TRANSCRIPT REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION DCC-86

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• Document Creation Date: November 4, 2016
• Document Release Date: June 10, 1998
• Sequence Number: 1
• Publication Date: July 8, 1981
• Content Type: REPORT

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REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION DCC-86
1. (S/NOFORN) This report documents a remote viewing session conducted in
compliance with a request for information.
2. (S/NOFORN) The remote viewer's impressions of the target are provided
as raw intelligence data,.and as such, have not been subjected to any
intermediate analysis, evaluation or collation. Interpretation and use of
the information provided is the responsibility of the requestor.
3. (S/NOFORN) The protocol used for this session is detailed in the document
Grill Flame Protocol, AMSAA Applied Remote Viewing Protocol (S), undated.
4. (S/NOFORN) Following is a transcript of-the viewer's impressions during
the remote viewing session. At TAB A are drawings made by the remote viewer
reference his impressions of the.target site. At TAB B is target cuing
information provided the remote viewer.
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REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION DCC-86
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This will be a remote viewing session for 8 July 1981;
mission time is 0900 hours.
Test.
This will be a pre-mission briefing. All right #01, you've
looked at this picture here of this which of course
you should be familiar with, you've been the & before. And
what we'll be doing is going back to this building. We'll
start from there, we'll get further instructions.
Okay.
All.right #Ol, the time is now 0900 hours. I want you now to
focus on the building in the photograph. I would like you to
project your awareness to this building, and once again locate
I would like you to begin by standing in the hallway
at the door When you are there, please let me
know...
Okay.
As you look through the doorway I'd like you to look around
from your left to your right, and very briefly describe what
you see.
See a light colored wall..kind of a funny door... Another
bright wall, some kind of metallic wall.. That's all I see.
A hallway goes in both directions.
Oka . At this time I'd like you to move your awareness into
just inside the door. What do you see to your left?
I'm standing in a lab room. To my left there, uh...some kind
of a..design type tables. Uh, construction type tables..like
design technicians or engineers would use. Some cabinets there
as well, security cabinets... Behind that's just a..black wall
with looks like two more doors.. That's all I have on my left.
Okay. I'd like you to look straight ahead, look straight ahead
and describe what you see from the door.
I have like the ends of long tables-extend off to the right.
And there's equipment like sitting on these tables, some tools..
some objects, range in size from component elements, uh, maybe
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sizes are, uh..
an impression
or something..
I'm seeing what looks like reflecting mirrors or..some kinda
optical mirrors. I just get a feeling of reflection... Feel
I'm in a..bright, bright light. Some kinda different color.
I-got cables going to a, uh..like mini elements, mini computers.
Some.kinda.digitalized..digitalized type computer elements, the
old black boxes type things. Some kind of electronics. I'm
tr.yin' to..I can't put it together. It's like part of this
stuff is.taken apart, or is being built. I get a feeling for
like bread board effect, something temporarily constructed for
testing.. Very refined measurement. It's like a emission and
collection system, like the-.1 don't know what it is, but it
emit&,-, and collects at the same time.
the size of cigarette packs and up.. Larger
like tubes with boxes fastened-to them.. Get
of heavy black cable. It's a big test bench
long tables..design test bench.
Keep getting this very dark chamber with 4t, descent specks of
light. And the refelection's like all the colors of the rainbow..
Tense, it's like looking at stars. As a matter of fact there's
black glass, thick black glass. Uh, think that might be some kind
of shielding. I get a feeling for shielding.
#14: Okay #01, look to your right. What do you perceive as being on
your right?
+11 #01: Metal parts cabinets, storage bins.. Some cross-hatch design
of some kind..grid or screening or something. Other doors...
+12 this would be like a large power panel or something in the
corner. Heavy black cables again with gray squares and big
switches... Get a feeling like this is like the-the core ele-
ment of a larger lab effort... This is more the physics element,
like the..build and display part. The center, the central area.
