INSCOM GRILL FLAME PROGRAM SESSION REPORT

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• Document Number (FOIA) /ESDN (CREST): CIA-RDP96-00788R000200330001-4
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• Document Creation Date: November 4, 2016
• Document Release Date: April 4, 2000
• Sequence Number: 1
• Publication Date: April 1, 1980
• Content Type: REPORT

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GRILL FLAME
PROGRAM
CLASSIFIED BY: MSG, DAMI-ISN
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REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION CCC-41
1. (S) This report documents a remote viewing session conducted in
compliance with a request for information on.a target of interest.
2. (5) This session represents this viewer's third attempt at this
target area (see CCC25 and CCC33). The viewer was able to attain his
usual state of relaxed concentration and focus on the target. He
stated that he was undisturbed by ambient room noise which was '~'o Ert rE
3. (S) The protocol used for this session is detailed in the document,
Grill Flame Protocol, AMSAA Applied Remote Viewing Protocol (S), undated.
4. (S) Following is a transcript of the viewer's impressions during
the remote viewing session. At TAB A are drawings made by the viewer
reference his impressions of the target site. At TAB B is target cuing
information provided the viewer with analyst's comments.
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REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION CCC-41
#28: This will be a remote viewing session for 0900 hours,
1 April 1980.
Relax and concentrate now. Relax and concentrate.
Relax, relax, relax. Focus your attention on the
photograph that I have shown you. Move your awareness
specifically to the area designated as
SG1A
Move now in space/time to the target at 1000 hours,
target time 1 April 1980.
Focus your attention on the target building. Move
now to the northeast end of the building. Focus,
focus. Penetrate the northeast end of the building.
Focus, relax and concentrate and describe the function
of the target to me.
+04 #01: Oh..... I'm looking at a....looks like a large door.
Appears to be maybe..uh..40 feet tall. Sort of
railroad going into the building. Behind the door
are..uh..it's a huge loading ramp. I see a......
looks like .....it's a rotatable section of floor,
and there's sections of track Appears to be large,
high concrete... loading ramp,and there's..uh..looks
like some kind of big trucks parked on the ramp
inside the building. Think that the trucks are made
here. There's a special kind of truck made in the
building.
#28: Tell me what makes you say that.
#01: There's..uh..what appears to be these new, these new
trucks. They got metal shielding on 'em and there's
some kind of a cover that,.-.tike a length wise cover
and it's smooth and it goes down the back of the truck.
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They look like trucks, but they're funny looking too.
Some kind of a off-center nose. I keep-seeing....
at the end of this, this, this shield like thing that
goes down the back of the trucks, I keep seeing this
..uh..looks like sort of a ball and a cone type affair.
Looks alot like a ball on the end of a cone. That's
towards the back of the truck. There's very large clamp
like devices on the back of this truck that hold this,
this like shield. It's like shielding on it. Get a
strong impression that in this building they're working
with ...... this part of the building is where they use
..uh..well machined metal.This strong impression that
metal, rough molded metal comes into the building and
it's finely machined he~e. They're doing fine machine
work here. Refining rough made parts, or something.
Putting something together from further machine parts.
Think maybe the trucks are assembled here, but, but
the truck is not the major thing that's made. What's
made here is what the truck carries, I think.Something
to do with alloy. There's a special alloy of metal
that's used here too.
#28: Explain the raw data that makes you say this.
#01: Uh...I keep looking for roughly smelted metal, and
I keep getting a more refined type of metal being used
in this building, and yet they're refining it even
more by machining. It's like the word molybdenum
or something like that keeps coming in my mind. Like
a very hardened steel of some sort. You know. Like
a highly polished defect-free form of steel is being
used here, and I keep getting these cone and ball type
combinations, and..uh.. There's something to do with
a truck. There's a specially designed truck for....
maybe the'truck's used for moving things inside. I
don't know, but there's a specially designed truck for
combining with this...I don't, I don't, I'm losing.....
