INSCOM GRILL FLAME PROGRAM SESSION REPORT

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GRILL FLAME
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SESSION REPORT
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SUMMARY ANALYSIS
REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION DCC-83
1. (S/NOFORN) This report documents a remote viewing session conducted in
compliance with a request for information.
2. (S/NOFORN) .The remote viewer's impressions of the target are provided
as raw intelligence data, and as such, have not been subjected to any
intermediate analysis, evaluation or collation. Interpretation, and use of
the information provided is the responsibility of the requestor.
3. (S/NOFORN) The protocol used for this session is detailed in the document
Grill Flame Protocol, AMSAA Applied Remote Viewing Protocol (S),. undated.
4. (S/NOFORN) Following is a transcript of the viewer's impressions during
the remote viewing session. At TAB A are drawings made by the remote viewer
reference his impressions of the_target site. At TAB B is target cuing
information provided the remote viewer.
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REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION DCC-83
#14: This will be a remote viewing session for 30 June 1981.
Mission time is 0930 hours.
All right #01, this will be a pre-mission brief. Basically
the first part of our mission is to determine if those
vehicles portrayed in the photo and the one On the drawing,
if they are one and the same. Uh, another part of the mission
is specific interest in this dish, in this box. Is that an
accurate portrayal of that particular system? And further
requirements will come down as we get into the session.
Any questions?
#01: Uh-uh.
#14: Okay.
0930 All right #01, the time is now 0930. I'd like you now to
compare the drawing of a vehicle with the photo of some
vehicles and tell me are these two the same?...
#01: Just a minute Okay, there's some, uh, differences
in the vehicles in the photo... They're, uh, their armament's
different, different kind of rocket... Some of the crew
members are different. There's, uh, more crew members with
the photo vehicle,. Tryin' to find some hardware differences
and I'm..I'm finding a great deal. Think the, uh, vehicle's
essentially the same, only the, the dish is larger... Dish
is larger in the photo than on the, uh, the drawing. And I
don't see the, uh, the box where it is in the drawing. It's,
uh, apparently in an integral portion of the back of the dish..
mounted more to the center. There's like a piece of flashing
over it?metallic plating of some kind....
#14: Is there any connection between the box and the dish?
#01: Yeah, they're fastened together. There's a...just a minute....
Dish actually plugs in and is, uh..bolted right to the facing
of this box unit... Get like a, uh, short section of internal
cable with a, uh, six prong plug.... Has a, apparently a, not
a very complex guidance system of some kind. Extreme high
frequency emitter It's, uh, it's got like,a, uh...just a
minute... I keep wanting to, uh, call it a ground to air role
but it's not. It's a, uh, ground to ground targeting device.
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#14: What is it that gives you that impression?
#01: I see the dish employed in the line of site, just shy of over
the horizon.
#14: Okay, before you go in too far could you perhaps explain a
little bit more what you mean by a very simplistic, uh, apparatus
as far as the dish and the box are concerned.
#01: Okay, I see a, uh, like a partitioned sectioning in the box..
with the front section that's partitioned out as an emitter,
+40 high frequency emitter. Has a receiver section that's very
small. Appears to be at uh, very simplistic logic .section of
some kind. And that!s all that's there. There's a...some kind
of.a, it's like an override of some_kind, it's got a external
plug or connector..that will, uh, override the, uh, the logic
section so these can be treed together like, uh, for one purpose.
Like a row of launchers can be parked side by side and all
directed from a singular command module...
#14: What type of information does the dish radar provide to the
crew?
#01: Okay, just a minute.... I get an impression of uh...get an
impression of armor silhouettes at, uh, extreme distance, just
shy of, uh, over the horizon. Like for bad weather..like ground
impressions. I'm just getting like a, uh, picture of an oval or
round screen with a dye-on green line, and then like splotches on
the line. Just blocked areas on the line.
#14: How many crew members operate this vehicle?
+45 #01: Uh, it can be operated with four, but there's a fifth..a fifth
man. I think he's probably the, uh, the commander, the unit
commander. Four basic operators... It's like a, uh, sort of a
storage bin inside the vehicle for additional rockets as well.
Appear to be laid in horizontally or width-wise.
#14: Do you perceive any other systems for targeting, for fire control
and so on within this vehicle?
#01: Just a minute.
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The, uh...I get a...like a feeling for some kind of an IF type
device on an upgraded form of rocket. It's like a terminal
homing device of some kind. I think it's IR but I'm not sure.
I'm getting an impression of, uh, like a..like a.gyro type cone.
I think it's in one of the rocket types, rockets.
#14: Other than the rocket, focusing on the vehicle itself, focusing
on the vehicle itself, is there another type of guidance system?
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#01: Just the, uh..the standard kind of, uh...I don't know what to
call it- periscopic type aiming device. Like what's, uh, standard
type physical siting. Looks like it's in some form of a periscope
or goes through some oblique type lens. Get an impression of
stepped hairs on a vertical line that give indications of distance.
