SESSION REPORT, REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION D-39. VIEWER 10.5.

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GRILL FLAME
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CLASSIFIED BY:MSG,DAMI-ISH
DATED: 051630ZJUL78
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REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION D-39
1. (S/NOFORN) This report documents a remote viewing session conducted in
compliance with a request for information concerning safes in a room.
2. (S/NOFORN) The remote viewer's impressions of the target are provided as
raw intelligence data and as such have not been subjected to any intermediate
analysis, evaluation or collation. Interpretation and use of the information
provided is the responsibility of the requestor.
3. (S/NOFORN) The protocol used for this session is detailed in the document,
Grill Flame Protocol, AMSAA Applied Remote viewing Protocol (S), undated.
4. (S/NOFORN) Following is a transcript of the viewer's impressions during
the remote viewing session. At TAB A are drawings made by the remote viewer
reference his impressions of the target site. At TAB B is target cuing infor-
mation provided the remote viewer.
5. (S/NOFORN) This session was conducted concurrently with session D-38.
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REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION D-39
TIME
#66: This will be a remote viewing session for 1100 hours,
10 September 1980.
SG1 B
any questions concerning your mission?
#10.5: No.
#66: At this time then we'll prepare to do the session.
PAUSE
#66: Relax and concentrate now. Relax and focus your attention
on the room in the photograph I have shown you. Focus
your attention on the room in the photograph I have shown
you. Move now in present time, move now in present time
to the room in the photograph and describe it to me. Now.
#10.5: I'm getting ...two, uh...I think two, no, one*** ..... **to.-There's
a rat rig...behind the partition.......two, uh...gray...
steel type desks... they're in the room, for some reason
I can...side by side...little separate... On the left
one I can...see something coming back toward me, on it's
left side like ...a screen or a...side panel .............
+06 Wait.....I have a.......the place I put two....it's 4....0
across from the clock... slightly to the right, like" my
back is to clock...the right hand is open...and it'-has,
uh...it's a cabinet, and it's, uh...four, three or four
drawer, and it's top one is...gaping open.... extended,
slid out...it's bottom one...is open, but only four
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#10.5: inches...or so, like it's been pulled out, but isn't. The
one to the left is...right side to side. It appears to be
...with it's drawers closed.... Let me rest. I'll come
back up in two minutes.
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#10.5: No, the one on the left is-open... They're both...black
dial. ? .with a metal lever on the top, and I'c;an see the
(garbled)...the one on the left the lever is...up. I want
to say that there is a...no forced entry, that they are
both; opened..I.not._by force. I see no facial damage or...
attempts to figure out forced entry...non-exd stent.T:pen
directly. The one on the right is...undergoing a...I'd
say bul:k...reproduction, they1,'re working on the, uh,
second drawer down now, the one that has the, uh, black
dial on it. There...I think it's bu?-1k anyway, there's a
copying apparatus Which is:outside in the hall to the
left and then to the right about 25 or 30 feet down...
+15 #66: Describe the ones doing the copying.
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#10.5: There is a, uh...only a youngish woman dressed in white...
brunette, skirt, blouse... There is a middle aged short
male init;...glasses, almost frail, gray flannel suit,
brown flannel suit...the glasses with the speckly frames,
has a widow's peak... The woman is to the left of the
clock doing... something, also resembles a file cabinet
type...
#66: Describe the condition of the.room at-the' present time.
+22 #10.5: It's........ virtually unchanged. The desk by the partition
is...a little disarrayed. The two desks to the end...
turned slightly, a little misaligned maybe ... Papers on
top.....
#66: I have no further questions. It's time now for your
comments. Please comment as you see fit at this time.
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#10.5: Must be a third safe which is the one which the woman is
working on. It stands to the left of the exit, like frame
in a wall. To the left of it is a large gray wall unit
like a wall cabinet... It is open too. It is the one
she is working on...top drawer, but it looks much lighter
than the other two. I'd almost say it's a file cabinet.
Back of the room behind the two desks something on the wall
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#10.5: which is white. I think of world map when I look at
that. To the right of two safes there's something on
the wall. It's rectangular, above eye level. I think of
picture when I look at that. Dark lying rectangle, think
like a fr e. appear...I feel that this place is located
in a cent etween two open hallways. For some reason I
had a mirror image, I'm getting another rectangle like two
rectangles, they place one exit at left of the partition.