I don't know how to explain that.... Hold on a minute. I'm
losin' it, I gotta get... Just a minute.
#14: Okay, take your time.
+15 #01: Okay. I'm getting, uh..flabhes of what looked like circular
scopes..some kind of a...some kind of electrical, uh, optical
type displays, varying sizes. These are somehow tied into, uh..
stars, the lights. Very refined, uh, targeting or measurement
type devices.. Keep getting these-.I don't know what to call
'em, they're-it's like..light slashes or..ribbons..light slashes.
They're like light beams, they're turnin' sideways as they go
+16 away-. Very thin... These, uh...it's coming out of very small
elements, so I don't..surprisingly small. Keep tryin' to find a
color and I can't.
#14: Okay #O1, I want you to relax.now. I want you to refocus, refocus
yourself to the hallway once again, outside
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#01: Okay.
#14: Look through the doorway
#01: Okay.
#14: Is this the same room that you have been describing?
#01: Get a feeling like there's two rooms. The, uh..think -
th
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s like
has more-like the designer type furniture. It
engineering type room, but the-there's an adjacent room that
has equipment in it. Get a feeling I'm passing through a steel
wall between the two. For some reason this..the actual test
room has to be shielded and it's very small compared to the
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#14: Okay. As you're standin in the hallway imagining there's a
SG1A window in the door From the hallway what can you
see?...
#01: Just dividers..look.like our dividers with the cloth..and, uh...
+19 keep seeing those table lamps, like the long arm, adjustable
table lamps. Then they start breakin' on into, uh, like drawing
tables..and miniature equipment, small equipment, components...
Looks like some of those, uh, flat storage cabinets, security
cabinets, like for maps and drawings.... That's all I get. I'm
just getting strong feelings of, uh, like laboratory feelings,
experimental and constructive.
#14: Okay.. Is there any other type of furniture, whether it be
unusual or what you would normally see there or whatever, that
you haven't described yet?
#01: Okay, just a minute..... I'm getting too much overlay, I'm
inventing things.
#14: Okay. How would you describe the activity in this room at this
time?
#01: Uh, normal, workday type, uh, largest group of people talking
+22 would be two or three. Uh, engineer and staff type personnel
moving around the room discussing elements of configuration or
design.. Normal...
#14: Okay. If you could put it all together, and ask yourself this
SG1A question. Ask yourself, what is the function or purpose of this
#01: Okay, give me a minute.
#14: Okay.
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#01: I'd say, uh...developmental design and..and initial testing
+24 of some form of targeting or...light frequency type measurement
devices... Having trouble with the reason for them though.
I don't-know- I keep mixing emission with collection for some
reason.... I keep getting electronic displays but I don't know
if those are elemental to-the devices or..or other test equipment.
This place reminds me of a...reminds me of what you would see
in like a, uh, project development scenario with a contractor...
Like enhancements to existing devices, experimental development,
that sort of thing...
#14: Okay, I want you to focus your attention inwardly, and again.
ask yourself the question: what is it they are trying to develop?
#01: Okay, just a minute.
#14: We will wait........
+27 #01: I get this like, uh...it's like a, uh, anti-ray-ray type effect..
It's like, uh, some kind-of a ray is emitted and used for target-
ing, and what they're developing here is a device.for like auto-
matic defense against being targeted by such a. device, along with
its own capacity to target. Be like two tanks with, uh, with
targeting lasers, and one..both have the same capability except
what they're tryin' to develop, or one would be..when targeted
by the other tank, the capacity to disrupt the other tanks tar-
geting and target their own. That kind of- like a counter-counter-
defense/offense against laser type,. uh, weaponry. I don't know
if it's a tank or not. I get.a feeling for different kinds of,
uh, armament. It's like a counter-counter ray type targeting
device....