#28: I want you to relax again. Focus your attention on
this area. Don't work too much on analyzing what you
see. Simply report what you see. Focus your attention
solely on the interior of the northeast to the building.
Tell me more about what you see in there. Careful not
to analyze.
PAUSE
#01: I see this loading ramp and they're heavy concrete
ramps that go up to this loading ramp, and there's
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....I see like these cog wheels by the side of the
ramps. They're either drawing something up the ramp
or whatever goes up the ramp fits into these cog wheels.
There's high ceiling with....looks like some kind of
apparatus is hanging from the ceiling. Appears to be a
second floor to the building but there's holes cut in
the floor or what would be the overhead roof. There's.
holes there with structured ramps and things going
through the halls. There are tall black objects that
go through these halls. Some kind of....look like they
might be roof supports. They're tall and round.
#28: Move up to the roof and look down at the area underneath
you. Describe it to me.
#01: I'm looking at......I'm getting two images. I feel
like when I go to the roof of this room and look down
.I see this ramp or series of ramps in this loading
dock type affair with a pattern of tracks and like a
almost interior parking bya of some sort. When I go
backwards into the roof structure I see..uh..an oval
hole in the floor and this large, large support thing.
This black support thing comingl coming through there.
Sort of a key-hole type design to the right. Almost
appears to be a delicate..uh..sort of a delicate cage
like structure next to the support. I don't know how
to describe that.
#28: Tell me what's down on the ground.
#01: There's..uh..ceil. It's just like a large bay. I
don't...I get the impression I'm seeing a big truck
park of some sort but it's under the ceiling-and
there's these.....uh...some kind of these covered
shields like are stacked along..uh..I don't know what
it is. Some kind of a slide ramp like affair by the
trucks.
#28: Tell me about these covered shields.
#01: It's like tubes inside tubes; pipes inside pipes.
I don't...they look alot like......I don't know.
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+20 #01: I don't know. They're curved on the top. They're
painted dark metal;.and they're long and thin and
they got like flat sides. For some reason I keep
associating the cones and the balls with these.
#28: Touch them; feel them; explore them. Tell me about
them.
#01: They're thin. I get a strong sense that they're
disposable for some reason. They're thin metal and
they're disposable. And, I also get a feeling that
there's a.....I don't know. It's a sensation more
than anything. I get..... When I'put..uh..hands flat
against it, I et a feeling that there:'s this over-
whelming sense of strong engine of some sort behind
it. Just a power behind it. I don't understand
that feeling.
I see what loo (s like a thimble. Some kind of a......
I'm getting al )t of things that don't, don't make too
much sense. I get a strong feeling like they're very
delicate and t en I get a feeling of this strength
and power. It's like they're both at the same time.
I don't unders and it. Some kind of ..... I don't know.
#28: Ok. While you're on the target here, I want you to do
a time check. I want you to be at the target at 1000
hours, 1 April 1980. 1000 hours, 1 April 1980.
#01: Ok.
#28: Make sure your time sequence is correct.
#01: It's correct.
#28: Now, tell me about the activity at the target.
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#01: I'd say it's a little less active than it normally is.
It's probably right, right now at about 38/40 percent
of its normal activity.
#28: What is the normal activity?
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#01: Normal activity is one of more, more finishing,
more technician finishing. More production, but
production seems to be very low, for some reason.
They've either finished a great batch of whatever
they're doing or there's some seasonal reason why
they're production is low. It's a much lower
production.
I get a very strong sensation that production is
extremelyimportant. It's either important to us
or it's important to them. I think it's important
to both. Uh...I see reduced production but not
entirely. Maybe 40 percent, and there's..... it's
very, very, cold here. Extremely cold here right now.
That may be a reason for the reduced production.
It's interesting. I even know how they heat this
building, I think. I get a strong sensation that there
there's large furnaces or something, nearby, and
they're actually heating half of this complex, this
city with the heat from the furnaces. Heating some
kind of huge furnaces. It's abnormally cold here,
I think.
