TRANSCRIPT REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION DC-24

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• Publication Date: December 3, 1980
• Content Type: REPORT

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INSCOM
GRILL FLAME
PROGRAM
CLASSIFIED BY:MSG,DAMI-ISH
DATED: 051630ZJUL78
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REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION DC-24
1. (S/NOFORN) This report documents a remote viewing session conducted in
compliance with a request for information concerning a wall in a designated
building.
2. (S/NOFORN) The remote viewer's impressions of the target are provided
as raw intelligence data, and, as such, have not been subjected to any inter-
mediate analysis, evaluation or collation. Interpretation and use of the
information provided is the responsibility of the requestor.
3. (S/NOFORN) The protocol used for this session is detailed in the docu-
ment Grill Flame Protocol, AMSAA Applied Remote Viewing Protocol (S), undated.
4. (S/NOFORN) Following is a transcript of the viewer's impressions during
the remote viewing session. At TAB A are drawings made by the remote viewer
reference his impressions of the target site. At TAB B is target cuing
information provided the remote viewer.
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REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION DC-24
#66: This will be a remote viewing session for 0900 hours,
3 December 1980.
Relax and concentrate now. Relax and focus your attention
now, focus your attention now solely and completely on the
building in the photograph I have shown you. Focus now in
present time on the building in the photograph I have shown
you. As you become aware of the. building in the photograph
I have shown you focus your attention even closer, even
better, even clearer on the target wall, on the target wall
in the building. Holding your focus in present time move
to the basement area on the target wall, and scan the target
wall of the. basement area.
#01: Okay. Just a minute .............. I got six, uh...apparently,
uh, they're poured concrete stanchions, and they're flush
against the wall. Six of 'em..... Section of the wall is
poured concrete... very hard. I'm not getting anything else
the wall.
#66: Tell me of your relative position of observation as you scan
this wall.
#01: It's, uh...went to the far right corner... moving from the
right to the left...past the...past the two other walls
from right to left. They run perpendicular to the, the wall
itself. The target wall is, uh, is poured concrete, very
hard. I don't see anything penetrating the wall.
#66: All right. Now broaden your perspective and as you scan the
wall once again ask yourself for anything of interest to
U.S. Intelligence concerning the wall in the basement.
#01: Okay, just a minute.
#66: Anything of interest concerning the wall in the basement....
#01: I don't get anything.
#66: All right.
#01: Just poured concrete.
#66: Now...face the wall, facing the wall now...we are on the side
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#66: of the wall on the building in. the photograph, facing the wall.
Now move through' the wall, moving through the wall to the
other side of the wall, clear through to the other side of the
wall. Now turn back and face the wall, you're now facing the
wall from the adjacent building. From this perspective scan
the wall in the basement area and describe for me what you
find.
#01: Okay, just a minute..... I got, uh, three rooms. It's like
three sections of wall, by from the front, which is the front
left. Scanning to the right. First area has a...common wall
with the other building. There's nothing there, just poured
concrete. Second section. I go through a perj0pendicular
wall into a second section. And I have the same....
There's another perpendicular wall...a third section. This
sections got, uh...like a air space, and it's kinda of a
veneer or brick...looks like brick...decorative brick of
some kind...or tile, thin, they're very thin...
There's...just a minute. There's something holding the tile
up... It's like some kinds, um, vertical boards, very thin,
with, uh...with some other boards on top. And then this
tiling is glued to the boards. I don't see anything in the
wall itself, though... Just poured concrete....
There's a line, black line, uh...I can't tell if it's a wire
or what it is, but there's a black line in the third section.
#66: Which direction does this line move in the wall?
#01: It's not in the wall, it's on the wall. It's behind the tile
and it comes down around and goes through the perpendicular
wall...some kind of a line, black line. Maybe the thickness
of a pencil.
#66: All right. You can draw for me later the way it appears to
you on the wall. At this time place your hands on the tar-
get wall, place your hands on the target wall so that you
can maintain continuity. Now, I'm interested in scanning
the area below the level of your feet, the area of the wall
below the level of your feet. Scan now the entire wall below
the level of your feet.
#01: In just a minute, I gonna go to the front corner again.....
There's a...it's two sections... that's like there's two
different layers of something in the floor. They're both
concrete, though. The one sections got, uh...thicker...there's
like floors with concrete poured, and it's on top of another
like, uh, elbow shaped section.
#66: Okay.
#01: Poured concrete.
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#66: Remember I'm interested in the wall. I'm confused of your
descriptions of the floor. I'm interested in the wall.
#01: It's all wall. It's all part of the wall.
#66: All right.
#01: Oh, there's a air space, exterior to the front edge of the
wall, but I don't...it's exterior to the building as well
and under floor, but I'm not...I don't, you know, wouldn't
know what it's for.
#66: Okay, focus again on the target wall...the target wall below
+15 the level of your feet. Proceed with your scan.......
