INSCOM GRILL FLAME PROGRAM SESSION REPORT

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INSCOM
GRILL FLAME
:PROGRAM
SESSION REPORT
CLASSIFIED BY: DIRECTOR, DIA
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EXTENDED BY: DIRECTOR, DIA
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SUMMARY ANALYSIS
REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION CC84
1. (S) This report documents a remote viewing session conducted in
compliance with a request for information on a target of interest.
2. (S) The viewer was provided with the geographic coordinates of the
target at the time of the session. This was this viewer's second
attempt at this target. He was able to achieve his normal state of
relaxed concentration and was confident of his impressions. He was
able to continue to work even though ambient room noise was extreme
3. (S) The protocol used for this session is detailed in the
document, Grill Flame Protocol, AMSAA Applied Remote Viewing Protocol
(S), undated.
4. (S) Following is a transcript of the viewer's impressions during
the remote viewing session. At Tab A are drawings made by the viewer
reference his impressions of the target site. At Tab B is the Target
Cuing Information.
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TRANSCRIPT
REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION CC84
#66 This will be a remote viewing session (edited for
security).
SG1B
PAUSE
Relax and concentrate now. cru your attention on the
tardet for today:
Relax
and concentrate on the target. Relax and concentrate
and describe the target to me.
PAUSE
#1 It's...ah...get the impression of...ah...wide...ah...
+05 appears to be some kind of a wide concrete road.
#66 Alright.
#1 And there's...ah...some mountains on the left side; not
very high ones, but...ah...appear to be very rugged.
There's...ah...there's a small...small road on the left.
Ah...this...ah...could be...ah...some kind of a...an
airport, I think.
#66 Alright. One side you have mountains. What is on the
other side?
#1 Hills. There's...ah...sea water.
#66 Alright.
#1 There's ah...a city, (mumble).
#66 OK. Focus your attention now on the specific target for
today. Look between the airfield and the water, in that
general geographic area. Focus your attention and look
for today's target.
SG1B
+08 #1 There's...ah...sort of a hill top; some kind of...ah...
lokks like some temporary...temporary buildings on it.
It's a compound or something...compound. There's...ah...
it's like a large trailer or something with pipes
fastened to the end. (Mumble)...framework...framework or
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pipes, and there's a...ah...some kind of a radar dish
fastened to the pipes. And there's...ah...there's
a...ah...some temporary...ah...(mumble) type buildings,
+10 and a...ah...beautiful park. Get a strong impression
that there's...ah...this is some kind of a SIGINT site.
There's...ah...get the impression of high...some kind of
high frequency collectors, and a plates, like...ah...
ah...dish type collectors. They're...they're very large,
and...ah...appear to be mounted of some kind of...ah...
a steel girder or a pipe framework, and...ah...there's a
large, large box like thing; looks like a trailer
suspended in the air, on the...ah...back edge of this.
It's very, very high and there's...ah...metal steps
going up the side for access to this...ah...box area.
(Mumble)...ah...sort of a modified "U" shape building on
the ground next to this. Appears to be...ah...appears
to be two of these type contraptions. I don't...ah...
I don't think they're very...ah...I think they're mobile,
but they're...they're a semi-fixed type installation.
Just a minute. I see...ah...to one side there's a...
+15 ah...looked like up-side-down cigar type containers,
like...ah...some kind of metal container. It's fairly
large.
#66 Tell me more about these.
#1 They're tall and they're all in...there appears to be
interconnecting pipes. There's...ah...a lot of steel
reinforced concrete connected to this...ah...structure.
I...I hesitate to call it a structure; it's...ah...I
want to call it...ah...a container more than a kind of a
structure. I get...ah...ah...I get a manufacturing
feeling. There's...ah...some kind of engines being
made. I get a...I just getting strong impression of
engines, parts or pieces of engines.
#66 Tell me what makes you say container?
#1 I see this...ah...I don't know, it's a smooth, silver
cylinder type constructed thing, and it's...and it
contained something. I don't...I don't understand why
I say that, it's...ah...fairly tall and it was a rather
odd shaped end. I get the impression that it's covering
something. There's like tubes or piping that...ah...
interconnect two or three of these of varying sizes.
There's a steel reinforced concrete building that's...
ah...building or...ah...ah...like hard standing wall...
walls that are connected to it. It's a very difficult
part of the target cause don't think I've seen
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anything like this in my life. And...ah...I keep getting
very strong impressions of...ah...ah...parts or portions
of engines. They look like engines, they're...they're
tall and narrow and have light metalic covers.
