SUMMARY ANALYSIS REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION CCC18

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• Publication Date: March 8, 1980
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SUMMARY ANALYSIS
REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION CCC18
1. (S) This report documents a remote viewing session conducted in
compliance with a request for information on an event of interest.
2. (S) The viewer appeared very relaxed and had no trouble concen-
trating on the task at hand. There was no noticeable ambient room
noise during this session. During this session the viewer was asked
to remote view an event which took place sometime in April 1979.
3. (S) The protocol used for this session is detailed in the
document, Grill Flame Protocol, AMSAA Applied Remote Viewing
Protocol (S), undated.
4. (5) Following is a transcript of the viewer's impressions
during the remote viewing session. At TAB A are drawings made by
the viewer reference his impressions of the target location.
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REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION REPORT CCC18
#14: This will be a remote viewing session for 8 March 1980.
The on-target time is 1030 hours.
SG1A
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All right, #10.5, the time is now 1030. I have a set
of space/time coordinates that relate to our target today.
Coordinates are:
April 1979.
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I want you now to relax. Focus your attention on the
latter half of April 1979. Sometime during this period
a significant event occurred. I want you now to describe
this event.
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+01 #10.5: I'm in some kind of I have a feeling of a .
a earth . . . . I'm in a . . . . I'm in a cone . . into
the earth. Like a shaft of some kind, I think. When you
started me working, I had . . a . . vision of a . . .
tree shape cloud or . . something like that. But I'm .
I'm down in this cone or . . . stack. . . .
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It seems like maybe 50 feet deep, its metal lined and I
can see . . . tubes and wires and lines and things all
around. Then a deck carved into the side.
Like you can, like a place where people can walkout and
look into this big vertical tube. And beneath me . . .
+05 there is . . . a rounded bottom in this tube.
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#14: Look for an event. Describe the event.
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#10.5: I don't know. Sitting at maybe 500 feet up looking at
what appears to be a very soft cluster of light colored
buildings. From the one building is a . . is what I
think is a stack. . . Now there's . . . I was sitting
there looking at it and it disappeared in a cloud of
dust.
#14: What caused this event?
#10.5: I had a feeling it was a explosion of some kind. It was
inside because. . . the . . . I had the feeling for a . .
when you told me to look and then. . I started
out on the balcony that I talked about, I saw . . . .
a working of a . . rods that . . . seemed wrong
and I was getting feeling of urgent evacuation.
And then I was at footing and just very spontaneously just
disappeared in a round cloud.
+10 The word, critical,
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#14: Describe the results of this event.
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#10.5: There There I'm getting this feeling
that . . . . I . . . . I see a . . . . hole now. See a
hole. But I do not feel that the entire complex is gone.
Rather the hole is where the stack was and the latter, the
rear part of the installation, is appears that there is
a structure remaining which is part of the former "L" shape
which is in my foreground. But I do have a . . very vacant
vacuous feeling. Debris feeling. A destroyed feeling.
Some sort of a hole where the stack was. And the rear
part is gone now. I had to move myself in time. . . to get
this.
#14: That's okay. That's very good.
+15 #10.5: I look forward. I'm just getting very fleeting
imagery. But it is a . . . empty. I have a feeling of
that its not occupied.
I don't know. It seems baren around the tube of this place.
. . . is not in the complex. It is or was out in a plains
area with what appeared to be a . . . possibly large city
some fifteen or twenty miles to the South or Southwest.
But I have the feeling that the population of that is safe
and was never in much danger. But the population of the
people who work here was. And I . . . recall imagery of
them exiting hastily, I thought.
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#10.5: Move me back to my time date.
Now let me relax.
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#14: I want you to move back to the event that occurred
the latter half of April 1979. I have no further
questions for you. If you have anything that seems
important that you would like to add, feel free.
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+19 #10.5: I am, again, on the ground.
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I feel that I'm . . . inside a . . . fence compound
that contains this structure. The vegetation is low,
if at all. The compound does not appear much larger
than the . . buildings.
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Its, again, central flavor of this. . its an "L" shape
series, several story buildings, they're light colored.
