HEARING REGARDING SUMMIT CONFERENCE OF MAY, 1960 AND INCIDENTS RELATING THERETO VOL. 3

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Report of Proceedings
Hearing held before
Committee on Foreign Relations
HEARING REGARDING SUMMIT CONFERENCE
OF MAY, 1960
and Incidents Relating Thereto
June, 1, 1960
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HEARING REGARDING SUMMIT CONFERENCE OF MAY, 1960
AND INCIDENTS RELATING THERETO
(:) Wednesday, June 1; 1960
United States Senate,
Committee on Foreign Relations,
Washington, D. C.
Th c7 Committee met at 10:10 a.m.: pursuant to recess,
Senator F. William Fulbright (Chairman of the full Committ e
presiding.
Present:. - Senators Fulbright (presiding), Mansfield,
Gore, Lausche, Wiley, Hickenlooper? Aiken, Carlson, and
Capehart.
Also present; William B. Macomber, Department of
State, Richard Helms: CIA; and Captain L. P. Gray, III, USN,
JCS.
Staff Members present: Mr. Marcy, Mr. Holt, Mr. Denney,
Mr. Henderson, and Mr. St. Claire.
C.
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Fir 1 bd The Chairman. The Committee will come. to order.
Our witness this mprning.ia r. Hugh Dryden,?tbe Deputy
Administrator for the National Aeronautics and Space
Administration.
(:) I remind members of our Committee that today our
transcript will be censored and released to the press.
Tomorros morning at 10:00 a.m0 we will meet again in this
room in executive session with Secretary Gates.
Mr. Dryden, Dr. Dryden, do you have a prepared statement?
Mr. Dryden. I have no prepared statement but if the
Committee will, I would like to proceed for ten minutes or so to
give you the background of NASA?s research with the U-2
aircraft.
The Chairman. All right, you may proceed.
STATEMENT OF DR. HUGH L. DRYDEN
DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR, NATIONAL
AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION
ACCOMPANIED BY JAMES P. GLEASON,
ASSISTANT ADMINISTRATOR FOR
CONGRESSIONAL RELATIONS, NASA
Mr. Dryden. There is an extensive program on air
turbulence which was begun by the National Advisory
Committee for Aeronautics. It is a part of, as far as NASA
is concerned, it is a part of the aeronautical activities trans-
ferred to NASA in accordance with the National Aeronautics
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and Space Act.
In this program which began in 1956, there have been
200 weather flights of U-2 aircraft with NASA and air
weather service instrumentation covering flights extended
over about two hundred sixty-four thousand miles. 90% of,
this flight time was above 40#000 feet, and 40% pf it or about
1000000 miles was above 50,000 feet, and these flights
have been conducted in the western United States, western
Europe, Turkey and Japan .
I may recall to your minds that the function of
NASA was that of an aeronautical research agency to
support the governments program in the development of
civil aircraft and military aircraft.
We produced only research information used in the
design of airplanes.
One important part of this research information which
certainly is brought to your mind by some of the recent
accidents to aircraft is that of loads on the aircraft
due to atmospheric disturbances or gusts There are two
types of problems one illustrated by the experience of
the airplane which recently got caught in thunder storm
activity is that of the maximum load which the airplane
may reach which may tear the wings from the body.
The other and more insidious type of loading is the
repeated load due to gustiness or rough air that many of
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you have often, encountered in flying.. These repeated
loads, produce a type of brittle failure which we call
fatigue failure. This has, as you may recall, been
encountered in one or two types of airplanes and remedied at
considerable cost.
Now, it has been the function of imm to carry on a
program to furnish the designer information on the
magnitude of atmospheric gusts encountered by airplanes,
the frequency of occurrence of loads of different magnitudes.
We have been engaged in the general type of activity since
1933 and have data on all of the civil transports from
that date.
That, of course, gives you a record of experience
with the performance capabilities of present airplanes,
but it was our responsibility to try to get this information
for airplanes yet to be built. Thismeant that in practice we
Nam always seeking the highest and fastest airplanes to
get information of this kind from, so as to be in advance
of the development of the commercial aircraft.
To do this we made arrangements to get information
from military airplanes.