To the left of that is the safe with the girl, to the left
of that is the wall unit. Then there's the position from
which the photograph is taken, and that appears to also be
a passageway... only that, that is different. I backed out
of it and there's a hall that goes away there and curves
backwards to the right at an angle, but to the one to the
left of the partition is a straight up and down parallel
hallway, and there are...I don't know what it is, there
are platforms in this room that are weird. The safes
seem to sit on platforms, something raised other than
what they would raise up above the floor, some other sort
of platform area...
I think all three are open, but two of the three are
presently being worked.
#66: Do I understand that one looks more like a file cabinet
than a safe?
#10.5: Yes. Like the kind with the push-button lock on it...
It seems lighter, less...dense.
#66: All right.
#10.5: More flimsy metal.
#66: Any further comments before drawing?
#10.5: Well, uh, several times I had the feeling that of the two
safes side by side the one on the left is shorter than the
one on the right by abc~t eight inches. That's cer-, there's
certainly a...recurringAbig boy, little boy type...feeling
there, but not much, one is...one on the right is a little
taller. That's all I got.
#66: Okay, fine. Let's prepare to draw now.
#10.5: Okay. Sketch one...is set of two things that I took to be
Mosler safes, man. No doubt about it. Where I believe
they're positioned in the room is across from the clock,
that little pedestal or little whatchamacallit that has
that clock on it. In other words, they're to the left of
the place from which the photograph, target photograph,
was taken. They're not, obviously, they're not in the
photograph. Very spontaneously when I looked, I was look-
ing, okay, they want to know about safes, you know, let me
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#10.5: ...see if I find any safes. Bam! I saw a safe with the top
file drawer open; there was no doubt about it. The top
drawer of the safe-there were two of 'em side-by-side.
One of 'em was open. Then I started saying, well, you know,
gee, that's sort of neat and groovy, I mean I found the-
they wanted the answer to that question, and I found it.
Here it came..it just smacked me right between the eyes
with no thought, left brain cogutative action or anything.
And I was sitting there grooving on these safes...sort of
like I got distracted, like who was the guy that was
reaching up into the top drawer to, to get this stuff out.
He's a little old mousy guy, sort of a professor type,
slightly, slight build and 50 years old, and wearing some
sort of a..some sort of a tweed, brown tweed suit. And, I
sort of said, well, you know, okay, this-hell, this could
be the guy that usually works here, you know, but, then I
got...no, wait a minute...he's taking bunches out. He's
not just taking out individual file foldersaaworking on them.
You know, I was sort of concerned that I might have moved
in time to at a so called normal time, and not some sort of
a time of interest for this exercise.
But, the unusual activity was that he was taking groups of
folders out, and. I perceive that he was walking somewhere,
..uh..around behind him, and out a door into a long hallway.
Okay... Now, this door, if you're looking at sketch one
you would have to turn around, with your back to this safe,
and then this door would be to the left on the other side
of the room. I have the door to the left of the partition
which is shown in the target photograph. Now, I know that
in the target photograph it's some big sort of bookcase
that's over there, but, I don't believe that the bookcase
is there. I believe that there is a door there, and the door
is a little farther down, maybe. But, somewhere on
that side of the room to the left of the partition is an
egress access exit, egress and exit point. They're walking
out into the hallway out that door, down to the left
about 25 feet to the right, maybe only 10 feet into a room
that has a reproductive capability ... photostatic capability,
maybe. Inanimate objects do not have reproductive
capabilities, okay.......
Now, .I do not believe that that is the door which I like...
some reason I had two ways to get in and out of this place;
one on either side of a long nar-longish, narrow room, okay.
I believe that there is a door sort of there. I'll draw
an arrow in the lower right, and I believe that there is a
door down there. It's up to you guys to figure out if it's
left-right, reversal, and if I knew whether I was coming
or going or not.
All right, that's two safes, that's sketch one. Picture
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#10.5: on the left, and there are two desks, only one of which
I've shown because only one. is really...you know, germane
I guess is the word for it. In sketch one.
#66: I'd like to ask about these two safes now if I could.
##10.5: Okay.
#66= You said that, um-
#10.5: They are not burned open, they are opened not surreptitiously.