But again, the central feature of this place is ? ? ? ?
this . . pinched stack. A WASP waste stack.
PAUSE
+21 And there is at the base of this stack
a rounded core . . . which fits nicely into the . .
base of the stack. I'm looking down on this thing from
a . . . platform.
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It is a . . . . I'm getting a feel for a reactor of
some type. The thing which is the core is
is out of metal - shielded. Has a very peculiar extra
cap on top. Which looks almost light a huge nipple.
Nipple shaped object.
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+25 #14: Explain in more detail, what caused this event.
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#10.5: It has something to do with . . . a . . . appeared to
be a . . . bank of rods which are operated. I'm only
seeing a part. But these rods are operated pneumatically
. . hydraulically. . . They are like the tines on a
fork. I mean, like the tines on a rake. And they are
about three inches in diameter. And they are like pistons.
They slide in and out of . . . a row of holes and its . .
when you said that, the thought of broken fuel rods
entered my mind but I could not see anything really
broken. But these seemed to work on a overhead hydraulic
system and they seemed to all move in one load. Possibly
eight or nine on a rake. They slide into the large chamber.
I really cannot see anything. I wouldn't know anything
wrong. I'm looking around in this long bay where I am
where this is occurring; there are no people here.
There's no persons here. I feel I'm all alone in the
+27 core area. And that whatever happened, happened in there.
Was a long. . seems to be a long hallway. I don't know.
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Okay. That's about it. I've faded.
#14: Okay. I want you now to relax.
#10.5: And return.
#14: Close your eyes. Slowly return to the present, to today,
8 March 1980. 11 o'clock.
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#10.5: First thing zeroing in was that there was. . . I was
zeroing in on a weird cloud formation that was down on
the ground level. That was the first imagery that I had.
That was . . .
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Just like that. And that down beneath this thing, it was
like it was smoke coming out of a chimney, something of
that sort. You know, how it will go up into the atmosphere
and it will reach and inversion layer and it will hang and
it will sort of spread out. That type of flavor. And that
down and under this thing was, you know, some sort of a
vague outline like that.
#6.5: How large an area would you say that was covering?
#10.5: This complex?
#6.5: No, the cloud.
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#10.5: Oh the clouds. Not. . . a huge area. It was like
oh, the cloud, cloud. . . an area like power plant
size. Not a cloud that would be . . . not a cloud
that would be a huge thing, cumulonimbus roaring
along that's maybe 20 miles long and forty miles wide.
Not that. It was like a mile by a mile and a half.
It was like a . . . you know, like I was saying, it
was like accumulated smoke in an inversion area from some
furnace or something like that. Okay.
#6.5: Okay.
#10.5: All right. That was all I had. That was the first
thing and then boom, I found myself inside this rounded
V-shape cone like an inverted cone, upside down cone
shape. I mean, no, no, like an ice cream cone the
way you hold it regularly, the V at the bottom. Shaped,
rounded thing.
PAUSE
Like this. That came down. . . How am I going to draw
this thing now. It was coming down like this, okay,
and this . . . there were rows and rows of
of lines around this thing.
PAUSE
This is like a cut-away. Number 2 is like a cut-away.
. . of this cone. Okay. And it was . . industrial gray.
It was flashes of some porcelain. It had exterior pipes.
You know, hanging on the inside of this open cone like.
Was pipes and like maybe gas lines and fuel lines and
hydraulic lines, but little stuff. Big stuff too. Yeah,
now that I think about it, big stuff as well. It was as
though somebody had never put the interior liner on a
. . . on something. Okay, they never put the interior
insulating thing on.
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And the only thing which is really . . . other than that. .
okay, the only thing which is a feeling about . . is up
here at this level is a cut-away. . . in the
circle. Okay. There was a balcony. The people could
look out and look down. Okay. Down the tunnel. When they
looked down the tunnel, what they saw was something that
was just like cone shape inverted sphere, the upper part
of a sphere, okay, that later on seemed to have some kind
of a cap stone on it like this. If you follow what I mean.
A cap sphere on top of the thing. So that when you looked
at the whole thing, it looked nipple shaped.
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#10.5: And this was dark. This was all dark metal.
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What another one? Resupply coming in here.