For example, at the close of World War II we installed
our instruments in the B-36 airplane used then by SAC,
and during their training operations these instruments con-
tinued to record gusts and the data were sent to us for
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analysis.
Now the pattern of, operation with the commercial airlines
and with the military has been the same throughout. We meet
with the owners and operators of the airplanes,, whether
an airline or tle military service, come Q., an agreement.
wirth them that our instruments can be installed on their air-
planes.
In the early stages we send our instrument technicians
to visit and supervise the installation of the instruments.
We train employees of the airlines or the GI's in military
TheChairman. Mr, Dryden, does any of this have any
relevance to the inquiry which this committee is concerned
with?
Mr. Dryden. It does. We will come to this immediately.
We train our technicians to change the film and send the
information to NASA for analysis. We have no detailed
knowledge of the flight plans until after the fact and as a
matter of record we obtain information needed to analyze the
data. Observations extend throughout the world. At the
present time we have instruments on Panamerican and TWA
jets which, of course, go around the world. We have
cooperated with foreign governments and airlines by lending
instrumentation.
Now the U-2 operation is in the same general pattern
of operation. This project was organized in 1956 when the
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the capabilities, of this new
airplane able to fly at.altitudes very considerably higher
than any existing aixplane Was brought to our attention.
The program has been carried on. entirely openly e There
have been three, reports issued, unclassified there have
been press releases on theec operations frem time to time.
The lamp:am was unclassified except that the data which
revealed the airplane could go higher than 55,000 feet
were elaaeiiied. They will now be declassified since the
potentialities of the airplane hasbeccme known.
must take yce back te the atmesphere at thl! time
These were the days when the airlines had had C-6us and 7's,
constellations, At that time we knew the 707, the DC-80
the Electra were under design. We were told that the first
of these airplanes would be developed early in 1959.
All of our previous data with airplanes had been at altitudes
generally not too much above 20,000 feet where these
airplanes cperated. The new airplanes would operate at
35 to 40,000 feet,and military was interested in supersonic
airplanes which traveled at much higher altitudes, so that
there was at this time a great pre sure on us to find methods
of Obtaining data, and the presence of the capabilities of
the U-2 airplane seemed to us to give the answer. Some of
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our advisory committees at the time were bringing to our
attention,the great peed for this information. ,X will
simply read pne extractv if I can find it quickly for you
and this committee Palled our attention to the fact, that we
did not have. airplanes available._ Ittere are three bic
regions within .which data_are availal?led. below 25,000,feet,
up to 30,000 feet with militaryvehicles, up_to_55,QOP.
feet where meager data are available from balloons and
rockets and inference from meteor trails. Existing research
vehicles are reaching to higher altitudes and so on, it is
recommended that emphasis be placed on obtaining quantitative
information on air turbulence at theiighc,:st altitudec =eason-
mbly obtainable with existing research vehicles.
Now this,program-was carriA on from 1956 through the
present time. NASA was established in October, October 1st,
1958, and this was one of the programs carried over into.
NASA,
might recall to you that OACA was not extensively in-
volved in aeronautical activities, that NASA, at present,
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space
in engaged in ipternational/acivities. So fax we have
not had any adverse reactions on the? part of people with
whom we are cooperating abroad in, space programs.
thin this this gives the general background an, ,I would be
glad to respond to questions or to continue with the NASA
chronology of the week of May 1st; as you desire, Mr.
Chairman.
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The Chairman. Perhaps we ought to proceed with questions.
The Chairman. Do you report directly to the President?
(7.) What is your hlerarchial relationship to the rest?
Mr. Dryden. At that time the NACA was managed by a
committee: of seventeen persons appointed by the President who
did report directly to him0
was the chief executive officer reporting to the
committee at the time this project was started.
The Chairman. In 1956?
Mr. Dryden. 1956.
The Chairman. At that time the agency was known as the
NACA?
Mr. Dryden. That is correct.
The Chairman. When did it 'change its name to NASA?
Mr. Dryden. October 1, 1958, not only changed its name
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but was connected with other parts of the government into
a completely new agency, the NASA.
The Chairman. How is that controlled? Does it report
to the President?
Mr. Dryden. It reports directly to the President, sir.
