INSCOM GRILL FLAME PROGRAM SESSION REPORT

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GRILL FLAME
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SESSION REPORT
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REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION DC-87
1. (S/NOFORN) .This report documents a remote viewing session conducted SG
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in compliance with a request for information concerning
2. (S/NOFORN) The remote viewer's impressions of the target are provided
as raw intelligence data, and, as such, have not been subjected to any
intermediate analysis, evaluation or collation. Interpretation and use of
the information provided is the responsibility of the requestor.
3. (S/NOFORN) The protocol used for this session is detailed in the docu-
ment Grill Flame Protocol, AMSAA Applied Remote Viewing Protocol (5),
undated.
4. (S/NOFORN) . Following is a transcript of the viewer's impressions during
the remote viewing session. At TAB A are drawings made by the remote viewer
reference his impressions of the target site. At TAB B is target cuing
information provided the remote viewer.
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#66: This will be a remote viewing session for 0900 hours,
20 February 1981.
SG1B
SG1B
SG1B
SG1B
Okay, this will be a pre-session briefing to the remote
Viewer prior to the beginning of the session. Today will
be the first. in a series of sessions conducted for the pur-
pose_of.establishing rapport and communications with an
SG1B
SG1B
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SG1B Now at the
resent time we don't have a picture of
We're going to be locating him, and
spending some time over the next few weeks establishing
rapport with him personally. Now he works in two different
areas. This first picture I wish to show you...is the area
where he seems to spend most of his normal day. Now if
you'll notice there is a, uh, this is a Xerox picture and it's
kind'ahard to see, but:there's a man standing right here.
Now I have been told that right there is like the control
entry point into that building, that to go into that building
you go through that door there.
Now it's- I can't see in the picture, and it's hard to tell
if there's a door there, but I have been given continued as-
qur.qriceP that that's where the entrance to the building is,
and you must there, it's on a controlled entry point at that
point. Okay?
#01: Mm.
#66: Now we're going after the individual. That is the principal
requirement of this mission is to establish rapport with
the individual.
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#66: How some ever, if in fact you find him and we tend to be in
that building...doing a continuity check between the entrance-
way to his office would be very valuable so that we would
know where his office is located in that building.. But that's
secondary nature to the true mission, which is to...build
rapport with him.
SG1B SG1B
All right. This other picture I wish to show you is a plc-
SG1B ture of the main 1111headquarters i This building
that I showed you before is also in But this is the
SG1B main headquarters in And I'm pointing to the
area now where his office on the fourth or fifth floor here
is located. Now he doesn't spend his entire day here, but
he goes here occasionally, maybe, uh, later in the evenings
or early morning meetings or whatever, he does spend time in
this area, but he spends most of time over In this other
building that I've pointed out to you. Okay?
So I'm pointing there to this kind of middle .wing here, and
S(31Bt0 the fourth or fifth floor, right in that area there is
where his office is located in this building, and this is the
SG1B main headquarters in So as we go after him at
the present time, as we start our session here, 9:00 Eastern
Standard Time it's about 5:00 in the evening this same date
in
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#01: Okay.
#66: Now you are free to go back in time to a little bit earlier
today to deal with the situation, or you can address the
situation in real time.
#01: Okay.
SG1B
#66: But the mission is to identify and build raisort with him.
Let me tell you about him again.
SG1B a very high official in the
and he's chief of one of their 'Bout 53
years old, 6 feet, 175 pounds, very stoop shouldered. Light
hair, smoothly combed back and receding hairline. Beak-like
nose, and he wears reading glasses. All right, do you
have any questions about what we're about to try?
#01: No.
#66: Okay', you have 25 minutes to prepare Ourself.
SG1B
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It's time now to focus your attention oi
who I have previously des-
cribed to you... Focus your attention on him. Focus. Focus
and describe his location to me.
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#01: Theres a...room...like part of a lab. Having trouble,
just 8 minute... Some kinda thin wire object. Object's
on a stand...like music stands, thin wire...like in part
of the office. Get an impression that he loves music...
+04 Gray....medium gray clothing Just a minute
His papers...desk, desk is empty, but there's normally a
+05 lotta papers...pellitical...foreign political branch...
#66: I didn't understand, what did you say? .
#01: Foreign political branch.
#66: What impressions did you have that makes you say this?
#01: I see papers with pictures of people, different nationalities...
#66: And where are these pictures? Where do you see them?
#01: This room. They're not there now, they're there normally....
I'm having trouble staying in the room. Think most of the
lights are turned off.
#66: Okay, stay with the General. Tell me about the General...
#01: Okay, just a minute
Primary likes are, uh, opera like opera music...very little
comfort... Fairly engrossed in his job, 19 hour days, 18
hour days.