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Okay, and like I was saying, there's all sorts of lines
in this thing and they're in all sorts of stuff. Just
paraphenalia - garbage all around this thing, so that
you can see it go off and around like that. You know,
. . . these are for instances. These are not things
that I actually saw in detail but these are examples of
lines. . . and like hydraulic tubes and things. Okay.
This type of thing. And what did I say, its industrial
gray.
PAUSE
Some porcelain facing. Or shining stuff, porcelain like
you know, like tile. Okay.
Okay.
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That was the second shot, okay.And, oh, the size of this
thing is . . . the feeling of the size on this is that
this is maybe. . this is maybe . . . . forty feet here.
And that this is . . . possibly as wide as forty feet
across the top. Okay. Later, when I was standing on the
balcony and looking down I felt like I was looking about
25 feet down into this thing.
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The next thing I worked was the balcony itself. . . which
is this gentle curve feeling, okay. Actually its not that
large so I'll have to make this higher. You see what I mean,
its not that . . its not as large. . . as it appears in this
because this fence/gate or whatever it is . . this railing
that goes around the balcony, okay is like waist high. So
a man standing behind it would make it . . because anyway
I had the feeling of several people . . several men. . . I
had this clinical feeling, like white coat, lab, lab type
of feeling. Lab gown, lab shirt type of feeling, okay.
Standing here. This is a tunic, you know, whatever, smock.
Several men standing here.
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#10.5: And they're looking down. . . Okay, below is this
big rounded object down here.
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Okay. And . . again, the circular feeling all the way
down, like this. And again, all around them, these
pipes and. . . and like . . steamlines and whatever that
go way down there.
PAUSE
Okay. The feeling at first was very much as though I
was standing in a missile silo or something of that
sort. Just rounded. . . definite feeling of cone shape.
But I felt that I was above ground. Okay, I did not
feel that I was below ground. I felt that I was above
ground. Even . . when I was at this level. Okay.
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And this is the balcony.
All right. Then, I was out. . . I moved back out of the
place to get a feel for what it was shaped like and
everything. And I had a general feeling of this type of
an L shape. . . This is sort of an aerial view now . ? ?
PAUSE
And this is like. I'll draw sets of windows in this
building here to make it appear . . its only about
two stories high and the feeling is as though this
building goes off. Somehow its connected to another
building very close like. Okay, to make the general
feeling of an L. And then this building in the back gets
very technical. It gets very humble-jumble. As though
there's a small abuttment, I think and the building goes
up here at this level and it has this shape in it here
coming out of it.
PAUSE
Like that. Something like this. Its essentially an L
shape with a stack sticking out of the base of the L.
All right. I was sitting there just very nicely looking
at this. . . Oh and . . . Okay, yeah, well, there's . . .
its. . . That's all there is.
I did not see a big clutter of building or town or city
- its out by itself in my feeling and its just surrounded
by a fence and that's it.
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#10.5: Okay, and I was sitting there, you know, at a couple
hundred feet I guess looking at this thing from an angle.
And, the back . . or the whole thing just disappeared
in a explosion idea. It was just like there was this
vast. . this vaporizing. Okay. Okay. Then, it was
like somebody took a cup and put a cup down over it.
I couldn't see anything because there was this expanding
cup going "0000p" just like that, just like the classic
shots of whatchamacallit atol when we were testing the
H Bomb and everything else. Okay.
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Okay. Then #14 asked me what was the result? Okay, this
feeling Of what was the result. So, I had to slip myself
a little bit. I self slipped myself, I guess. Self slip.
Self.
A little bit because I didn't feel that I was . because
of. . sort of the shock of the surprise of seeing this
imagery which I didn't know was good or bad or not, I
decided to slip a little bit in time and see what the
place looked like then. Okay.
And in slipping an unknown amount in time, because I
. . . didn't say, you know, to myself, go five days or
go whatever. I said, move in time so you can see what
this thing looks like afterwards.
PAUSE
I still ended up with this . . with a feeling of a
catastrophic event, but that the . . but that in the
meantime, excavation had happened and they had gone in
there and they had managed to clean up most of the crap.