#66 Explain the term engines.
+20 #1 Ah...mechanical device that...ah...appears to.. .to
produce some...some form of combustion...ah...power,
combustion type power. Like, when I look through it, I
see...ah...I see chambers, look like...ah...combustion
chambers, and they're...ah...almost looks like the...
ah...the front end of a stripped tractor sort of effect.
#66 Describe the size of these containers.
#1 Ah...ah...very difficult. The one on the right appears
to be...ah...ah...possibly...ah...55 to 60 feet.
Perhaps...ah...20 feet in diameter at its widest point.
The one a little closer to me and to the left is...ah...
probably 35 feet tall, 20 feet in diameter at its widest
point. And there's one directly in front of that going
to the left and it's probably...ah...it's like laying on
its side and it's probably 35 feet tall, just goes to the
left, I don't see the end, and there's...ah...some kind
of...ah...silver pipe connecting these together in sort
of a fashion. There appears to be a lot of tublar steel
that's supporting the pipe, and there's a lot of...ah...
very angular...ah...unconventionally formed...ah...steel
reinforced concrete, hardstand involved. I...I don't
know what it is...ah...it's very complicated to describe.
See what appears to be some kind of a...ah...ah...air-
conditioning exhaust or something...ah...there's...ah...
three 45 degree angular...ah...exhaust ports, and they're
quite large, and they...they have bent screens over them
and they look like some kind of exhaust ports.
#66 From where are these porting?
#1 Ah...these are on the right and...ah...appear to come
off the edge of a...ah...corregated steel wall of some
sort. Think it's...I think it's corregated, it's...
it's got a...ah...kind of a wash board appearance to it.
There's...ah...to the right of that is where I'm getting
the impressions of the engines, I believe, somewhat to the
right.
#66 Alright. Do I understand that the cigar shape containers
are separate from your perception of engines?
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#1 Yes.
#66 Alright. I want you to take a perspective now, looking
+25 down on these cylinder shaped objects. Tell me when
you've done so.
#1 OK. There...there appears to be...ah...behind where my
last view was, there appears to be...ah...concrete pads
as if there was something that was there and it's been
removed. There's three of these, and I...I get the
impression of mounds of sand there for some reason, and
there's a...ah...ah...half burned concrete box type
building that's to the rear right of where I...where I
was standing, and that...ah...that previous...ah...that
previous...ah...think I called a...a...ah...probable
SIGINT item is...is...looks more like a temporary radar
facility of some sort, cause it's sort of one a
predomint out...outcropping of...ah...of...ah...high
ground to the Northwest. But I get a strong impression
that there's...ah...just a minute, I'm looking at
something. Get the strong impression that this is...
ah...fairly close to a coast line of some sort, to the
North.
#66 That's fine. Focus on the target. I want you to focus
on the tubes, on the cigar shaped containers you've
described to me, and when you have that focus, tell me.
#1 Ah...from where, which angle?
#66 From a comfortable altitude so that you may see them all
in a group.
PAUSE
#1 OK.
#66 Alright, fine. Now, look down at these carefully. Now,
you have described them to me as being containers. Now,
at this time, maintaining your focus, I want you to close
your eyes at the target area, close your eyes at the
target area. YOU can see nothing, but you know that if
you opened your eyes they would be right there in front of
you. Now, when I tell you to open your eyes, you will be
able to see clearly what these containers have in them.
When I tell you to open your eyes, you will be able to see
without the shell of protection, to be able to see what
they contain. Open your eyes.
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#1 There's a very, very, very complex impression of...ah...
what looks like diving...stacked diving tanks or something.
They're not diving tanks; that's what they look like.
+30 And...and...ah...very finely tooled...ah...very finely
tooled...ah...connectors with pipes. I don't know what
their function is, but there's...ah...appears to be...
ah...some kind of gold or very, very shiny plated metal.
Ah...sort of like looking inside of a watch.
#66 Alright. I understand that you're perceiving the target
in a fourth dimensional view, i.e., you can through...
#1 I seeing all the way through it.
#66 Alright, fine. I understand your problem.
#1 There's...ah...
#66 Tell me about the components in their relative positions,
one to the other.
#1 Stacked. Ah...everything appears to be stacked.
#66 And what is uppermost in this stack?
