INSCOM GRILL FLAME PROGRAM SESSION REPORT

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INSCOM
GRILL FLAME
PROGRAM
SESSION REPORT
CLASSIFIED BY :MSG ,DAMI?ISH
DATED: 051630ZJUL78
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SUMMARY ANALYSIS
REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION DCC-41
1. (S/NOFORN) This report documents a remote viewing session conducted in
compliance with a request for information on a target area of interest.
2. (S/NOFORN) The remote viewer's impressions of the target are provided
as raw intelligence data, and as such, have not been subjected to any
intermediate analysis, evaluation or collation. Interpretation and use of
the information provided is the responsibility of the requestor.
3. (S/NOFORN) The protocol used for this session is detailed in the document
Grill Flame Protocol, AMSAA Applied Remote Viewing Protocol (S), undated.
4. (S/NOFORN) Following is a transcript of the viewer's impressions during
the remote viewing session. At TAB A are drawings made by the remote viewer
reference his impressions of the target site. At TAB B is target cuing
information provided the remote viewer.
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REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION DCC-41
This will be a remote viewing session for 1130 hours,
6 May 1981.
This will be a 're-session briefing to the remote viewer.
SG1A
#31:
I see it.
SG1A
#66:
#31:
Right.
#66:
We want to go right to that pass.
#31:
Okay.
#66:
SG1A
Okay, the time Sequence will be now, today. Okay? And
daylight hours if you like, SG1A
Daytime hours today, wanna know today.
We're going to have you describe the path. As you see on
the map it's a dotted line. What we need to know is the
condition of that. How large is it? What kind of a pass-
age is it? So I'll ask you for an accurate sketch of that.
After the look at it in today's window, we will then open
up a 30 day window and examine the activity of interest to
the intelligence community in a 30 day time window.
#31: Okay.
#66: Do you have any particular questions then before we start
the session?
#31: No.
#66: All right. You now have 25 minutes to prepare yourself.
So that I won't have trouble pronouncing this word my target
information to you at the beginning of the session will be
describe the target pass which I have indicated to you on
the map.
#31: Okay.
#66: I won't have trouble pronouncing these words then. The tar-
get pass then.
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1130 #66: Relax and concentrate now. Relax now and focus your
attention on the target pass indicated to you on the
map, which I have shown you. Focus on the target pass,..
and describe the pass to me
#31: I'm getting a...large granite type boulders with..off on the
right... Man sized, body size, bigger, humble-jumble.,
like a moon scape... (Mumble)..I see the, uh..uh...the,
uh, right side is sorta sloping up to the mountain. The top
with the left side seems to be more...the word escarpment came
into mind. Like a flat top mountain on the left. And the
trail through is, uh..around the foot of the, uh, flat top
mountain. The road is offset on the flat top side. .to the
flat top side It's a pved road, about, uh...it's
+05 tar, and it's about three inches thick. The tar, uh..lays
in a thick blanket and it's about, uh...I wanna say like 20
feet wide.
And I have a feeling of, uh..lorries, uh..coming up the hill..
+07 Occasionally the traffic is all toward the way I'm looking.
Towards me, the way I'm looking.. The feeling of a..infre-
quent, uh, right now infrequent, uh, ramshackle blunt nosed
military lorries. Like one or two a day is
#66: Tell me some more about this traffic
+08 #31: They...back of the, uh, trucks are, uh, open and they have
poles that stick up. You can see in between the sideboards
and the poles... They're light truck, like a ton and a half.
They appear only to have a single wheel in the back.
Almost..another feeling I had was like, uh, the way they..a
+09 truck becomes a taxi in a backwards country that's piled high
with people.
#66: Describe these people to me.
#31: Well, I'm getting two different feelings. One like there is
sporadic, uh...civilian use of the pass, but the trucks I
see are all the same. Civilians have..dressed in like sack
cloth, heavy burlap sacking,
#66: I understand. You call them civilians because of their
dress?
#31: Yeah. They're heavy gray sack cloth capes..capes on the top
and a baggy, uh, baggy between the legs, like it's a robe
that's like caught up OT something. And semetimeB baggy
pants.
#66: All right.
#31: Feeling of sandals, weathered, hard-calloused feet. Very, uh,
very hard and calloused feet, brutally calloused. Hard,
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#31: they're almost like leather soles on the man's feet.