Maybe dumped it back into the hole or whatever. There
had been some type of an activity to clear it, but they
had not yet torn down all the other places. You know,
the one's that were destroyed but were still standing.
Okay.
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edge of explosion but possible an accidentail detination
of something which had certainly wiped out the rear end
of the complex where it occurred. But it didn't necessarily
totally obliterate things that were on the front end.
So I . . Because I still ended up with this feeling of
of this building, you know, being here, like
that, being all destroyed. You know. Being wiped out.
Not habitable - but still standing. Okay, but this is
the tail end of this building here and that the stuff where
the stack was and everything was, was gone. Or had already
b rn_down and had been .
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#6.5: This damage, could you see that from your perspective,
from looking downward, could you see that there had
been damage to the structure?
#10.5: Yes. I think so. I think so. Now, the curious thing
is, not the curious thing, but I have to qualify what
I'm saying right here. Okay, is because I, of course,
I have to question all this. I have to question the
whole thing, right. The feeling of "boom" was very
spontaneous, but whether it was an explosion or a
radiation, that . . . is something that an analyst will
have to figure out because I would imagine that a sudden
emition of radition that would totally obliterate a lab
would . . could come through psychically as being "wh000sh"
you know, this same type of a feeling. So, I don't know
what the story is, all I know is that several. . . some
period of time went by and I returned during the
mission and I had the feeling of a hole. Okay. But I
also had the feeling that, well, at that time, you could
certainly tell that the buildings had been destroyed.
But these buildings, at that time, when I returned,
these buildings were not being inhabited and they were
of no longer any use. So whether they are even there
today, I don't know, because we're dealing with a years
period of time.
PAUSE
And . . you know, debris. Debris laying about.
But, impression. . that some clean-up
had. had already occurred or had begun. Okay.
PAUSE
That's. . . That's it for that. Now. I had feelings
of just . . associated with this, just before . when
I was sort of like wandering out, #14 said, what was
the significant event. I was wandering around looking
for some significant event to happen and I had a feeling
of some urgency - began to feel. I had a feeling of
people leaving the area. And I was sitting there and I
was saying, Oh that's cool, you know, its the end of
break. You know, or works over for the day, you know,
or whatever the story is. And I was sort of sitting
there at a couple hundred feet looking at the complex
and this feeling came through. Okay, then I returned
and that put me back in the time slot. I guess. I
asked that because I wanted to let him know that I
had wandered away, right. So #14 put me back in the time
slot. And, the feelings that I had were . . . or the .
I was somewhere down below. I was somewhere interior
to this, like down and under the workings of this stack
in Sketch 4. I was down in the building beneath it.
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#10.5: And there was a feeling of a . . . first I was. .
Yeah, okay, that's what I did, I went down through
. . went down and under. I had the feeling of a
blank, shiney metal wall. Sort of a caverness area
almost. A blank. . . . somewhat shiney metal wall.
Of some good size, six or eight Feet. And the thing
I can describe this to be is a rake like thing.
There were sets of holes in this wall. I felt that
no humans went here or seldom went here. Okay.
PAUSE
What have I got, I said seven or eight I think. .
during the session.
#14: Eight or nine.
#10.5: Eight or nine, okay, I'll put down eight, okay.
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And, that I had the feeling broken . . I had the feeling
of a broken rod that was being stuck in one of these
holes was the cause of what had happened. Because he
asked me what was the cause and I had this feeling
of a big rod being placed in this hole sort of automatic-
ally but I couldn't see what it was yet. And that this
rod was broken. There was something the matter with
it and that was the cause. But I didn't see any break
or anything like that but I had the feeling that this
thing was in error. Okay. And this was an automated
thing so that if I was . . this is a front look. Front
look. And this is a side here. Here is this wall thing.
This goes down into the distance and there are these holes
along it. Okay. And that protruding from these holes are
these rods which are on some sort of an automatic loader
which comes up like this, hydraulic and which goes off in
the distance. Okay. And that this things slides, auto-
matedly slides. . . these rods in the hole. No man walks
up and slides them in, this machine comes from way across
this open area and slides these things in. Okay. So we
end up with . . . I have this feeling of this machine.