#28: Focusing your attention now on the target area,
you told me about some loading ramps, I believe.
#01: Right.
#28: Explore the target in the way that is necessary, and
describe what is loaded at the loading ramps.
#01: I see 2 things. These shielded objects are shield
type objects. I think they're put on some specially
designed truck. The truck is then driven up the ramp
onto a flat bed railroad car. There is essentially
two sections to the ramp. The northeast section of
the ramp is for loading these trucks and objects
and the southern most railway loading area is for
incoming ..uh..supplies, material. The northern
railway is..uh..you send things out and..uh..southern
ramp area is to bring things in. Definitely two ramps.
#28: Tell me more about the shields..... shielded vehicle.
I don't understand whether the shields are loaded
on a vehicle or there is a vehicle that is shielded.
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#01: They're loaded on the vehicle, and this truck like
vehicle is, is built a certain way that carry these,
these shields. I keep wanting to call them shields.
Uh....I don't know why I do that. But, they're like
bent shields. Uh...there's a truck specially designed
to carry 'em, and it's either mated up with the shields
here at this, this factory or the truck is actually
also built to the factory. It's all loaded on to the
...uh..onto to these flat cars, these railroad cars.
#01: They're shrouded. They're covered with shroud when
they leave.
#28: Ok. I want you to expand your awareness and
consciousness now to a much broader perspective of the
target concept. Allow yourself to freely float through
time and space focusing only on these shields. Look
for imagery which tells you their ultimate use.
PAUSE
+33 #01: Get a strong impression that there..uh..wait a minute.
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I get alot of impressions, but..uh..I think their
primary, their primary purposes is to provide an all-
weather protection for some kind of a launch vehicle.
I don't, I don't know what kind of a vehicle though.
It I get strong sensation that most of the launch
vehicles probably manufactured here as well. But,
there's a great portion of it that's missing.
#01: I don't know. I get a feeling that the guts are made
here but not the..uh..maybe not the guidance package
or something.
#28: Tell me a little bit more.....I have one more question.
Tell me a little bit more about the ball and cone
concept you've had.
#01: I just keep getting visions of intermix balls and cones.
I, you know, I don't, I don't know how to...I get all
different views of it and I don't know how to isolate
it. Strong and clear impressions of these cones and
ball shape things all fastened together.
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#28: In what manner?
#01: Uh...tip of the cone to the edge of the circular shapes.
The ball shapes. Many of them...like two or three
fastened to a single ball shape or multiple:ball.shapes
fastened on to one of the cone tips. I don't...just
all variations. I don't know why.
#28: All right. At this time I have no further questions
about the target area. If there's anything you'd like
to add before leaving the target area, please do so
now.
#01: I, I think maybe..uh..there's mostly refining work done
with special alloys. I don't think the main components
are physically produced in this building. And, that the
production is important, for some reason. I get a
strong impression that the guts of the objects are made
here but not the intelligent parts of the object, and
some of them I don't feel that way about. I don't
understand why. That's about it.
#28: Ok. Fine. No further questions now. Focus your
attention back in the room here. Move your arms;
move your legs, and prepare to draw.
#01: Before I draw any pictures there's something that I
want to say, and that has to do with the, the..uh..
the target in particular. I got a really strong
impression that..uh..when I was remote viewing this
target that I was seeing alot of things .....some of
which were honestly remote viewed, and some of which
were remote viewed but don't appear to be honest to
me. By that I mean that, there's no question about
what I was seeing being on the target, but I got a
strong feeling that alot of what was on the target
that I was seeing was not right. Ok. It was like
it was fakery of some sort. On the target itself.
Like the target itself was being used to fake me out.
While I was seeing these things that were supposed
to be something, they in reality are not. They're
fake. They're not real.
I don't know how else to explain that. I feel like
what I remote viewed is on the target but about
half of what I remote viewed is not real.
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#10.5: Ok. You have a feel for the individual items and
things which gave you that sensation?
