EDITORS FEAR INTELLIGENCE BILL

• Document Type: CREST
• Collection: General CIA Records
• Document Number (FOIA) /ESDN (CREST): CIA-RDP90-00552R000505350008-7
• Release Decision: RIPPUB
• Original Classification: K
• Document Page Count: 1
• Document Creation Date: December 22, 2016
• Document Release Date: August 24, 2010
• Sequence Number: 8
• Publication Date: October 7, 1980
• Content Type: OPEN SOURCE

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THE TEMPLE UNIVERSITY NEWS
7 October 1980
Special to the Newsmonths earlier in the magazine Q Y Y
Exposing covert action is an
(issue number 6). Nothing happen endless task. Do you see any end
Copyright Daniel Tsang, 1980 ed to him. Second, his family was in sight?
This is the second part of an inter- not home. Third, there's a question R: We focus on the CIA because no,
view with Ellen Ray (R) and whether he was , even home., other'single agency or operation
William Schaap (S), - two of the Fourth, a maid sleeping in the has killed as many people around
three co-editors of CovertAction I back said she heard nothing and the world as the CIA has. When .
Information Bulletin, -target of l slept all night. Fifth. the story you add up all the deaths.... over i
about bullets whistling through
Congressional legislation aimed at half a million, I believe (the CIA'.
was) directly responsible.
criminalizing the disclosure (when the' child's bedroom, aside from
revealed from public documents) of 1 the fact that the child was S: Nobody else, no other American
the identities of CIA covert) thousands of miles away on vaca- agency or any other agency is `
operatives and officers. tion -weren't even true. And responsible quantitatively or,
there were some bullet marks in qualitatively for the same amount '
Q: How would the law affect pro-,, the wall of the garage adjoining of destruction as the CIA. When
gressive groups abroad that use the house.. - you think about Indonesia, Iran,
your information? R: And the so-called grenade was a Guatemala, and Chile, and endless
R: They won't get our information. :'little hole in' the ground.... other cases. There certainly'4,
By Daniel Tsang ou focus on the CIA?'
is untrue We had named him nine)
Wh do
the information. Also the bill has
extraterritorial effect as far as
wouldn't be aoie to as -eae tuuua iuvuu..b .. -a +? ?, r: - --- -
of exposures even living overseas. police. then find out two or three years
If they were in a country where R: He called the opposition later that always at the exact mo-'
there was an extradition treaty, newspaper, the CIA newspaper, ment they were saying we stopped
they could be extradited. the Gleaner - that's another, in- doing it, they were still doing it.
Q: Was the CIA able to push this dication that he wasn't even at They change their names
bill through Congress because, of home when it happened. One sometimes, or they move to
what happened in Jamaica (where would assume that if all this hap- another country. but they keep on
the CIA" Station Chief's house ( pened, that he would have called doing it everywhere.
allegedly was shot at)? ` r the police or someone immediate Q: How effective do you think you
S: Oh, absolutely. Nobody thought ly. The incident allegedly happen-. have been against the CIA?
it would even come uR this year. ed at 2:30 in the morning, and he
For three years in a row a couple of didn't notify the Gleaner until 8:30 R: I _ think the very fact that the
the real rightwingers hadintroduc- or 9:30 the following morning. CIA calls us their Number One'
ed roughly similar legislation. And S: There's probably no way of Enemy - I don't think that's true
it never got anywhere, -it never knowing for sure, but it just looks at all - but I believe we must.be
`fen got out of committee. It's one funny. affecting them. We're three peo- of the reasons ' we think. the R: Another interesting thing is ple,..doing this ... if there were'
Jamaica incident was a phony., that the.U.S. press did not send three hundred doing this, even
because it was used by the CIA to anyone at all down to investigate though the CIA probably has
whip up Ilils,hysteria to gat this the alleged attack. They just took 30-50 thousand employees, and !
thing moving-like crazy: to-such an the word of the Gleaner. many many more when you count
extent. that the Congressional S: The stories that came out had their agents, I think we could br- I
committees aren't even several not just inaccuracies but ing them to their knees.
deliberating on these things - absolute lies in them because Q: Even though you haven't been
they're having rushed meetings nobody investigated. They all talk- exposing CIA agents in "deep',
with everybody standing and yell- ed about the housing having been cover," that still bothers the CIA?.
ing, 'Get something fast, we don't bombed, whereas as we said there S: Rarely, when we get informa-
care what it i?!', ending up with ' was a little hole in the ground, 30 _; tion or a journalist has a story for
what we think is one'of the most yards away from the house, and no us, we would do that, but it's very,
unconstitutional laws. grenade fragments. There was a very difficult. But it hurts them t
Q: Why do you think the Jamaica story in an American paper saying precisely because their major mis-
incident was a phony? 'miraculously his young daughter sion is recruiting agents to. in ef-
S: First of all the concept of his escaped injury.' Well, she was . feet be traitors to their own coun-
(Richard Kinsman) having been away on vacation in the- United tries, and to do their dirty tricks
named (as CIA Station Chief in States. The stories were bizarre, for.them. And their major vehicle
Jamaica) just a day or two before they just laid it on so thick and
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happen early in the muLiu=.5 because cney re nun gv.s.s . -r+
he never called the police. the dirty tricks. They usually say,
Ultimately, later the following when something gets exposed.