+50 Then a, uh, bar type horizontal line.with markers indicating, uh,
angle. This rotates approximately 30 degrees left and right...
I don't see any other kind of aiming devices. It has no, uh,
no direct tie-in to the, uh, the box and dish.
#14: As if it were separate?
#01: Apparently it's completely separate,.other than, uh, I think it's
used for aligning basic acceptance perimeters to the..so that
the addition on that can be used. But it can also be used as
separate .. .. I don't see any other aiming devices. It's all
just a Very rugged system..
#14: Focusing back on the high frequency emitter- do you have any
perception of the frequency of this emitter?...
+55 #01: Keep getting 40. I don't know if that's gigahertz or..how many
thousands, but it's four-zero something. Extremely high...
I get like a, uh, possibly three different operating frequencies.
And their optimum operating frequency is four-zero. And then,
uh, I get like a three-seven and a three-five..like 40 gigs and
35 and then 37. Didn't get alternate frequencies.. I get a
feel for more power than is necessary as well. I don't.....
It's like this thing is overpowered for some reason...
#14: All right #01, I just have one final question on it. I would
like you to move to a point where this piece of equipment is
operational and they're using it in a test mode perhaps, they're
actually firing it. Describe how this vehicle's utilized...
+60 #01: I got like a, uh, get the feeling I'm somewhere in East Germany.
I got a, uhl shallow valley, and there's a number of these
vehicles parked at the end of the valley erre bluff. They're
oriented down to the back side of the valley. The launcher is
like extended upward, but horizontal to the ground. And it's
used to, uh, to launch against, uh, just to launch against armor.
Getting a confusing feeling here. I'm not like getting a feeling
for singular armored vehicles. I'm getting a feeling for numbers
of armored vehicles. And I don't, uh...it's an anti-armor type
weapon.
#14: Okay. I have no further questions. Well pause at this time.
#01: Okay, for_debriefing here. The, uh, page one is_a, uh, group
of three views of the launcher. First view, or view A is a
side view, and .B is the top view,_and C is the end view looking
from the front. Call it the end view front. Uh, the dish is
somewhat larger than what was in the drawing. And it actually
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#01: affixes right to the front of the box. There apparently is
like .a stacking of two box units there. But the top box is
primarily the radar. The bottom box is a power unit, what I
perceive to be like a power unit. Something to do with motors.
The, uh, dotted line that I put, OT the dotted line in the- or
the dotted box that I put on the launcher that I wrote "there
is no box here" is in the drawing. Okay. That's where I per-
ceive the drawing to depict the box. And that's totally wrong.
Page two_is the ocular or periscopic type aiming device. I have
a front View A, and a side view B. And C is like what you per-
ceive with your eye when you look through the eyepiece. And
what it is, it's a circle oblique that kind of rotates around
as you move your eye over a plate.. And the plate has got cross-
hairs with indicators of distance and ami&, But superimposed
over that is like a box, some kind of a box. And I perceive
that to be like minimal type aiming. perimeters. Like as if in
order to use the radar you have to be within those perimeters,
or this is .a minimum distance type of thing, you know, that you
can't operate at less than..that kind of thing.
#14: Where did you perceive that thing on the vehicle from the- like
on the outside?
#01: On the outside? Dead, smack center front. I mean, if you drew
a hair dividing the vehicle, if you looked at the Vehicle from
the front and split it straight down the center this would be
dead center front. You know, up as high on the vehicle as you
can go, but dead center front..
Page three As a view of the radar display that goes with the
radar box and dish on page one. Basically it's a split screen,
bottom half is a light green haze, top half is dark Very
deep green line goes all the way across. And then there's some,
whet appear to be some form of radials going out from the center.
And the targets in the screen appear to be blotches, just blotches
of some sort. Almost like noise splatter or something. And
that's it, unless you got any more questions.
#14: I can't think of any.
#01: I kept tryin' to think of, you know...how this thing targets.
And I just don't get a..I keep tryin' to put the, you know,
the cross hairs on the enemy tank, so to speak, and I just can't
get that. I get columns of tanks, or armor, and I just get,
you know, just the general pointing of this thing. So there's
either a smart rocket that it uses that seeks out it's own
target, or it's a general purpose type thing that just goes for
a kill area versus a kill item type thing, 'cause of the type of
employment or warhead or what-not. That's all I got.
#14: Very good. End of session.
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TARGET CUING INFORMATION
REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION DCC-83
1. (S/NOFORN) . Prior to this session the remote viewer was shown the attached
sketch and photograph of similar vehicles.
2. (S/NOFORN) During the session the remote viewer was asked if the vehicle
in the sketch and the vehicles in the photograph were identical. He was then
asked to describe the guidance/tracking systems in detail.
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