#01: There's a...seam, or a crack...that runs the edge of the wall,
from left to right, right where the floor under my feet meets
the, uh, the wall. But it's just a crack, a seam. I don't
know what that's for....... That's all I got.
#66: Scanning from the front of the building to the rear of the
building any perceptions about the...wall below the level of
your feet..... I'm not doubting you, I just want,to make
sure you've covered the entire wall because-
#01: All right. I understand.
#66: Before you marched me down the wall very neatly.
#01: I'm going down the wall now. I don't, just a seam goes left
to right through the building. All three sections are the
same. I don't get anything except poured concrete and that
elbow shaped like section of other poured concrete.
#66: Okay. Okay, let us return your perceptions now to the area
of the black line, and at this time describe in detail this
perception.
#01: Okay, I got a...in the third section, front corner, against
the wall as high as you can reach, coming through the roof
against the wall is a black line, vertical. Comes down the
wall behind the tile about two feet, then goes horizontal to
the left corner.
#66: Is- your perception is going to the left corner towards the
front of the building?
#01: Yes. But it's the f-, it's the perpendicular interior wall.
#66: Oh, I understand, all right. It goes-
#01: Of section three.
#66: It comes- where I understand, okay, continue to follow where
it goes from there.
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#01: Then it comes up perdicular- horizontally towards me on the
perpendicular wall.
+19 #66: Okay, place your hand on the line and follow it further.
#01: Okay, it goes down the wall...to, uh, another interior...
and then, uh, like down another interior wall connected to
the back wall of the building. And then goes up through a,
uh, what looks like a...goes up through like the floor in the
rear corner. Uh...comes out in another room...
#66: And then what happens?
#01: I'm tryin' to get situated in that room, just a minute...
I can't... describe this. It's like a...some kind of a large
metal heater or something against the wall. Fills the corner
of this room, and it's got a...vents on the front. And like
this design it looks like horizontally stacked...beer cans,
or something on edge on the end. And there's like a pattern,
there's like a pattern embossed in this metal...very much
like, uh, the pattern you get when you, uh, ball up a piece
of tin foil and then try to smooth it out again. The metals
smooth but it's got that pattern. And there's a, like a...
section of shelves or something behind me in the room.
#66: Okay, it's not necessary to describe the room you're in.
I'm- tell me more about the wire. Where is the wire specifi-
cally now?
#01: I don't, I don't know if it's a wire, but it goes into this
metal thing.
#66: Into the metal thing?
#01: Yes. I- I don't know what this is. Inside I get a- inside
the metal thing there's like a...I get smooth steel of some
kind.
#66: Does the line stop at the metal thing?
#01: Yes. It stops there. Now, I don't know what to do with this
metal thing, I just get this like stacked beer can pattern
and smooth metal inside and that's the designs.
#66: All right. Turn around now and move the other direction down
the line, so that you might be able to reproduce for me where
it goes from the target wall....
#01: I go up the lines through the floor... continues to the second
floor... continues to third floor, but it...it doesn't go
through the third floor, it goes like :under: the third floor.
And it goes like through a...what appears to be a double
layer of some kind. Goes through a, uh, just a minute...
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#01: I don't know if it's wood or plaster. But it goes through
a wall of something other than the poured concrete. Small
air space and another piece of, uh, stone. It's like brick.
And then there's a...it meets like a section of flat metal
of some kind and goes into this and stops. It's just ter-
minated there. This piece of metal's like, uh, like the end
of a square box...at the end of a square box. Only I don't
see the other end, it's just one end. And there's a...like
a line sort of bend through it. And the edges, where they
meet are folded over. This line, this black line, just pene-
trates the box and doesn't go anywhere.
#66: Okay, I'have no further questions now about the target area.
If there's any comments you have please make them now.
#01: That's all I got.
#66: Okay. Focus your attention now on me and the room where we
are, and prepare to draw that which you have perceived con-
cerning the target area.
#01: Okay, on, uh, page one, what this is, is a view of the wall
in the basement from the other building side, meaning that
the U.S. side is on the left here and others side is on the
right. Uh, the entire wall all the way down appears to be
poured concrete. The cuta-, excuse me, the cutaway view,
which is, uh, labeled "AA" in the drawing, is done over on
the side sort of, shows the cutaway section of the wall.
And it's this way all the way down. There's nothing breaking
through this wall all the way down, it's just poured. concrete
with a...integral to a poured concrete footing and poured
concrete floor, and, uh, I'll label that floor, label this
footing, label this wall. And there's steel reinforcing
rods in here... And, uh, it's very hard concrete.
Now there's internal walls on the other side of the building,
on the side close to us. And these are, you know, varied
and sundried masonry type walls.
The third room back, I'll label these Roman numeral.one,
Roman numeral two, and Roman numeral three, the Roman numeral
third room back, that wall is the, that subject wall is covered
with a tile. And apparently there's, inside the tile, the
tiles are on some kind of wood, and inside that there's some
kind oflathing,, and in the wall itself. And then this black
line...comes down the inside face of that subject wall, uh,
in the, in the corner, and then runs outward on the interior
wall, and makes a left and goes down another interior wall
and then straight up an exterior wall, this being the back
exterior wall....call it rear. This is the front... exterior.