#1 Ah...appears to be...ah...ah...look a ball, looks a lot
like a baseball, it's got a...sections cut away on it that
look like a baseball, like a baseball, all skin is wrapped,
and there's...there's...ah...what looks like nickel plated
screws; great, wide screws that, you know, the head of the
things, and it's...this is seated in a...ah...looks like a
socket, and...ah...there's a radio mass of lines coming
from this and dropping down, and there's a...there's a lot
of this shiny metal behind and under this, and...ah...it's
too complicated.
#66 What is at the lower most portion of this stack?
+35 #1 I can't see through all this garbage. Sort of big black
circle. I don't know, I can't see through this stuff.
It just blacks out; when I try to look all the way through
it, it just blacks out. I see a big, big black circle,
but there's...ah...one minute it's all black and the next
minute I see concentric rings, and...and then a...like a
hatch work of all interconnecting angles and cross designs
and...I'm just looking through too much stuff and I can't..
ah...I can't...ah...see just the...ah...the bottom.
#66 Alright, fine. Close your eyes again. Close your eyes
again and when you open your eyes, you will again see the
target as you originally perceived it. Open your eyes
again.
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#66 Now, I have no further questions about this target. If
there's anything that you would like to add about the
perceptions that you've had, do so now.
#1 I haven't got the slightest idea what this damn thing
is...ah...the only thing I can say with any clarity is
the...ah...there is a...ah...ah...what appears to be a
radar site very close by. I don't...I don't have any
idea what this is. That's all I have to say.
#66 OK, fine. Let's draw the perceptions you've had, then.
#1 It's gonna take a while to draw all this stuff.
OK, on Page 1, I'm gonna do an overall impression of how
all this stuff is laid out. I got sort of an impression
that there was a...this arrow being North, it'ld be true
North, that there was this...ah...first I thought it was
a road, a concrete road, but then over to...ah...I think
it was the left side, there was a parallel road; it was
much narrower so I got that, and I was cruising down this
thing, so I got the impression it was a...ah...probably an
airport runway of some sort, pointing...ah...North
Northeast, and up here I got an impression - way up here
to the right - there's sort of a indented harbor type area
and a coast line that went like this. And...ah...in this
area directly North of the runway I got an impression of
a...a promitory of rock which has what I call the radar
site on it. And then South of that, in the dotted box
area, is eventually where I wound up at what I call the
target. Now, there's a lot of other stuff in here, you
know, and I was just flicking through it very rapidly. I
got the impression that in this, what would be this page,
scale wise, contained a whole lot of other things, and I
might have been getting flashes of...ah...triple A sites
and...ah...ah...tank parks, and...ah...billet area type
things, and I'm not too sure it was all within this dotted
box, you know, it might be within the peripherals of
this...this area.
#36 You...you mentioned a city...ah...somewhere at the...ah...
#1 Oh. The city surrounded this...this like harbor type
area. We'll call this the city. And, there were some
other, now, some other towns, there was a...ah...I'll call
it town, I don't have, you know, the idea of size or any-
thing. There was one back here, and...ah...you know,
quite a few little villages like along the coast, but...
but these two were probably the most significant cities.
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#36 I wonder where the villages are...
#1 Down along this coast, there...there was like a...ah...for
lack of anything else, we'll call it a coastal road. I got
the impression that...that this area, which
draw black lines through...ah...let's hash mark it. This
area where the hash marks are, I got the impression became
very, very rugged, and behind me to the rear, probably the
South Southeast, were...were mountains of some sort. Not
very big ones, you know, just mountains. If you could
call a mountain standard, there's standard mountains to the
?South Southeast. And jungle, quite a bit of jungle back
there where the mountains were.
#36 Were the cigar shapes inside the box or where were they
relative to all of that.
#1 Inside the...ah...hash marked box.
#36 OK, we'll talk about that later, I just want to know where
it was.
#1 Yea. And...ah...this...now, this hash marked box might be
larger or smaller, you know, I don't...
#36 But that's just symbolic, that kind of...
#1 That's the general, yea, that's the general area I'm
gonna talk about. I don't have any idea of perspective
of size here on this. And this is the coast.
Now, Page 2. I'm gonna, realizing this may not, you know,
I don't know what to call the target in this particular
session, so I'm gonna do it all because you may want it
all, OK. I got a...the impression that I was standing
next to a...some kind of a large trailer and this trailer,
to the right...ah...should have went down like that, had
a...ah...cat walk type afair with a metal flooring, and
steps coming down to the ground, like this. And there
was...ah...like a...a framework of pipes supporting this
mess, and concrete footing. This is really very simplistic
the way I'm drawing this; it was far more complicated. You
know, there was...ah...you had all these cross pieces under
here, you know, like this, and up here was like a...these
things coming out to support this like framework back here.