The Chairman. Is there a committee you say of seventeen?
Mr. Dryden. There is not a committee in NASA. There is
an Administrator and Deputy Administrator appointed by the
President with the advice and consent of the Senate.
The Chairman. Is there anyone on the staff of the
White House that is given the duty of receiving your reports?
Mr. Dryden. Doctor Glennan reports and talks very frequently
with the President himself. He does keep the Science Adviser
fully informed of our activities in space.
The Chairman. Who is the Science Adviser?
Mr. Dryden. Doctor Kistiakowski.
The Chairman. So if anyone has the direct responsibility
within the White House, The Presidency, the office of the
Presidency, is that Doctor -- whatRs his name?
Mr. Dryden. Kistiakowsk:... He is the Presidentls adviser
on science and technology. He has no line responsibility. He
is an adviser to the President.
The Chairman. An adviser. Now, the first that you knew
of this was the loss of the U-2 plane on May 1st.
Mr. Dryden, May 1st it was reported to the Administrator
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and myself that a U-2 had been lost, wit-nout further detail.
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The Chairman. And did he consult with you as to the
precise language of the release of May the 5th?
Mr. Dryden. What was
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The Chairman. Who drew up that language?
Mr. Dryden. It was discussed in consultation. The questions
the press asked were, who is the pilot, where was the airplane
going, what information do you have about it?
So that between CIA and ourselves, a list of these
questions which we had received was recorded, and the general
nature of the answers to these questions decided upon. Now,
let me tell you about the so-called release of the statement.
On the morning of Thursday, May 5th, was Khrushchevts announce-
ment that the plane was shot down. Somewhere between 11 and
12 otclock, I believe, the President directed an inquiry and
public report on the missing plane, and ae reported in the Herald
Tribune -- I do not have any other stenographic record In
quotes, it says, "At the White House, Mr. Hagerty announced
at the direction of the President a complete inquiry is being
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made. The results of these inquiries, the facts as developed
will be made public by the National Aeronautics and Space
Administration and the Department of State."
The reporters who had listened to Mr. Hagerty, many of
them, came immediately to our public information office
to obtain further information. We ourselves thought it was
better to take the agreed upon answers to the questions, to
write them into a statement, and give it to them all at once,
rather than engage in a general free-for-all on this subject.
I would like to emphasize that the text of that statement
as issued was not cleared with CIA or anyone else, although
the information in it, the answers to the questions that are
contained within it were cleared with CIA, and I am told by
them with State.
The Chairman. You discussed all of the substantive facts
and statements in that with representatives of the CIA?
Mr. Dryden. This is correct. It was not intended to give
out a statement. We were confronted with a large group of
reporters who wanted the facts. We could either engage in
a general free-for-all discussion we thought it preferable
to take these facts, put them in a piece of paper and give
it to all of them at once.
The Chairman. And you, after consulting with CIA, you
prepared this statement, and they knew what the statement
was?
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3 Mr. Dryden. I tried to say before that the statement
itself or the facts that were collected in a statement
was not cleared with anyone.
The Chairman. With anyone?
Mr. Dryden. With anyone but ourselves. The substance
of it had been cleared. The fact that it was written down
in a statement on a piece of paper was not cleared with anyone.
The Chairman. Before you issued this to the press, did
you have anyone from the Department of State look at it
and approve it?
Mr. Dryden. We had no contact with the Department of
State. Our direct contacts were solely with the CIA.
The Chairman. Has no one ever advised you that the
Department of State should be consulted when statements
affecting our foreign policy are made?
Mr. Dryden. I was told that these statements had been
cleared by CIA with State. I did not independently check that
fact.
The Chairman. Who told you that?
Mr. Dryden. The CIA people with whom we were dealing,
sir.
The Chairman. Can you give us your thinking about the
reason, for example, to put in in your statement that these
planes were being used in Japan and Turkey and California.
Why were you so specific about Japan and California?
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4 Mr. Dryden. We were asked by the press, "How many
U-2 planes does NASA have in its weather program? Where
are they operating?"
Now, much of this had been published in these documents
to which I referred which have been released.
(At this point, Senator Aiken withdrew from the hearing
room.)