#66: Tell me what it is that you perceive that makes you say
this. Tell me the raw perception that makes you say this.
#01: He's always thinking of his job, it's a comfort to him.
His job is comfort to him... No, I don't get a family feel.
There's family, but I think this is not a major involvement.
#66: Okay..... Describe for me, so that I might question you
better, describe for me the methodology by which you're
obtaining your information.
#01: Okay, I'm getting...just getting flashes of him in different,
different times, different places.
#66: Okay. I have one question before we proceed from here and
that is when we very first started the session you said
something about a laboratory?
#01: Looks like part of a labl.processing place...trays on counters
+10 two things of film....so many different colors, for
some reason...uh...deep, deep interest here in, uh, person-
alities, political personalities...
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#66: And what is it you experience that makes you say this?
#01: See many film bits, cuts., photosvcombination photos, old to
new, like references, libraries...like different uniforms,
people wearing...wearing different Uniforms, different
clothes...
#66: Okay. What's the General doing right now?
#01: Sitting in a chair in a...very soft, high backed chair in
a room, paneled, rich woods, very comfortable, favorite
room, favorite place, little light, seems to be dark...
reading...reading what looks like, uh, semi-official reports,
typed, triple-space, smoking a pipe, appear to be a pipe.
#66: All right. While he is occupied reading there you are free
of course, to communicate with him while he is_occupied
reading. You, before told me a little bit about his work
and how he felt about his work. Continue with this.
#01: Very, uh, very knowledgeable.. Oh...science of politics...
+14 Does, uh, does research, uh, about political probabilities,
personalities, quasi-military type personalities, mostly _
political... Don't, don't get a feel for direct control over
many people. More like, uh...just a minute Get a
feeling he, uh, directs his business to two or three very
close and strong type personalities. They're not aware of
his, uh, the guiding scheme behind what makes him do...do
things...
#66: Elaborate...
#01: He's, uh, far more indirect or devious, very intelligent, has
his own thinking....uh...directed goals he has are not imm-
ediately apparent to those that work for him. He's a very
complicated person. Developed a very subtle or almost an
intrigue in his methodologies.. Don't...don't feel any close,
closeness to people around him. Loner...staying a loner.
Two, possibly three very strong political allies in the
party, uh,.watch over him... Ties go back many years, 35,
40 years...
Get_a...just a minute.... I get a sense of...no...just a
minute...ability, takes care to, uh, to hide success. Has
no extremely distinctive accomplishment, but is very accom-
plished. I don't know how to explain that. _It's like he's,
+20 uh, judiciously developed, uh, bland .reputatiCn. I get a
flash,.uh, personal love for,_uh, glass, like Phoenician
glass...glass artifacts, pictures, paintings.
#66: Okay. I want to provide you with a little further infor-
mation now. Do you still perceive him at his desk reading?
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#01: Yes.
SG1B
#66: Okay. He is known by a nickname that is only used by very
close friends. His nickname is You may deal
with him on that basis now, since you know him well and .
SG1B know ,a great deal about him. His name is Describe
most critical aspect in his job. SG1B
#01: Okay, just one minute.
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Just a minute
I get, uh...two, two impressions... Application of appropriate
+23 Soviet mind to areas of endeavor. He sort of.picks the people
that are going to be put in different areas... Very critical
personality matches to foreign emissaries that they deal with
on a day-to-day basis. But I think this is secondary.
His most critical is to establish the, establish the, uh...
just a second...guidelines for a, guidelines for agreements
with, uh, foreign, foreign powers. He engages in advisory,
advisory assistance to his, to the polit bureau for their
decisions on agreements with foreign_powers. Uhl these agree-
ments are generally military effective, effect military,
+26 future military, military decisions, deployments... Does the
estimates, uh, estimates on the foreign, uh, reactions,
actions concerning such negotiations. Sort of a two way.
street. Follows both Soviet and foreign personalities....
Get a hatred, I get a feeling of hatred for something...
little difficult to identify. Uh, he has .a personal hatred
for forms of.organized religion. Views human religious moti-
vation as a...a wild card. Confusing issue, I don't know.
Keep getting hhis as like a hatred symbol for some reason.
#66: Okay. I'd like to interrupt you for a moment. You've told
me, uh, several aspects of his job here, establishing
guidelines and estimates and so forth and so on. I wish you
now to describe for me the experience that you had which led
you to make these comments.
#01: Just a second.... Seem to be looking over his shoulder men-
tally and...just asking question and waiting for answers and
repeating his answers.
#66: Okay. And in what form do the answers appear to you?...
#01: Multiple flash pictures of...rooms of people and whole
actions occurring, meetings of foreign powers, dignitaries.
a whole collage of history type action...action-reaction.
