CONFERENCE REPORT ON HOUSE JOURNAL RESOLUTION 372, PUBLIC DEBT LIMIT INCREASE

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November- 1, 1985 - CONGRESSIONAL
I am not partla8arbr craay about
either of the deileit reduction plans
that will be brought today before the
House, bbt I will icy' Marty people
are worried, If they acute vote agahist
these measures they Would be Called
special interest Congressmen.
Well, It have to say that I will not
apologise for supporting senior cIti-
VsU8, per children, food stamps and
nutrition programs for our poor
people, and I do not think we shorted
apotsgise for It.
I think Members of this House do
not really understand either of those
I aetien Plans; they were haiatily but
together, and we have a shaft= wed-
ding here today to try and resolve a
deficit plan that is bigger them any
minable threat to Amerim and I do not
think that is the any to legiahate.
A DEFICIT REDUCXTCI'f
M> JAN M MUST U4V T ime
(Mr. CARPER asked and was given
permission to address the House for 1
minute and to revise and extend his
remarks)
Mr. CAPAnm Mr. Speaker and my
colleagues. in Wt8 Congress adopted a
law. That law, said that We are goiiny to
balance the budget. We are going to
balance the budget by I8il." . .
Welt, ton ramie and' went ; t his deft-
ctts remained, and the defWM have
grown. I thfrrk ft is clear that we need
something with teeth. ladies and yen-
tiemen. We need an enforcemetlt
meek ' 'duo that win woad Oramm-
Rudmsp, for all of its deltctepC11, as
at least one positive fe It has
to t , tt bw molars, big aplds tt has
got .
The Democratic alternative that Is
going to be proposed today. reta#as
that feature, and I tMak ft aho tin-
prom considerably en. several of the
deficiencies of the Orannn-Rudman
We~will speak today of path, the
kind of pain that sedans budget deli.
eft reduction will cause programs ftnr
housing, mime vROMIs, ctdldree. der
(ease and so forth. Let us nme beT,
hcwe*er, that there is a lot of pairs out
there that is caused' by an oaiof-eon-
trol national debt of $2 trWlers The
Oak of trade donuft fifer $IM billion
and the loss of 2 nd0ion Ai ne:fean job
since IM We can bast fight that
pain. ladies and gentlesarf, by taking
some tough medicine today: The
Democratiic absadve . is that medi-
cine.
A MAJOR CRIME WITHOUT A
CRIMINAL
(Mr. HVOHE asked and was given
permission to address the House for I
minute and to revise and extend his
remarks)
Mr. HUGHES. Mr. Speaker. the De-
partment of Justice seems to have
brought about another at Se eonthru-
ins series of anlraedes t mederef Amfer-
ican jurisprudence--a. major a lme
without a erisaloaL
~- HOUSE !f p575
Rockwell In Corp., which
had $6.2 bill I l in en se contracts
last year, hart , aged to plea bar-
gain awayF.c Charges of fraudu-
lently billing. Uk* , Ooi-ernment for
$300,000. -
The masiaatmt Am that the compa-
ny can receive is x;800; which is, as
usual, Ieva time tTlEt'lmgount ripped off
from the OUvertrm . The company
also agreed to -make restitution and
pay the cost of the Investigation.
Although the Government alleges,
and the company aiadts by its guilty
plea, that at leant six eamployew tAsi-
fied time cards on, a $8.6 million con-
tract, no indIdJt)sts were charged.
This case"thus'that place along aide
its felonious slbiiogs-rBank of Boston,
E.F., Hutton, Sperry. and General
Electric, in which assupanies miracu-
lously sorieew faamuir$e, said Carey
out crimknl aetirltiei'without any in-
dividuals
Thia 1* 4 am disturbing urbing in
that Rockwell his appsren;iy been
charged with ' similar overcha;gkd at
least twice in reset years, but spared
a trip to the wooidrei most recently
in 1982, when his! any was spared
criminal pros ebtfoer and debarment
from addition Pt . n contracts
upon its promise not to repeat the of-
fense-the asset off .e that tine Jus-
tice Department has this week plea
bargained awed -
Regrettably, the:dtdurbing trend In
which the rich ; -ands well-connected
have a smworatisr! `b bIde behind are
allowed to gp' bW '-they return a
piece of what they I** stolen, while
the. ordinary .cheep has the book
thrown at beau. tensile yet another
shameful example,
THE RPXXMW,AND THE
(Mr. WALMIR aakediand was given
permission to ad+ess the House for 1
minute.)
~.~.~,.YWAIJK > Speaker. whey it
cremes to economic matters In
this I3ititlie, there are ease ntially'two
groups that,** fall into Io thisbgdp:
The spenders and ",builders. The
spenders are those who beBeve that
Government itself can, be the anluIion
to the problems. The builders us
people who believe that aor3ety oilers
the kind of solutions that go beyond
Government.
W. WH$ONW. ' Speaker. Item-
bWs of the HmSSL that is a situation
that r think most of us stay not know
abaw that has occurred is adober, in
which the batter -alletmept from the
commodity prograli for the very poor-
est of the poor to our country has
been cut by bb percent.
Now, this has been done at the insti-
gation of the st4Rgtrlne lobby, which
maintains that db ributing surplus
butter which we have stored all over
the countryand have to throw away,
that surplus butte given to people on
AFDC and 6thtc eatr~esne poverty pro-
grams hotter the sale of marga-
I submit that this is Impossible: that
the people who teed these commod-
ities are sot, that they are being im-
properly
tthat the U~~ more Is than that,
going to
throw butter sway theta are paring
for, that Is noodod,by the poor people
of this country. ;
THE CSOiECl I8 SIMPLE
(Mr. GD9ORZC* asked and was
given perudadon to address the House
for 1 mid) .
Mr. GINGRIQL vii Speaker, let me
Just say that weareveiag to hear a lot
of rhetoric today and that' there are
sae's to, be a lest Of efHi to eaVsin
not only how meted Oramm-
Rudman is, but best complicated the
dramatically, , iM , .1 drafted
Rostenkowaktatrreode to are.
I think that Wag in ought to recog-
nize that we =ar* to The end. going to
get a straight dawn ''rota' on
Gramm-leaser. iire`do not set one
today; then I is Senate will
not agree to tits owaki amend-
ments, and we wl be back here next
week In theraasnepies.
When we R 1h Pau the Gramm-
Rudman, which tk we will do
eventually. It to be complicat-
ed, and those are . going to argue
that we faces toilt_~ 'fharted waters
are right; bust; `. the ' .Choice is very
simple: We take the first major
step toward east slling spending In a
way which totem the Defense Depart-
ment and the PVbdldeM to submit a
budget different than
wheat tpey wail d. without this, or
we continue down the road of large
deficits and iatearwRrollsd -1 -ltedferal
What we have todaJ.fa two 'site
f
b
tives
e
ore us: One brought to you'b
the spenders, oneIno!ught to you b
the Whim. What we are
what you are hearing from the
Brats is: Trust the spenders. What
are asking you to do? hX Trust the
builders.
riAm7~.~PJ1RC2K'r GUT IN
OIVRAWAYS TO POOR
DIBADYANTAOO fNFAINMY
Ear. eahli,and was.etwn
t tar adik[w-fhs Hoare fear 1
lrtin
CDliJ NCS RWORT Olt
BOUSK JOURNAL
31i8, PUWJC DI?T LIMIT Ilh
Mr. IDOBTHNgo MM submitted
the faiboadns costeren a report and
statement cm the joint resin Mn (H.J.
Rea. 372)
increasing the, 'ettrZat~oey
Nam on VIM e`t1Ebh
Coxtsaareelr sW(i Rmr. Yi--881)
The committee 'doeOWenee on the dis-
agreeing votes at to two, Houses on the
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lutton (H.J.Res. 373) increasing; the statuto-
ry limit on the public, debt, having met,
after full and free conference, have been
unable to agree.
From the Committee on Ways and Means:
DAN Roarmnxowsxz,
Sax M. Gnnows,
J.J. PICKER,
C.B. RANOxI,
PsTS STARK. ?
JAMS= JONSR,
ED Jxxx!NS,
RicnAaD Oilxaxir,
MARTX Russo,
Josh J. DUNCAN.
BILL ARORU,
G~i~AIIDER JAWT,
BILL FRmzsL4R-NS.
From the-Committee on Appropriations:
JAMIS Wkirsmi,
EDwaRS P. BoLuID,
WILLym J!, NAB,
Naas $I,
C. Poiioli , ..
TOM LOWrLSS, ,
Freln the Committee an Rules:
CLAM* Perdu.
Jos MOAxxii,
BUTLER DRRZICK,
ANTHONY C. BSnsNSON,
MARTIN FROST,
TLOTT
From the Committee on the Budget:
WILLIAM H. DRAT,
Osaws wftuj a,
MAmN LsATH,
JAM Kaar,
From the Committee on Government Op-
erations:
JACK BROOKS,
DON FUQUA. -
HURT tlritkxAN, . ,
TaoMAS N. KINDNESS,
As additional conferees:
TXOMA* S. VOL".
OUT,
DAVIS
M
R.
N PARHTTA OAItAt,
Leo,
VIC FAStO,
ROBERT H. MICNSL,
DICK Cases' ',
LYNN MARTIN,
ComNIX MACK,
Managers on the Port of the Howe.
Bos PACAwoon,
BILL ROTA,
Pars V. DOMgNtcx,
J. C. DAN-ORTH.
W. L. ARMerIona.
Rusw,i B. Lose,
lA YD BsNTSM.
LAwroxt CHILRS.
CARL Lsvnr,
Managers on the Part of the Senate.
JOINT EXPLANATORY STAT=1XNT OF. Ts!
COIO[ITT.< or CONrERENCa
The managers.,Qn true. part of the House
and the Senate at the conference on the dis-
agreeing votes dd the two Housed on 'tom
amendments Qf the mate to the joint rano-
lutlon (H.J. Res. 37;), increasing the statu-
tory limit on the public debt, submit the fol-
lowing Joint statement to the House and the
Senate In explanation of the-effect of the
action. agreed upon by the managers and
recommended in the accompanying confer.
once report.,
From the Committee on Ways, and Means
DAN RosTmncowsxi,
8A* M. Osssoxa.
J
C B. PANOW,
PETS SrAuX,
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Jaws JoNxs,
FFo JENKIN~S~,~~~~~
RICKARD C3srHARDT,
MARTY Russo.
JOHN J. Duncan,
Bxix. ANclme,
GUY VANDER JAOT,
PNILIP M. CRANE,
BILL FszsirrsL, :
Prom the Committee on Appropriations:
Janus Warrygn.
EDWARD P. IOI:AND,
Wut,Ixs[ M NaTClsa.
Nw. 8112 a,
C. PURN=l
TION Losartss.
From the Committee`on Rules:
CLaunah INW,
Jos Moe icy.,
TstoT +oieF:;
From ttre C iteee oa the Budget: .
-Wsurvas 1~c1~aAT. .
(lsoaanDtnasa,.-
MAIVI YhATa,
JACK KiMP,
From the Committee on Government-Op-
erationx "I. I
JAM BROOKS,
DON FuauA,
HENRY WARMAN.
FRANK Ammy,
AS additional cod
T OMAS S. FOitx*,
DAVIS O1/!,
M.R. OaxAR,
LOW PAa ITTA,
VIG.p"ALI~ ~IfRfB? .
0 JUM,
Managers on the Part 41 the House
BOI PACKWOOD.
Bea Rdr ,' Pxrs V.Dmmaci,
J.C. DASpoRva,
W.L. AuwTROlso,
Russu& $. Loxa,
LLOYD RXIMEN,
LAWaoN Canes,
CARL Lsvm,
Managers on the Part of the Senate.
Mr. ROSTENKOWSKL Mr.. Speak-
er..pursuant to the order of the House
of October 31, 1985, I call up the . n-
ferinoe report on the joint resole on
(Hal. Res. 372) increasing the ststtlto-
ry limiton the public debt.
The_Clerk. read the title of the joint
resolution.
The WEAKER. The Clerk will read
the report.
The Clerk read the report.
IN assAOSSOmtr
The, 8 The Clerk will
report the. first amendment in
agreement:
The Clerk read as follows:
Senate amendment No. 1: Page 1. line 7,
insert:
SEC. 2. MINIMUM CORPORATE TAX BY CORPORA.
TIONS.
Notwithstanding any other prSvlsion of
this joint reuOluton, the 8enate:CeS. tee
on 1?'lnauce.. M . is report to the
Senate by July' I, 1985, legialion,provllinit
for payment of an alternative raldmum bboo
poste taz by s+orpontiow m the broadest
feasible definition of income to assure that
November 1, 1985
all of those with economic income pay their
fair share of taxes: Provided, That said al-
ternative minimum Corporate tax shall take
effect for corporate tax years commencing
on or after. October 1. 1986. Tile revenue
raised
the FederarU* tax l f d ~ be plied to reduce
Mr..ROSTENKOWSKI (during the
reading). Mr. Speaker. I ask unani-
mous consent that the Senate amend-
ment be considered as read and print-
ed-In the Rscoaa,
The SPEAKER. Is there objection
to the request of the gentleman from
Illinois?
Mr. WAI,SER...Mr. Speaker, reserv-
ing the to object.
t; I 'do so to ask the gen-
t1inm *= 111113012 [Mr. Rosraimow-
aail. Ju d what rinds is. We. are proceed-
ing in a. pirooesa here; that bas not
given the Members . much chance for
information.. .. -
I wilt- be glad to yield to the gentle-
man from Illinois [Mr. Rosrsxxow-
SKI].
^ 1210
Mr. ROSTENKOWSKI. In answer
to the question of the gentleman from
Pennsylvania, this amendmntly
provides complementary to
that found in the other body's version
of this .legislation concerning' the de-
velopment and reporting of an alterns-
tlve minimum corporate tax.
The language requires the Commit-
tee, nonr ttys *Ad,, M a to, report an
alt~rra ve tact, no Inter than
October .1..1 16. , n to add that
the Co ttee op. W09,80 Means
currently has under active oonslder-
atioa a"'very strong corporate .mi~ai-
mum tax aa:part::qf its tax reform leg-
islation, which it is our intention to
report in a very short while.
Mr.. WAT.I R. Further reeervifag
the right to object, let me ask the gen-
tleman, do we assign any parameters
to this?, For instance. are we saying
that the measure being, marked up in
committee Is the; measure that they
must came forward. with? Is there pro-
tection in here for industries that are
struggling on the brink of bankruptcy?
Mr. ROSTENKOWSKL In answer
to the gentleman's inquiry, the amend-
ment goes no further than the Sen-
ate's amendment did. . ,
Mr. WALKER It is simply to in-.
struct that some kind of a minimum
tax be reported out.
Mr. ROSTENKOWSKI.' To be re-
ported out by Ways and Means by Oc-
tober of next Few,
Mr. WALKER. I thank the gentle-
man.
Mr. Speaker, I withdraw my reserva-
tion of objection.
The SPEAKER. Is there objection
to the request of the gentleman from
Illinois?
There was no objection.
]ROTION OFFERED Sr AM
Mr. ROST'ENKEIWSKI. Mr. Speak-
er. I ? offer-a motion.
The Clerk read as follows:
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vars. lnauiraas{oe: Treat Fund and the Federal
Disability Insurance Trutt Fund for a fiscal
year, and the taxes payable under sections
1401(a). 3101(a), and 3111(a) "o/ the .Internal.
Reverent Code of 1954 during such fiscal
year, shall be included. in total revenues for
such fiscal Year, and the disbursements of
either such, Trutt Fund for such fiscal year
shall, be. included in total budget outlays for
such fiscal year.
"(7) The term 'maximum deficit amount'
means-
"(A) with respect to the fiscal year begin-
ning October 1, 1985, $180,000,000,000;
"(B) with respect to the fiscal year begin-
ning October 1, 1986, $144,000,000,000;
"(C) with respect to the fiscal year begin-
ning October 1, 1987, $108,000,000,000;
"(Dl with respect to the fiscal year begin=
ping October 1, 1988, $'!2,000,000,000;
"(L) with respect to the fiscal year begin.
ningOctober 1, 1981, $36,000,000,000; and
"(F) with respect to the fiscal year begin
nine October 1, 1990, zero.
(3) ReCONCIIJATION.-
(A) ANNUAL CoNcunneNr BasoLVtION ON rm
BVDarr.-
(I) DIwPCT70NS TO COMMerrrrzs.-Section
301(b) of.'the Congressional Budget Act of
1974' (as' amended by, paragraph
(1)(BJ(iv)(III) of this- subsection) is farther
amended-
(I) by -striking out "may also require" in
the matter preceding paragraph (1) and in-
serting 'in lieu thereof shalt also, to the
extent necessary to - comply with subsection
(c;
III) by ? inserting "require" after the Para-
graph designation in paragraph (11;
(111) by, inserting "require" after the para-
graph designation in paragraph (2),? and
(IV) by redesignating paragraphs (1) and
(2) as parOgrapha 12) and (3), respectively,
and inserting before paragraph 12) (as so re-
designateed) the following now paragraph:
"(lispecjfy and direct any combination of.
the matters described in paragraphs (1), (2),
and (3) of section 310(a);'
Hi) COMDAWNa MUNtus.-
(I) SWUM 310(a) of such Act is amended-
(aa) by inserting 'br" at the and of para-
graph (2):
(bb) by striking out ';? or" at the end of
paragraph. (3) and inserting in lieu thereof a
period; and
(cc) by striking out paragraph 141.