#01: Yeah. I kept getting the feeling about these shielded
type objects and it was like..uh..I was getting...I
was imagining walking up to one and putting my hands
flat on the side and saying..you know-what feeling
do I get, and I was getting a feeling like...I was
getting two feelings. The first feeling I was getting
was this, this machine, this engine, this powerful
machine, or engine being inside the shield, and at
the same time I was getting a feeling that the shield
was empty. You know. It was so like a half-an-half
feeling and I don't, I don't really know how to
explain that. It was almost like gestalticly I was
supposed to get this feeling but in reality that's
not there, you know.
I also got the feeling there was an implied production
level. It wasn't there. You know. Like it was far,
far less than what it should be, and one would assume
100 percent production. When, in fact, there was a
very deliberate and real 40 percent production. I don't
you know...I don't understand that feeling either.
You know, it's like alot of push-pull type feelings.
I didn't know whether I was being pushed or pulled
but I just wanted to say that before we draw what's
at the target.
#10.5: Ok. That's good. Good that you said it. This is
very interesting. As you go through your sketches
then when you have that feeling again that you can
relate to an item that you're sketching at that
point in the tape will you mention it one more time
so we have it altogether.
#01: Yeah.
#10.5: Ok. I've taken some rather copious notes.
#01: Ok. Page 1. Do you want a sketch of the exterior
doors?
#10.5: That won't be necessary. We-can probably start off
with the......
#01: .....the ramp
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#10.5: Yeah. What appeared to be the interior view that
you had there in that area.
#01: I got an impression that I was looking at.a.....
#10.5: And, if from your perspective you had the feeling of
a large door you can put it in on that sketch as an
interior view or whatever.
#01: Like, page 1 will be like I'm standing just inside
the large door that slides across on rollers, ok.
I got the. impression that on the floor there was a
circular turn style like thing with this section of
tracks on it, and that this thing like rotated around.
And, coming off of this there was, there was tracks
going up like this to this loading ramp. I don't know
if I'm going to be able to do this justice or not, but
I'm going to try.
These, of course, are on the ground. Then I went up
to this loading ramp, and this loading ramp was just
real high. Came down like this. Off the back side of
this loading ramp there was like a maneuver area on
the loading ramp, there were ramps that came up. This
sort of affect. I don't know how else to draw. these.
These are ramps. This is a loading dock, here.
Back up in this direction, like towards the upper right
hand corner of this, this bay type area was a, a row
of these like shielded type objects. They were sitting
up on a ramp of their own design, you know. Back over
here was this..uh..these really strange trucks like
affairs sitting back over here. Ok. I'm getting kind
of close to the top of the page so I'll go to page 2.
The..uh..I keep referring to these objects as shielded
type objects, or.shield objects. I got a feeling like
they're both, and that goes hand in hand with this
strong fakery feeling that I've got. I feel like in the
case of shielded objects some of them are in fact
shielding guts to an object or refined parts or pieces
to an object. But, some of them aren't; some of them
are just shields, you know. Just empty shields sitting
there. I don't know how to explain it. Uh...........
I hesitate to say they're empty ok, because I got a
feeling like some of them aren't. and I'm not sure
there's a reason why some are and some aren't or...
I just get a fake feeling with them, you know. Like
some of them are real and some of them aren't real.
#10.5: Are these all in association one with the other?
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#01: You mean as a batch or a group?
#10.5: Ok.
#01: I don't thi k I understand that question.
#10.5: Ok. That's really the best I can do without leading
you astray.
#01: Let me put it this way. As a group I get the fake
feeling. Like there's something fake about part of
them are....a portion of them... individually, an
empty one is a shield object and a full one is a
shielded object. One's as valuable as or as viable
to me as the target as the next.
#10.5: Ok. In sketch I, in.the upper right hand corner, you've
drawn a series of these shields and shielded objects.
#01: They're both there.
#10.5: They are both in that group.