Mr. Dryden. To take a specific one, one released
Just a few months ago on June, June the 19th, 19590 this has
been released generally, you will find in this that
these operations
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The Chairman. I dont wish you to read that memorandum0
only want to know what was your thinking. lou issued
this without checking it with the State Department. Why did
you put in there that they were operating out of Turkey?
Mr. Dryden. This published report
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The Chairman. You had already published it?
Mr. Drjden. Had said, "These flights were made from bases
at Watertown Strip, Nevada?"
The Chairman. I know, Nat those were weather flights.
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Mr. Dryden. We had mentioned Adana: Turkey, and
Atsugi, Japan, in thin free and open publication.
The Chairman. Senator Mansfield?
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Senator Mansfield. Doctor Dryden, have all our U-23s
been recalled since the Presidentis order of Thursday, a week
ago that there would be no further over-flights into the Soviet
Union?
Mr., Dryden. Not to my knowledge, sir. I believe at
the present time the airplanes are grounded. But I think
this is a question again that the operating people will have
to answer.
Senator Mansfield. Do you recall an incident which
occurred in Japan some months ago when a U-2, I assume, landed
at Atsugi and GIAs in helicopters -- landed from a helicopter
and ordered the 7:?.7anese civilians in the area to leave?
Mr. Dvyden. I remember the newspaper accounts of it. I
have no personal knowledge of the incident.
Senator Mansfield.,
Mr. Dryden. We made arrangements to put instruments in
U-2 airplanes. There comes back to us flight plans of weather
flights, and our instrumentation and the data from those
Instruments, and I do not have in advance knowledge even of
the weather flight operations --
Senator Mansfield. What I am referring to is a story
which appeared in Time Magazine two or three weeks ago and what
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was seeking was collaboration of that story, whether it was
true or false. But you have no personal knowledge?
Mr. Dryden.. I have no personal knowledge of it, sir.
Senator Mansfield. Your responsibility in these U-2
flights is primarily an observation and calculation covering
weather conditions?
Mr. Dryden. That is correct, and in those flights made
with U-29s with our instruments, for our purposes.
Senator Mansfield. What is Doctor Glennanqs relation-
ship? You are the Administrator of NASA.
Mr. Dryden. I am the Deputy Administrator, I appear
because I was here in 1956 through this program, from the
beginning.
Senator Mansfield, Doctor Glennan is the Administrator?
Mr. Dryden. He is the Administrator.
Senator Mansfield, And Doctor Glennan supposedly reports
directly to the President?
Mr. Dryden. To the President, yes, sir.
Senator Mansfield. But does he or does he not report
directly to Doctor Kistiakowsky?
Mr. Dryden. The President on the average sees him two
or three times a month.
Senator Mansfield. Where does Doctor Kistiakowsky --
Mr. Dryden. He is a member of the White House staff.
Senator Mansfield. I know that he is the Presidents
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Scientific Adviser.
Mr, Dryden. He is not in the line of command.
Senator Mansfield. The chain of command is directly from
Doctor Glennan to the President?
Mr. Dryden. Yes: sir.
Senator Mansfield. That is all.
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Senator Wiley. What was the date of that cover state-
Mx. Dryden. The Turkish story was put out by the
local commander in Istanbul on Tuesday, May 3. The statement
which we issued recording the agreed-upon answers to
questions was on Thursdayo May 5. If I might just continue
this, on Friday May 6 a NASA U-2 airplane was flown at Edwards
Air Force Base? exhibited to the press o they saw the instruments
that were used. They took movies of the airplane. On Saturday
May 70 Mr. Khrushchev reported that he had the pilot. At
6:00 p.m. State issued a statement admitting the reconnaissance
flight.
At 630 NASA directed all further inquiries to the State
Department.
Senator Wiley. Wello nowo lets get back to my question.
What was the date of the cover statement that the Chairman has
been talking about.
Mr. Dryden. The 5th0 as I understand ito sir.
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Senator Wiley. Moe then, againo NASA is primarily engaged
in -- not in what U-2 did, but in seeking weather information.
Mr. Dryden. We have no intelligence activities either
in the development of devices, methods, instruments or
operations.