(II) Section 310(d) of such Act is amended
by striking out 'subsection (el" and all that
follows through "year'' and inserting in lieu
thereof 'subsection (b) with respect to a con-
current elution ' on the budget adopted
under section 301(a) not later than June 15
of each year':
(111) Subsections (e) and. (/) of section 310
of such. Act ,are amended by. striking .out
"subsection (c)" each place it appeals and.
inserting inlieu therreo "subsection /b)':
(IV) Section 300 of such Act is amended by
inserting irnaaediateiy aa(9er the seeond:item
relating to )Kay 15 the following new item:
action ox. recondua+.
tbnl bill or r solutioi,
or both, irxpiemeneing
annual required con.
current remlutioa;':
(B) PzRJissmLN asvzs)ONY ol- coNCVpRgm
RESOLUT1OM ON 7716 BrlDOS7.-
(i) fw ogzvxau.-Section 104(a) of such Act
(as redesignated by paragraph (2)(B)(i) of
the! subsectfo& is amended by adding after
the period the following new-sentence. "Any
concurrent resolution adopted under this
section shall specify' and direct any combi-
nation of the matters. described in Para-
graphs' (11, (2), and (3) of section 310(x) to
the extent necessary to comply with subsec-
tion /bl."
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(ii) ? CoNroxamyo cWwms.-%%etfon 310(d)
of such Act (as amended by subparagraph
(A)(W(II) of this paragraph) is further
amended by adding at the end thereof the
following new sentence: :"-Congress shall
complete action on any, reconciliation bill
or reconciliation. resolution reported under
subsection (b/ with respect to a concurrent
resolution on-the budget adopted under see,
How. 304(a) not later than 30.days 'after the
adoption of the concurrent resolution, "
(4) LIMITATION oN AMrZNDNZNSi.-
(A) CoNCUxxsNT RstcvrIou- ON TNs
BUDaLT.-
(ii -House of RsrasssxTmTrvza-Section
305(x)(6) of such Actis amended--
(1) by inserting "(AI" After the paragraph
designation .and
(Il) by adding at the tend thereof the fol-
lowing new subparhgruphc .
"(5121 JVo amendment thatwould .have
the 60eel of increasing any spec s budget
outlays above the .level at such outlays set
forth in, a concurrent resolution on the
budget, or of_sedueing aay.apectfle Federal
revenues. below the lava of such revenues set
forth in such, concurrent -reso utio.s shall be
in order, unless such amendment ensures
that the amount of the deaf twit for any fiscal
year set forth in each concurrent--resolution
is not increased,. by making at - least an
equivalent reduction in-. :.-other specific
budget outlays or at least an equtvaliersi in.
crease in other specific Federal revenuer, or
atleast any combination thereof.
"(ii) Clause (I) of this, subpiarvOrassk- shall
not apply to any fiscal year forwhiclra dec-
laration of war has been enacted.':,
(ii) Sanura.-Section 305(b)(2) of such: Act
is amended-
(1) by inserting "(AI" before the paragraph
designation; and
(II) by?adding at the end thereof the 101-
lowing um subparngrapA
?"(Wli)No amendment-that would. have
the effect of increasing any srmct c budget
outlays abode the level oA such ;outlast ad
forth in a concurrent, resolution on -the
budget, or of reducing any speck Federal
revenues below the teed of such rvdenire''Set
forth in such ooneur+eat reaatution,? shall be
in ? order unless such, amwiftemew enforce
that the amount of the deylett fir'any, focal
year set forth in?the concurrent resolution it
not increased, by making -t bad an egeetva-
lent reduction in other specific budget-out-
lays or at least an equivalent increase: in
other specific Federal reevenues,, or at toast
any equivalent combination VWW..
"(ii) Clause ft) of tin aubperagri4 Stall
not apply to any fiscal : yearfbi- hich a pea
laration of war has been enacted.".
(B) RECONCHAN770N 1U43 AND R SOLU-
r7on -Beetion 310 of such .Act Is amended
by inserting after subsection .(b) (as redesig-
nated by paragraph (1)(ANii) of this subsec-
tion) the following new subsection-
"(1/ LawrArmir ox A I~1 #m To RtCOMF
CiLL.noxBiuee ahrgar~_;..
"(1) It shall not be in order: in #j the
House of Reps sentatives, or thq Sssfant bye Which the ddb
cit for a fiscal pear will .crcow the moss-
mum deficit amount for such f scal-yeas; the
President shallelifainnate the." amount of
the deficit excess ft Issuingg an order that-
(II subject to clauses fit). (iii), and (iv) of
this subparagraph, and notwithstanding the
Impoundment Control Act of 1974, elimi-
nates one_-half of such-eesce s by m odWag
or suspending the operation of each provi-
Sion of Federal law that would (but for such
order) require an automatic spending in-
crease to take effect during such fiscal year;
in such a manner as to reduce by a u*tib m
percentage (but not below aerol the amount
of outlay increase under each such provi-
sion, and
(II) subject to clauses (ii), (iii), and (iv) Of
this subparagraph eliminates one: half of
such excess by sequestering from each affect-
ed program. project or activity (as defined
in the most_recently enacted relevant appro-
priations Acts -and, accompanying commit-
tee reports) or from each affected account if
not so dunned for funds provided ern annual
appropriations Acts or, otherwise from each
budget account, such amounts of budget au-
thority, obligation lin-idation, other budget-
ary resources; and loan limitation, and by
adjusting payments provided by the Federal
Government, to the extent necessary to
reduce the outlays for each controllable ex-
penditure by a uniformpercentage: Provid-
ed That any periodic payments to individ-
uals or families which are in the nature of
income support, supplementation!, or assist-
ance (including payments-made pursuant to
section 32 of the Intenial Revenue Code of
1954 as amended or pursuant to chapter'11
or 13 of title 3h United States Code) and
which are paid to such individuals or Anti-'
NO directly by the Thsited Staten (Or by 'a
person or entity acting as an agent of the
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United States) shall not be reduced pursuant
to this subelause to a level which is tower
than the level that would be payable in the
absence of this subedause, but' in the case of
compensation, pursuant to chapter 11 or 13,
of title 38, United States Cody a cost-of-
livinb adjustment enacted into law to
become effective in the fiscal year that is the
first fiscal year to which the order described
in this clause applies shall be treated as an
automatically-indexed program for purposes
of subeiause (i) Q r this clause;
and shad transmit to both Houses of the
Congress a message-
(111) identifying-
(awl the total amount and the percentage
by which automatic spending increases are
to be reduced under subolause (I) of this
elauss,
Ibb) the total amount of budget -authority,
obligation limitations, goat limitations,
and othtr.budgetary msourom which is to be
sequestered under subeiause fit) of this
clause with respect to controllable expeendi-
lures, -
toc) the'amount of budget authority obli-
gation, linnitmtiau, loam limitations, and
other budgetary reesour es which is-to be se-
questered with respect to each such control-
fable expenditure in order to reduce it by the
required percentage; and
- (dd) the account, department, or establish-
ment ot. the Oovsnuosent to which each
amount of budget. authority, obligation limi-
tations, loan limitationw? and other budget-
ory resources described in subotause (II) of
this clause would be available for obliga-
tion; and . .
(IV) providing full supportingdetsils With
respect to each action, to be taken under sub-
elause (Il or (II) of this clause.
Upon -receipt in the Senate and the Rouse of
Reprdsentattves, the message shill be re-
feflW -to -an eonalaf6ees 'with jnerisdiction
over progr rats. ,prosm or. 96tiofties e=ffect-
ed by'it
Iii) Zxcr,rra,-If, 4n order to reduce by
one-half BU -amount 60 I hilt the dencit for
a fiscal year exceeds the maximum deficit
amount'forsuih fiscal year, actions under
clause (WI) would require the reduction of
automatic spending increases below sera
then, in order not to require such reductions
below mro, the remaining amount shall be
achieved through further uniform reduc-
tions under clause W(I1t).
(iii) LDE AVON.-No -action taken by the
President under suboause (I) or (II) of
clause (1) shall have the effybet of eliminating
any program, project, or activity of the Fed-
eral Government
ft) LtxrrirroM-Any automatic spending
increases modined or suspended, or any
amounts of budget authority, obligation
limitation; other budgetary resources, or
loan limitations sequestered by an order of
the President under this Act are permanent-
ly cancelled, and tot teal righk if any, of
persons to receive such automatic spending
increases shell be deemed to be extinguished
to the extent that the operation of.laws pro-
viding for such increases are modified or
suspended by such at order.
iv) Nothing in subdause (I) or (II) of
clause (i) shall be construed to give the
President new authority to alter the relative
priorities in the Fedeyl budget that are es-
tablished by laws aid no person who is, or
becomes, eligible for benefits under any pro-
vision I of tap shaa. be, denied eligibility by
reason of this seectioA.
(B) DAIS ISSVSD.-
(i) Po #'ivs XW 1C04)wc anowrx-lf Use
estimate 'of real economic growth set forth
in 's report tonpssmmitted,under paragraph (1)
of th4 subseGtlo* is zero or greater, the
President shall issue the order required to be
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outlays for benefits payable under the old-
age, survivors, and disability insurance pro.
gram established under lift. it of the Social
Security Act outlays due to increases in pro.
gram participation rates, outiays for prior-
Year
public debt Such term doll also include
funds for etti(ssting contracts unleas-
hi penattp provisions in such contract
would produce a not loss to the Government
or
NO reduction of the contract violates legal
obligations of the Government
(H) The term '.equester" means the per.
manent cancellation of budget authority
obligation limitations, other budgetary m
sources, or Was limitations, to the extent
necessary to reduce each controllable ex-
penditure by a.untform percentage,
(1) The terns "other budgetary
resources"
means unobligated b tans., reimburse'
meats, receipts credited to an account and
recoveries of prior year obligations.
NO The-amount by which the deficit for s
fiscal year exceeds Ike maximum deficit
amount for such fiscal year shall:be treated
as "9tatistiealty signifcant" if the amount
of such excess is greater than S per ent of
such maximum deficit amount For pur-
poses of the fiscal year beginning October J.
1985, the preceding sentence shall be applied
by substituting 11T?for"t"
le) Bvoozmnr Tfw uszar or Soa L Sx'cu-
xrrv Tx sr Fufram-
(1) Pewit YnARa Hue 2WROUXW tell.
(A) IN aMCUt.--Section 710 of the Social
Security Act fas added by paragraph (1f of
subsection (a) of section 341 N .the Social
Security Amendments of 19831 is amended-
lie by striking out all beginning with."the"
the first place it down through "Dis-
ability Insurance Trust Fund, the" and in-
serting in new thereof. "Th.-
(U) by striking out -1 actions 1411,. 3201,
and 3111" and tttt Ir in tie's thereof
"1401(b), 3101(b), ienmd 911tf61';'.' -
(iii) by wdetftn all after' the section
designation as (0);"
NO by inserting after the section designa-
tion tkelbllt-yetffgr
"(a):Th 0welJdm and
disbttrsnnents.of teen
Federal O*Ave and Survieeis Insurance
Trust Fund *"'Me Disability Insurance
Trust Fund? and the tames imposed under
sections 1401(a), 31offe). and 3111(a) of the
Internal Revenue Code of 1994, Mall not be
included in the totals of the budget of the
United States Government as submitted by
the President or of the congressional budget
and shall be exempt Aom any general budget
limitation imposed by statute on,
tures i-
and net lending (budget outlay.) of the
United SMste$Goventfneut'; and
lv) by adding at the end thereof the follow
ing new subsection:
"(c) No provision of lob enacted .after Use
date of the enactment of the Balanced
Budget and Emerpsnop :DeAtit Control Act
of 1985 (other than 'a provision of an appro-
priation Act that appropriatet,llendaduflior-
ised under the Social Security: Act se - in
effect on the. date of antsctmsnt of the Bart-
aneed Budget and Emerpency'DMctt mole
trot Act of 1085) may provide for payments
from the general fund of the Treasury to the
Federal Old,Age and Survivors b"ras"
Trust Fund and the Federal Dtiability In-
surance Treat. Fund, or for payments from
any such Trust Fund to the general fund of
the Treasury."
(B) APreJcs79rar.-T7&e amendments made
by subparagraph (A) shall apply with re-
spect to fiscal years beginning After Bolen-
ber 30, 1985, and ending before October 1,
1992.
(2) Fsaez m X lass Ana 7!saxsarrm-Sec-
Lion 710(a) of the Social Security Act (42
U.S.C. 911 note), as amended' by section
346(b) of Me Social Security Amendments of
1983 ft be 4)betive with ? respect to fiscal
yearbeginning s ,Member 30, 1092) 4e
(A) inserting "(1)" after the subsection des-
(BI wing at the end thereof the following
new paragraph:
"(2) No provision of law enacted after the
date of the enactment of the Balanced
Budget and Emergency De cit Control Act
of 1985 (other than a provision of an appro-
priation Act that appropriates funds author-
ised under the Social Security Act as in
Wed on the date of enactment of the Bal-
anced Budget and Emergency Deficit Con-
trol Act of 1985)? may provide for payments
from the general fund 4,'the Treasury to any
Trust Fund 4000U et in paragraph (1) or 1W
Payments from .any such Trust Fund to the
general And of theTfeasury.'L
if) Busse' Acr WYuvzis&-Section 904. of
the Congressional Budget Act is gmended-
(1)by striking out subsection Ib) and in-
serting in. X" thereof the f ollowing new sub-
sxtion:
"(b) Except as provided in subsection IcJ,
any provision of title III or IV may be
waived or suspended in the Senate by a ma-
jority vote of the Members voting, a quorum
being present; or by the unanimous consent
of the Senate.'; and
(2) by redeeignating subsection Ic)as sub-
section id), and inserting after subsection
(b) the following new subsection:
"(CI .The provisions elf section 3051b)W
and section 391 of this Act may be waived gr
suspended in the Senate and the House of
Repnaentalves only by the affirmative vote
of three-fifths of the Members of that House
duly Chosen and sworn. It
(0) On,za WAlvsane AND S ar s.-The
provisions of on ""eve Budget and
Emergency Deficit .t7Rrmtrol ,tat of 11185 info(
be waived .or *W00404 in the, Senate rind.
the, now only .b r..7 te Vote, of
these-fifths of the ffan w of that. House
duty chosenand
/A) ti7futs?3;
tion.1106 of title 3i: VW" States c it
amended by striking, Y ut "?uh- 10 each
place it appears and inserting in lieu thew.
of :'September 1I"
W lode' or OaMa-,Motwithetanding any
other provision of ; lass, U Mall not be in
order in the Senate or House of R.psssentw
tivea to consider any reconciliation bill or,
reconciliation resolution reporterd Sulu
to a concurrent resolution on ON budget
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13) OASDI rer 2eHaa.-'-The amendments
made by subieettons fe) shall apply as pro-
vided in such subsectto*.
Ike The proviiionaf o/ this Act; other than
those relating to the activities of the execu-
tive branck are enacted by the (fongr ss-
(1) as an exercise of the redgmaking power
of the House of Representatives and the
Senate, respectively and as such they shall
be considered as part of the ruder cV each
Howe, respectively or of that House to
which they spec( tally apply and such rules
shall supersede other rules only to the extent
that they are inconsistent therewith; and
12) with full recognition of the constitu-
tional right of either Rowe to change such
rules ho for as relating to such memo at
only time, iA the same I manner, and to the
same extent as in the axles'of any other rule
gfsuck House: L- Ill I
iU "We or rills Srwfs.-It is the sense of
the Senate that any Nadine reductions or
sequestering of controllubis espansdteere inn.
plemu nted by the vuffeu.` Foderial agencies
a. a? result of this Act.b*ilbe ni de gaVorm-
to and Mail not die eraonatdy be made
in the funding of programs targeted for
rural and lesser populated areas.
(ml Repose BsQOmga-The Directors of
the Office of Management awd Budget and
the Congressional Budget Qmo, and the
Secretary of th. Treasure shall Malty
report to the President and to toe, Commit-
tee' on Finance and` the Committee on Ways
and Means on the projected And o/ revenues
which would be raised by foemased and im-
prvved tat a forosmont ' and collection
through audits; ezsminatiana< and other
nieth"s designed to ellmifmats ere cheating
and increase revenue cWtections front indi-
viduals and eorperatt *0 evading Federal
taxation. The report anall dude en suahi
sls'.of nwasurw which ans be dsi$euee*td
to lacrosse -eoluhtirp .sigh nee?nirit tat
lases;' inalal inp 3lnemesed ell /or M ,ays-.
~aisiserooev `alsssneier of > '
t ation and cot-
issNoen; dad pafilk edriri~loll 11 to in.
erune;public trllet npeL ~hiada,=,. Ar/ the
I1e/erntat ibraentiee" tNFiftls 000"Oe" itt
fora The report shad also include an felt..