Massive metal, like a metal rake that's broken, like a
hand. This. This metal rake slides these things in.
Okay, here is a rod sticking. . . the rod being fed into
the hole there, rod there, rod for each one of these
things. And this, this bar or whatever was the middle
has several supports in it like this. You know, sturdy
metal supports like this and this thing in turn comes
here into the foreground. . . like that. Okay. And
that here is this here sticking across this open room.
Is that. Okay.
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#10,5: And like these things pick rods and load them in
or at least, either loads them in or adjusts them
in and out or something like that. But anyway, that's
what I was looking at. That's . . .
#14: Do you have a feeling for the position of the rod
that was defective?
#10.5: Well, no not really. It was on an end thing. It was
on an end. I had various. . . you know, as soon as I
felt broken rod then I started manufacturing various
things that were wrong, you know. Internal broke or
out of alignment or the machine messed up and it broke
one as it went in or something like that. You know. So,
I really don't know.
#6.5: So you think that's where the accident or whatever took
place?
#10.5: Percipitated. Yeah. Was the cause. What caused this.
#6.5: What time of day did this Occur.
#10.5: I don't know. I don't know.
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It was hard to tell. Like I said this is in an area
where they're aren't even any people. So, I don't
know. It could have been before that. You know, it
would have been several days before my target date.
Or it could have been right then, barn, just like that.
#6.5: Okay, well let me rephrase that then. You are standing
outside observing and all of a sudden boom, what time
was that?
#10.5: Well, I have the feeling that that was daylight at the
local place because usually I sense whether . . . I
don't even talk about it but I sense whether I'm day
or night. I had the feeling that I was . . that it was
daylight. I had the feeling like it was . . . well,
any feeling would come through like that.
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1030 in the morning. Late morning, not noon. But if
I had to take a stab, just a pure guess sitting here on
this sofa, I'd say 1030 in the morning, somewhere around
that.
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#10.5: Okay, let me do you . . . where this thing, where
six is, I'll put in seven. Its like here is this
wall. Or bank of stuff or whatever it is. I had
the feeling that the big roundness was up here.
But, not really visible, but not really visible
but that the big roundness was up here.
PAUSE
Some distance. . some catwalk feeling.
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Some feeling of glass here. Say, say, glass that
observers of the work would . . would use and . .
this machine. . . moving, I don't know how it moves,
I can't say. It moves back and forth as a minimum.
The machine, the machine facing. . . services by
moving back and forth at least but where it goes to
get the rods or anything like that I didn't see or
whether it goes up and down as well or sideways, I
didn't see anything like that. But this is some
distance. I had the feeling this was maybe
Oh, 25 feet away, okay. This is 25 foot open area.
PAUSE
And the feeling of this wall being curved up higher.
And I'll just label this as bank of holes.
PAUSE
Like that. And this machine here that's in Sketch 6
is what goes in and out of those things.
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And I do have a feel for the geographic area. Let
me just do a little quick one. All right, that's
Sketch 8. That there are . . . is essentially a
plains area but there are some hills, which cardinal
direction, I don't know. Well, wait a minute.
Wait a minute. I said a town to the Southwest, I
think. Hills. Okay, this is essentially just a big
bowl or big plains area I guess. Okay, and this, the
installation is out here by itself. Okay. And that
its'. . . I had the feeling it was only serviced by a
single road and that it was 20 to 25 miles maybe to a
city of some good size. 250,000 people. Good size
city out there but that what happened there did not
hurt the city. Now, they didn't . . if there was an
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#10.5: emergency happening, they didn't have to tell the
city about it. Because what happened out there was
cool, you know, the place got wasted, that's all
right, probably nobody in town would even know that
it happened.
To a medium size . . . to the Southwest and this is
open plain.
Hills and these are hills, they are not mountains.
Complex all alone. Isolated.
Those are some quick feelings I had.
Okay.
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#6.5: Do you, again, (not audible) maybe some of this will
be going over some of the data that you had. What
was the explosion or whatever it was inside the structure?
(Not audible) some kind of occurence that occured outside
that affected you, came from within.
#10.5: Yes, I feel it was internal to the building. An emergency
situation inside that resulted in a catastrophic .