And, uh, that's basically it for the, uh, basement.
Okay, I was focusing only on the wall itself here and, uh,
the subject wall, and therefore any kind of pipes or sewage
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#01: or anything that might be connected to that wall on the
inside or outside, I wasn't even noticing, I wasn't referring.
to. I can tell you the approximate location of the,.uh, the
photograph, though, with the, uh, the washers and whatever
it is. And I got the feeling like that was right here in this
corner....
#66: Okay.
#01: And it, uh...that's it, I guess, for the basement.
#66: Okay, now, uh, at this point I asked you then to look below
the level of your feet as you stood in the basement, and
basically you really didn't have much of anything but the
little cutout that you've drawn.
#01: Okay, in the cutout, I'll label in the cutout my view. I
was looking in the direction. of the arrow, okay? When you
said look below the floor, I was looking, look, look below-
#66: Look over your feet is what I was saying.
#01: Yeah, feet. And this is the view that I was getting. Down
here was white.
#66: Okay.
#01: Okay? And that's all I was getting, just poured concrete.
#66: Okay. And then I asked you to back and see if you could
follow this wire as it left the tile wall.
#01: Right. I'll put arrows on this black line to show the dir-
ection I went. I went...we'll call this first direction...
and we'll call this second direction... And I started in
room three both times.
#66: Okay.
#01: Now, on page two, uh...this would be, okay, if, starting from
the basement and putting your hands up on the next floor,
the base of the next floor and counting from there, that
being one, this would be floor three.
#66: Okay.
#01: Okay? And this is the wall. Now this wall is interesting
in that there is a air space between it... And there's,
there's two forms of masonOry or whatever. I feel like, oh
this is the U.S. side...and this is the others side. And I
feel like the U.S. side is brick with plaster, okay? ...
And the other side is, uh, something other than that. Some
other...form of masonry... maybe a sprayed-up masonry or
something.
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#66: Okay.
#01: Uh, this thing, this black line goes up...through that section
of third floor and it hangs a...an angle through the wall,
both walls at the s-, at, in between the third floor. I don't
know how to explain that. Somewhere in the middle of the
third floor itself, physically in the third floor. It goes
through there and intersects a...a metal box, or the end of
a metal box...and penetrates it, and just does only that.
Just penetrates it. And I described the metal box. This is
to basement...
Now the, uh..... the other end going the other direction-
#66: Would just be direction of number 1.
#01: Yeah. Uh, yeah. This would be, uh, second direction that I
just explained... And this is first direction... Okay, it
comes up through the very next floor, or that first floor and
goes into this room...and, uh, goes up the wall and then hangs
a left and goes down a wall. This being an exterior wall...
and goes into this box like apparatus that's got a, uh, that
special metal design on it, that I said looked like crumpled
tin foil that's been flattened out again...and it has vents...
And this like, what looks, has the appearance of being a row
of beer c-', a couple rows of beer cans that are stacked on
edge. But that's what it looks like. I don't know how to
explain that. Oh....
#66: The point being you're not saying it is beer cans, you're
saying that that-
#01: No. Right.
#66: That if beer cans were stacked up it would be similar in
appearance to it.
#01: Right. I don't know what this thing is. I tried to go
inside of it with the black line. The black line goes some-
where in there, okay? I can't see it in there,. but it goes
somewhere in there, and that's where it terminates. And
every.time I go inside this thing I get nothing but smooth,
rounded, shiny surfaces. And I- that's all I'm getting in
there, and I- you know, I just don't,.I have nothing in my
head to match this to. I have nothing in my head that even
remotely relates to it, and this is just gestaltic that I'm
getting, you know, and I'm trying to represent it in a draw-
ing and it's extremely difficult. I don't know, you know,
what else to do. Just this weird thing. That's essentially
it, I guess.
#66: Okay.
#01: But it does terminate in there, the black line does.
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#66: Okay.
#01: And when I say black line I don't know- all I'm getting when
I see this is a black line. Just like you took a heavy black
pen and drew a line on a piece of paper. And I don't know if
there's any definition to this, or if it's wire, or if it's
cable, or if it's ...you know. I don't know what it is, it's
just a black line.
#66: Okay.
#01: It could be. anything. That's it.
#66: Okay, fine.
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REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION DC-24
1. (S/NOFORN) Prior to the session the remote viewer was shown the attached
pictures. The right hand wall was indicated to the viewer and he was told
that it would be his task to scan this target wall looking for anything of
interest to USI. He was told that in the future he would be looking at dif-
ferent portions of the wall but for today he was to limit his scan to the
basement area.
2. (S/NOFORN) During the session the viewer was directed to look at the
target wall from several different perspectives. The viewer was encouraged
to elaborate on his perceptions which seemed at the time to be relevant.
3. (S/NOFORN) This remote viewer has worked this target before and as a
result is not completely "blind" to the situation at hand.
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