*a* of the level a/ +nb-Msd a penditures
for Internal Revenue gas row enforcement
and obnmpiianoe at~br s at Mkiek additional
expenditures would not$eld ed*iienal
rev- of at least tit 1V-ewes ni'for every t1"
in expeftafls res. The report shah be issued
on an annual basic so sate- than as dste on
agreed to under section $01 orL J" */'Me
. I _ budget for each fixed year to pee Congress.
amendment thereto` or conference report
therson that cost""
With suspect to the Federal Old-Age and.Sur-
vivors Insurance T'rnet Fund gr.the Federal
Dtssbiltty Insurance Trust Wand. With re-
spent to revenues attributable . to die main
imposed under Sections I1001(t), 3141(01,
and3111(a) of the lterfuti,licenWr Coe1e c
1954, or with respect to the etd:agr, survi-
vors, and disability inteUnnee prog- t a
tablished'sader title of thelSeoisl Se unity
paragraphs (2) and W. Me section and the
an nests made by this . section shall.
become -effective on the dale of'the enact-
ment of this section and shall apply UM re-
spect to fiscal years:beginning after. em-
ber 30, 1985, and kart October 1, 199Y.
(2) IacsrrloM-The amendments ,geode by
subsections (b)(1), : tb1I21(A). 161(3)(4),
(b11511A)(i1, ic) of this section shag apply
with, respect to fiscal yews beginning after
September 30, 104 and' bglbte October 7;?
1991.
(n) Tfmulw xr Ce Csnrum Cbjr-00eIrvtrrs
-During the aims in which a
sequester orderis in shoe any cost-qf-living
ad tnstnteftt for Socials SecurUy s111n11 not
count as toconleh?pur'paes ofdetermining
IN, Mo 0 "*"ft or
payment,. fle annel
p-11+o+n~ any ~ Mich .
arse glrist as a c of east-of-living
ailwatntiottafor kefrl gecuvt
(o/ `Section 1140*) of title 31, United
SSttrsitelotk i/'srnended--
f by striking out the first Place it
appears and Inserting ft list thereof "I1)
Notwithstanding any other provision of
lass, the";
12) by inserting "(otter than action that
would require an increase in borrowing au-
thority "or an increase in the limit imposed
by section 3201(b) offthis tit4 by more than
the applicable amount for=M of seal year for
which the budget I. submitted)" after
' aaction" the first place U a0 pear;; and
(31 by adding at the end thereof the follow-
ing new paragraph:
"(2) For purposes of thin subsection, the
term applicable amount' means-
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"(g) COMMON ECONOMIC Assuxrr7ONs.-The among its subcommittees or among pro- "(1) new budget authority for afiscal year,
joint explanatory statement accompanying grams over which it has Jurisdiction. "(2) an increase or decrease in revenues to
a conference report on a concurrent resolu- Each such committee shall promptly report become effective during a fiscal year,
tion on ? the budget shall set forth the to its House the subdivisions made by it "(3) an increase or decrease in the public
common economic assumptions upon which pursuant to this subsection only if it is debt limit to become effective during a fiscal
such Joint statement and conference report given a discretionary action allocation in year,-
are based. the Joint explanatory statement accompany- 'Y4) new spending authority described in
(h) Bunoar COMMnTE&4 CONSULTATION ing the conference report on such concur- section 401(c)(21 to become effective during
Win, STA iwNO COMMITTTI&-The Commit- rent resolution. a fiscal year or
tee. on the Budget of each Rouse shall con- "(c) LEOIsL4TION Suwscr To Po7Nr of "(5)%ew credit authority for a fiscal year,
sult with the standing committees of its ORDER.-It shall not be in order in the House until the concurrent resolution on the
House during the preparation, consider- of Representatives or the Senate to consider budget for such fiscal year has been agreed
ation, and enforoement of the concurrent any big resolution, amendment; or cor;/er- to pursuant to section 301.
resolution on the budget with respect to all enee report providing budget authority, "(b) ExcsprloNs.-Subsection fa) does not
matters which relate to the Jurisdiction -or spending authority as described in section apply to any bill or resolution (or amend-
functions of Such committees. 401(c)(1), or credit authority within the 1u- meat thereto) which-
"It) M.ixiur/x Dense AsouNr MAr Nor BE risdiction of any committee until such cam- `(1) provides new budget authority which
EXCEEDED.- rnittee reports to the House the subdivisions first becomes affective in the second fiscal
"(1) Except as provided in paragraph (34 required by subsections Ib) and.le)'for the year for any fiscal year after the second
it Shalt not be JUL order in either the House of applicable year in co*nec$on with the most fiscal year) following the fiscal year in
Representatives or the Senate to consider recently agreed to concurrent, resolution on which the bill or resolution (or amendment
any concurrent resolution on the budget for the budget thereto) is to be considered by the House or
a fiscal year under this section, or to eoastdd.. `Yd) SUSSEQUENr CoNCURRINt Rssot.;r- Senate. or
er any amendment to. such a concurrent roe- Troia-In the case of a concurrent rwdu- ?(2) provides for increases or decreases in
olution, or to consider a eon/enmee report tion on the budget i+e/erred to it section=301, revenues which first become effective in the
on such a concurrent resolution ff the level the allocations' under"aubtecttoa (s) and the pond isc, s year for any fiscal year alter
of total budget outlays for such fiscal year subdivisions 'under subsection fb) shall be the second fiscal year) following the fiscal
that is set forth in. such concurrent resole- MQuit ed, only to the extent necessary to take year in which the bill or resolution For
tion or conference report (or that would into account revisions made in the most re- amendment thereto) is to be considered by
.result from the adoption of such amend-. Gently agreed to concurrent resolution on the House or Senate.
went), exceeds the recommended level . of the budgetAfter May 15 of any calendar year, subsea
Federal revenues for that year by an amount "le) DIMS ON OF B.uDOST TOrALm AMONG
fit
"VI) For purposes of information, the resentatives to any general appropriation
amount iveclf 4ed for such fiscal year in
lion 3f7). report accompanying a concurrent reaalu- bill. or amendment thereto, which provides
11(2) Paragraph (1) of this subsection, shall tion on the budget and the faint to aftdtory new budget ' authority, for the fiscal year be-
not an WW if a declaration of war h? res. n,..-- statement accompanying a ooaferenee ginning in such calendar year.
'1CorrxmZCAU.0CA770/M3 vyage[ snag tnemae an eatimatea aivtsion F41,',}c.cvmmusae w Vu canes wnrcn re-
'Sec. 302. (a) ALtoatsrow MA Dt M. based upon such concurrent resoluktion M o. ports any bill or resolution for amendment
Any AC7ro-For ommended in such report or in such confer- thereto) to which subsection (a) applies may
purposes of controlling enoe report of the epproprtate itcels of tadal at or after the time it sports such bill or res-
congressional action as described by see: budget outlays,, total new beset allthofit oiution for amendment therto), report a
lions, 311 and 312, the report accompanying tow entitlement authority total dirY,et A** resolution to the; Se"., /A) providing for
a concurrent resolution on the budget for a abiigstions, and total pr matry`loan Ouavan= the waiver of subsection. (a).,with respect to
fiscal sear and the Joint exploratory state- be romhmitmeerta among each cotmmittee';gf
me such bill or resolution /or amt there-
at accompanying it conference report on the House of Bepresentati?rus line me Senate to, and' .(B) static t .the reasons -why the
a concurrent resolution on the budget for 0. Whim .:has Jurisdiction' over such "authors= waiver is necessary. `T7re, rrso tion shall
fiscal year shall include an atloeotion. for tip then be r ferled tq the Comrrsittee on the
discretionary action fbr such fiscal vier, or "Ft) As soon as practfcable Veer any such Budget of tats Streets , hat committee ,shall
for the total of such fiscal year and the ensue ea+?trerot report is flied.. report the resolution to the Senate within 1Q
ing fiscal year, or for the total for such fiscal NA) the Committee die Appropriations. of days after the resolution is referred to it (not
year and each of the two ensuing years, each House shall, alter Consults gr with the counting any day on which the Senate is not
based upon such concurrent resolution as Committee on Appropriations of the other in session) beginning with the day following
reported or as recommended in such Confer. Houses subdivide among its tubtommittees the day on which it is so'referred, accompa-
ence report o/mew budget authority fexctucd- its share of the estimated division of budget nied by that committee's, recommendations
ing such authority to cover entitlement au- out/spf set forth in such conference repft and. reasons for such recommendations with
thorny in the case of the Committee on Ap- and respect to the resolution. If the committee
propriatlons), new spending authority as 1112) every. other committee of the House does not report the resolution within such
described in section 491fdf3), new direct and Senate with respect to which an estt- 10-day period, it shall automatieallaf be dis-
loan obligations and new primary two Mated division of budget outlays is made in charged from further consideration of the
guarantee commitments to each committee such coribence report shalt lifter consult- resolution and the resolution shalt be placed
of the ? Rouse of Representatives and - the irg with the committee or consmitteea of Me on. the calendar.
Senate which has Jurisdiction over bills and other House to which all or part a/ surd sub- "(2) During the consideration of any such
resolutions that would irnplemert :such division is wade, subdivide its share of the resolution, debate shall be limited to one
action. The allocation provided 'under this estimated division Of budget outlays among hour, to be equally divided between, and
subsection shall not extend-beyond the! as- its subeomm#$ees or among programs over controlled by, the majority leader and mi-
aumed duration Of the peeg-amrintended to which it hasJu iadietiom. nority leader or .their designees, and the
be covered by the allocation "(f) A421i w? or 302fb) AuOCA7roNn- dt time on any debatable motion, or ..appeal
'Ib) Rrrronra ,ar CoerurrrsiR As soon as anytime after a committee reports the alto- shall be limited to twenty minutm to be
practicable After a confe once report on a cations required to be made under section equally divided between, and controlled by.
concurrent resolution on the budget is 302(b), such committee may report to its the mover and the manager of the resolu-
agreed to-. House an alteration of such a ations, Any Lion. In the event the manager of the resolu-
"(1) the Committee on Appropriations of altercation of such allocations "tug be con- lion is in favor of any 'such motion or
each House shalt after consulting with the sistent with any actions already taken' by its appeal, the time in opposition thereto shall
Committee an Appropriations of the other House on legislation, within the committee's be controlled by the minority leader or his
House, subdivide among its subcommittees Juridietion. designee. Such leaders, or either of them,
the allocation for discretionary action also- 'towcwessNr RESotrmoN oN- 7711 an acwr may, from the time under their control on
sated to it in the Joint explanatory state- Moat Ds ADOP77D Sarong Lar7 STION PRO- the passage of such resolution, allot.addi-
meat accompanying the conference, report vlou o New ?UDOAT.1UTKOAITY. NW srslim- tional time to any Senator during the con-
on such concurrent resolution; and ? Drs AVINIORrrr NEW CRIDIr AOTIfOJITT OR. sideration of any debatable motion or
Y21 every other committee of-the House duress .7N RsVSNURE OR 7711 PVILnc Imo' appeal, No amendment to the resolution: is
and Senate to which an allocation for dis- LOmT IS CONSIDERED in order.
cretionary action was made in such Joint ex- "Sac. 303. (a) IN GZNElert:-It shall not be Y3) 1f, after the Committee on the Budget
planatory statement shalt after consulting in order In either the flow of Representa- has reported (or been discharged from fur
with the committer or committees of the tives or the Senate to consider any bill or tiler consideration of) the resolution, the
other House to which all or part of its alto resolution (or amendment thereto) as report Senate agrees to the resolution, then subsec-
cation was made, subdivide its allocation ed to the House or Senate which provides- Lion (a) shall not apply with respect to the
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on the conference report as provided ' in
clause 2(a) of Rule XXVIII of the Rules of
the House of Representatives, it shall be in
order to move the previous question on the
adoption of the conference report
"(2)(A) With respect to any amendment
(including an amendment in the nature of a
substitute) which-
"ft) is proposed by the Senate to any con-
current resolution on the budget and there-
after-
"(1) is reported in disagreement between
the two Houses by a committee of confer-
ence; or
"(11) is before the House, the stage of dis-
agreement having been reached; and
"(ii) contains any procedure or matter
which has the .effect of changing any rule of
the House of Representatives and which was
not included in the measure. as passed the
House;
it shall be in order, immediately after a
motion is offered that the House recede from
its disagreement to such amendment pro-
posed by the Senate and concur therein and
before debate is commenced on such motion,
to offer a motim which is of high privilege,
that the House reject the procedure or
matter. It shall be in order to debate such
motion for forty minutes, one-half of such
time to be given to debate in favor of, and
one-half in opposition to, the motion.
"(8) Notwithstanding the final disposi-
tion of any motion made under subpara-
graph (A). it shall be in order to offer J9urther
such motions with respect to other proce-
dures or matters in the amendment pro-
posed by the Senate not covered by any pre-
vious motion to reject
"(C) if any such motion to reject has been
adopted, after final disposition of all mo-
tions to reject under the preceding provi-
sions of this paragraph, and after final dis-
posfition of all points of order and motions
to reject under clause 5 of Rule XXVIII of
the Rules of the Mouse of Representatives,
the motion to recede and concur shall be
considered as rejected, and further mho.
lions-
"(0 to recede and concur in the Senate
amendment with an amendment, where ap-
propriate (but the offering of which is not in
order unless copies of the language of the
Senate amendment as, proposed to be
amended by such motion, are then available
on the floor when such motion is offered and
is under consideration);
"NO to insist upon disagreement to the
Senate amendment and request a further
conference with the Senate; and
"Bit) to insist upon disagreement to the
Senate amendment;
shall remain of high privilege for consider-
ation by the House. If all such motions to
reject are defeated, then, after the allocation
of time for debate on the motion to recede
and concur as provided in clause 2(b) of
Rule XXVIII of the Rules of the House of
Representatives, it shall be in order to move
the previous question on such motion.
"(D)(i) With respect to any such amend-
ment proposed by the Senate as described in
subparagraph (A)ll) of this paragraph, it
shall not be in order to offer any motion
that the House recede from its disagreement
to such Senate amendment and concur
therein with an amendment, unless copies of
the language of the Senate amendment, as
proposed to be amended by such motion, are
then available on the floor when such
motion is offered and is under consider-
ation.
(it) Immediately after any such motion is
offered and is in order and before debate is
commenced on such motion, it shall be in
order to offer a motion, which is of high
privilege, that the House reject any proce-
CONGRESSIONAL RECORD - HOUSE
dure or matter which has the effect of chang-
ing any rule of the House of Representatives
which is contained in the Senate amend-
ment as proposed to be amended by such
motion or which is contained in the pro-
posed amendment to the Senate amendment,
and which was not included in the concur-
rent resolution on the budget as passed by
the House. It shall be in order to debate such
motion for forty minutes, one-half of such
time to be given to debate in favor of, and
one-half in opposition to, the motion.
"(iii) Notwithstanding the And disposi-
tion of any motion under clause iii), it shall
be in order to matte further such motions
with respect to other procedures or matters
in the language of the Senate amendment, as
proposed to be amended by the motion, or in
the proposed amendment to the Senate
amendment, not covered by any previous
motion to reject
"(5) If any such motion to erect has been
adopted, after final disposition of all mo-
tions to reject under the preceding provi-
sions of this paragraph, and after final dis-
position of all points of older and motions
to reject under clause 5 of Ruts XXVIII of
the Rules of the House of Representatives,
the motion to recede and concur in the
Senate amendment with an amendment
shall be considered as rejected, and further
motions-
'ft) to recede and concur in the Senate
amendment with an amendment, where ap-
propriate (but the offering of which is not in
order unless copies of the language of the
Senate amendment, as proposed to be
amended by such motiork are then available
on the floor when such motion is offered and
is under consideration);
"(ii) to insist upon disagreement to the
Senate amendment and request a further
conference with the Senate. and
"(tii) to insist #pon disagreement to the
Senate amendment;
shall remain of high privilege for consider-
ation by the House. if an such motions' to
reject are defeated, them, After the allocation
of time for debate on the motion to recede
and.concur in the Senate amendment with
an amendment as provided in clause 2(b) of
Rule XXVI11 of the Rules of the House of
Representative,, it shall be in order to move
the previous question on such motion.
'YF) If, on a division of a motion that the
House recede and concur, with or without
amendment, from its disagreement to any
such Senate amendment as described in sub-
paragraph (A) of this paragraph the House
agrees to recede, then, before debate is com-
menced on concurring in such Senate
amendment, or on concurring therein with
an amendment, it shall be in order to make
motions to reject with respect to such Senate
amendment in accordance with applicable
provisions of this clause and to effect final
determination of these matters in accord-
ance with such provisions.
"(d) AC7aoN ONCONPERINCE REPORTS IN mx
SENAtf~-
"(1) The conference report on any concur
rent resolution on the budget shalt be in
order in the Senate at any time after the
third day (excluding Saturdays, Sundays,
and legal holidays) following the day on'
which such a conference report is reported
and is available to Members of the Senate.' A
motion to proceed to the consideration Qf
the conference report may be made even
though a previous motion to the same effect
has been disagreed to.
"(2) During the consideration in the
Senate of the conference report on any on-
current resolution on the budget; debate
shall be limited to YO hour,, to be equally di-
vided between them, and controlled by, the
majority leader and minority trader or their
November 1, 1985
designees. Debate on any debatable motion
or appeal related to the conference report
shall be limited to 1 hour, to be equally di-
vided between, and controlled by, the mover
and the manager of the conference report.