They are opened as though the guys walked in in the classic
manner, looked at the guys calendar pad that works in
there, and he found the combination circled. Some stupid
thing like that. He knew the combination. They were not
pried open, theft weren't jimmied open, they weren't burnt
open, they weren't blown open. They were unlocked in a
normal manner.
#66: They were unlocked in a normal manner-
#10.5: Yes.
#66: But from the scario you've just related to me it was not
someone who normally shouldn't A,;. e, the combination.
#10.5: I didn't say that. I don't really, I didn't really say
that. I'm not trying to say what- I do not know whether
the people there were supposed to be there or were not
supposed to be there. That's a qualitative judgement I
can't-
#66: Okay.
#10.5: I did have an overlying pallor, okay, this pallor of some
sort of surreptitiousness. Now, whether that's overlay
from the tasking or not I don't know. But I did feel
surreptitiousness about it. But I also felt that the
combination was known somehow, and was dialed into the
safe and the drawers were opened.
#66: Okay.
##10.5: Now, how that surreptitiousness applies to knowledge of
the combination, I don't know. I really couldn't say.
It could be that-it could be that these- this guy-
these guys really worked there and know the combination.
Okay?
#66: Okay.
#10.5: And they're there after duty hours and they're not supposed
to be there. Or it could be that they don't work there
and didn't know the combination, but somehow got it, and
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#10.5: weren't uupposed to have the combination, but did know it.
And the method by which they would've gotton it is not
by some neat and technical groovineps, like a camera in-
serted in the ceiling over the safe with time synch photo-
graphy. It was some stupid thing like some stupid blunder
that they just happened to get it. Very easily. If, if,
if that's the alternative, i.e., they come walkin' in, gee
it sure would be nice to get into those safes, uh, now's
the time, let's look around maybe we can find the combin-
ation and goddamnit they didn't find the combinations, and
they tried them out and they worked. That's the type of
a thing I'm tryin' to say.
#66: All right. Now, um...just to clarify for...the person
who might be reading this transcript. You have had some
exposure to intelligence training and would recognize
various methods of opening a safe by force...
#10.5: Yeah. Uhl you know, the reason I say that they weren't
opened by force is I said, you know, that's weird, the
safe's open, I'm looking for damage. I was looking for
some visual thing that might come through, in RV that
would tell me if it'd been torched or cut. And there's
no visible damage to the front. Okay? Or on the sides
that are exposed. I didn't get in the crack, you know,
I was sort of just looking. And it was automatically
exculsionary that any forced entry had occur. it was
just- it wasn't a case of that, just automatic, spontan-
eous. They didn't get in that way. And I like tried to
like, well what do you want to call it, creative imagery,
maybe. I tried to ay, oh well, maybe they pounded it
open with a sledgehammer and a wedge. And I saw, and I
created this guy- bang! bang! on the, on the dial. No.
That doesn't fit. It just went right away. Okay. Maybe
they torched it open and I imagined a big- they big
cylinders and hydrogen and oxygen cylinders of a big torch
apparatus and everything. No, that just disapear+ed. It
wasn't substantive. There was no, no material. truth to
those type of things. So I said, well obviously I'm
fighting the problem. They obviously got in without using
a forced entry metheod. They got in somehow, uh, in a
quasi-routine manner.
#66:
Okay...
#10.5: And there was absolutely no damage is the point I want to
make. Then- and I was saying here's another spontaneous
thing abouth the safes. As I was looking at the one of
the right and the first minute I found the safe the top
drawer was open. You know, I didn't look at safes and then
manufacture somebody come over and open the drawer. It was
that standing free that way and there was nobody around it.
#66: Okay.
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#10.5: The first time I saw it. And I looked at the left hand
safe, which I think is a little bit shorter, and I said-
so I just spontaneously zoomed in on this black dial with
the butterfly in it and everything, and the throw lever
was obviously in a upward position and I just spontaneously
knew that that one was open too. But that they just weren't
screwing around with it right now and they had all the
drawers closed...
And I couldn't find a third safe. You know, there was
not three in a row, there was no little field safe or some-
thing hidden or stuck in the floor or anything like that.