Senator Wiley Now then, my understanding is that this
cover statement was the result of, let us say, previous
interrogation by the press.
Mr. Dryden. That is correct.
Senator Wiley. And that was reported, and when you
issued it you did not consult with Central Intelligence?
Mr. Dryden. Not or the statement itself.
Senator Wiley. What?
Mr. Dryden. Not on the statement itself but all of
the questions had been taken up with them. We had no source
of information. We asked how shall we reply to the name of the
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pilot, to the flight plan of the airplane and the answers
as. given us are incorporated in the statemente although the
exact text was not read back to CIA.
Senator Wiley. You referred to some publicity, that
was issued, I think you said in 1959.
Mr. Dryden. Well, the first press release on our U-2
project was released on May 70 1956.
Senator Wiley. Well, I mean you held up a blue docket
mmferring to '59.
Mr. Dryden. Yes0 this is some of the results.
Senator Wiley. Has that been made public?
Mr. Dryden. Yes,
Senator Wiley. Well, the part you referred to is
on what pages, because I want it in the record. I want to
try to get this story simple and clear.
Mr. Dryden. On page 3 of this NASA memorandum which
carries a number 4-17-59L9 the flights were made from
bases at Watertown Tripe Nevada, Lakenheath, England,
Wiesbaden, Germany, Adana0 Turkey and at Atsugie Japan.
Two additional flights were made from a base in Alaska and
these data have been combined with those from Japan in the
statistical treatment.
.Senator Wiley. Yes. Well now, you agree that that has
been public information now for some time?
Mr. Dryden. Yes.
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Senator Wiley. Since 19597
Mr. Dryden. And even earlier, I think in 1957 570
one, of them deals with the Western part of the United
States only, and I believe that 1959 is the one which gives
the list, yes, sir.
June of 1959.
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Eunator Wiley. That is all.
The Chairman. Senator Gore?
Senator Gore. In response to a question by me, Secretary
Dillon testified as follows:
"No, it was decided when we first heard of this, this
news, as I said earlier this mornings at this National
Security Council meeting or right after it, that was held out-
side of Washington, that the State Department would handle the
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publicity on this and that we would make any statement that
would be madeo and it was known at that time that we would
cake a statement."
That leads me toswonder why NASA was making a statement
at all, if this information --
Mr. Dryden. This informationj this decision, pf, which you
peak was not transmitted to us. I would like to remind_you
that this is all within a few hours now. The information
we had was a statement made at the White House which I read
to you that the reporters were referred to NASA and the
State Department for the facts and this was the extent
of my knowledge when the statement was issued.
Senator Gore. Then you did not know that a high level
decision had been made that the State Department wculd make
whatever statement was made with respect to this.
Mr. Dryden. That is correct. Within the three hours
or so of this interval, this was not passed to uso and I
would again say that so far as we were concerned the cover
story was in effect as the result of the collaboration with
CIA for the period from May 1 to May 7, and we did nothing,
we said nothing contrary to the agreed on facts relating
to the cover story
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=tor -take 4 Senator Gore. When did you first learn of this high
level decision that the State Department would make whatever
statement was made and would handle the publicity on this
1114 matter?
Mr. Dryden. I think that after the statement was issued,
there were some calls as to -- I do not know how to place
the time. The only thing I have been able to find in our records
is an instruction to our people as of Saturday to refer all
laquiries to the State Department. I believe that before that
time/ there had been some discussions of why the statement had
been issued by us/ and I have explained the reasons for that.
Senator Gore. I will get to that in a moment. When
did you first know that a decision had been made to which
110 Mr. Dillon referred, that the State Department would make
statements and would handle the publicity on this matter? You
say you were not informed that the decision had been made at
the time you made your statement.
Mr. Dryden. It was subsequent to the day of May 5th.
May 6th or May 7th. I have a record of May 7th. After the
State Departments statement at 6 p.m., that NASA would
refer all inquiries to the State Department, I believe we
were informed, probably on Friday the 6th, but I have no
specific record.
Senator Gore. Who informed you?
Mr. Dryden. I think it was a telephone call. I just do not
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have a specific recollection whether It came as a telephone
call or a contact with Dr. Glennan at lunch at the White
House, I just do not recall, sir.