"(3) Should the conference report be de.
feated, debate on any request for?,a new con-
ference and the appointment of conferees
shall be limited to 1 hour, to be equally di-
vided between, and controlled by, the man-
ager of the conference report and the minor-
ity leader or his designee, and should any
motion be made to instruct the conferees
before the conferees are named, debate on
such motion shall be, limited to one-half
hour, to be equally divided between, and
controlled by, the mover and the manager of
the conference report. Debate on any amend-
ment to any such instructions shall be limit-
ed to 20 minutes, to be equally divided be-
tween. and controlled by the mover and the
manager of the conference report In all
cases when the manager of the conference
report is in favor' of any motion. appeal or
amendment the time in opposition shall be
under the control of the minority leader or
his designee.
"M In any case in which there are amend-
ments in disagreement, time on each amend-
ment shall be limited to 30 minutes, to be
equally divided between, and controlled by,
the manager of the conference report and
the minority leader or his designee- No
amendment that is not germane to the pro-
visions of such amendments shall be re-
ceived.
"lei REQu,RsD AcTIoN By CoNrnRSwcs Cou-
Mrrrar.-Ifat the end of 7 days (excluding
Saturdays, Sundays, and legal holidays)
after the conferees of both Houses have been
appointed to a committee of conference on a
concurrent. resolution: on the budget, the
conferees are unable to reach agreement
with respect to all matters in disagreement
between the two Houses, then the conferees
shall submit to their :respective Houses, on
the first day thereafter on which their House
is in session--
"(1) a conference report recommending
those matters on which they have agreed
and reporting in disagreement those matters
on which they have not agreed; or
"(2) a conference report in disagreement,
if the matter in disagreement is an amend-
ment which strikes out the entire text of the
concurrent resolution and inserts a substi-
tute text
"(f) CONCURRENT RESOLUTION Mu31' BE CON-
SISTENT IN THE SENAT&. -It shall not be in
order in the Senate to vote on the question
of agreeing to-
"(1) a concurrent resolution on the budget
unless the figures then contained in such
resolution are mathematically consistent- or
"(2) a conference report on a concurrent
resolution on the budget unless the figures
contained in such resolution, as recom-
mended in such conference report, are math
ematically consistent
"LEGISLATION,. DIMING WI77I CONGRESSIONAL
BUDGET MUST BE HANDLED By BUDGET COM-
MIrrw
' Sxa 306. No bill or resolution, and no
amendment to any bill or resolution, deal-
ing with any matter which is within the ju-
risdiction of the Committee on the Budget of
either House shall be considered in that
House unless it is a bill or resolution which
has been reported by the Committee on the
Budget of that House (or from the consider-
ation of which such committee has been dis-
charged)'or unless it is a* amendment, to
such a bill or resolution.
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"HOUSE COMMITTEE ACTION ON ALL APPSOPRM-
TR)N BIDS T+O BL COMPLSTSD BY JUNE U
`Sac 307 On or before June 10 of each
Year- the the Committee 'on Appropriations of
the House of Reprie3entatives shall. report
bills and' resolutions providing new budget
authority under the jurisdiction of all of its
subcommittees for the fiscal year which
begins on October I of that year.
"REPOR1 SUMMABIb'3? AND PROFECTTONS of
CONGRE`4SIONAL BUDGET AC77ONs
`Sac. 308. (a) REPOR7s ON LEGISLA77ON
PROVmINs. New BUDarr AunloRrry, NEw
SPENDING AUTNopIry, NSW CREDIr Auniolt-
M. OR PROVIDING AN INCREASE OR DECREase
IN REVENUES OR TAX RZPENDITUREL-
`(1) Whenever a committee of either
House reports to its House a bill or resolu-
tion, or committee amendment thereto, pro-
viding new budget authority (other than
continuing appropriations), new spending
authority described in section 401(c)(2), new
credit authority, or providing an increase or
decrease in revenues or tax expenditures for
a fiscal year. the report accompanying that
bill or resolution shall contain a statement,
or the committee shall make available such
a statement in the case of an approved corn-
mittee amendment which is not reported to
its House, prepared gC fter consultation with
the Director of the Budget
Office
"(A) comparing the' discretionary. action
levels in any.euch measure to the allocation
for discretionary action in the reports sub.
mitted under section 103(b) for the, most re-
cently agreed to concurrent resolution on,
the budget for such fiscal year,
"(B) 'comparing 'the ? outlays estimated to
result from any such measure for such fiscal
year with the estimated subdivisions of out-
lays in reports submitted under section
302(e) for the most recently agreed to con-
current resolution on the budget for such
fiscal year,
"(0 including an identification of any
new spending authority described in section
401(c)(2) which is contained in any such
measure and a Justification for the use of
such financing method instead of annual
appropriations;
"(D) containing a prcyection by the Con-
gressional Budget Office of how any such
measure will affect the. levels of such spend-
ing authority, revenues, tax expenditures,
direct Ilan `obligations, or primary loan
guarantee commitments undere fisting law
for such fiscal year and each of the ,four en-
suing fiscal years;
"Ill) setting forth the level of new budget
authority for assistance to state and local
governments provided by any such measure;
and
"IF) comparing the levels provided by any
such measure with the levels provided by
law for the fiscal year preceding such fiscal
year, and with levels requested by the Presi-
dent for such measure for such fiscal year.
"(2) Whenever a conference report is filed
in either House and such Conference report
or amendment reported in disagreement or
any amendment contained in the Joint
statement of managers to be proposed by the
conferees in the case of technical disagree
ment on such bill or revolution provides new
budget authority (other than continuing ap-
ProPriations), new spending authority de-
scribed in section 401(c)(2). or new credit
authority, or provides an increase or de-
crease in revenues fora fiscal year, the com-
mittee, after consultation with the Director
of the Congressional Budget Office, shall
make available to Members at least two
hours prior to consideration of such confer-
ence report by the House of Representatives
or Senate the matters described under sub-
section (a)(1).
"(bl ,UP-To-OATS TAxaW iojrs or Cage aes~
SIONA,c BUOacTdcnoM-
BudP~t ce 99M A s=, to the comptiggess
s
of the House and Jhe;Senate reports ou,:at
least a monthly basin delailina,andtdbul4t.
treethe. yrpgres; congressional action, on
bills acid rwointiosa providing ,area
authority new sending authority in section 401(012) new credit authority, or
providing an increase or decrease in reve-
nues or tea 4xpeuditures :for, a fiscal year.
Such reports shall include, belt are not limit.
ad to_
"(A) an up-to-date tabulation comparing
the appropriate aggregate and .functional
levels (including outlays) included in the
most recently adopted concurrent resolutiote
on .the budget with levels provided .in ,bills
and resolutions reported by committees or
adopted by either House or by the Canons;,
with levels provided bylaw for the fiscal
year Preceding such fiscal year,, and with
levels. regsested by the President for such
fiscal year
"(B) an up-to date tabulation comparing
levels of discretionary action for a fiscal
year .inbllsand. resolutions reported by
committees or adopted by either House or by
the Co,w?1;s with allocation for discr+etian-
ary action in, reports submitted under sub.
section (a) and (b) of section J02, withleaets
provided by talc forth. fiscal year preceding
suchj{sCal year,, and with;evel; requested, by
the'Prefident for such fiscal year and
`(C) a&,,, terdate tabulation, comparing
levels of ~t out jays fora fiscal year erti-
mated to. t from bills and, resolution, ne-
ported by committees or adopted by either
House or by the Congress, - or-. estivmted to
result from- dieting. law within theJyr$slc-
such committees with estimate.of
=Of s in reports submitted under section
"(2) The Committee on t1wbudget of sack
House shall make available to M etterl.of
its House summary 'budget scoreke*ping re,
ports, Sgch reports-
(Ar'ahdll be made available qn at least a
ntgn hlir aria, but in arty .case, .h equcntly_
enough to provide Members'. of each petite.
an accufatd representation of the, current
status -of`congteas tidal consideration of.th
budget,
`YB) shall include, but' are not limited to,,
summaries of. tabulations provided under
subsection (b)(1J; and
`IC) shall be based on information provid-
ed ' under subsection, (Nil), without. artbstafa
The chairman of tha..Committee on 4 0
Budget of the House shall submit suck re-:
ports to the Speaker and they shall but print,_
ed as maw 'documents.
"(c) Jyrs-Yes PRorscn7Oer of CQ MORgs-.
MOM& BuDGzr Ac7,on -?As soon as prgetica
bleafter the beginning Afeach fiscal yvan=
the Director of the, Congressional., Rudoet:
Qmce shalt tawe,.a art prq{ectitsg /br Me,
Lea fiscal years beginning with such.
fiscal "(1) totai,new budget authority and total
budget outlays for each fiscal year in stick
Period;
revenues to be. received and the mafor'
sources thereof, and the surplus or.ddlcit, if
any. Jfor each.fiaonl year in such period.
"(3) tax expenditures for each fiscal .year
in such per'iotV
"(4). entitlement authority for each fiscal .
year in such perms and
"(5) credit authority for each fiscal year in
such period,
"HOUSE APPROVAL O-*El3UL AAPPRQPRIATION
"SEE ,309. It Aid -sot be ist order in the
House " of Representatives to consider any
H 9687
reiolkttoss.. yrovidi g for' an adjournment
Period of more than, -tree calendar days
during the nsonth of +i'Wy" until the !louse' of
Representatives-has .ppseved hits and reso,
lrcti~ons prnvid Dwiatt authority
wider, the JIrtadictiodn of Ni the saboommit-
tees of the,Clommittae on Appropriations for
the fiscal year beginning an October 1 of
such 'year,: other -than .suppemsrental, defi-
ciency, and Continuing appropriation bills
and naolution&
'UscoxCILU77ON _
,Sac. 310. la) INcIVS)ON ag RECONCILUTION
DIRECT'IVE'S IN CbNCURXIN7' PlSOLVI7oNE ON
771E Santis..--dny toneurrrrnt resolution on
the budget shalt, do the estent necessary to
effectuate _the provisions and requirements
of such resolution, spci/y the IAtal amount
for sick Ji scat year, or total amount for
such fiat year and the eniuinp f iscal year,
or the- total amount for such fiscal year and
the-two ensuin9fscal years :byrphfch -
"(1) budget asihbrits,
"(2)`sPending authority described in sec-
tion 401(c)(2),-
"(3) credit authority; or
"fl1. revenues;
providedi by laws t", , and.. resolutions
within the Jurisdiction of a committee is to
be changed land provide an estimate 'of the.
resulting. Change in budget 'outlays, and
direct_ that eowemiltse io reoems.endt le0i01a-
liar} to accorrdytlish a'change. of each total
aaasauAt.: ,
`iii Lsow,uv T PBOamv a-If a concur
rent resolution is agreed' to to accordance
with subsection (a) cantat,Mngdirectves to
one or more coonnrittees to determine and
recommend changes in law, bills, or resolu-
tiona and-
`(11.only one commutes o/the?House or
bltSenate is iireeted 4o44Jareing Sod vbe-
omawnd. ' cheangrs.: , eclat xonpeeigw ,,flail
Promptly make such deterusbta ten' Sod nec-.
commendations and r0wf to Ito ill use rec-
arncitiatbn iegilation,sonlaintng such roe.,
ommeAdationa or ' , ~' . '
'YT?) More than ant , caaimetttse of Vie,
House orUe:SsaaI b4gireeted to detenrdne
and seeetawend:ahangess each V*M eowNnit
tee so directed shamprompify ruche aueh de-
terminagvn an1R.L-rebOmme and
submit such Mr the Cbm-
mitten on the-Budaelap -its Ilbuss, tekkft'
upon reerstvtng all .tfroh
shall report to its Arouse-MOW Ufatton te$s-
cation carrying out all such neoomrmenda-
tenswithoxt anpssbsteottis-s revision.
'Ye) LIMMIMg ore AMMMMM ni REOON-
CiJATi BMMANDAnoW77*=-
`(1) It shall not be to order in either the
House of Representatives orthe Senate to
consider snpamensmsent tai. "seoneiflasion
bill or twooncilistiom resolution if such
amendment Would have the affect of increas-
ing any'specI c budget outlays above the
level of suck eatlayv providut in me bill -or,
resolution, oraoouldksve the 40et of reduc-
ing any spsctAc J1@ik W MM%M r bebm the
least ofsuck reveries psunidetl* the-bttfor
ree0lrtti has au '. arnendm nt etbfnbt
that the amount of B1e ddioit for any lineal
year set JbM h in the moose reeently'agrled, to
concurrent .'resotuMon on the bnefst it not
exceeded, by making at least an equivalent
reduction in other specified get outlays or
at least an equivalent increase in Other ape-L.
ciii. federal revenues,' or atletwt any erraiv-
alent combination thereof, exalt that (A) In'
the House of leaver az:nwtion to
strike a provision pr aluUng item budget au-
thority or new spending authority as de-
fined in section 40U M3MC) of this Act may
be in order, and 1A) $ the Senate a motion
to strike a provision, shall always be in
order,
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November. 1, 1985 CONGRESSIONAL. 'RECORD --k HO USE a HMO
conference report or amendment also pro- department, agency, wrogruns or activil i of nusbe on Taxat1o M*k i,b.Mt to the Con-
video that such new credit authority is to be the United States Governmentfrbm-the v r&., an invent ry of an y-olrisions of law
effective for any fiscal year only to such visions, of section 1106 All lips d1,' United providing tax dsyendtturer and the items of
extent or in such amounts as are provided States Code, .or, the p nvisiooss of, the. amn, nosh inventory shell be regarded for Pur-
in~ appropriation Acts. gresrional Budget s of 1#14 such blU'sbstt poem 4f gift Act ae 1st i xpenditures ".
Ibi DErmmoNS,- be ,n*nud soiree C bmmittee on lioveoAmo rt Me Jas. cu=rj#T Sg.YIcgc Bvpcg,
"(1) For purposes of this Act, the term new Operations in the !Joust of Representatives The first sentence, o/sec!`ion 605(a) of the
credit authority' means credit authority not or to the Committee on Governmental AP provided by-law on the effective date of this fairs In. the Senate and such Committee Congressional td by atlikinp o.fieutu`
f 1974 is " amend-
section, including any increase in or addi shall have the jurisdiction to report any bill ed df striking
year ut -"0(a Act ornine o before 19751November
and
tion to credit authority provided by law on referred to it under this section with an 10'df each ts Heft
such date amendment or amendments fEitidt change ollowing., "On
"(2) For purposes of this Act, the term or strike out any such provision or prove. before the first Monday goer January 3 of
'credit authority' means authority to incur sions, each year (beginning with I9tt5)':
direct loan obligations or to incur primary ?a''MBER USER GROUP are. 223. STUDY OFOI7.DUDQET'4GZNCIS&
loan guarantee commitments". 'Sac. 407. The Speaker of the House of Section 099 at the' Congressional Budget
SEC
I/3 DESCRIPTION BY CONGRES
.
SIONAL BUDGET Representatives of er consulting with the Act 0/1974 I repealed.
OFFICE. Minority Leader of such Hous4 shall ap- EEC 22L CBAN SSINFIWCIPdNAL CATEGORIES
(a) CONOREEEIONAL BUDGET O7F1cz AAALY- point liembe Group for the purpose S ct4o* 4W Of Cupny 'eafolk
al Budget
Sts-Subsection (a) of section 403 of the d r User:
Congressional Budget Act of 1974.1E amend "tewi budsetarn acortkbestuo srrlrs and' fnivoft neat t"itmf 'Act of 1974 is
ea by stroking out "and" at the end of par9t-
graph (2), by striking out the period and in=
serting and",at the end of paragraph M.
and by inserting. at the end thereof the fol-
lowing new paragraph:
"(4) a description of each method for es-
tablishing a .Federal financial commitment
contained in such bill or resolution':
(b) CONFORMING AMENDMEm-.-The ? second
sentence of subsection (a) of such section is
amended by striking out estimates and
comparison" and inserting in .lieu thereof
"estimates, comparison, and description":
SEC 211. GENERAL ACCOUNTiNC OFFICE STUDY.
Title IV of the Congressional Budget Act of
-1974, is amended by inserting at the end
thereof the following new sections:
`STUDY BY THE GENERAL ACCOUMrNO OFFICE OF
FORMS' OF FEDERAL- ANANCIAL COAOtfrMENT
THAT ARE NOT REVIEWED ANNUALLY BY CON-
GRESS
"Biro. 405. The General Accounting Office
shall study those' provisions of law which
provide spending authority as' described by'
section 40260(2) and which Provide Perna-
nent appropriations, and report to-fiheCon-
gress its recommendations for the appropri-
ate form of financing for activities or pro-
grams financed by such provisions not later
than eighteen months after the of otive date
of this section. Such report shall be revised
from time to time:
"OFF-BUDGET AGENCIES, PROGRAMS AND
ACIYM77ES
'SEc. 406. (a) Notwithstanding any other
provision of law, budget authority, credit
authority, and estimates of outlays and re-
ceipts for activities of the Federal budget
which are presently off-budget including all
activities of the Federal Financing Bank
the Rural Electrification Administration
and Telephone Revolving Fund and the
Rural Telephone Bank, the Strategic Petrole-
um Reserve Account, the United States Syn-
thetic Fuels Corporation and the United
States Railway Association shall be includ-
ed in a budget submitted pursuant to see-
Lion 1105 of title 31, United States Code, and
in a concurrent resolution on the budget re-
ported pursuant to section 301 of the Con-
gressional Budget Act 0 :1974 and shall be
considered, for purposes of such Act, budget
authority, outlays and spending authority
in accordance with definitions set forth in
,such Act.