So I'm sort of, all throughtout the session I was conju4a-
ting about, well4h? said there was three safes in here,
I don't know where the hell the third safe is, I.gantt
see it, it's not obvious. And I don't want to make it
there. And I happened to notice that this girl wearing
white was on the other side of the room to the left of this
door that I say is over there, screwing around in the top,
and just, that was spontaneous too. She's standing at a
single big box, cabinet box, screwing around in a file
drawer, a top file drawer again I said, well maybe that's
what they're talkin' about. So I went over there and I
said but this isn't a safe, it doesn't look like the other
two. That's when I decided that it really was like a file
cabinet with a paracentric lock, that was being called a
safe.
#66: Okay, do you-
#10.5: But it really wasn't a safe as I know it.
#66: Are you of the opinion then that I told you there was
three safes in there?
#10.5: Ye s..
366: Okay.
#10.5: Yeah, I am. We'll have to go back and listen to the tape.
#66: Okay.
#10.5: I don't know if you said that or not now that you asked
the question. But there's, you know, where was this other
thing over there and I said well, that's obviously what's
being called a safe in this case, is this. And it's got
the little paracentric lock on it, it's all U.S. type
equipment. Okay... All right.
I'll go to sketch two. I don't know if you want to pause
or not 'cause this is gonna be a whole end view of the'
room. We've got a whole half thing here anywai:.......
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#66: We've answered, you know, pretty much the essential ques-
tions. Do you feel there's something else that you want to
express here in the-
#10.5: Well, I think that there's a rat rig in there.
#66: Okay.
#10.5: Okay. I believe that the rat rig terminal is behind the
partition that's visible in the targeting photograph.
Okay. For validation purposes it might be worthwhile. ?KQ1
Uhl I would like to do a overview of the floor where I
believe this activity to occur. I believe it's in a multi-
floored "L" shaped building that's essentially white, or
it comes through white because I got outside and looked at
it. That might be useful for validation purposes.
Uhl the, I call it a rat rig, I think it was a rat rig, and
as a matter of fact, we talk about audio input, I heard
the rat rig bell go bing! the minute I saw it. I looked,
and I said, gee that looks like a, some sort of a thing on
a desk, and then all of a sudden I, it was just aut.omatic
it was a teletype keyboard and I heard, you know, the little
warning bell go bing! when it- you know, when it operates
it works that way you know. Um...
#66: Could you draw, rather than in a three dimensional perspec-
tive, can you give me a two dimensional perspective of the
situation.
#10.5: Yeah, that's a good idea... That's a good idea. Okay...
And that'll go right hand and glove with the floor plans
anyway.
#10.5: It's not a file cabinet, it's a wall ...wall unit, double-
with double wall fife cabinet, I'll call it, but it's not
a file cabinet, it's a, like what we've got. Barracks
cabinet. Barracks locker. I'll call it a wall locker.
This is a four drawer... cabinet with...when I say pars
centric mode I mean something, some cheap crap type lick
like that, I don't necessarily mean a paracentric. I
thought it was a paracentric, but it's...but I, I mean it's
some cheap old minimum security type of four drawer file
cabinet. Woman in white...going through top......... O'
Duplicating. machine is down the hall 25 feet......Okay,
and sort of like right here.....two safes. Mosler type
top. This is the man. The man is accessing the safe
from there, and is moving out smartly across and down
the hall. And, uh, I don't know what's down here. These
are the desks.... picture hangs on the wall there. Map
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#10.5: hangs there. Some sort of a platform there. This is
where the clock is. And this is the desk..... And this
exit area, how did it go? It went out straight, made a
90 degree curve to my right, that's as I was going back-
wards. And I had the feeling that when you came in this
other door this room was the last place you could go in,
and in fact you had to walk through the room to get out
into the hall, okay? What I mean is, uh...just like this,
if you were walking from the lower left of sketch two up
this hall you were going to this room. And you either had
to go, there was no way you could turn off in the near
proximity. There were no other room doors around that.
It was like I was on the inside of some sort of a maze of
rooms. And I actually would have to go through this room
to get out into the hallway in order to go somewhere else.
And this is where the photo was taken from, was that...
Call that target photo.
And the other end of the room is essentially blank because
I worked either here, and then when I ended up getting my
back to safes then I was trying to put everything into
perspective.
#66: Okay..........
#10.5: Okay, so that's like an overhead layout. Oh, okay. And
this desk here, when you asked me if there was any- to
describe the room which did give me a little problem,
'cause I didn't know whether it should be described as
changes from the target photograph era, whenever that was,
or if it was.like changes since I had been there type
situation. The only change is virtual, virtually no
change. I didn't see any massive destruction or reorgan-
ization or looting or pillaging or anything like that.