#6.5: Then you said you had a feeling of urgent evacuation?
#10.5: Um hm. Like all the . . all the loose bodies, all the
loose odds and ends that didn't actually have to be
there were like okay, guys, get out of here. Had the
feeling of numbers of people leaving - not panicked, but
hurried. And it seemed unusual, because you know, at
first I said this maybe, this might have the feeling for
why I gave the time of the event. And it may have to do
with the evacuation instead of the actual accident
because I was saying, I was sitting there saying, Oh, well,
you know, its just lunch hour, all these guys are just
going to the cafeteria. And I said, No, they are not
just going to the cafeteria, there's something wrong
and this is why they are all leaving. Okay, so that
sort of deletes the lunch hour time period as being
when the thing happened because it was
#6.5: Okay, but on the other hand I got confused because
when #14 asked you the result of this, you stated
that you saw the hole but the entire complex not gone
but you had the feeling of not being occupied. And I
wasn't quite sure. . . I'm trying to tie these things
together. Like you said you have a feeling of not being
occupied okay.
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#10.5: Yeah, that was . .
#6.5: I didn't know if one preceded the other or . .
#10.5: Yeah, the evacuation was first. Okay. #14 asked
me what significant event and I was seeing some
people leave and I decided that that wasn't. . . that
it was an emergency, it wasn't lunch hour and I backed
off and I was looking at the place from a couple
hundred feet and it went boom. Then #14 asked me in
the session, I think, some sords to the effect of
what is the result of all this.
#6.5: Um hm.
#10.5: And I had to move myself in time. I moved later in time.
After everything. And I went back and that's when I
saw the hole and that's when I saw the damaged, wiped-
out buildings, but still standing. And it was nobody
there. But, it was as though people came there to
clean up but nobody stayed there. There was no work
going on because everything had been ruined.
#6.5: You said that the population of that city was not in
danger. (Not audible). But the population within the
complex was in danger and I'd say from what?
#10.5: From the emergency. That's why they left. All the
useless odds and ends, you know the people that punch
typewriters type people and the people that run the
elevator type people - they were told to leave and so
they left the complex.
#6.5: I still want you to define what the danger was that
they had to leave from. Why? Okay.
#10.5: I think that they knew that there was going to be some
sort of a critical problem arising in the complex so
they got rid of all the. . . they told all the people
that need not stay there and get killed to leave. So
they evacuated the place. That's what I'm trying to
get across. Is that coming across?
#6.5: No. It is and it isn't. Yes, I . . I . . hear what
you're saying and understand and everything. I'm
still trying to understand, why is it that I must
leave the area.
#10.5: Because there was going to be the explosion or there
might be the explosion. See that happened all first,
before the explosion.
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#10.5: So there was this evacuation. And I was sitting
there looking at the complex and then it . . was
wiped out.
#14: Maybe I can help. Just after you described
the urgent evacuation, quote unquote, you said it
was critical, something critical, that seemed to
be a key word.
#6.5: Um hm.
#10.5: Okay.
#14: Maybe that had something to do . .
#10.5: Yeah. I have the feeling, Boss, that this. . . there
was this emergency, they knew that there was an
emergency, it didn't catch them with their pants
down. They knew that there was a problem and they
sent everybody packing that didn't have to stay and
work on the emergency.
#6.5: Okay.
#10.5: So the people packed and they booked and then the
emergency progressed and progressed and it ended up
in some sort of a catastrophic explosion or something
like that. But that the people in town that were 25
miles away - they weren't endangered. The people knew
or the feeling was that whatever went wrong there would
just be a little H000mp" - it wouldn't be a huge
humongous explosion that would wipe out . . . .
#6.5: Do you have a feeling then of how many casualties
resulted?
#10.5: No.
#6.5: If any?
#10.5: No, I have no feeling for that.
#6.5: Do you have a feeling of what the area is like now?
#10.5: Today, no.
#6.5: Okay, that's all the questions I have.
#10.5: Okay.
#14: Is there anything else you'd like to add?
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#10.5: No, but I had forgotten about that critical.
#14: It seemed to be a key word type thing.
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