"Ibf All receipts and disbursements of the
Federal Financing Bank with respect to any
obligations which are issue., sold, or guar-
anteed by a Federal agency shall be treated
as a means of financing such agency for
purposes of section 1105 of title 31, United
States Code, ,and for purposes of the Con-
gressional Budget Act of 1974.
"(c) If any committee of either House re-
ports any bill containing a provision or pro-
visions having the effect of exempting any
ruder sell oared a its ill u 3atiet' p~ rottlYcatl n of all such
spe"M made in accordanfce'with such scottkespinp' SEC 223. JURISDIC7MN of CQAMn7ta-oN GoYERN-
rules and practlcw'! MDM 01x 1
Subpart it-AtlltNsneaf Preeisisns to Ripens Clause 1(1)'of Ruda .1 of the Rules of the
Ba ,t Hhesdsret Hope of Representatives is amended by in-
SEC 22L CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OiiFIC&
(a) ?AeP I nfgsi OF Dmxc'n a.-Paragraph.
(2) of section 201(a) of the Congressional
Budget Act of 1074 is amended by striking
out "Committees on the Budget" and insert-
ing in lien thereof 'committees':
(bl1 REPosnwo DATE-Paragraph (i) of see-,
Lion 202(1) of the Congressional Budget Act
4f 1974 is amended by striking out `April 1"
and inserting in lieu thereof February I5':
(c) ADDnnoNAL REPGRT2NO REpUIREMENI.-
Subsection lf) of seetIon 202 of QW tongres-
ed
the/a
lewi
nd
-.
..
-~ w Rte
g a
OP U
curd thereo f thefoUoibi , neto continuing oasts the ;gQ slonnl budget
' pry and Ohs t > ebb time
`YSf feet .or before' the ft ,t onday oar.' to limy is Avon
pOO dLu and rseoa men.
January 3' each, year, 'the Dir~ecto r;
cbWtatiolt with t 1W coliirrzit , X14 . SAS U SAX crs9N OP or raa
tees 41ihte Rouse 4P tot'tt sir and,
VO*
Serials
shOfl submit to She, c1mettjs a report tho Rules of the
listing (A) all prf)grams' and activities H o/ pepresentattrnet ts amended by
Model during the fiscal year endii Sep- strikia0 out ,at.. and by inserting in lieu
tember SO of that Calenddt year for `which theme/ "within the asoenN oalsndar day be-
authorizatloies for app, riattons haft 161 ginning q/fer", snd.by inasrtiu/tat me sad
been enacted for that !local wedr, and (.Wig
i thereof the following, new sentence: "It shall
M ons for and activities`fbr which fileen ft art always be in order to consider resolutions
actions appra9rtai tior u have Be er+r recommended by the rppaetive party caw
acted forthe year ending September 3g cum to change the composition of standing
of that-calendar calendar year, but for which`s0 arc- commlttaea".
thorizations for appropriations have b
' AND TRANSFERS IN APPRO
enacted for the fiscal year beginning Octo- SIC no, RlECI1S410N8MNBttIB
S
be" 4 oB that calendar tiofu year. (a) 2(bf of auk XXI as. thonrit ny prepared pus fat to this 4f oe this so et c, Q F the hula of the ROM" of Representatives
including but is amended by inserting bdm this period at
lion, including bnot not l limited torevenc venues the end thereof the foldowtis . and "cept
entitlements (including appropriated ent4
tlernentv), other m nda4ory avendixa; and rescissions of appropriatiasst Colttsined in
of
laws credit continue shah Somme brat current ti Actr" :
laws /6f ThfazNrusss.-G7slise 0 M
1 pee XXl of
tension of tompoorarYi+e9sd ary p m ssotps Jfar the the Rules of lheItiohala
McKhene!
(OR)
Bereuter
Jacobs
O'Brien
McMillan
810113. Robert
BGtggl
Martenee
atangeland
Motors
11W)
Mica
lknkh, Robert
0 1225
Mtdfel
min" tow
(OR)
Snewo
Mr. MAVROULES changed his vote
Miller (WA1
Snyder
from "yea" to anw "
HartneU Monson spew
Hktcchee Mentiomery aptaft
Hiteear Moore Stltlthtgr
HOW nowbead sterh.ika
Headiw nsrekawtWA) Somme
HHenry
lleff liturths show
1i ma Myers Stmdpuid
Hopkins Natcher Sweeney
Mr, V L KY ehnJlaad his vote
from "nay" to " tL"
So the He receded from Its die-
agreement to Senate amendment No.
2
The result of the vote was an-
nounced as above recorde4.
Horton l lson S"bilan
Hubbard Nielson Taste ,URaO5ALs:pe5N5=tv((
HackahP Obey Tam"
Hutto Ogler 161011 sag (CA) Mr. RU001. Mr. Speabder. I Was not
Hyde Packard Ti anas40&) pJ+eseiat for reSeaB vote "S on the
Ireland Paneu. vablulitns notion to recede to Senate amend;
Junking Parrta vasd.r Jack B4ent.NI. I Nail I been present, i
Johnson Pease rash"M
JMnetse vwlaltr would have voted "nay."
YOlkmer
Jcaea (OH) Penny 'Pura norlci The SPEAK. prof tempore. The Jews (Tin Net wklprart gtaastI n now pending before the
NAPIRW K Pert r Wuhan ik~e(ise is the 100HOM Offered by the
-
Kamp " Prior, weat genntleman from iliinofg E . Roarm
Kipdas. Puraau. Wawa KONrSEI?' to concur in Senate amend-
Ray Wye ment Me. 2 With an al nenbneliL
Koller Res Ia W On that mount , the gentleman from
Kostmayer Reid 7piefr Illitloia [Mr. RestalwsowstW will be
Nkamor Richardson win recognized for 30 lniisutes and the gen-
`10? RAd" OK Heenan from Teanseesee [libr DaircAN`l
L.60106 R10614110 Latta valor Wortley will be reeognisted for 3O minutes.
Leach 1~t ) Noberts W)tdfn The Chair recognizes the gentleman
Lent I'!7[) ! from nlmois tMr. Roll z=oo`s= .
Room"
L.aa(ew) mgrs Teeny (AX) Mr. ROS?I'SITKOWSKL Mr. Speak-
Roth Tau,e (PS.) er, I yield myself 4 minutes
Beukw. 101001g(no) Mr. Speaker. a wasim ado the Senate
Ranksi(CT) Saehu(
NAYS-134
Cants Prank,
Oonyera Ogroia
Cooper Oaydea
Crockett Oeneaka
Deliuaee Horton
Dkta (leay(PA)
DWe11 Ouofti
Dome Igawleos
Dannelly aw4a
Downey me"
Dwyer Howard
mom
ZArlY
Boost lblJsri
26na k (CA) Kanionkl
liana (IA) RWtamiafar
arena ins. . Reaaeft
Pasta gum
Florio LAPalce
Foglietta Lehman (CA)
Port tIEJ) .:
Peed ('Tit)
passed the so-called Clramm-Rudnan
amendment and attached it to the
House-passed resolution increasing the
permanent ceiling on the public debt.
The Senate, In collusion with the
President, decided to hold the entire
clevernment hostage to a 56-page
amendment that the Senate had not
read and the President did not under-
stand. -
For the, last 3 weeks, House confer-
ees have attempted to dissect the reso-
lution and assess its impact on our
economy and the balance at iilstital-
tlem& power. We- maaaged to -point
out the gaps, the ambiguities, and the
plain' -mistakes allot thropghost the
doannent. We anadee souse- Adodway in
brInging mirilaNif 109% and fairness to
moo" to the wall.
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I come forward today with an
amendment to Gramm tdman whose
dictates the Senate, and, some of, our
House conferees rejected. Itr essence
the amendment foes Congress to
balance the budget--and to swallow
the medicine now-rather than out off
the political pain as would the Senate
plan.
We wanted a fair deficit reduction
Proposal. The Senate wanted the In-
cumbent Protection Act of 1986.
While it is far from perfect, this
amendment is . a vast improvement
over the Senate-passed measure.
This amendment would assure that
the automatic deficit, reduction effort
begin this year-rather than wait until
after the 1986 election.
This amen tment allows for rec on
adjustments in the deficit targe s.
Gramm.Rudman makes no 'such allow
arm and Would. turn the mildest eco-
nomic slowdown into a recession.
This amendment assures that the
defense budget absorbs its fair share
of'cuts. The Senate and White House
disagree over how much defense would
or should be cut under Gramm.
Rudman. Under this amendment,
there is no ambiguity. Defense will be
cut without any Presidential disgres-
sion. If the President fails to recom-
mend defense cuts, as Secretary Wein-
berger has suggested, none of the cuts
would be effective.
This amendment provides that the
Congressional Budget Office ~ will de-
termine ,if,the cuts- are triggered and
how they should be impleitred
Under Oremnm.Rudman. the-President
could orchestrate the cuts through
OMB.
This amendment spells out clearly
what programs would be effected-and
to ? what extent. ? Under Gramm.
Rudman, the President could pick and
choose among programs.
This amendment allows for cost,of-
living adjustments to be restored after
a sequestering order expires. Under
Gramm-Rudman, COLA.'s are perma.
nently lost.
Under this amendment, expedited
Judicial review of this process will be
assured. If any part of it In found to be
unconstitutional. the whole act will
fall. Under Gramm-Rudman, CBO
could be knocked out of the process al-
lowing, the President and OMB com-
plete control.
Finally. this amendment attempts to
Protect the most critical -lowdneonie
programs-by either exempting them
entirely or. by limiting the 'cuts.
Gramm-Rudman allows no safety net.
Mr. Speaker, I understand feelings
of my colleagues who believe that this
amendment is as much a disaster as
Gramm-Rudman. I am no happier
than they are in bringing this legisla-
tive product to. the floor. The fact is,
however, some form of automatic
spending reduction legislation is going
to Pass. We have worked in the confer.
ence. to make this legislation more fair
and more honest.
Many of shy collesgWgki Wft t to walk
away from this whole debate Believe
have feu t tie g,o ( lght. ici did
what we could .:under the cfrc}tm-
stances, And 1 would caution the ma-
jority who cdnaider the entire aside a
sham that, & no vote on this amend-
ment is almost certain to-lead tea lull-
blown Gramm-Rudman victory: on the
floor.
Under 'the. House amendment, de-
fense spending is Classified as control-
lable. The amount of outlay cuts for
subtracting : the: outlay : raduttiofs
made in programs With- coat-ot-l i
fi pfo =theareq
outlay . are allocated
among
other controllable programs-both de-
fense and npndefense-in proportion
to outlays from new budget authority.
In order to avoid excessive reduc-
tions in spending for defense readiness
accounts, however, the House amend-
ment contains a special provision re-
garding the distribution of outlay cuts
within the defense function of the
budget. This provision does not in-
crease or decrease the amount of
outlay reductions made in natloned de-
fense; It distributes those reductions
among the major components of the
defense budget according to ;their
share of total outlays-both now and
prior.. The amendment guarantees
that deIe"e _procur*1160t, which, rep-
reagsfs' 00443' pmt, of total As.
fens. ooutibsys; will )}segue AO , "Mipt
counts for' About a gthrter'of def4hse_
spending, will receive no more. 4W, 'a
quarter of the defense reductions.
A short sumiinary of the amendment
is as follows:
rm uncr: r Wri
The House amendment, starts deficit re-
duction nose;, while the. eclmomy is grdetplt.
instead of waittng`a y6sk-as if the
Senate amendment. The d~t$rget for
fiscal year 1980 fast at'$1e1 bUHofl instead
of $180 billion for $192.6 billion using the
SenMe "fudge ') in the original
Senate
-The House amendment also cuts the, defi-
cit more quickly. It the economy oontiP ea
forth ieticit whkh- l
-than the Seiittte smobehork if the ?e0ino-
my si+oWs, socordisr to t CEO acomede
profactions, The -largMa '; ne: - 3isnd,,losr
1951, $110.1 billicn; fia~cal year'199 , 075
billion: fiscal year 1080. $4.2 billion; and
fiscal year 1990, balanced or surplus budget.
siaasroaa r D$U. lrzS
The Haase amendment avoids turning
economic slowdown into r esselon. or reces-
sion into deprndon. and allows for
is recovery: The proposal adjusts the
t
deSW
-H907
i e oYae~is~lahe reenwes':nbints Of order
Meet, wo li sl~fioit of leg-
batloS., lardudiag resolutions, which
caused the deficit Co'. excvbd;'the deficit
target if the a aassaeloymnst rate is one per-
?entage point. or. more, ,higher, than s year
earlier. ('This has been the case only in re-
cessions.) It a reaaslor,were ,ycaantkihiated,
as iis' uM-11 I the cgse, Congre s could re-
syoad. The anginal ORaate amendment re-
moves such. Prints of order . only In the case
of an accurately ferec$ $+ eulon.
SH U QVRfATIOX flOeaa$
The House smendesentsenerdly parallels
the senate anuada It 1sy pcbvldlntyfoor
"toedMie def It teYtieti0ii t[~ , fcit
tiir t gases intw CEO fn ebrtinitatton With
the 06 eTifre "of- lboAgishft' and Budget
'tar wnt ;ear the ssudkw: Meg .fir. this
report wilt also pemy4wudsce '' yereent-
ago by which All Items subject -to reduction
are to be reduced.
On September t. the President would be
required y to, bane a seq order
C80 report. October 1,funds would be
deferred In _ it lr,this sequeetra-
t at have been :en stet lf. encicted legisla-
tion is kuffldent to lower the deficit to the
original: trigger level,' sequestration Is can-
celled If w1usebstloft Is neat teraeelled, a
new Presidential order is issued and takes
effect on October 15.
13W VT INA,w:o0odetstedasquedn kn
process is established. 111161 1, Wltb dell-
cit report by VAQ- 14 days atke omctotsnt.
The . P' 1dtsaMl order, ;is-hwusd tors weeks
later. As with the basic sequestlatin ratrsd-
We, the IM ps'oells *MVW,>JqW a:wrised
trigger rspOI i1 e>u is .thie, ae-
crd
questration procedures
were law
on November 0. 04w-um, ess would. mean
that,: the order would take
effect on December
tors as~rr or tore w>moao
The Senate amendment required both
0118 and CEO to detaftime'the deficit and
stipulated that. In the event theedir ctors of
this. t ob apsdss oould not agree 'their
fbsdings were 'to-16- averaged. "Tire House
amandumast. f'ti1~Y_ 030 dine
the deH ," and issuethe- trigger report in
consultation with OMB
Tl no r or a'u rnAL oaMa
The amount by which the deficit exceeds
the maximum deficit amount would be
eliminated by the issuance of an order that
would achieve 50, pert" of the savings
frogs COLA pseRnaee. To the extent savings
be achieved. ions" - tbess programs,
.the ? i?eme bar Ifs ,aahievs* trough . nwasc-
tion.le ail' etli psestasir tdeh: oft not
#MOWP4. Crab wodd:bem des is ptepo then
to total outtleg-a he the case et direst spend-
ins program and In. prepartift to now
budget authority in daaa:etsaary programs.
In is.g: the - sequestration , d the
President would be required to follow the
trigger report.
amaiasmnrs aH iOevwf rrxoe raoems
The sequestration pebOesn: could be can-
celled under, two If the, re-
't trigger' that Congress
' -fwd taken su~t to to the def-
tdt ? to the original trigger level; sequestra-
tion would not occur. Secondly. if, by
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Aumrt 16, Coegunsa hoe passed a kwlist
resolution, approved a reconciliation b w
and passed an .1* s ewladstM~yt bills,' {hen
CBO would detaasiss,'r N,
new
JQW_
been net. tl sw. nd~r `tlk, reewrt
nor the segYlatration older . bo lensed.
>~r rao~aese. .
The Heuer s* '. anent t e pro-
groats which are eweritpI 'frtrpa SelLuestm
tins.. In addition to salsa sieas 1Lj
on the national debe, tbe'lownsdtoooiM tax
credit ( M tad ether oeoisints epecttfed
would be Banie AM the 1
Food
W Beeurepr bear II . d to Families
with Dependent tbildrea (A7OCX dtiid nu-
tritiasX 1leteraod' poodum and oepaaeetear
Lim oosmnitify aY IDtgseat Mehl can
tars, Waeaes, Ia>m-tt sad Chilean ?LC).
NO the Coneaefty, $spslens^Od >1"aod
PIOMMUL
Ital wl beaetesltbata+aciw asatoMod-
boa s sad " ed old Vol" be ihaibd to the
index d poiifess of tAorp prI 'rease. lose".
41417 siiaibihtp woahtaaikaadadad:
resrriosa oe nee ssse a ssannR
e
b
1s mad for sag
04oera si
life the Rllhh pare aibJept W M
dicton god aw i E In'ebi h snail
be rednosd; and 01"tbe .tali so-
11 1 1 itoinimrise?reddmeenito100dfssaattoss, They also
asarisiows saeiaawtes
The Rome abaeaarsant _+1000 and aeed-
erates the normal budaot presser prey
for an sauod?bssmut reuihilim nod roeon-
eihattoo. asso>d1aa r. , ?.