But then my other feeling is seeing an occasional like..
vehiCle patrol is..troops in the back. The troops wear a
sandy brown uniform?khakibrown uniform. Where the truck
with the feeling is civilians is like hUmble-jumble, ram-
shackle feeling. Not ramshackle truck but this undisciplined
splaying arms and legs andrabblegoes by. But the other
feeling is one of quiet, small number, not a patrol. I'm
trying to recall my memory. The feeling was .a small replace-
ment for a outpost or a detachment in the truck. And there
were two of those..two trucks. Uh, an outpost replacement
crew or something like that. Not a motorized patrol, but
rather a replacement.
#66: All right.
#31: And I don't know if they were, they musta been military, but
there was this more quiet, sedate, disciplined, and they were
all sitting down in the back of a truck...along the walls in
+13 a regUlar army fashion like. Pull-down benches or something.
#66: Okay, I would like to asks particular question now... I'd
like to see if new imagery develops based on guidance here.
So listen carefully now, and see if any new imagery comes to
mind. Focusing now on the target pass, focusing solely and
completely on the target pass, expand your time window to a
30 day period, expand your time window to a 30 day period,
and scan through time for activity of critical interest to
+15 the intelligence mission.
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#31: Feeling of a...the, uh, the feeling of the sneakiness of a
group of tanks that have gone by. Sneakiness, like...I saw
a tank right at the very beginning when you started to talk
and it was like lone. But..cOnsidering 30 days I think it's
already happened and the happening is a string of tanks about,
I don't know if it's repetitive, but at least one string of
five tanks seems to have already gone over the pass and their
movement over the pass was sneaky, it was surreptitious, un-
announced and nobody talks about it. They snuck out front..
they snuck out front through the pass. Going on the right
from the right side to the left side on the map. I get the
feeling they're gone from, uh, the Chinese side to the Af-
ghanistani side. In that direction. I think that the way
I'm looking is I'm looking back towards the Chinese side.
That appears to be my...direction of view, with the escarp-
ment on the left and the regular mountain on the right.
#66: Okay.
#31: The..I don't- I can't get any resolution on what kind or what
type, but this feeling of low, dark, menacing tanking, tank,
clank, clank, clanking.like they snuck over- I think that's
the main thing is that they snuck over and are already through,
in like forward positions and now they're just hidden over
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#31: there. They're not doing anything. They're just hidden
over there. They're sort of like, um, for safety's sake
we'll put a couple out there and sneak 'em in
#66: Describe the condition of the tannks to me...
#31: They were, um.. Condition of the tanks. They were, uh..
older, they were used..used. They weren't like brand new,
but they were, uh, well-maintained. Like they were advance
guard of a crack, uh, armored unit or something. They had
their act together. They, uh, but they were like maybe 10 or
15 year old equipment...
+20 #66: Describe the personnel associated with the tanks
#31: He wears a...I'm getting this., uh, wide-faced, uh, Oriental
face. Deep, uh, complexion. Oriental face. The fbeing of
a..some blockey kind. of headdress on him. But I guess that
a..I guess that's his earphones OT something. I see this
guy, he's obviously Oriental, but Mongol, but if he wears-
I know what you want and I'm lookin' for. Feeling I had was
a-
#66: That's fine. Just relax and concentrate. Maybe you can take
a look at several of the personnel. Just relax. I will wait
for the information
#31: I get this dar, uh, brown uniform. My first flash was jack
boots, dark brown uniform, and Sam Brown belt. The brown is
darker than the brown khaki..of our TIAlle. It's darker than
that. Almost earthen brown
Um, another flash I got was because of the altitude. It is
cold, and there is a cold weather gear and I felt the, uh,
the padded, uh, quilt jacket type feeling of the Chinese.
And a heavy furry thing of a..a winter cap........
#66: Okay. Now, looking at your 30 day time window you have ex-
plained you've seen some activity on this pass concerning
tanks. You expressed an impression that this was in the past.
#31: It's about seven days ago.... I'd say seven to ten days ago,
+26 #66: All right. Describe the present location of the tanks, the
present location of the tanks.
#31: They are, um, on the map I'm about a half inch down and to the
right of the pass matker. On the ground I am, uh, feeling of
where they are, where I am now is I'm down maybe 15 miles
below the pass. I'm down out of the mountain, but I'm guard-
ing the reaches to the mountain, to my back are the mountain.
And the road..I had this shot of them lagerred in, dug in, uh,
feeling that they were dug in and in a defensive position.