I don't know exactly how all this junk went. There's just
this mass of pipes, you know, and this was like a trailer
here, and then supported on this mess was a...ah...some
kind Of a squared platform type afair with a cross hatch
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floor and a very large banana type dish that also had all
the supporting pipes and crap coming out of it, like this.
I don't know how to draw that.
#36 Did you say banana shape?
#1 Yea, it was a big banana shape thing. Ah...if I were to
draw a cross sectional of that or look at it from the
other side, I'll do an inset here, it would have looked
like...ah...this. That kind of thing, OK. But that's
close up. Page 2, when I backed off from this mess, that's
a door on Page 2. Oh, and around this whole thing, on
Page 2, there was...ah...like a fence. Like a chain link
fence of some sort. It's like a chain link fence around
this whole mess, and I'm not sure it was really chain link,
but that's what it looked like.
Page 3. When I backed off, went up to about 200 feet and
backed off about 1,000 feet, I got the impression that
this...this device was sitting up here like this on a...
sitting out here like this, all by itself, like a...like
a premitory rock, there's another road coming away from it,
and that...ah...there were low hills here, this sort of
thing, and the...ah...coast was way out here, and that
the...ah...air strip was, well, the air strip was back
here, and over here was the tube type target.
Now, for the hard part. The first impression that I had
was...ah...this silver cylinder type, and the reason why
I say silver was, you know, shining very brightly, and
there was like a flatter type thing in the front like this,
and there appeared to be something that looked very much
like it laying on its side like this, and there was...
ah...here's where it gets very complex; appeared to be
some kind of tubes coming off like that, and...ah...there
was a...some kine of a tube like thing coming off here,
and I...I don't know where all these tubes are going.
Had the distinct impression that's what they were. It's
like these two big or three big vents coming back this
way with some kind of like screen type stuff over them,
and these went up to a squared area, like that. I got
the impression that there was some kind of corregated
metal wall under that, and that there was like a...a lot
of angular impressions, like this, that was, you know, was
all like steel reinforced concrete. You know, walls of
steel reinforced concrete. Ahm...this is a very simplistic
view of what this appeared to be. Oh, back over here,
there looked like this thing that looked like the front end
of a tractor like, and for reason, I got the impression of
engines, you know, call it an engine device. And...ah...
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this is a very simplistic impression of what I was seeing.
It was far more complex than this, and...ah...this, which
I'll label A, is the one that I attempted to look into, OK.
I'll try to show you what that appeared to be...ah...
looking down on this, getting a dotted outline of this
tube, it's supposed to be round by-the-way. So I'm not
very good freehand. Looking down on this thing, the first
object appeared to be something that looked just exactly
like a baseball. Now, I'm gonna put an arrow to it and
bring it out here and draw it better, OK. It's a round
shaped object, and it had this kind of impression on the
side, just like a baseball wraping, and there were large
silver screws going around, just like this, and this was
seated in like...ah...some form of a socket type affair,
which...ah...appeared now to be something like...something
like this. You know, I don't...that sort of thing, you
know, sort of a socket type thing. And then, under that...
that mess there appeared to be like...ah...these stacked
tanks, and...ah...they looked a lot like...ah...this is
just an impression now, like a diver's tank. Some kind of
a storage tank of some sort.
#36 What do you mean, a diver's air tank?
#1 Yea, like an air...air...air...ah...tank. And, in this
whole mess, there's like...ah...this stuff. This...
ah...black spaghetti like stuff, maybe wiring or something.
And, I tryed to look through to the bottom of this thing,
and on the bottom I got an impression...I got an impression
of...ah...just a black circle, and then I get an impression
of a black circle with concentric rings with a hash marking
like this over it, OK. And this thing had...ah...this
whole melange of things coming out of it. I don't have any
idea what this thing is. I don't know how to draw it
better.
#36 It looks quite...quite involved, quite complicated. I only
have one other question. Ah...I have a note here that you
mentioned something about a buried or semi-buried concrete
shaped...
#1 OK. Let me do a layout from the top. This will be
Page 6. Looking down on the top of this thing, cylinder A,
larger cylinder B, would appear to be some form of cylinder
laying on its side is C, and...ah...I don't know exactly
how all these walls went. The vents, corregated walls,
some kind of engine device. Back over here are three
distinct mounting pads of some sort that are empty. I
mentioned them because they may be significant in, you
know, orienting the...the drawing or whatever. These are
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all quite a...quite a distance back, they're...they're
fairly large. And back...and to this side, I get the
impression of a large concrete structure on which there was
sand, like that, but this end was...ah...clear. Now, I got
the impression that in...in this whole area in here, there
was a lot of steel reinforced concrete.