C d0.d aerloh an a* eeaMln ant
reeiftitra on the bided! wewid be eo irdet-
MMdiva1L
Hans beets. on issal d. fb~enpsbatbsn
blhrwomm be asspieted bJalde-ad.
Hesonelhatess weald' be & sspdeted' by
Jobs, II
he the event that Casfpsels dpea ipt com-
phlte aetbon on the badietteooleti o by the
date specified in law, flobr`eri deratIen of
appropriatleoa -bills woala #A wed begin-
ning sa May 15. ,
Csaferarn in repeats us s bndretrnakw n
would be reauked to in wi11>it on, Maud-
NM dsddt Most foc tie, anal ,tear Thts
would be enforced throughro plot of soft
which e0uM eoiy bewaiwst b sssaierttrof
the aeasebses vetia&a
A point of order wsaM he agoieetthe ooa-
sideration of legislaUm vnM.a committee
has tiled its 302(b) subdivision.;
Anwndmen be prohibited If they, Increase the Ito.
ooisaaa:vncar+tisrs
The amendment wth Ares ease ad
r mkw of ah candltutisrtel leanest -bnehidang
whetter the bavdvemsat of CHO In the se-
quesaatb. bigger prone vldatee the Can-
t- , it "W proeiiin of the ieaaseairn
is feend -to violate the constiatls. of the
United states, then the ttra*Gtlaor of this
lsddaton woaldd aspire Any, Ita>,ber of
Congress world ire wtherhed'to bsdeg court
action within Si deyu Taeadioa weal be
heard on an expedited baalutr a thre!-
Juu glee district ce?tt is L114, Dhiriet of Cakms-
bis, with an immediate apposi to the, U.B.
aupr'mta COWL
The at amondo*st Owmehiss *w
-NW, 1646M 01
Wi
the uedr .toe or.
~o
+he ' ` tr bddas that, an
eidacimeix, the of T"Moury shell
tab"e, Si Wroldih~tthat .-SEW
W
naituettta "at waiesd bawri- `atlsendto se-
'nolued-sm tree.ang Nni had BA Ras.
372, as passed by the House on August 1.
The f ndi d isle lap ar5 tthhe.
ats9i sae-
pOiQd
the
tip ~uedieia 1msnx t
fried;. sNadroUd'liliHtssaen! smmedt: the
. Js>drvlsa.'unf' and Dlnaalty
go ad the Dtpartmett of Ddeooa MR[-
Wall t10 nt >t want the real thing,
the Mdad: nbd#mkft I arse niy ccl-
jeagues tea-join we in wotbut for it and
gslR, g douse to busmant for a dump.
Ids, Iif7BT~OWOUX ML Speak-
er-,.1 >deM 4 usl mtes to the gentle
fsor Too" tl+d. Bnoozsf.
W. BROOKS. Mr. Speaker, the
Gramm-Rudman budget proposal
which the ate sent over here is an
-1 ' Nd j ed and it-resoonslble
attack'd our dsenoeratie form of gov=
enuomit The proposal takes away
central Stem those officials elected to
get naMsnal pow; Senates and C811-
and the President.
it foal pastrpian- Now, the RiMafws
bane got a 6-year plan and now we are
going to have osl& It is going to set.ur
Nation on to unk nomaihosl course
with an outoabatio pilot as. the helm. I
do-not bdieretlmtit.tat?edy an linger will be
on the trigger, tMt of O'EQ;, In this or
isani cheer
The other vital provision to the pro-
good ;Hower wrtgeosilseent sauthaebas a
sedate Jadidd amens of the act it
.fond! ~rearide to ksmedbe review to
da6e~tadnowhetbwc3 "atnvolvesaent
fey the .singer pa+soassoviolsstas the Oon-
Mutim. addltiob, the :Sons vor-
don would authadoe oapedi6od renfew
of all constitutional issues thmgh an
sestina brought, --by any Member of
Cangtow or other adversab affeoaad
There is hardly anybody who can
am wth a Minh. foes that Graams-
Rtdssan or any version, cf it to from of
amtow coot uf3rl goastlms; it, is
vital , hat we lane a mr oallo ss in
p>Aee to seems that those. aasssltlcsos
it to court =&be addressed dfrwtly.
New ilia two tirteaiom tbs. t bane
Mt described aka enough reason I;o
up the aaabs.-tenor of s "pest" cede
an the Havoe'alfalrisUm Lift-w face
ft:: , in aosee loran to
probably going to be enacted into law
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because they have tied senior citizens
to the tracks and the train Is coming,
that If we do not pay the blackmail,
they will let the train run over them.
It is like saying, "Save me before I kill
again." I urge Members not to listen to
that nonsense, to do what they know
is economically responsible, to do what
they know is fiscally responsible, to
vote for the Rostenkowski alternative.
Mr. DUNCAN. Mr. Speaker, I yield 3
minutes to the gentleman from New
York [Mr. HORTOrel.
Mr. HORTON. Mr. Speaker, I rise in
opposition to the Rostenkowski pro-
posal. I do so on the basis that I think
this is a very complicated process that
has been suggested. The Gramm-
Rudman proposal was presented to
the conference. As a -member of the
conference I sat through hour after
hour after hour of meetings. During
the conference we formed task forces,
and we worked together on those task
forces, Republicans and Democrats, to
try to come up with a proposal that
could be acceptable. I think it Is unfor-
tunate that we do not have before us
now-=and I think we were very close to
It-a proposal that could be aaxpted
by bath sides, that could be presented
here this afternoon on the floor 60 we
could move forward and address other
matters.
As a matter of fact, I voted with
some of the Republicans and Demo-
crats to accelerate the Gramm-
Rudman and make It applicable to
fiscal year 1966. I have no problem
with immediate action''to reduce the
deficit. =What we are finding Is a situa-
tion. in which we are never going to
arrive at a balanced budget unless .w*
do something drastic. That- is what
Gramm-Rudman process and trigger is
all about. But there Is available to us
the opportunity for the Senate and
the House and the executive to meet
these budget deadlines and these
budget goals that we set within a cer-
tain period without having to pull the
trigger.
Excessive Federal deficits and a na-
tional debt that approaches $2 trillion
stand as the most serious domestic
problems facing our Nation today. All
Americans are affected. Future gen-
erations are affected, for it is they
who must repay this debt.
No end is in sight to these spiraling
deficits and debt. That is the problem
we have been attempting to resolve
these past few weeks. The mandatory
deficit reduction packages and propos-
als we have considered have been criti-
cized by people in both parties. and by
individuals and organizations reflect-
ing the entire spectrum of political
thought. But the bottom line is this:
discipline is needed in the 'Federal
budget process. Discipline is, needed
because the current budget process
doesn't work. It is Just that simple.
. Sequestration is the key element -in
the two proposals we. will consider
today. The central issue dividing me
and other, conferees was which pro-
grams would be subject to the seques-
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tration process and which would be
exempt. I have a large folder stuffed
with letters from practically every or-
ganization imaginable expressing their
concern over the need to reduce the
Federal deficit, but not in their specif-
ic program. All of their arguments are
good ones.. They make sense. By and
large, the programs 'authorised and
funded- by the Federal Government
Play essential roles in our society.
However, the, deficits and debt
remain as a constant and growing
threat to the stability of our economy.
and to our Nation's ability to compete
in an increasingly competitive world
market-today and in the future as
well.
Iaet us not forget that the sequestra-
tion process- is triggered only if we fail
to meet the projected budget targets.
We in Congress ultimately decide
whether that trigger will be pulled.
But my point is this: If the trigger is
pulled; then all must share in the re-
ductions that are mandated. The $93
billion in added exemptions provided
by this amendment does not cont Ib-
ute to this principle of fairness and
equity.
Mr. FAZIO. Mr. Speaker, will my
friend, the gentleman from New York,
yield?
Mr. HORTON. I only have 3 min-
utes, but. I yield to the gentleman
from California [Mr. Fezro].
Mr. FAZIO. The gentleman from
New York [Mr. HORTON] In a very bi-
partisan way In the conference yester-
day indicated conorn about the
Senate version of Gramm-Rudman as
it related to Federal pay. He favored
the Provision that was In the, House
Democratic alternative. Would the
gentleman comment as to whether he
still feels that way?
Mr. HORTON. Yes, I will be very
happy to. The Michel proposal aoeept-
ed -the proposal we presented yester-
day. That is6 that the House conferees
presented with regard, to pay. There
will be no reduction in pay. What the
gentleman is talking about is that the
Proposal that came over from the
Senate to the conference last night
ptoposed that there be reductions in
Pay, both for civilians and military
employees of the Federal Govern.
ment. I was and am opposed to that.
Mr. FAZIO. So the House position
would prevail on that issue.
Mr. HORTON. And that has been
cured In the Michel position.
Mr. FAZIO. Oh. I see. -
Mr. HORTON. I would not have arc
cepted the Michel position without
having that pay-problem resolved.-Md
the pay problem Is resolved. I was con-
cerned about reduction of military
pay.
Mr. FAZIO. Well. I shared the gen.
tleman'fl concern.
Mr. HORTON. We have fought too
hard to make certain that the military
in- adequately-staffed, and if we came
through .with a out is this sequestta-
tion, I think we could have been-driv-
ing people out of the military.
Mr. FAZIO. Well, I appreciate that.
The SPEAKER- Pro tempore. The
time of the gentleman from New York
[Mr. Hoa u,.] has expired.
. Mr. HORTON. Mr. Speaker, may I
ask the gentleman from Tennessee
[Mr. Dvticex] if he will yield 2 addi-
tional minutes to me?
Mr. DUNCAN. I do not have the
time. However, Mr. Speaker. I will
yield an additional one-half minute to
the gentleman from New York [Mr.
HORTOx].
Mr. HORTON. Mr. Speaker, I would
Just like to point out that many of the
-things of concern to conferees have
been Included. in the Michel Proposal.
There are very few differences, but
the important thing Is that the Treas-
ury is going to dislavest Social Securi-
ty unless we do something and do it
today. The best way we can do it is to
accept the Michel amendment.
Mr. MICHEL. Mr. Speaker, will the
gentleman yield?
Mr. HORTON. I yield to the gentle-
man from Illinois.
Mr. MICHEL. Mr. Speaker. I want to,
compliment the gentleman for. clear-
ng up the question in his - answer to
the gentleman from California [Mr.
FAZIO]. because he is eminently cor-
rect In how he explained the Issue in
our proposal.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The
time of the gentleman from New York
[Mr. HORTON] has again expired.
O 1300
Mr. OEPHARb% Mr. ,Speaker, I
yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from
Texas [Mr. FROST].
Mr. FROST. Mr. Speaker, I will be
brief.
The Rostenkowski plan Is far superi-
or. to what we have from Orarmm-
Rudman In terms of the Budget Act
and prooodus. Theret is timetables -and
in terms of the Bet c Act.
Basically what this pion. incorpo-
rates is 2 years of.wortc by the Beilen-
son task, force of.the Rules Committee
examining the Budget Act, It incorpo-
rates the best features of the work of
that task force over a several year
period. It accelerates the budget proc-
ess at the beginning. We would have to
pass a budget by April 15 as opposed
to May 16 in current law. Reconcilia-
tion would, have to,be finished by June
15 and appropriation bills would have
to be completed by June 30. It would
.greatly enhance the efficiency of the
operation: of. the Congress and ensure
that we, would get on with our busi-
ness in a timely manner.
Also, it addresses a serious inequity
in the Gramm-Rudman' proposal,. that
is the timing of sequestration. Under
the Rostenkowski plan, now the CBO
report would be due August 20. The
President's sequestration order would
then be due September 1 suit Congress
would have until October 1, to com-
plete our response to the sequestration
process. That means that we would
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that. no proposal has. I want you to
pay strict attention. to this, because
your retirees when you go back home
this weekend are going to ask you
about this. Your railroad retirees, your
military retirees, your civil service re-
tirees, and your Social Security retir-
ees :are going to ask, you if the Treas-
ury, . , Department dipped into their
trust fund.
Let me tell you the answer is yes,
and the gentleman from Oklahoma,
Jim Jots is going to explain. this a
little further about Social Security.
But let me just take civil service and
military retirees. We have seen an ero-
sion of their trust funds to the tune of
$8 . million a day since October 1, a
grand total of $248 million has been
depleted from those trust funds be-
cause of the lack of investment, never
to. be recouped unless it has _a provi-
sion which Congressman Joxss and I
put in the bill. Those moneys will be
restored.
So I ask you to support the Rosten-
kowski amendment.
Mr. DUNCAN. Mr. Speaker, I yield
3% minutes to the gentleman from
Florida [Mr. MAIM].
Mr. MACK. Mr. Speaker, I' thank
the gentleman for yielding.
We are here today to supposedly
bring to a conclusion the debate over
doing something significant about the
deficits that we have all talked -about
for several months.
The difference between the two
amendments that we sr$ talking about
today is this. One has-.& goal certain,
the other does not. One pretends that
it has a goal certain starting at $161
billion and working down through a
series of numbers.
Ours has a specific number of $171.9
billion, the deficit number in the
budget resolution that you passed; and
by the way, it has no. fudge factor in it.
What it means is- that there will be
an automatic sequestering of funds
across-the-board this year. So: if you
are going to use that 4s an excuse not
to vote with us, that is no longer valid.
But let me tell you the little game
that is going on, what I refer to as the
typical backroom political activities
here in Washington, the shell game.
We *heard one of the speakers get up
here and talk about the fact that this
was a balanced budget plan that was
being offered by the Democratic
Party, Well, that is true except the
maximum-and this is from your pro-
posal-the maximum deficit amounts
contained in paragraph 7 shall be. al-
tered in a cordanee-notice the word
"altered"-altered in accordance with
the provisions of this paragraph to re-
flect changing economic conditions.
To arrive at the deficit target, you
take the deficit for the preceding
fiscal year, minus 20 percent of the
deficit for the fiscal year 1985, except
that the percentage specified in this
subparagraph shall be either increased
or decreased by 1 percent, depending
on -a -one-tenth of a percentage in-
crease or ~ decrease from 8 percent,
which as you all can tell, I mean, there
is no question that that will get us to a
balanced budget by 1990.
Did I make that clear?
Again this is quoting language in
your bill.
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If that is not enough for you what
else has been done is that they have
designed this -thing knowing it will be
unconstitutional. How did they do it?
Mr. OBEY. Mr,, Speaker, will the
gentleman yield?
Mr. MACK. No, hwill not yield.
They have left OUP out of this pro-
posal. In other words, no longer will
the executive branch be involved.
They have also taken away the Pres-
idential, veto. What they say is that
legislation that has passed in both
Houses but not signed by the Presi-
dent can be included. 14 the baseline,
and once again, what have we ended
up with? We have ended up with a
shell game. You are fooling the Ameri-
can people once again.
We have heard it, We have all heard
it year after year when we-,go back
home. They may. "We . do pot believe
anything that goes on In Washing-
ton." What has been created by you is
exactly the same kind of thing-a shell
game that will no longer accomplish
what we started out to do, to balance
the budget by 1991. .
They have exempted programs. Cer-
tainly, we are', all -concerned about
people, but every lime we exempt, a
Program, and by the way, if you
happen not to be one of the special In-
terests that they protect: what that
means is that you the s+emaini;ng pro-
grams will have to take a double hit.
I would close with this: Our families
,
our children,, the American workers,
have, been asking for something to be
done. Do not give them 'one more po-
litical shell game.
Mr. ROSTENKOWSKI. Mr.- Speak.
er, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman
from California [Mr. Mszsaal.
(Mr. MII3.ER of California asked
and permission to revise and
extend his remarks.) -
Mr. MILLER of California. I thank
the -gentleman for yielding this time to
me.
Mr. Speaker and Members of the
House, otter years of rhetoric and
after years of struggling and wrestling
with the issue, today we make a deci-
sion on how we want to achieve a bal-
anced budget.
There is a Democratic . alternative
and there is a Republican alternative.
Neither is perfect, neither may be
workable and neither Is terribly fair.
But one of them will be chosen bythis
House,, and there is a question of
which one it should be. Let me may
that both the Democratic Plan and the
Republican plan will cut spending.
Both the Democratic plan and the Re-
publican 'Plan aim . "to l' balance that
budget-by 1991. but there- to a very real
difference between these two-plans.
The Gramm-Rudman plan is a tor-
pedo that is aimed tt the ship of state.
What the Democrats have`said is that
before this ships sinks; before the ship
goes under the waves, we will try to
put women and children into the life-
boats. We, will take ` those who need
heal tcare in the beginning of their
lives and: we' 'will provide that. For
those who need health care at the end
of their lives, we will try and provide
it. For those, who need nutrition to
grow and to thrive and to become pro-
ductive citizens, we will try to provide
it. For the poorest of the poor. in this
country. we will try to provide suste-
nance for them.
? That 13 not all of the people who
need help in this country. We basically
provide a triage for the poor. For
those who are the most seriously af-
fected by the disadvantages in this
country, we have died to take them
off of this ship and put them into the
lifeboats.