This feeling that the purpose was to protect that pass, or be
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#31: a trip wire to the pass. And that they were out there
about 10 or 15 miles out from the pass. I'm tryin' to get
a gOod focus on where they are. I have this feeling of
spreadoutedness and straddling a road and everything, but
I can't tell if they're..still a sage brush area, the high
alp- uh, I'm still getting a high, above tree line barren-
ness rocky.. No, it's not trees like our mountains are nice
and beautiful, this is very scraggly and tugged, barren.
These, uh, guys are, um, in a..had them in hasty positions
that they're upgrading constantly, 'cause I see a guy outside.
He's digging and picking shoveling, preparing the berm in
front of his vehicle. So they're slowly, methodically dig-
ging in, but they're started out in hasty positions....
The road, uh, looks like, the road goes down a path and makes
one really massive major switchback. It does a 180 almost
and goes way back and then it does another 180 and goes way
down. And it seems that they're below that maybe four or
five miles and that switchback might be another intermediate
mountain, but lower than the pass. I had the feeling that a
switchback might be a second mountain in the way. But that's
the major Switchback. I'm not talkin' about the little Shit.
#66: Take a look at the road surface again and describe it to me.
#31: Well, I never had a road here. They are astride the road, but
there's no road. If that's what you mean. There's- I hadn't
realized it but there's no road here, but there is a road-
they are astride the road, like it's a gravel track now. Uh,
I think it's a defined place. But it doesn't seem to be..
they are like on the- oh, how do you call it? They're like
out on the frontier. The road has given out and now there's
nothin' but dirt and gravel track. It's cleared and it's
graded and it's maintained by work gang, but I don't get
that feeling of a three inch thick heavy asphalt formal road
that I had before.
#66: Go on, follow the road back to the pass and see if it stays
the same or changes. Follow it right on back. See what
happens.
#31: Well I do, I get the feeling that it changes somewhere, um...
Had this really weird feeling that somewhere in between is
a high bridge. Somewhere along the road maybe between the
+32 pass and where these people are. I had this feeling of look-
ing up at a, uh, some sort of a key bridge or structure on
the road surface. Not a trestle, but like a railroad type
structure bridge. Some deep..narrow, but very deep cleft
type thing..that a bridge spanned of maybe 65, or /0 feet. The
feeling was that that's where the road turned back into tar.
Or that, depending on the way you looked at it, that's where
the tar ran out was on the other- on the outside, the outer
side, the away side of that bridge.
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#66: Okay. Now I have no further questions about the target
area, but I would like to provide you a few minutes now to
comment on your own, as you examine the target.
PAUSE
+35 #31: The feeling of the vehicUlar soldiers were not carrying
weapons. Possibility they area rotation crew
The terrain is all essentially the same out here, it's hard
to tell where you are... All looks the same..
PAUSE
The tanks came from a place..on the east side of the mountains,
just before the main north,-south toad. There's a kaserne in
there..just before that city-1 at the intersection. I'll show
you on the map later. The feeling is that the kaserne is on
the north side of the raod.. That's about all I'm gettin'.
#66: Okay. As you focus your attention back now on my voice in
the room in present time, remember clearly, cleanly and pre-
cisely everything yOuHhave seen, and let's prepare to draw now
to draw those images which you have had.
#31: Okay, Narration of the sketches. Of sketch one is my target
acquisition imagery. A very cluttered and jumbled pass, the
right side is a regular mountain. Regular I mean it's barren
but it's rounded, you know. The left Side I had this feeling
of sheer cliff wall type escarpment, something flat topped,
flat top mountain on the left. The whole pass is cluttered
with huge garbage boulders, that have been bleared aside to
make the road. I mean they are big as boulders. You know,
itls not pebbles. These are 20 tone boulders and 5 ton bould-
ers and stuff that's just strewn haphazardly throughout the
whole path.
All the traffic movement is from the distance in sketch one
into the foreground. Which I perceiv in- having later looked
at an aerial map as being China in the distance and Afghanistan
in the, towards the foreground, in the direction of the fore-
ground. The direction of movement is into Afghanistan. Okay.
The whole pass is about a quarter of a Mile across. Uh, the
movement, when -I first got there, uh, after I had sorta des-
cribed the pass and had gotten the description of the pass
areal then I suddenly got the feeling of some sporadic and ran-
dom.vehicular movement. Some of civilian. Open, rear end,
half ton truck type thing with a bunch helter skelter type, uh,
civilian 'dressed burlap type country peasant with Jesus Chri-
uh, Chr- you know, Jesus sneakers and all that kinda stuff.