#14: Okay #01, I have no further questions at this time. I'd like
you to spend a few minutes engraving.in your mind the layout of
this room, the layout of this room, and I will be asking you to
draw an overhead sketch of this room, and.possibly putting in some
of the items that you've been describing and locating them for us.
#01: Okay. Just a minute... I get ' feeling that the, uh..that this
is a, this effort is, uh, service connected, like to Army, for
instance. I get at I get views of military type people as well
as civilian, which is..new to the target. That's all I got.
#14: Okay.
Okay. We're now ready for debrief.
#01: Okay. On page one, the one and only page, I've done-as best as
I can a rendition of the interior of this room. I had a lot of
problems with this drawing because I think I was really in two
rooms at the same time, and I was.getting.gestaltic impressions
of bits and pieces of the room, but I, you know, I wasn't getting
a visual overall view of this entire room. Essentially-it con-
sists of a left wall with a door in it, a right wall with two
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#01: doors in it, something blocking the view as you go through the
door, like an interior L-shaped wall or something. And there's
dividers in there that divide up drafting tables, or desks, or
some kinda table that has the, you know, the drafting type lamps
fastened to it. And the security cabinets are in each of these
little alcoves.. It's like an area where engineers would go to
do design work or discuss design work, that sort of thing.
Back against one wall are work type benches.. Against another
wall are the map or drawing type security cabinets, you know
those low,. flat drawer type things. And, uh, in the middle of
the room are like metal equipment tables with equipment or parts
or pieces of said same on top. Uh, and then there's some desk
in there somewhere.
Uh, purpose-wise I get the feelinq that some form of laser or
quasi-laser type optical device i-S brought in here and design
work's being done to either upgrade it or develop new techniques
in the use of these devices. It may even be that one-time devices
are built here for some special purpose. But I get a feeling of
a very tightly knit close group of people, each with their own
area of.expertise working together to either enhance or develop
optic laser type precision implements or instruments. I don't
get a feel for big ones. I get a feel for little.ones, like these
micro miniature.jobbers. You know, the little black case with the
tube sticking out the end. That sort of thing. I don't get a
feel for whether it's purely laser emission or collection. You
know, I get a feel for both, like they emit and collect, meaning
targeting devices. Uh, I also get a feel for present development
into some kind of counter laser optic type device here. Or
they may be using our current technology to develop counter
devices. But it's a design and development type room, if you will.
Like a special group of people in advanced technology, and optic
laser type devices. And it's also directly associated to U.S. Army.
And the reason why I said that is I had a flash or impression
of, uh, U.S. Army airfield, with helicopters on it. And that
may be directly associated to this building in some way, but I'm
not sure. It's just a flash that I had right at the end of the
session. Uh, you know, I use that as an indicator that this is
probably a U.S. Army type endeavor, and it may be just overlay.
That's an impression that I had.
#14: Well, earlier in the session you had mentioned you had a feeling
it was a..like working with a contractor.
#01: Yeah, right. Sort of a contractor type..facility. I don't..
I don't know if. it's actually owned by the contractor, if they're
supplying people or if it's a. joint enterprise. But it's defi`
riitely a U.S. Army enterprise.
#14: Uh, okay. This is the hallway?
#01: Oh yeah, I'll mark the hallway on here.
#14: Okay.
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#01: I said, you..know..it would appear that..I just couldn't get
an overall view of this room. It's like I. was in two rooms
at the same time. They're probably very adjacent to one
another, or the function of what's going on in this.room is
directly tied into the second room, directly associated to the
second room. Definitely a research laboratory type feeling
though. That's essentially all I got.
#14: Okay. End of session.
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REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION DCC-86
1. (S/NOFORN). Prior to the start of this session the remote viewer was
shown the attached photograph and was told that his target would be the
building in the background.
2. (S/NOFORN) During the session the viewer was asked to position himself
SG1A in. the hallway outside He was asked to describe the room,
moving from left to right, from his position at the door. The viewer was
then asked to determine the purpose/function of this room.
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