But the Republican plan has done
just the opposite. It has targeted them
for destruction.: It has targeted, those
Communities for' destruction and for
direct hits. How )las it done, that? Be-
cause they have continued to try to
shift the exempt prograrns.away from
domestic and "toward defense pro-
grams. They have continued to try, to
unbalance the cuts that 'Gramm and
Rudman said they wanted to provide.
So the question. is; Both plans will
take us to a balanced budget, In, 1991,
both plans will, out spending, both
plans will reorganize this Government.
The question is: When we do this, will
we do it with some compassion and
some understanding so those, the least
fortunate of us, will have an opportu-
try to thrive in the American
nity
sociatyt
Mr. DUNCAN. Mr. Speaker, I yield
3% minutes to the gentleman from
Ohio [Ir.O1ADzsoMl. -
(Mr. GRADISON asked-- and was
given permission to revise and extend
his remarks.)
Mr. GRADISON. I thank the gentle-
man for yielding this time to me.
Mr. Speaker, we have been hearing
from the other side all kinds of splen-
did arguments fore voting in favor of
the Democratic alternative. There are
at least four reasons we have not
heard much about.
First, if you are in favor of disinvest-
ment of the' Social Security trust
funds, then by all means vote "Yes.-
There is much we do not know about
the Democratic plan, but one thing for
sure is that it will be rejected by the.
other body. That assures us that the
Treasury will have no choice but to
disinvest. Those of you who vote "aye"
can count on spending the next year
explaining to senior citizens why their
trust funds were misused in this way.
A second reason to vote "aye" is to
assure that we swill have a plan that
will not work. The-Democratic; plan is
programmed to, selldestruct, carefully
written ' to assure 'unconstitutionality
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by including a nonseverabilityclause.
A third reason to vote In favor of the
other side's approach is to assure con-
tinued big deficits. The Inclusion of
floating, readjustable targets practi-
cally guarantees continued big deficits.
And so does the provision for. detrig-
gering. If the Congress meets the defi-
cit target but the President vetoes the
legislation. This is like going to. war
with a water pistol. What we need is a
trigger that shoots real bullets in
order to force the Congress to imple-
ment its own budget goals.
And finally, an "aye" vote assures
unequal treatment of spending pro-
grams. It throws out the window the
notion of evenly shared reductions by
adding to the list exempt from any
cutbacks,. and even treating Medicare,
which is not an indexed program, as if
it were. Do not be confused by the idea
that these. additional exemptions are
meant to zap defense. Yes, defense will
get a heavier hit, but so will a long list
of nondefense programs,
As for this Member, I will vote "no"
because.I want a plan that will work. I
will vote "no" because I want a plan
that will end big deficits. I will vote
"no" because I want to assure equal
treatment of spending programs, and I
will vote "no" because I oppose disin-
vestment of Social Security trust
funds.
Mr. ROSTENKOWSKI. Mr. Speak-
er, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman
from New York (Mr. Rnxosi.].
(Mr. RANOEL asked and was given
permission -to revise and extend his re-
marks.)
Mr. COLEMAN of Texas. Mr. Speak-
er, will the gentleman yield?
Mr. RANGEL.. I yield to the gentle-
man from Texas.
(Mr. COLEMAN of Texas asked and
was given permission to revise and
extend his remarks.)
Mr. COLEMAN of Texas. I thank
the gentleman for yielding.
Mr. Speaker, I would only point out
that no plan exempts veterans' pen-
sions except the Democratic plan, and
I think that is of paramount impor-
tance. They are not a special-Interest
group. They are veterans who served
this country and to whom we owe a
debt of gratitude. We need to protect
them.
Mr. RANOEL. Mr. Speaker, I cringe
when I hear this program described as
the Democratic alternative. I came to
this House this morning opposed to
this program, but the more I hear
from the opposition, the more I am
convinced that this is the only pro-
gram that we really have that we can
be proud to go back home and say that
we are supporting.
We are talking about shell games. Is
this a Democratic-controlled deficit
that we are talking about? Did the
Democrats reduce taxes by some $750
billion? Was It the Democratic Presi-
dent who has brought a budget'out of
balance every year for the last 5 years?
Was It the Democrats who really are
ing to over $2 trillion? Is.it the Demo-
cratic President who, is bringing us a
deficit of over $200 billion for this
year? Is it the Democrats who, are
asking us to invade space in order to
make certain that we take away from
our kids, our aged, our sick, our blind,
and our disabled?
If we are talking about some equity
here. r came in here believing that this
alternative lacked the, sensitivity that
it *deserved. for the American 'people.
But I tell my colleagues this: When
the vote is taken'today, do not believe
that it is just the Democrats who have
the poor and the aged and the blind.
Take' a look at the people in your dis-
trict and remember, when the.* final
count was taken in terms of bale nclug
the budget of-the United States that
at last it was one party, that consid-
ered those who had nothing to do with
making it unbalanced, and we are here
to protect them today.
Mr. DUNCAN. Mr. Speaker, how
much time do I have remaining?
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The
gentleman from .. Tennessee [Mr,-
Duxc url has -'8% minutes remaining
and the gentleman from Illinois [Mr.
Roa xowsaiI has 10 minutes re-
maining.
Mr. DUNCAN. Mr. Speaker, I yield 4
minutes to the gentleman from Ohio
[Mr. LATrA).
(Mr LA7TA asked and was given
permission to revise and extend his re-
marks.)
Mr. LATTA. Mr. Speaker, let me say
I enjoyed listening, as I always do, to
my good friend from New York [Mr.
RANOSL).
The only thing he forgot in his re-
marks was that this House has been
controlled by the Democrats every day
since I have been here, and as long as I
can remember. And that every single
spending bill has gone first through
Congress. Not one single President, be
he Democrat or Republican, has ever
spent one single penny that was not
first authorized and appropriated by
whom? Those same people that- my
friend from New York was alluding to.
Yes.
Mr. Speaker, let me say that this is a
serious business, very serious. We
should not take It in Jest. Let us con-
sider what we have before us today.
We have a $2 trillion debt. I do not
can who you blame, whether you
blame the President, whom you always
try to blamy, or Whether you blame
yourselves, we have a $2 trillion debt.
That is taking 15 cents out of every
single dollar that comes Into this
Treasury just to service that debt, and
it is up 50 percent in just 10 years. We
have a serious problem.
Let me say that all of- these pro-
grams that have gone through that
have cost money, you voted for. LAW
spendeto hear at *1eiiA that rs are saying once'
today we
want to do something about It. '
being' contacted by' 'the- chairman of
the Budget' Committee, when we were
In conference on the budget wanting
to find ways that we oquld cut in the
budget bill that We fiiullly passed on
August 1? You were saying no, you
could not out those programs,, and we
caine back With a $111.9 bifllondeficit
for fIscall year 1988. My, it was tough.
But is is going to be tougher today.
If. you ever passthe $161 billion deficit
ceiling that you allude to, I am ready
to make those reductions and to out
my vote where my, mouth is. Are you?
You, have not been ready to the past. I
can point out. a couple who have, but
only a couple. But It will be tough.
Why? Because private sector forecast-
ers are esyiag the fiscal. year 1986
.budget deficit will , be. 4~ . billion.
That means we win have to cut or se-
quester $39 billion to get to that $161
billion target-at an annual rate, that
is $53 billion in further cuts-we are
already through part of 11scal year
1986.
Let me may a yes vote today for this
hastily contrived Democrat pan Is a
no vote, for.Oramm-Rudman and you
cannot escape that. The other body
will not accept it. You know It and I
know it. We need to. pass a proposal
which stands a chance of being adopt-
ed by the Senate-namely the Michel
proposal.
Now what does the Democrat plan
do? It restless to $191 billion the' defi-
cit In fiscal '$a* lass, but at the same
time you areadding U" billion in ad-
ditional exempted programs, from the
Gramm-Rudman sequestering provi-
sion. You cannot have ' It both ways.
This Is your proposa], not'thlne. In the
conference I voted for the $161 billion
limit but not with all of these exempt-
ed programs added on, not $50 billion.
So it you are sincere, take 'out the $50
billion.
No, you are not willing to do that.
No one can support this $161 billion
figure with the billions of dollars in
exempted programs because. it b' una-
chievable unless, of course, you want
to run up the white flag and proclaim
to the world that the United States no
longer sustains a strong national de-
fense. The Russians would love for
this House to cut the legs off of our
President just before he meets with
their leader on arms reduction.
If you vote for the Democrat plan,
you might just as well tell the Presi-
dent of the United States to' stay at
home, because we have taken all of
your bargaining chips away from you.
Under the Democrat proposal, only
44 percent of the total budget would
be subject to sequestering. With
Oramm-Rudman- 59 percent is avail-
able for sequester. Need I tell you
where we will get -the lion's share of
these reductions ' will the Democrat
plan? Out of defense, out of defense.
Is that what you want? That is what
you will get under this proposal.
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Mr. HUGHES. Mr. Speaker, I rise in
support of the Rostenkowski amend-
ment.
Mr. Speaker, earlier today, I voted "no"
on the motion, to recede from diagreement
with the Senate amendment. I did so' be-
cause, like many of my colleagues, I am
not at all happy with either the Democratic
or Republican alternatives before us today.
We can and should do better and I would
send it back to conference where we were
making progress on a bipartisan alterna-
tive until about 3 days ago.
I am very disappointed that the Demo.
cratic alternative takes certain programs
off the table almost entirely, In terms of ex-
empting them from some of the stringent
budget cuts that may become necessary if
the Congress falls to reach an accord on
the best way to meet -deficit-reduction tar-
gets. I don't dispute the Importance of
those programs-AFDC, food stamps, 851,
and others-to the sick, the elderly, and the
needy. I have supported those programs in
the past and will take a back seat to no one
when it comes to concern for the most vul-
nerable in our society.
On the other, hand, I find it difficult to
completely differentiate those exempted
programs from a number of others that
also serve very important functions in our
society, such as law enforcement, . the
courts, the Coast Guard, education, and
others. I'm not sure that we should be cre-
ating any sacred cows-and I don't see that
there is a sufficient basis to do so-as we
attempt to come to grips with the terrific
imbalance between Federal spending and
revenues.
Indeed, such exemptions for certain pro.
grams place a disproportionate share of the
burden on others because every dollar we
don't cut from AFDC or food stamps Is an
extra dollar that must be cut from drug en-
forcement, the courts, the FBI, higher edu-
cation, border patrol, and so on. Beyond
that, many of these nonexempted programs
have fixed costs, which means that budget
cuts must come out of manpower.
As my colleagues know, I have been very
concerned about the problem of law en-
forcement In this country, especially at a
time when we are seeing a rise In Interna-
tional terrorism, bumper crops of illegal
drugs flooding our shores, and major crime
rings are' sometimes better equipped than
some of the armies around the world.
The types of : spending cuts envisioned
under the Democratic plan might yield law-
enforcement cuts upward of 26 percent. I
find that difficult - to justify when other
programs are being spared entirely from
the budget knife.
On the broader problem of bringing run-
away Federal borrowing under control,
however, I have little doubt that the Demo-
cratic alternative is dramatically superior
to the Republican proposal in terms of both
timetable and procedure. It contemplates
that, If the economy is robust, deficit re-
duction can proceed at a quicker pace. On
the other, hand, if the economy is luggkh,
the Democratic alternative slows the severe
budget cuts that could otherwise turn a
mild'recession into a major one, or even a
depression.
Assuming economic growth on the order
of 3 percent over the next few years, bow-
ever, . the Democratic elernatWe gets us
where we want to go a lot faster. with a
deficit of $67 billion by.fiscal. 19M and Just;
M billion, b -1989. The Republican ap-
proach, In contrast, has no cuts worth-men-
tioning before fiscal 198&
In terms of the procedures under the
Democratic approach, responsibil. for
budget Cutting - would day where' it be-
longs-berg in the Congress, I It would
amend our rules, so that any one Member
of this body could make a binding objee-
tiow if a budget was brought up which did
not stay within our def elt-reductieu tar-
gets. The targets could be overridden only
by a three fifths vote, the same ? Is set
forth in the balaaoed-bttdget constitutional
amendment which- has been so fervently *d-
voeated by some of our colleagues.
If C.owsress does fail to do Its job, the
President would be required to blow a ad
formula in making the necessary budget
cuts-just as would be the case under
Gramm-Rudman--but without the danger-
ously broad exercise of discretion possible
under Gcarnm-Rndnam.
At the same time, the Democratic alter-
native Wows for an expedited I n PI "are
for adjudicating constitutional challenges
to the proceduro:
In conclusion, despite. its many short'
comings, the Rostenkowski alternative ap-
pears to be the approach which takes the
most expeditious and responsible road to
getting our fiscal house in order. I urge my
colleagues to support it.
Mr. LEATH of Texas. Mr. Speaker,
ladies and gentlemen, if there is any-
body In this institution who really be-
lieves that we are going to vote for a
perfect document inhere today, you
had better take a gut check. T
Because, ladies and gentlemen, what
we are doing and what we have done
for 3 weeks now is to prove to the
American people that there Is no re-
sponsible way for us to abdicate our
responsibility to govern.
That is the real thing that we are
proving up here. Now. I applaud my
friends Senators. Oaiawos, Rupxata,
and Hou.n os, for bringing as -to this
point, but I resent to some degree; I
can understand partisan rhetoric as
good as anybody. and I have done my
share of it, but I resent, to some
degree, as my friend, JAras Pleads, said
when people say. "Oh, the Democrats
are demagoging with this $161 billion.
'Let me tell you something, neighbor.
There is -no demagoguery; in.. the $161
billion; it I. going to bite Democrats; it
is going to bite Republicans, and it is
going to bite Ronald Reagan; and if
you do not know that, you have not it.
Now, I am amazed that after years
of trying to cut this deficit to an my
friends, some of them on the Republi-
can side the other night when we first
threw out the figure of $161 ? billion
just go crazy; "Oh. my Lord, we can't
do that. That is ' what we have been
telling the people for 30 years, that we
can't do it:" Now who has got an
excuse that we cannot do it?
We need. to attack[ this deficit while
we have got an economy that can
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stand this level of cuts, and - I think
that that is what this proposal does.
- The goods news, -Mr. Speaker. and
the American people, is that I think
regardless of which one 'of these
passes, that the American people are
going to ultimately be the winner, per-
haps. -but I happen to believe, too, in
fairness, because I am a conservative
Democrat and because we are conserv-
atives-we do not have to say that we
have no compassion for poor people;
they are our poor people in this coun-
try.
It does not make any difference
what your political philosophy is; I
would much prefer that we solve this
problem based o0 fairness and .equity
across the board: we are not going to
do that, we have said we were not
going to do It, by statute in the
tframm-Rudman proposal.
So for us to come in here and say
that We art not going to do the same
to a few poor people and to the veter-
ans in this country, I think is blatant-
ly wrong-
So I would urge that we vote for this
alternative becauleitis a good one.
Mr. COLRMAN' of Texas. Mr. Speaker, I
resent the isap"ca of .the gentleman
MFloridta [ Mr. CII that veterans are
special interest. We as a Nation owe our
veterans for what they have sacrificed to
protect our Nation and our way of life, and
the gentleman and, his colleagues should
not forget the debt that we owe them. That
Is the wrong at1Itnda and action for this
Congress to, taffy. tlndet the Democratic al-
ternative, v terans pe and diabiiky
casippenatioon would 10 eachded from
budget cuts. Under Cramm-Rudman, or the
House Republic" *kesraeti a that' would
be Batt. That Is just one aspect of the Demo-
cratie budget balancing alternative which
makes it better.
The-Demoeratk.alternative will bring the
budget in. balance in fiscal year 1999, not
fiscal year 1991 as the Republican and
Grammm-Rudwusn. pleas would. It would
begin the budget cutting today, not next
year. It would avoid the political posturing
contained in the. Republican alternative
and In Graaum-Rudman which would anew
tZ Members of the Senate to avoid lasing
up to the cats until after their reelection
campaigns iin.19K The Democratic plan
don what virtually every economist be-
Ileve must be doneeat the dsfidt now
rather than requiring that It be done in the
Mom
The Democratic alternative Is clear and
defined in what programs are subject to
cuts, the , Republcs. a ternatve and
-Grsnuahud>rnI are sat. TING Democratic
alternative would en lode Social Security
from cots and take it oft budget where it
belongs. The Republican alternative. and
Gramm-Rudman would exclude SocW Se-
curity, but would still leave it on budget
-a d vulnerable tr Mare congressional
cuts. The Democratic alternative specWcal-
ly excludes these *nga es : which benefit
the poorest of the poor. The Republican al-
t e and Gsaasm. an would net.
The Demaeratie - atve would exclude
Medicare from emits beyond animal cast of
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Limhtstions Prescribed in the Case of a en', own a p in which spending and he is to be,a lawmaker. The Cor)Wtuthon
Bill." Art. I, 14, ci. 3. taxlnE decie ms had been glade for the solo- limits his functions in the lawmaking psoo-
Attempts to deviate from this lawmaking nies by the royal governors--the equivalent can to the recommending of laws he thinks
process have been unequivocally struck of the Executive Branch. . wise and the vetoing,of laws he thinks bad
down by the Supreme Court. The most Congress can exercise this Constitutional And the Constitution is neither silent nor
919 (1985). where the Supreme Court ruled
that "legislative vetoes" are unconstitution-
al. In Chadls., the Court stated that legisls-
t(on can be enacted only oneway-through
the steps required by the Constitution: bi-
cameralism (action by both Houses) and
presentment to the President (who may sign
the proposal or whose refusal to sign may
be overrides Congress).