And, uh, then I aorta got a a repetition that two trucks went
by..maybe two more trucks went by. But these trucks were
more militarized. They were, they looked essentially the
same as the truck in sketch two, but instead of having this
haphazard jumble of civilians, they had more disciplined peo-
ple all wearing the same light tan..people in the back were
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#31: wearing like uniformed light tan clothing, uh, and I mention
now that I did not see any weapons with them. Like GI's
riding in a deuce and a half always carry their rifles between
their legs, and they have heavy equipment on and everything.
It wasn't like that. It was as though this was where they
were going had all that stuff possibly and they were just- the
bodies were being rotated or something. And they were going
out to assume equipment in place or something like a watch
tower or watch crew or forward, fortification or something.
And there were like two of those trucks that went by. And
this was about the time, I presume this was real time now
activity. Which makes it about midnight there, I guess, or
two in the morning. Anyway...
Uhl then you asked me to open to the time window of 30 days
and I had the feeling, as soon as you started talking, I had
this feeling that I was watching a tank come up the road in
the same direction of movement. Some low squat, very lethal
and intimidating piece of equipment. You know, sneaking up
the road. Maybe even under cover of darkness or something.
And when I like looked and, looked in the greater extent at
that input I had the feeling of a string of them, not a div-
ision or a brigade size string, but like a armored platoon
sneaking up over the pass and going down on the other side. And
this feeling of surreptitious passage, um, and- what do you
want to call it? And going down into Injun country in order to
ferret out the enemy ahead of time. Scouting, being a trip
wire, being an advance guard feeling, uh, started coming
through at the same time. Uh, but not that this 'was unusual.
You know, not like this was the first patrol, but that maybe
this was a somewhat rout- like oh boy, we gotta go out there
again type situation. That they do that on occasion, or have
had to do that on occasion before.
#66: When did all this perceived tank movement take place?
#31: That was, uh, I was looking at a time line, or just a line
that was supposed, tome, to mean 30 days and the middle of
it was today and to the left is past and to the right is future.
And where the, where I felt this time was occurring was some-
where around the left middle, middle of the left half, which
would be about like seven days in the past. And it was like
a little bit beyond that but not all the way to the end, be-
tween seven and ten days in the past is when that occurred.
When the tanks went over.
All right. Sketch three is my interpretation. I don't believe
that the map that's provided has very good resolution in it and
I think that there's some considerably more accurate, uh, not
more accuratel but more available geographic data- that's ob-
vious, talk about stupid things to say. But anyway, coming
from China to Afghanistan from the pass you go through the
pass area and some distance of kilometers into or towards Afgan-
towards the bad guys area there is a gorge of some kind. Some
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#31: sort of a steep cliff, cleft, which is traversed by a trestle
type bridge for vehicles, not for trains, trestle type
bridge, shown in sketch four. As you come further into
Afghanistan then, or towards Afghan-. I don't know if you're
in it or not- as you go further towards Afghanistan- oh, that
bridge marks the end of the paved road where they've laid
the all-weather surface. On the Afghanistani side of that
bridge is where the gravel_road starts. Then the road comes
into some sort of an intervening mountain, it's all not nice
gentle down into the valley like this damn thing shows, this
map here_shows that it's all nice and flat. There's_some sort
of intervening mountain or hillside which causes the road to
take a very significant switchback. Okay? Does 180 back and
then it winds up around something, I don't know. I think it's
a mountain and winds back around and then goes, proceeds on
down that mountain and down into the valley, or into leveler
ground. It's still decending ground. I'm not saying it's
on the valley floor. It's on its way down towards the valley.
And below that intervening mountain is where the armored ve-
hicles were located, along the dirt road. And they were like
spread out in a fan so that they straddled the road, and I
saw them building, they were upgrading hasty positions, is.
what they were doing.
And the only other thing I can think of that might help locate
these guys is that looking at it from their perspective, look-
ing into Afghanistan, there are three on the left side of the
road and two more on the right side of the road. And that the
left hand tank is virtually within 50 or 75 yards of a very,
very steep hillside itself, so that it's virtually- its left
flank is protected. Nobody could approach it from the left
because it's a mountain top, or a mountain side again, see.