#36 Did you have a feeling for why it was reinforced?
#1 No, it was just a very heavy, yea, just a very heavy
construction technique, you know, like...ah...I just get
the word hardened concrete keeps coming into my mind, I
don't why, you know, so, I just mentioned it.
#36 I don't have any more questions.
#1 Good luck. That's it.
#66 Ah...there's one other question that comes to mind here
in looking at your drawings that I have...ahm... In...
ahm...the drawing that you have done from overhead, well,
I asked you to look through the container and describe
what is on the inside of this thing, and I ?noticed from
your drawing that you draw this thing as though you're
right over the top of it. I thought that you were talking
about it, as you were talking, as though you were looking
at the side of it, so...ah...it was a surprise to me when
you drew this from the top. Can you tell me a little bit
about why you perceived it from the top?
#1 I'm not sure I can answer that, other than the fact, the
last position I was viewing in was from the top, and it
may be that I...it might be that I just failed to move or
it may be that that is the clearest angle that I can view
the cylinder from, is from the top. Yea, I get the
sensation that looking from the side would have been even
more complex because of the tubes, and the pipes, and
everything that are all clustered around it, you know,
all the other objects are around it. And I just felt like
the easiest access to the ?inside of this cylinder tube was
through the top. I think that's probably why I viewed it
from that angle. And even that-was...ah...caused a very
complex situation. I would say it's probably easier to
view...the easiest access for viewing clarity would be
through the top. Why, I don't know.
#66 OK. Thinking about being on target in recalling in your
mind what it was like being there, is it possible to see
this from the side?
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#1 Yea, it's possible, but I think that you would have to go
through an awful lot of...ah...awful lot of complex...ah...
ah...I don't want to call it construction, and I don't want
to call it...ah...structure...and I...there's just this...
ah... melange of things that are clustered around it that I
think you would have a lot of difficulty seeing this; these
cylinders from the side clearly. I say, this...ah...this
drawing in Page...ah...4 is a very simplistic outline sketch
of the structure or whatever it is in general, and...ah...
it...it lacks, you know, the complexity that is really there
as far as...ah...you know, over...overhead wire or whatever,
tubes, pipes...ah...there's connector pieces there. I don't
know exactly what their function is, but they got tubes going
to them...ah...and...and a lot of it looks to be very refined
and detailed work. I mean, it's not like...ah...just a steel
box, it's like...ah...it's like a polished stain...stainless
steel box with some...some very refined brass machining or
whatever done on the sides and like the baseball type object
had recessed...ah...screw heads in it that were just, you
know, really shiny, polished metal, you know, very well
machined. It wasn't something that you'ld buy off the
hardware shelf, you know, put together, this is...there is
some very sophisticated machine done in this...ah...entire
target, and...ah...I think that's one of the reasons why
it's causing me such a lot of difficulty cause all...the
machining is so precise, all the lines are very, very clear.
Maybe that's significant for remote viewing, I don't know.
There's no fuzzy lines involved here; it's all very precise,
you know, lines. I don't...I don't know how to describe
that, but it makes it very, very complex.
#66 OK. And, you talk about the drawing on Page 4, then...ah...
I hear you saying that you're not comfortable with the...
the drawing itself; that it doesn't really represent...
#1 It...it...in a very general way, as if...like if I were to
draw a stick figure for a man, that you could comfortably
look at that at any time and say this probably signifies a
man, OK. My drawing on Page 4 signifies the placement of
the major objects that I've seen, but doesn't come even
close to the complexity of the inter-connecting devices and
everything that were there. And would
have to start at one end and literally target piece by
piece all the way across the target to develop any kind of
real...ah...ah...accuracy as far as its complexity.
#66 Now, when you were...ah...outside and originally accessing
the target, you had a feeling about an orientation of...
of coast line and...ah...an air strip and soforth and so on.
Ah...can you tell me from what perspective you saw these
various surrounding areas? For example, what I'm asking
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you is were you on the ground looking out at the horizon
or were you up at some altitude scanning (mumble) directions.