We can perhaps clear that up for the record after
consultation, sir.
Senator Gore. I think it would be well if you can
do so.
You have referred several times to questions and answers
or the answers to questions as the case may be supplied to you
by CIA. Do you have a copy of that question and answer series?
Mr. Dryden. We may have some rough notation. What we
did was record the types of questions that the press was asking
Us, We then took those types of questions to the CIA and
'iscussed them with them as to the answers.
Senator Gore. Was there not a typewritten copy?
Mr. Dryden. To the best of my knowledge, no.
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Senator Gore. But you do have some noted --
Mr. Dryden. The statement iself enables you to reconstruct
the questions. They are generally who was the pilot, what
was the flight plan, where was the airplane supposed to go,
what was the roue ? how many airplanes does NASA operate
on weather missions, from what bases have these airplanes
been operating? I think you can reconstruct the questions
from the statement itself. I am not sure whether we can find
the notes that someone may have written down to refresh his
memory in discussing it
Senator Gore. Who instructed your agency to make a
statement?
Mr. Dryden. We were instructed to answer questions.
Senator Gore. By whom?
Mr. Dryden. By the CIA, who said that this had been
coordinated with the State Department.
Senator Gore. And the CIA gave you instructions to
respond to questions?
Mr. Dryden. We asked for information. The operation was
not ours. We had no knowledge of the operation itself. We
said, "Row shall we reply to these questions? We realize
the fact thetyou do not know very much about where this
airplane is, whether the Russians have an airplane, whether
they have thepilot. What do you want us to say in this interim
period? Can you find out more about it?"
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4 Senator Gore. You felt the burden of saying something,
did you?
Mr. Dryden. We felt the burden of answering questions
(:) because for four years the existence of this NASA weather
flight program had been known.
Senator Gore. And, meanwhile, no one informed you
that the decision had been made at the highest levels of
Government that the State Department would handle this?
Mr. Dryden. The discussions I referred to, the visits
of the press, were made within an hour or two of the making
of that decision at a place outside of Washington, and it
was not communicated to us within that two-hour period.
(:) Senator Gore. You have told us it wasntt communicated
to you at all.
Mr. Dryden. Until the following day.
Senator Gore. Until after you had made a statement?
Mr. Dryden. A statement. To get the chronology again,
this meeting to which you refer, at which the decision was
made, was on the morning of May 5th, somewhere between
11 and 12 otclock. A decision was made and Mr. Hagerty
informed the press at the direction of the President that
(74) the facts would be obtained through NASA and State. The
reporters came immediately over to our public information section
wanting to know some of these facts.
Senator Gore. Do you know whether either Mr. Hagerty
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or President Eisenhower had been informed of this
decision reached outside Washington?
Mr. Dryden. I think the President was outside Washington
at the time.
Senator Gore. It seems to Me that I recall the President
participated in this conference.
Mr. Dryden. I just do not know the details of that.
I think it vas given in the testimony of the Secretary of
State.
Senator Gore. Wasntt that a meeting of the National
Security Council?
Mr. Dryden. I do not know that, to my knowledge. The
statement is made
Senator Gore. Mr. Dillon,
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Mr. Dryden. The statement was made that Mr. Eisenhower
was at secret Civil Defense Headquarters.
Senator Gore. Will you repeat that?
Mr. Dryden. I say the statement says that President
Eisenhower was at his secret Civil Defense Headquarters.
Senator Gore. I will read from Mr. Dillons statement:
"Nowt Mr. Hagerty was not at the Security Council meeting,
but he was at that area out there where this exercise was
taking place, and so he was aware of the fact that the State
Department would be making a statement at noon that day at
out regular press conference time. Actually, the statement was
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6 delayed 45 minutes. It was made at 12:45 when our
regulary daily press conference took place.
"Senator Gore: Was It decided there that NASA would
11:) make a statement also?
"Mr, Dillon. It was not, to my knowledge, no. It was
not decided there that NASA would make a decision.
"Senator Gore. Who made that decision?
"Mr. Dillon. I think you will have to talk to NASA.
I don't know how made any such decision.".
So you say you decided upon instructions of CIA?
Mr. Dryden. No.