And so its- that's the only thing I can remember is that if
there's a, if there's another reverse steep slope there look
down in the cracks in the valleys in between these mountains
and you might see the hasty position of these tanks. That's
the only thing I- it canalizes that tanks interest down the
road. It does not have to worry about its left flank. Thatb
covered by physical ob- by geographical obstacle.
Okay, and like I said sketch four is a...the trestle type,
feeling of the trestle type bridge. Okay? All right . Uh,
that takes care of that. And then I guess attached to the
report now will be a Xerox copy of the map you used to target
me. And I've located on that- I went up to a higher altitude
and tried to reconstruct the map and I- that's to find out
where these tanks were, where the heck I was. Very spontaneously
I had the feeling that the origin of the tanks was from
somewhere, I'm not even gonna try to pronounce it, to the
east of the - I guess it's the east of the pass, on the east
side of Mingteke, where I've marked it in red, A large fort-
installation there. Division level, brigade or- armored
brigade or armored division level. I won't say that. Yes, as
a matter of fact, I believe it's, I believe it is armored.
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#31: I didn't see, have the feeling it W8S ground troop and mixed.
I had the feeling it was tank. I don't know why, but..uh,
that's the installation there. And that they had proceeded
over the pass and down, down mountain far enough to be in the
place where I've marked tank position. I have no idea what
this scale is. But I had the feeling if there is a distance
involved that it is 10 or 15 miles, probably 15 miles over the
pass and down towards the valley. Okay?
#66: Okay. So how do you feel about these perceptions in this
session.
#31: Well, I feel very good about the traffic being only one dir-
ection. I feel very good about the paved road idea by the
pass site, uh, and I feel very- my acquisition data really
very, very solid. It all seemed to fall into place without
much concentration. Uh, the movement, uh, the distance from
the pass, the tanks- I don't know. Everything seems pretty
damn good. Uh, if I had to say the weakest part of it is the
idea of, uh-, where the paved road turns to gravel road because
I was in search of a obvious there. You know, I had already
said that where the tanks were was gravel and you sent me back
up to find out where- so I was like answering a specific ques-
tion there. That's maybe a little if-y.
#66: You said that the-
#31: The existence of the railroad trestle type bridge was very spon-
taneous. That was while I was trying to go back up towards
the pass, I got this spontaneous imagery.
#66: You had said that much of the terrain looks so similar you had
difficulty locating yourself.
#31: Oh, yeah. It's all above tree line, high, arid desert, essen-
tially. It's high desert, mountain, gravel, rocky, grungy.
#66: Okay. Are there any other comments that you have?
#31: No. Okay, we turned it off but I just realized that I had
talked about some guy who was Mongol, Mongol in facial charac-
ter and I think he was like possibly the platoon leader of
the tanks. Definite feeling that these were Chinese and these
weren't Russians going towards China, but rather were Chinese
going towards Afghanistan. But, uh, he wore a- now here's a
difference. The troops in the back of the iortietype truck
wore a sandy brown uniform, uh, like our TW Uniform?cotton..
obviously not permanent press, long sleeve, button at the
sleeve. Boots were not tucked in like our combat. They were
rather the..the pants were out of the shoes or boots. Um,
but it was a work uniform. It was not a TW uniforn. It was
a work combat uniform that they were wearing but the style is
different.
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#31: The guy associated with the tanks that I saw, that I think
is like the platoon leader wore a jack boot feeling. I.had
this feeling of big high boots, almost riding breaches, you
know with the boots rucked into the riding breaches. Very,
very cavalryish. I don't know if that's the way they're..
Chinese armored unite are, but like a sand brown belt type
lash-up across his chest and around his waist. A feeling of
almost like a riding breaches, big boots tucked in. Feeling
of cold weather then, prepared, preparedness for cold weather
because I had this idea of the heavy, uh..twill, uh, not twill
but..the quilted jacket. Not necessarily being worn, but
being close at hand for the chill of the night type thing.
And, uh, definite flavor of being Chinese. The whole aspect
of it. The tanks, I couldn't identify the tanks, but I.did-
when I first looked at them I said this is- I had this very
distinct impression this is an old experienced combat unit
with well maintained but older equipment. I mean, they can
get up and go, they can move and shoot, it's just that they're
not right brand new off the line. They got dings and scratches
and bangs an they..you know. Even the feeing that they've
been shot at before.
#66: Okay. Good.
#31: That's about it. Now I turn it off.
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