Getting flashes of like, uh, SALT talks and things.
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#66: I.understand then that the answers you receive from your
questions are visual in nature?
#01: Uh...uh, everything one. time. Like thought forms.
#66: All right. Then there is some form of explanation of the
imagery that you see?
#01: Uh, yes.
#66: Okay. Let's turn now to the room in which the General's
located at the present time. Turn now away from him and tell
me about the room in which he's located.
#01: Vaulted ceiling, maybe 18 feet, 16 feet. Uh, heavy stone
fireplace, block, block looking gray. Walls wood, two end
windows, very tall, very wide windows. Some kind of fold-
+31 away shades or covered type decorative panels. Uh, heavy
furniture, low, covered type furniture. Decorative glass
pieces on these. Large desk.
#66: And, tell me now about the building in which this room is
located.
#01: Uh...mm... It's like an older building. Uh... It's
different from either one that you've shown me. It's more
like it's part of the headquarters building. But, it's
not the sectionthat you showed me. It's like I can see
the roof of that from where I'm at.
#66: Okay. Now, take a look at what you're looking at there,
and..so that later after the session loan show you a
picture of the headquarters again, and we can..you can point
out for me the area where this is located. So, spend
some time looking at that area right now
You say you think it is in the headquarters building?
#01: Yes Third floor okay, okay.
466: Okay. Now, I have no further questions about the subject
at this time. However, I would like to provide you the
opportunity to explore and comment as you see fit.
PAUSE
+34 #01: That's all I have.
#66: All right. Fine. Bring your attention then to focus
back on me in the room. Move your arms, move your legs,
and we can prepare to draw those images that you've had.
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#01: Okay. On page 1, I just kind c' sketched out these
things that kind o' looked to me like music stands.
This is....just one of a bunch of different things
that flashed through my mind. I don't know exactly
what they were, except that they had some kind of
wire.things on top, and they just kind o' punched
through my mind as I was tryin' to center on this guy.
#01: AndAt...around about the,same time I got a feeling like he
was really into music, you know. Like that was something
that he really enjoyed. But, it didn't have anything
to do with these stands, because these really aren't music
stands. They're something else. I don't know what they
are. And, his like for music, uh, I was just identifying
him with operas and things like that.
#01: Uh..page 2 is like_this lab area. And, I don't, I don't
notice, I don't have a feel for the size of this place.
This could be like his bathroom even. You know. I don't
know. But, again, I just had this momentary flash of a
lab type area with, with, uh, film hanging down and drawing
and..cuts and bits and pieces of film layin'g around on
table tops, and trays on top the counter tops, cupboards,
a sink, just a white lab type area with...you know...he
could o' gone in there for a passport photo or somethin'
earlier. But, I just had this sense of a lab.
#66: Okay. Before you go on it was about this time in the,
in the front end of the session here when you talked about
pictures and colors. Can you explain it to me?
#01: Right. Yeah. As I was scanning this...I get this flash of
this lab, and I said "hold it" you know, and it kind of
freezes in my mind, and I was...asking the question in my
head what, what's important about the lab. What makes it
significant? And, I had a splash of colors, and then I had
all different kinds of mixtures of photos of peoples faces
and all different nationalities and uniforms and out of
uniform and in uniform. It was like a collage of...of
things. You know. Almost as if it was the cut and paste
room of some sort that collected nothing but photos of
people. And, but I didn't get ,a hobby sense, you know.
It's, this isn't his hobby. Cameras aren't his hobby.
I don't, I don't think. Although that's a possibility,
that's just .a personal opinion. I didn't get a hibby
feeling. But, I just got like this. massive collage or
collection of people's faces, and everything, and then it
went away. And color, for some reason, I. got just splashes
of color and I don't know what that means; if it's signi-
ficant or not.
#66: Okay.
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#01: Page 3 is his office, which is rather crudely drawn.
There's ..a fireplace with like a very large sheet of
glass over it. It's like an.old fashioned building with
a very .high vaulted ceiling...and all the wood, all the
walls are natural.wood. And, there's these big oval
windows, really hugel they're real_tall and real wide.
And, they have fold back, cloth covered, uh, cupboard
type doors over 'em. And, a very large desk, and he
enjoys!sitting at this desk in the late evening, you
know, *ith the, just the desk light on going through
his file folders and his papers. I get an impression
like hO's always got work with him. He carries it
with him everywhere and when he's got a few minutes
he'll Open a folder and be workin'. He's a...it's not
like you're saying that he's thoroughly dedicated 100%
dedicated. Perhaps we out'a turn the tape over here.