#1 When I...when I first came on the target, when you...when you
first gave me coordinates, the first thing that popped in my
mind was I was...ah...probably 150 feet off the ground and
cruising straight down the center of this concrete highway,
and, as I perceived a parallel narrower road to my left, I
got the impression that this isn't a highway, so I...I
excellerated my speed and altitude at the same time, as if I
pulling away from it, and I clearly saw that it was an air-
port or what I perceived to be an airport. Then, directly
to my front, I felt like I was going in a...probably a
North Northeast direction. Directly to my front, on
horizon, was a coast line and that's when I started scanning
the area to...ah...to see if I could locate the significant
target. And I saw...then I saw flashes, like what appeared
Lo be zoom...zoom up flashes of...ah...this radar site to the
front left and then the...ah...what appeared to be some form
of a SIGINT site to my rear right...ah... These kind of
things...ah...vehicle parked to my front right...ah...there
appeared to be...ah...some kind of barracks or billet type
buildings to my immediate left back over my shoulder behind
the...ah...air strip area...ah...coastal road, rolling hills,
ah...mountains behind me. It was like this was all, you
know, rapid fire sort to speak, just all coming at one time.
And...ah...for some reason, I just zeroed down on this...
ah...this structure type thing with the cylinders.
#66 OK.
#1 The...ah...the radar site, at first, when I...ah...pictured
that was...ah...was a very, you know, a very close zoom
type effect, and I though that might be the...the target,
so I was sort of flipping back at that, you know, sort of
like a flash, and I...ah...backed away from that to where I
could describe that it was a radar site. And...ah...I had
the...about the same effect with the...ah...what I believe
to be probably a SIGINT facility to my rear right. I was
up very close to it and I backed off a little bit to see
what it was. Got the impression it was a SIGINT site.
Ah...there's...ah...quite a bit of significant...there's a
lot of significant objects on the ground in this area,
and...ah...why I wound up at these particular cylinders, I
don't know.
#66 OK. I'ld you to talk a little bit now about your ability
to see through things and how you felt about looking at
the various target areas.
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#1 Well...ah...when I...when I looked at all the targets, I
was getting, you know, just like visual pictures. I wasn't
having any trouble. When I settled on this...this particular
tube like target, what my first impression of what I saw was
a glinting silver cyliners. Sunlight gleeming off these
cylinders. And...ah...a lot of angular hard concrete type
construction, what I call reinforced concrete...ah...
hardstand and stuff, and there was very, very little detail.
I think what captured me was the...almost the spun aluminum
effect for the cylinders and the...the angular...angularities
of the concrete. But then when I tryed to zoom in and
concentrate on this particular target, the...the...I think
the precision and the sophistication involved in this target,
for some reason, caused me to see everything in...in...in
relief, what I call relief. Everything was very...ah...was
crystaline clear, you know, but everything was very precise,
there was no fuzzy lines, and...ah...then I realized that I
was actually seeing through the objects, and I...I don't
know why. I was seeing them in the fourth dimension as if
there was no solids; I was just looking through everything.
And, I guess, the only portion that I wasn't looking through
was the...ah...the hardened concrete and, for some reason,
these three big...these three large exhaust vents on Page 4.
I saw in very precise sharpness the...ah...the hatch...the
hatching work over the...ah...the exhaust vents, you know,
that was very clear in detail. But for some reason I didn't
look through the exhaust vents. I don't...I don't know how
to explain it.
#66 OK.
#1 May...maybe it was a different interest in this target.
Maybe I had to see through it...ah...from an interest
standpoint where the others were clearly identifiable to me
or something that I didn't, you know, didn't require that
necessity.
#36 It looked as if the banana
vertically toward the sky.
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#1 Ah...the banana shape, I don't about
the sky; it was...the actual...the length...the length part
of it, the long part of it, was horizontal to the earth,
and...ah...there was a...about a...I would call a 20 degree
arc or sweep. This thing was rotating, but was only doing
chopped arcs, you know, it was...
#36 OK, I see how you got it here, I...I thought this was dish
pointing vertically, I...I see it has sort of...
oriented roughly
any significance to
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#1 No, no, no. That's the back, you're looking at the back.
I'll write back on it.
#36 Yea, I see it now. I recognize what it...0K.
#1 That would be sort of like a...a collector type thing.
#36 Yea, OK. That's all I have.
#66 Do you have a feeling for where in the world this target is?
#1 South America somewhere, I would imagine. Ah...I get that
impression from the jungles and the...ah...the climate. I
had...ah...ah...warm sensation there, tropical type
sensation. I probably say in South America somewhere.
#66 OK. Anything you want to add?
#1 No.
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