#01: Yes.
#10.5: Ok.
#01: I can label that shielded objects and shield objects.
Like I say, I. don't understand why I'm calling these
things both...... it. has something to do with this,
this fakey feeling, which I don't understand, either,
and I'm not trying to be overly complex, or .....
#10.5:. No. That's all right.
#01: I just.....don't, I don't understand the feelings I'm
getting with it and I'm trying to vocalize them and
it's just not coming out the. way it should, you know.
I don't.......
#10.5: That's fine. That's fine. Don't let that bother you.
You're doing good.
#01: Page 2.. What would you-like on page 2
#10.5: Well, on 1, you were like moving away from the large
interior rolling door. Do you have more beyond that
which would be on the top of 1 you would want to add
on 2 as a continuation from bottom to top.
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#01: Uh...just that these trucks, on the left, it's
almost like an interior truck park. There's more
than one truck.
#10.5: Ok. What is your feel for the number of vehicles...
individual vehicles in that area? I'm not trying to
pin you down to a number, but (mumbling) a large
number, a small number, a medium number.....
#01: I'm trying to put a frame of reference on what my
large, medium and small would be. Uh......I get an
impression that there are less than 25 trucks. Less
than 25 trucks, but that is a smaller number than
would normally be there. It's a medium number compared to
what would normally be there. Like I said.earlier, there's
this reduction in production for some reason.
Page 2. I had an impression of a...like a suspended
ceiling with an oval hole in it and your support
sections going up through it, and..uh..I'm not...
I don't know whether or not it would be important to
sketch that or not. It's up to you. If you want that.....
#10.5: Why don't you do a quick relationship for that...
is what it would do with the systems ..(mumbling)
#01: This, this over here being the elongated section of
the.loading ramp...back side...that sort of affect...
tracks coming here...I got impression...looking at
it from that direction that there was....a...like a
support.thing.that went up through an oval in the ceiling..
and that there was some kind of a...this kind of affect
ramp type thing that came down, like this.....I don't
know exactly how to describe that. This was ceiling
and ....uh...that above this ceiling this thing just
kept right on going to the rest of the ceiling and
that there was a.....up here was a....I don't know.....
a more refined working area. By that I mean a cleaner
area, tools were more sophisticated, machines were
more sophisticated. That kind of thing. And, back
here was the door.
#10.5: Let me throw one thing in here. You mentioned wire
cage......
#01: Yeah. The wire cage was somewhere right in here.
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#01: I don't know what that was. It looked like a real
delicately built wire cage.
#10.5: Did you have any feel or impression, more detailed
impression for the activity on the second level?
Any imagery associated with the activity there.
#01: Just...uh...I guess I should clarify what I mean
by refined work. Uh...it's sort of like...uh...you
have some other place...uh...stamped out. rough metal
part and they send it over to this building, and then
in this building they polish the exterior of the:metal.
They drill the holes; they put in the...they tap in the
screw threading...uh...they engrave the necessary channels,
or whatever, on o the metal. They check it for flaws.
That's what I mean. That's the kind of work that's
going on here. You know. Connect things together.
Ensure that the appropriate alloys are used in different
components, parts, and things.
#10.5: Ok. Uh...for 3, what I would like to do, if you would
please, is if we could examine the relationship between
the peculiar wheeled vehicle that you've sketched in 1,
and the shielded objects, and the shields, the combina-
tion shielded objects and shields. If'you'd...uh...
#01: Ok. I got an impression that this vehicle had...like a
...this kind of a window with some kind of grill in here,
like this. There was-like a large bumper that came
around like this. This cab went back sort of like this
in some way, and that this shielded type thing set right
here on the side, and went back like this...and, there
was some kind of a...I don't know what to call it.....
like a cherry picker type device that laid.. along side
of here, and, there was like...uh...this went back like
that.
#10.5: May I compliment you on your outstanding sketching
there. That's.....I wish I could draw that good.