Senator Gore. Just how do you state it?
Mr. Dryden, I stated that we had received word of
the White House announcement that the facts will be made
public by NASA and the Department of State. Now, this means
I suppose that within this two or three hour period this
information was not transmitted to us. I do not know the
ake-4-a fls reasons.
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Senator Gore. Do you know if Mr. Hagerty called you
or Mr. Bonney or anyone in the Department suggesting that a
statement be made?
(:) Mr. Dryden. Not to my knowledge, sir.
Senator Gore. My time is up.
The Chairman. Yes. Senator Hickenlooper?
Senator Hickenlooper. Doctor Dryden, when the newsmen
came to the Information apartment of NASA, did the Information
Department act on its own?
Mr. Eryden. No, they did not. They acted in consultation.
Senator Hickenlooper. With you?
Mr. Dwden. With me, yes, sir.
Senator Hickenlooper. And it was in connection with that
consultation, based upon the information which you then had
about Mr. Hagerty9s statement that you authorized the issuance
of this statement by the Information Service of NASA?
Mr. Dryden. It was called a memorandum to the press.
I do not attribute sufficient importance to the distinction
between answering questions of reporters and giving them the
same information on a piece of paper.
(At this point in the proceedings, Senator Mansfield leaves
the hearing room.)
Senator Hickenlooper. After you had made the statement,
or your Information apartment had made this statement, issued
this statement, was this statement sent to the CIA or the
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?State Department?
Mr. Dryden. It was sent -- I do not know exactly what
time.
Senator Hickenlooper. And was the statement which was
issued by your Information Department -- perhaps you have
answered this question -- was that statement cleared with
CIA in its context or with the State Department prior to the
issuance by your Information Service?
fr. Dryden. I have answered that. The statement; as
written, was not cleared.
The information in the statement had been previously
cleared by CIA, with State.
Senator Hickenlooper. So that the statement was based;
then, upon the understandings which had previously been had?
Mr. Dryden. This is correct.
Senator Hickenlooper. With CIA?
Mr. Dryden. This is correct.
Senator Hickenlooper. And with the State Department?
Mr. Dryden. Nothing -- no substantive information was
added to it.
Senator Hickenlooper. Now, just to get this cleared up
a little bit, after you learned of the statement of Mr.
Hagerty, which I believe was the source of your determination
to make this statement, after you had learned of that statement
of Mr. Hagerty that NASA and the State Department could give
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information on this matter, did you get in touch with the
White House, Mr. Hagerty, or any authoritative person there;
or with the.State Department?
Mr. Dryden. I did not. I say I perhaps erroneously did
not see the difference between answering questions of a large
number of reporters and putting the same thing down on a piece
of paper. It is the same information.
Senator Hickenlooper, I believe that is all, Mr. Chair-
man.
The Chairman. Senator Lausche?
Senator Hickenlooper. Oh, yes, I wanted to ask do you
have a copy of that statement?
Mr. Dryden. Yes, the Committee has it already.
Senator Hickenlooper. I understand it is in the documents.
That is all right.
The Chairman. It is in the documents.
Senator Gore. Also, I believe you were going to supply
to the Chairman the question and answer series.
Mr. Dryden. I was going to see if there is around, a
pencilled memorandum of the questions. I am not sure that
there is.
(At this point in the proceedings, Senator Aiken and
Senator Randolph enter the hearing room.)
Senator. Gore. If there is?
Mr. Dryden. If there is, I will supply it to the Chairman.
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The Chairman. Senator Lausche?' That is found on page
4 of the documents.
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Senator Lausche. At the time you issued your statevent
you did not have knowledge of what the Soviet knew about
it and what actually happened?
Mr. Dryden. We did not.
Senator Lausche. Did you have knowledge of the instructions
that were given to the pilot?
Mr. Dryden. No sir. No knowledge about the operations.
Senator Lausche. And that is
Mr. Dryden. We heard Khrushchevts press announcements of
courses that morning.
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2 Senator Lausche I think that is all that I have with
this witness.
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3 The Chairman. You think that your position as an
intrnational w.iather gatherer has been compromised by this
U-2 incident?
Mr. Dryden. No, so far,
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