#66: Yeah. It looks like we're running out. Let's go ahead
and turn it over now so we don't miss anything.
#01: It's. .Ws not like he's, I don't know, maybe my definition
of dedication is different. Uh, it's not like he's 100%
dedicated to the communist cause, and all this, and of
course, you know, that's his belief, he was brought up,
that's normal, but it's like he loves his work. You know,
he has an intimate feeling for his work, and he enjoys
sitting and doing it all the time. He has no, no real
interest in much else. The only other interest.I have is
a real strong feeling for Phoenician type glass, uh,
collector type items in glass. And, uh, I don't get a
feel for, you know, you said that his nickname was such-
and-such when he's with his real Close friends, I don't
get a feel for a lot of close friends.
#01: I get like, like two Or three people that he's close to,
but only, they're his mentors like, you know-, he's, he
really looks up to them and they protect him politically
and whatnot, It's almost as if he goes out of his way,
even plots and plans his successes in a way that everyone
else gets credit for.them, and it keeps him deliberately
out of the limelight. It's like he doesn't want credit
for anything. Well, that's, .that's an inappropriate
statement. He just plots that the credit doesn't fall
directly on him. He's never standing in the limelight,
and, I sense that he's supporting these one or two or
three mentors that he has. He supports them directly
with everything he does. And, that there's, uh, two,
possibly three people that work directly under him which have
literally all the power. But, they direct, they directly
work for him, and he allows them this power that they have.
Sort a' like he's created a niche in which he lies and
he doesn't extend himself in either direction too much.
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#01: I didn't get a feel for any close family or anything.
Although, he's probably got a family. That's supposition
on my part. I didn't get a feel for any close family.
#66: Okay. .You did have a lot to say about his job. Perhaps
you can explain tome how it is you obtained this informa-
tion about what you think he does.
#01: Well, it's really kind of a strange thing. I, uh, it's
more like, uh, you getting, you getting his feeling for
his job, and you're getting pictures of different events,
and say a normal daywould be a whole collage of events
in the job. And, all the feelings and all the discussions
and everything that go with them; you're getting all of
that. And, from this, this large package of, of sort of
thought forms you get a message as to the general structure
of his job and everything.. And, you can freeze elements
of that and look at them, sort of in detail. And, the,
what I was getting was this, uh, almost as if he, he does
the fine tuning in the decisions matrix that involws
quasi-military operations in the Soliet Union. It's like
this fine tuning he does requires assessing the personali-
ties of the opposing forces, wherever it might be
to the point, the fine tuning's also done to the, to the
ref- it's refined to the point that he also knows the
personalities of the Soviet representatives in those areas
as well. And, he's, he's like makin' his own stew, so to
speak. You know. He mixes these personalities in a way
that are most congenial to his party outlook, his political
requirements. And, that he's directly involved in the
higher negotiating areas, such as like the SALT talks. I
had images of these big, padded rooms with many people of
different nationalities sitting at conference tables. He
secretly knows their fears and their, you know, their
every .political feeling, and whatnot. That's just
generally what I got.
#66: Okay.
#01: That's about all, really.
#66: Okay. How do you feel about your session?
#01: Feel like the session was really good. Little disjointed
maybe, but....
#66: Do you think that you could work with the General again?
#01: Oh, certainly. Yeah, I could dO that very easily. I
think probably more.time in a session would be a good way
of doing it, though.
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#01: It, when you're...like I was asking questions and sort of
allowing myself to sort of mentally look over this General's
shoulder, and I was asking questions, and I was expecting
responses. Sort of like from him and what.I was getting
was like a repeat of his own thought forms. I don't know
how to explain that. Not like reading his mind, and
not getting a direct answer from him. More like
sequentially displayed selected events that he might have
participated in.
#66: Okay. Do I understand you to say that if you had more
time you could focus more intently on each.one_of the
specific events, rather than trying to group everything
together?
#01: Yeah. It's like when you ask a question, I'll get 35 things
flashed on me, and it takes a few minutes to sort through
those for just a small item of information for instance.
And, then that mightengender a, or generate.the two more
questions which requires more time. I get 30 more
references from each of those questions. So, it just
takes a little longer, I think.
#66: Okay.
#01: 'Cause I'm tryin' to, I'm tryin' to isolate a flow, and a
number of events-that's-being displayed rather than trying
to interpret or report on a single event. It's like
tryin' to.dig through a, tryin' to establish what the flow
of the river is. I don't, I don't know how to explain it.
#66: Okay.
#01: That's the best I can explain it.
#66i I have no further questions now.
#01: That's all I got.
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2. (S/NOFORN) During the session the viewer was asked to elaborate on
those aspects of his perceptions which appeared most relevant to the
intelligence question at hand.
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