#01: Right. I got a feeling like...you,_kraow::...this is the
truck, and it comes back and there is this large
double wheel back here in the back.
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#01: And, that this...uh...doesn't just lay on here, ok.
There's some kind of a thing that comes down like this
across the top. You know. It goes down the side.
And, there's alot of other things in here on this
vehicle that are far more complicated. Too complica-
ted for me to draw, anyway. And, that this whole mess
is loaded onto a flat rail car.....after it's shrouded..
truck and everything is covered with a shroud.
And...uh...these are...what did I say...some of them
are shielded objects and some of them are shielded
shields.
#10.5: Now, let me ask you now the size and proportions of
the sketch in 3. The vehicle and the associated shielded
objects or shields, and shields. Am I right in
presuming that all shields are of the same proportion?
#01: Yes. They're all exactly identical. And...uh...
#10.5: Let's start with the...uh...the base vehicle itself.
#01: Well, I'm going to start by putting a stick figure on
the vehicle, ok. And, I would say that this is probably
in length in the neighborhood of 55 to 60 feet, and
the vehicle, itself, in width, is probably...uh...
18 feet. The actual shielded object or shield object,
is...uh...probably in the neighborhood of 40 or 45 feet.
And, its width is probably around 5 feet....6 feet.
Tall .....the shielded object's just a little bit taller
than the cab roof, and the cab roof is 13, 14 feet
from ground level.
#10.5: Ok. When you were working this imagery did you see
in your imagery a human figure associated with the
vehicle.
#01: You mean somebody standing around it...by it?
#10.5: Yes. Did you have related imagery such as that?
#01: Oh! Yeah. There was people all around this area, but
I got a feeling like in order to do 100 percent
production you would have 300 people in this big bay.
In this particular case there was more like 140 people
in the bay. You know...just a very reduced level....
#10.5: What I'm getting at is that you did have a direct
association between magnitude of the vehicle and
human .......
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#01: Oh! Yeah. People, people climbing on the vehicle.
Certainly.
#10.5: All right. Have you ever seen a vehicle like this
before in any. of your previous activities or analytical
work of any of that type? Or does it resemble anything
that you've seen before?
#10.5: I'm not, I'm not searching. I'm just asking you for
the record. is what I'm doing, so........
#01: No....this, ok, this side, this cab side of the vehicle,
ok, for some reason is familiar to me.
#10.5: Ok. You're referring to the off-set cab.
#01: Yeah. The off-set-the driver's, the driver's space,
if you will, you know, the cab portion of the vehicle,
and, I don't know why. I might have seen it somewhere
or it might hold strong resemblance to a...some kind of
a heavy duty cherry picker type vehicle, but, I certainly
don't remember this part. The vehicle, you know. The
large off-set dual wheels and the front wheels.
#10.5: Ok. One last question then on this, and, again, I'm
trying to establish relationship between the shielded
object situation, and the peculiar carrying vehicle......
or the unique, not peculiar, the unique carrying vehicle
that you've seen it located on. Uh...what is the
relationship there? Do ...are there-well, are there
feelings of.....
#01: Like one can't go.......can one go without the other,
is what you're. saying?
#10.5: Right. What type of~functional interaction, feeling
for connectiveness or nonconnectiveness...uh...
integrated or nonintegrated type of systems that you
may have picked up.
#01: I..uh...I got a feeling that the vehicle ...............
that the vehicle was specifically designed to carry
this shielded device, whatever it is, or this shield
type structure, if that's what it is. But, it's not
necessary. Like there's a dual role. Like this
shielded thing...or this shield type ...uh...........
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confirmation that's laid onto this truck can do very
well without the truck. But, that one of it's
modus operandi, if you will, is to be loaded onto this
truck, or possibly just a transportation reason. I
don't know.
#01: I don't they're integral to each other to operate,
either one; but, they are made to go together.
#10.5: Ok. Would you be able to comment on any possible
mechanical interfacings that you have.....in your sketch
on 3, you've placed a cherry picker type device on the
#01: Yeah. There's........