The only thing that was like the left hand desk was a
little canted like it'd been shoved a litt~e bit out of
the way to allow more, more freedom of access between
these two desks down here. And I've shown it in sketch
two as being canted'thusly, but I had the feeling that they
were...right side by side when I started the session.
And that the only thing I saw that looked like disarray
was the feeling of- that's disarray not Desiree, was, uh,
papers somewhat strewn on top of the desks, like almost
as though people were working there, you know, not stacks
of papers and envelopes but just like four or five. beets
sort of helter skelter on top,of the desk each.
#66: Okay....
#10.5: Okay. The only other thing that I could do would be the
the building I felt was, uh...I felt that I was in maybe
a three or four story relatively modern building which
appeared a light or white, didn't appear dark or baroque
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#10.5: which is what I would, you know, ornate in any way. It's
modern, um, plain office building. I had the feeling that
I wad in some sort of interior part iof the complex. I
was not in a room that had anything to do with the window
that I could look out of. And that the building, okay, it
was white and that it was, uh...sort of "L" shaped, but not
pronouncedly so... Three is it. And there, where I was
was about on a third or fourth floor somewhere in the thick-
interior thick part of the "L" where the "X" is. And that
I was on about a third or fourth floor of a' ree or four
story building. I didn't even try to figure out where I
was, I just left it at that .............
And these people where not dressed shabbily in any way.
They were not dressed in manual labor clothes. They were
dressed in nice business costumes. The old guy with the-
at the safes, 55 or so, he's about 5'6", he has a widow's
peak, dark hair, wears glasses that have speckles on the
frames like those semi-clear plastic, sort of a narrow
face, was wearing like a brown tweed suit, tie the whole
works, right? Business office types and the woman was
about 25 or 26, had brownish, bsc.,~ t#- hair which was
shoulder length and was wearing a nice white, um, blouse,
open at the, open at the waist, you know, on top of her
skirt type thing with sort of like billowing, not real
puffy exorbitant sleeves, but sort of billowing sleeves
with cuffs on 'em down around her wrists and had a wh;-i-+:.
skirt. You know, a nice pleated type wh*e skirt that you
would expect some secretary to find, or something like that.
Or to wear, rather.
#66: You did state at one time that you thought it was peculiar
that they were duplicating these documents in bulk?
#10.5: Yeah. The reason is because the atmosphere of these peo-
ple. These people- you know, all throughout the session
I didn't know who the hell these people were. They
could've been people that worked there for all I know.
You know, despiteel,ding surreptitiousness or whatever.
If they were people that worked there then obviously they
would know what it is they wanted if they were stealing
documents and reproducing them for some nefarious reasons,
so I would have expected them to be a little more selectic-
selective, right? But no, they were- they weren't just
pulling individual files and taking them away. I didn't
actually see them doing any Xerox, now. I knew that they
were going to have them Xeroxed and that the place was
25 feet down the hall, but I didn't out there and visit
it, I just sort of went- okay, it's around the corner and
over there and I, you know, it was just one of these
quick things.
Uh, so them you would think then that they-were outsiders
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#{10.5: and then you would say, well outsiders probably wouldn't
be dressed like t s,,~~ b t only outsiders would have to
Xerox everyth i r o .e ave to duplicate everything,
because they really wouldn't have the time and the know-
ledge to go in and find precisely what it was they wanted
copies of and everything, Okay?
So that was sort of the quandry I was in, so I said to hell
with it, you know, that's what they're doin', they're
taking out sections of the file drawer, they're not taking
out individual things, and let somebody else worry about
who it is that's doing it, and where they're coming from.
#66: Okay. Is there anything else you want to add?
#10.5: No. Is there anything more that I talked about that I've
forgotten?
#66: Not that I recall....... _j C, WWa~
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#10.5: Okay. I'll change this,VI'll add this. I have on sketch
one desk shifted a little out of line. Noticed...only
when asked, re: change.A There you have it.
#66: Okay. 'a~J?
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REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION D-39
1. (S/NOFORN) Prior to the session the viewer was briefed on the aspects of
his mission. This briefing is included as part of the transcript in this
report.
2. (S/NOFORN) During the session the viewer was asked to focus on critical
aspects Of his descriptions.
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