, I
was closer to the door of number one and the view
was more like...you know I had almost the feeling as
though I might have been at what might be a check point.
Like a security area checkpoint. That's how artificial
this partition across this thing felt. I tried not
to turn it into that, but that was the feeling I got.
I got this flavor it was a
and they revealed who they
through. Most people did
Most people waited around
The glass was designed so
who was coming up and who
milky, but that is what I
place where people came up
were and then they went
not get through the door.
outside in this bigger area.
that the people could see
wasn't. Even though it was
saw. I had the feeling that
somehow this glass was allowed to
and everything.
see out and see in
There it is. That's all I got.
#66 Are you going to draw anymore?
#24.5 That's about all I can do with a door and two windows.
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466 Again. Any personnel associated with this particular
controlled door that you are talking about?
424.5 No. None there. But I had the feeling like
usually there was somebody there...or normally there
might be somebody there...but because of some wierdness
there is nobody there now. Either because the whole
place is closed up, locked up, it's a wierd hour of
the night, any number of reasons. But I did not see
anyone there. But I had thi:J feeling that it was a
place that narrow passaged down so that people could
be looked at before they went on farther on that
hall this way that's in sketch seven.
Before they came through the door they'd be looked
at and come down the hallway, go upstairs, go downstairs,
or go in one of these little cubicles.
466 I want to call your attention back to the beginning
of the session when you were standing in the area
that you've now referred to as the ballroom. That
you've represented in drawing number one. And your
comments about the function of the building itself.
#24.5 I said that I felt that I was in some kind of an
official place.. .public place like maybe
govetnmental, maybe I said official....or a cathedral
466 Ok. Now, in recapturing those concepts what was the
? raw data imput that led you to make those statements?
424.5 The raw data imput was the largeness of the perceived
largeness of the room...extraordinary size...a higher
ceiling than I felt would be in a regular business.
The arch configurations along both sides and the highly
....I felt like it was a highly buffed and polished
terrazo or marble floor... .1 had the feeling I was
standing in a place that was really cool. Very special
...I felt the smoothness of this floor which was really
neat. It was light colored. I thought it might be
either marble or terrazo. Highly polished. Reflective
special floor.
Those are the things that made me say that. But. The
other thing that made me say that was the perceived
absence furniture. I did not see the things I would
normally associate with anything like that.
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Likewise I perceived no pews. So it wasn't like
you would expect to have in a cathedral. Similarly,
I perceived no sofas or chairs or anything like that
you would expect to see in a big waiting room. Wierd.
Is there anything you'd like to add, then, in the
flavor of this session.
P4.5 I think I was in the place I was in my first session
today. And, I think that where I was just inside
that front door.. .the front of the building with the
curved out steps that it was. Possibly, some official
formal area of government building. Something like that.
I really felt that I was back in the same place. Even
though I tried not to automatically make it that.
I tried to just keep my perception.
#66 Any other comments? how do you feel about the quality
of the viewing itself based on your experience?
#24.5 I feel that this one was better than the first one.
I seemed to have more continuity of focus. You let me
go more at my own pace. Even though it meant taking
fifteen minutes to get up the staircase. That type
of thing. I was able to keep the continuity of the
focus all the way through it. The perception of that
first floor landing there when I came out of that
staircase was a really intense perception. I really
feel good about that. I feel more satisfied with this
one than the early one this afternoon.
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