#10.5: rear portion of the vehicle, and. I'm trying to see if
you have a......
#01: Yeah, I think it's got a capacity. The truck's
probably got a capacity to onload or offload this....
lift this shield thing. Uh .. ....I also, you know,
I keep referring to it as a shielded or a shield type
thing. And, the reason why I do that is...uh.......
inside of me, analytically, I want. to say, ah..ah..I
know what's in this shield thing.....you know......
we got a rocket in here, but I can't do that.........
that's the point I'm trying to make. I don't know
why I can't do that. There's something about it that
disturbs me.
#10.5: Ok. I understand. Fine. It's good that you're keeping
it right there.
#01: Perhaps it's used as a dust type....uh....dust free
environment for transporting this element, whateVr
it is. I don't know.
#10.5: Uh.... ok...... now there's another interesting image
apparenatly associated with a vehicle. Whether it's
the same or not. You had early'..: in the.session
uh..ok...a new truck, metal shielded on them....
some kind of cover; smooth. Looked like trucks, but
funny looking.... off center .... no shield on the back.
That's that.
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#10.5: Now, ball-coned type affair toward the back of the truck
large clamp devices hold the shielding on it.
#10.5: Uh...working with or used well-machined metal.
Ok. This molded machine metal is coming through, and
you have this feeling of a ball-cone....which later on
in your session....... we can compile them on...if you
feel that's appropriate....that later on in your session
you had varying feelings of combinations of balls and
cones.
#01: Yeah. I did...and...uh...what I'm getting is..uh..
this is going to look very strange, but, I'm getting
a cone, ok, inside of a cone, inside of a cone, and then
there's like a ball type contraption. And, there's a
cone that looks like this with a ball behind it, and
then, I get like a triangular pattern of cones, and,
I don't know why I'm getting these great variations df
cone patterns. I'm trying to remember. I get also
like .... what looks like a...this kind of affect. Like
three balls together, and, there's one other variation
I was getting. I don't know. These are just variations.
Page 4. Just cone and ball variations.
I think the most predominant one that I got that was
the clearest was probably the cone inside the cone inside
the cone. Like taking a bunch of dunce caps and stacking
'em one on top of the other.
#10.5: Ok. Why don't you label that A there.
#01: Ok. And B is the cone on the ball, and C is the
cones all coming together, and Dis the three balls
fastened together.
#10.5: Ok. Am I correct. When there was an association with
a truck...toward back of truck... unidentified truck at
this point in the session. Uh.....
#01: Yeah. I don't know if they're coming off the..uh..
you know...part of the cherry picker device, you know.
Like an extender type piece, or they're part of the
engine part, you know, like an exhaust port on the
engine part that lifts the cherry picker arm. You know.
I'm not entirely sure what it is, but it's somewhere
in the back one-third of the truck, ok, somewhere, and
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close to the cherry picker arm, ok. Like in the
base of the cherry picker arm. Definitely. It's at
the very base of the cherry picker arms where I'm seeing
these cone patterns.
#10.5: Ok. Can you put together a sketch of that area of
the vehicle?
#01: Jeze' no. I couldn't do it.
#10.5: Ok. But, you located in what would be according to
sketch 3, am I correct, you located in the right-rear
quadrant of the vehicle.
#01: Right. Exactly. It's right at the base of the cherry
picker arm. That's just where it is.
#10.5: Ok.
#01: Cone inside the cone is kind of a unique thing and I
think that's important.... an extender exhaust, or
something.
#10.5: Ok. Now, still exploring this area of the session...
Uh...#28 had you move up in the second floor area,
and you examined that, and then he had you look down,
asked you what you saw, you saw the truck part-,-with
the covered shield feeling.
#01: Right.
#10.5: He wanted to...he asked you to tell him about-it.
And, your first comment was tubes inside tubes; pipes
inside pipes. Is that.....
#01: I think it goes along with the cone feeling. The cone
inside cone. I just get a feeling these, these round
shapes being one inside the other...like you would
sleeve something one inside the other.
#10.5: And...uh...look alot like..uh...curved on top; painted
dark metal; long, thin flat sides, and you were then
associating cones and balls..... that's what we're talking
about in 3.
#O1: Yeah. Yeah. You see, these were kind of like out of
left field impressions. I don't know.
#10.5: Uh.... possibly also a candidate for 4 is you had a
feeling of thimble.
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#01: Oh! I saw.........
#10.5: Is that of the type that you could put it on.......
#01: Yeah. I'll put it on page 4. I saw a smooth, polished
stainless steel thimble. I don't have any idea for
size, but it was really pretty and it was exactly perfect.
And it was definitely a thimble. E is the thimble. I
had to report it because it was very clear impression
of a thimble type design. It was bright metal and
#10.5: Ok. Moving on through this session #28 requested
you touch, feel, and explore the shield thing ...uh.....
#01: That's when I started getting that semi-fake feeling.
For some reason.
#10.5: Ok. You had the feeling of thinness; strong sense of
disposable sensation.
#01: Right. You know .... like let's truck these out to the
mountain and throw them off the mountain.
#10.5: Sense of strong engine behind it.....and power behind
it. But, that, am I correct, is part of your conflict-
ing, some had and some had not, feeling.
#01: Yeah. Right. I don't know why I'm assuming. Ok.
I'm assuming some had and some didn't. "cause that's
the only way I can rationalize the two feelings at
the same time.
#10.5: Ok. One last,technical question, I think. Do you
have a feel for the method of movement of the vehicle
once. loaded with the shielded objects? Were they
moved mechanically to load or were they moved under
their own power.
#01: No. I think they're driven up the ramp. For some
reason, I'm seeing them driven: right up the. ramp right
on the flat cars. Flat bed railroad cars. Then
tarped over and tied down, chained down-or something.
#10.5: Ok. Towards the end of the session #28 asked you to
.concentrate on the shield and what was their ultimate
use. You had the association ...your words here are
from my notes: "primary purpose is to provide all-
weather protection for some kind of launch vehicle."
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#01: Yeah. I got the impression that's what they were for,
but, like I say...I don't...that's an analysis, on my
part. I do think, regardless what they are used for,
that they are, they are designed for all-weather protec-
tion. You know. To permit use in any kind of weather
and under any kind of terrain condition. I got a
tactical flavor out of it in any event.
#10.5: Anything else you would like to add. You were drifting
in time there and you did have a jumble of impressions.
Is there...are there any impressions that you may not
have spoken about earlier that you'd like to speak
about now?
#01: Uh......just that I felt like this entire building is
a more refined working area....factory type atmosphere.
That all the necessary components are made elsewhere,
but in the immediate vicinity, incidentally. I get
the feeling like they don't bring them very far, and
that this entire city complex is heated off a single
series of very large furnaces that are probably used
to smelt iron ore or alloy metals, and that alloy metals
are important to what is going on there. And, that..
production is important to us and them, for some reason.
The percentage of production is just significant. I
don't know if it's significant because it's less than
normal or if it's significant because it's more than
normal. I don't know. That's all I got.
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1. (U) Reference: City Plan, Stock No.
2. (S/NOFORN) CUING DATA: #01 had performed 2 previous sessions
CCC25, CCC33) against this target utilizing geo coordinates
data masked out so it was not observable. In the photo, the NE end
of the target structure was circled and was pointed out to #01. #66
was generally aware of target nature (city, valley, industrial complexity,
etc.) and, due to involvement in session CCC38, aware that armor related
imagery could be associated with the target. #66 was provided (and used)
geo coordinates as an auxiliary targeting method. #01 was directed to
access the target 1000 hours, 1 Apr 80 space/time coordinates.
an aerial photo of the target installation which had all identifying
Prior to this session, #01 was shown
3. (S/NOFORN) ANLAYSIS:
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