Thus, in b Chadha, the Supreme Court
ruled that Congress cannot undo a law- by
anything short of it new law, and that all
laws must be adopted through the constitu-
tionally mandated procedures quoted above.'
The Court stated in the strongest terms
that delgations of authority Could not.be so
crafted as to avoid this constitutional proce-
dure, which had been carefully devised to
preserve not only the rights of the people
but also the separation (and balance of
power) among the branches of government.
The Gramm-Rudman proposal seeks to
circumvent these constitutional
ments. as did legislative veto, except that
Oramm-Rudman attempts to do so by dele-
gating unconstitutional powers to the Presi-
-dent, rather than to one or both Houses of
Congress. Though its language merely di-.
recta the President to issue an "order" re-
quiring a reduction in expenditures-a man-
datory duty based on the projected econom-
ic conclusions of two bureaucratic agen-
cies-the effect of these so-called orders Is
to repeal duly enacted statutes. The prppos,
al attempts to authorize the President to
undo a law by something leap than a law-
and is thus unconstitutional.
While under the Constitution Congress
can delegate the authority -to implement
laws, It cannot delegate the authority to
repeal laws. This is precisely 'what the
Gramm-Rudman proposal purports to do. '
However, the issue involved here t? for
more than a technical question of the proce
dures required by the Constitution, an to
some extent was the case with legislative
veto. The spending (in this case, "non-
spending") authority delegated by the
Ot'aanm-Rudman amendment goes to the
core of the concept of separation of powers
and is one specifically addressed in the Con-
stitution:
"The Congress shall have Power To lay
and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Ex-
cises. to pay the Debts and provide for the
common Defence and general Welfare of
the United States; but all Duties, Imposts
and Excises shall be uniform throughout
the United States; . . ." Constitution of the
United States, Art. I. 18, Clause 1.
"No money shall be drawn from the
Treasury, but in consequence of appropria-
tions made by law ... " Article I, 19. Clause
7.
The Framers of the Constitution were ad-
amant that spending and taxing be in the
hands of the legislative body which would
make the decisions and set the priorities.!
This -explicit assignment to Congress of
spending authority was, not made lightly. In
fact, it reflected the framers' familiarity-
with the long and bitter battles of the Eng-
lish Parliament to win control over revenues
and expenditures. It also reflected the from-
' In' fact. The Conati ution explicitly requires
that tax bills originate in the House, that body clop
eat to the People. "All Bills for raising'Revenbe
shall originate in the House of Represeatativea: but
the Senate MY Wotose or concur with Ameod-
menu as an other Bills. Constitution of the
United States, Art. 14 1T. Clause 1.
ity, only through enacting laws; and the en-
actment of Iowa requires bicameral consider-
ation and presentment to the President. other me
however - And ' not contitutiofsal: enfant.'
As the Court stated in C iadha:
"The fact that a given law or procedure is
efficient. convenient, and useful in facilitat-
ing functions of government,,
alamw will not save it if It is contrary to the
Constitution. Convenlense and efficiency
are not the primary objectives-or the ball.
marks- of democratic government. . "
(462 U B aY944), - .
It is no idle concept that bgly through Uhe
power of the purse sob[ Cong N Save lay
effective control of the tltOdtitlee:--is has
been repeatedly domed through our
history, recently in the Nikon Impoundment
cadet, and even more r+reens)r so- Congress
has prohibited or demanded the expendi-
ture of authorised, funds foe various pur-
poses, This power of the purer Was given to
Congress both so it coul ,preserve Its own
prerogativem and so it limit the other-
wise potentially' unlimited power of the
President It is tn+oublhng that' Congress
would no. casually consider abdicating this
power. (CBO's role under the provldon doer
not alter the reality .'of thda transfer of
power in any way. In fact, there is the same
constitutional defect in ammimminar lawmaking
functions to this leglsl(a agency.)
There are numerous reasons to
question the wisdom of granting so much
power to unelected officials" at OMB and
CBO, who would have a great teal of discre-
tion in deciding whether the previsions of
Gramm Rudman would become effective; an
event triggered by their joint budget esti-
mates. Additional power : Is gin to the
President and OMB, aa, agency - located
within the Executive Office Of. the P-
dent, who would decide what Is n eiint to a
"relatively controllable" Or an iutomatiC
spending" increase, and thus, how pi'ograms
are to be cut. However, the most basic
reason to oppose the Oramm-Rudaran ykd-
vidon in its current form Is based solidly' in
the Constitution and its bade premlae of
separation of powers.
The Founders of this country intended
that the Congress exercise its lawmaking
authority to make spending and taxing dod.
sions. The Founders no doubt knew the dif-
ficulty and discomfort that these decisions
would produce. But these choices we'
among
the more bade to be made by, any govern-
ment. It is for precisely this reason that
theme. decision were placed pquarely in the,
Congress, which cannot constitutionally "
refuse to make them, however poEtieany'ad-
vantageous or expedient it may be to do so.
The Pounders of this country intended;..
and required. that theme decisions be made
through a politically accountable process
through the enactment of a'law under the
procedures required by the Constitution,
In 1975, the Supreme Court Mated," In
Buckley v. Vatem 414 U.S.1, 124:
"[Tlhe principle of separation of powers
was not simply an abstract generalization in
the minds of the framers: it was woven into
the document they drafted in Philadelphia
in tho suntm of 1987."
Twenty-th e years earlier, in 1952, an
Supreme Court emphasised the?rom of the
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of laww the executor of laws, not the
In the framework of our Constitution,
the Preddant's power to we that the laws
are faithfully executed refutes the idea that
equivocal about who shall make laws which
the President is to execute. Youngstown
Shed and Tube V.- Sabyer, 343 U.B. 549, 567-
89 (1952)
For many years prior to the Supreme
Court decision that the legislative veto Pro-
cedure was unconstitutional, I had opposed
the procedure, on the bash that it attempted
to short cut the coallitituticnally mandated
requirements for adoption or repeal of a
law. I have the some concerns about the
Oraann?Rndman approach, though these
eornoeetp 'are greater' because Oramm-
Rudnien domes at, the core power of Con.
greas:-the Pam of the purse.
I urge that we not hide behind this proce-
4 Il and constitutionally questionable pro-
Sincerely..
P7;'i'ER W. RODINO, ix.,
Cliafrman.
HARVARD Uxrv=LSITY LawScnoos?
Cambridge, MA, October 22 1985.
Hon. Mini ByrrAa,
U.& Rowe of Representatives, Noun Ray-
burn Offce huUdintgi. Washington, DC.
Dun Coleampux Byxaa: In accord with
our cones ation of Friday, October 18, I
have examined the Gramm-Rudman deficit
reduction ,propospl (fJ. Res..8T3) with an
eye to its COndttution`l validity. My conclu-
sion fs'that it has several serious infirmities
that merit the dosed attention.
To begin with,. by requiring the White
House to submit annual budgets that
comply with a predetermined deficit reduc-
tion' Schedule. the proposal quite directly
and obviously infringes the President's ex-
plicit constitutional power to draft and to
recommend legidat do "O be shall judge
necessary and el dtent " U.S. Cont. Art.
Ii, Sec. 3.
While thus denying tl)e preddefaoy a
power specifically reserved to that office by
the Constitution. Gramm-Rudman simulta-
neously appears to grant the executive
branch a 1oxidative power that Is the prov-
ince of Congress aides. The proposal re-
quires the President to bring future federal
budgets into line with the deficit reduction
schedule by reducing or eliminating cost-of
living-allowances and similar automatic
spending increases previously enacted in en-
titlement - programs.. The President must
"s end such "automatic Increases., and
"sequester" certain appropriated funds; the
bottom line of Gramm-Rudman is to bestow
upon the executive the unilateral power to
"extinguish[!" forever whatever "legal
rightV' any recipient had to the increased
paymentan,
Although the Supreme Court has long
held-that an individual has no osmrgtutibn-
al right to forestall legislative repeal of sov-
ernament benefits (see, e4., PkawmfnO V.
Nestor, 383 U.B. 603, Ill (1900)). tees stat-
utory! entitlements can be withdrawn only
by Congress, For, an the Reagan mints,
tration urged and the Burger Court hold in
its 1983 legislative veto decision, acts that
have "the purpose and effect of altering the
legal rights . ,-. of persons ... outside the
legislative branch" we inherently "legieL-
tive" In nature. INS v. Chadha, 462 U.S. 919,
962 (1983).
Those who drafted Oramm-Rudman are
fully aware of the extent to which the bill
transfers legislative power from Capitol Hill
to the Oval Offloe. IJt seeking to dampen-
mtrhe for this darbbw deleltatios4 tiproiloa-
al's supporters have compounded 'eonsti-
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The change in Congress had come. We The kicker I. that we all know this 'agreement fell apart over the last 2 to
had recaptured our powers to the extent amendment is going to be rejected by the - 3 days.
that we were almost an equal voice. The other Chamber and the White House, which I think maybe. that the first vote we
press didn't read it. Jimmy Carter didn't w311 have us in a trials situation
read it. They didn't appreciate the power requiring had today tells the truth of the whole
and the strength of the Congress of the an additional, temporary extension of the matter. Take a, look at it: A majority
United States. Jimmy. Carter thought he debt telling or the disinvestment of Social of the Dempcrats, 131 to 116, In, voting
Was going to be another president with the Security, the way they , On the motion to
powers. Of a Nixon or a-Kennedy: or a John- The Rostenkowski'awcend~t Is sainted recede, skid they. were.. for no package.
soh, and he didn't have 'em when he. arrived oa abackdrop'"of h oldtag thN toahtry's el- h The trilth of UO Patter is the ma-
lt is now left to O'Neill and other mem- deny population hostage aad,l for one am jority on..this side really wants this
bers of the House to save the Senate and as willing to sit back and have Social 13e- whole issue it, just go away and "Let's
the country from the damage that threat- Canty tampered with for the purpose of ad- forget about- We don't want another
ens to be done. vanting a detkit-euttiua proposal that on process that will try to make us live
Mr. ROYBAL Mr. Speaker, as chairman its face Is designed to IhL . within our means.11 That is the truth
of the House Select Committee on Aging, I As l said. Mr. Speaker, the Rostenkowski of what is involved here, and there is
want to rise to express my strong support amendment Is held up brsmoke and mir- the vote.
for this measure to prevent any further dig- rem Maybe when the smoke clears the sea- Now this program does begin in
investment of the Social Security Trust lority Party can look late the mirror and 1988, to, the tune of 171.9. All we are
Funds, ask itself whether it want.to play politics saying is, let us live Within our means
Already, the Treasury Department has and raise taxes, or whether it wants to cm- of What we have already agreed to do.
made its first invasion into the trust funds struct a realistic progeamrto final y reduce That is all we are asking. We not
are
and broken the trust placed by 30 million the bloated Federal deefiojt' . going,tp do that.
elderly. Now is the time to put a stop to The SPEAKER Pro "Wore- The The experts on budget will tell you
this invasion and to show America's elderly gentleman from Tennessee [Mr- we are going to be $20 or $30 billion
that the Social Security Trust Fund is DTncCaje] has 444 minutes remaining above that. That Is put of the prob-
sacred.
Further, this measure would give the
Senate sufficient opportunity to properly
consider the House's more reasonable and
considered approach to balancing the Fed-
eral budget.
Mr. GROTBERG. Mr. Speaker, it's time
for this body to ask itself a very simple, but
critical question: Is it our Intent to buckle
down and adopt a real plan to reduce the
Federal deficit, or are we going to continue
to play ganmW hold up 'mirrors, blow
smoke and then onnounceto the world that
to and behold we have solved the most cru-
cial problem facing this country?
The . latter, Mr. Speaker, could. just as
easily be summed up in three words; The
Rostenkowski amendment.
Where I come from we put up buildings
with labor? steel and concrete We don't
line ap engineers and laborers only to have
them sit around waiting for building nate-
rials that never come.
The Rostenkowski amendment. strips
away the basic building materials we need
to eliminate the Federal deficit. It exempts
another $93 billion, in programs from the
sequestering process, requiring heavier cut-
backs in other programs such, as Amtrack,
student' loans, overseas private investment
corporation, Export-Import Bank, agricul-
ture credit insurance, rural electrification
administration loans, veteran loan guaran-
tees, Small Business Administration Pro-
grams, Sysifuels, maritime subsidies, health
professions training, farm price supports
and soil conservation.
We can't from one side of our mouths
say we are making a meaningful attempt to
cut the deficit, and then out of the other
side say we are exempting more than 50
percent of the budget from the deficit-cut-
'ting effort.
That's what the Rostenkowski amend-
ment dees. It exempts itself right-out of its
very purpose, reducing the Federal deficit.
Further, Mr. Speaker, it 'is by design net
.up to fail by establishing a completely un-
realistic deficit goal of $161. billion in fiscal
1986, whkh.does nothing more than set the
table for substantial tax increases;.or, for
entirely . abandoning the deficit cutting
process within the next year.
RosTlmsoWSS13 has 2 minutes remain- . ACLU WLI.LA &ALM WAVae e1IQ, Acre wosy,
1n8. the package , we are considering is a
The Chair re the gentleman
from Tennessee (lair. Dvucalsl.
Mr. DUNCAN. Mr. Speaker, I. yield
the remaining time to,the gentleman
from Mississippi [Mr. l orrl
(Mr. LOTT asked and was given per-
mission to revise and extend his re-
marks.)
Mr. LOTT. Mr. Speaker.. I w ulld like
to remind - my cone on, of all
that drahm-RudmantlifllMack
proposal is a bipartissp proposal that
passed the Senate by a vote fo. 75 to
34. and It -included come votes forat
from Hou nros in the I mocratic
Party to Km nvxny. We. need to remem-
ber that.
When this whole matter, started out
here in the House on October 11,our
distinguished minority leader, the gen-
tleman from Illinois (Mt: luktctmt.] did
not come down here and-say "Take it
whole hoe or else." He said go to c:on
ference and see if We can work togeth-
er on this thing and come b~akkk with a
package that answers some 'of our
questions, and, If we can't do It in a bi-
Partisan way here in the House..
So we went to the conference, and It
started off, I thought pretty well; In
my task force we were working in a bi-
partisan way; we were making some
progress. We worked with the gentle-
man from California [Mr. Batzexsow3,
we worked with the gentleman from
Texas [Mr. FRoST3. In my task force, I
will guarantee you, we made a lot of
progress, and we were about 95 per-
cent together.
I think some of the other task forces
were making progress, but then some-
thing happened. The earth moved Ev-
erything shifted, and It became evi-
dent we ' could not get a bipartisan
agreement. It collapsed. '
T hesitate to call this the Rostenkow-
ski package; I know 'that be probably
is not even comfortable with It. I do
not know what to call it, but I know
this: Our effort to find a bipartisan
here are not fattened to work.':No.1, It
Is set up whereby v e7 out OMB,
realizing there will be a constitutional
challenge on just CBO being involved,
and if..that is stricken out because of
the nonaseverability clause, the whole
process govn. .
_ So the hope Is, we will destroy 'the
whole process under this package be-
cause of the constitutional question. I
think a -lot of people would have to
admit that. Also. it front-end loaded.
The Idea i4 let us go so deep in this
first year that there is no chance of
doing it, and we will chunk this whole
thing within the next 6 or 7 months.
So it is set up not to work. We have
this list of exemptions. I guess. As far
as knowing what Is in your package,
there is our pacd age; where is yours? I
asked last night that the gentleman
from Illinois [Mr. Roarxxowsxi3 let
us at least see it.
We have not seen it. Come on, now.
You Were moving your package right
up until the last minute; here Is your
little list of exemptions. '
Let me give just a few examples of
what programs are not in the exemp-
tions: Head Start. Now, the gentleman
from New York (Mr. RA1coxW would
want Head Start to be exempted, I
think. What about cancer research?
we do not exempt cancer research.
Housing? Agriculture, defense, educa-
tion, trade adjustment assistance-I
mean, where does it stop?
Yes, I have my programs I would
like to have exempted. toll have your
programs. We' Could get together and
we would exempt defense. we would
exempt agriculture, we would exempt
veterans,. we would exempt . every
tingh --we are right back,is the same
dang pot We have'been in. We cannot
exempt anything.
That is the high moral ground. The
gentleman from Texas [Mr. LEATH) tr
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right; we should not exempt anything,
but remember this: We, are not voting
to cut one program, we are not voting
here to cut one single ?prograu'n, We are
Just voting to set up a' process; to try
to make us move toward a'deficit re-
duction plan. That is all we are asking.
. If we have the courage to, cast the
tough vote, if we will agree tm out pri-
orities, if we will do the Job, the trig-
ger will never kick in; and in the other
package here, the trigger, it is falla-
cious; it would never be pulled.
We have got to have a trigger, and it
has got to be so bad that we will do
our Job rather than have our head
blown off by this trigger.
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That Is exactly what. we are trying to
do. I am serious. I know a lot of others
on both sides of the aisle are serious. I
believe we will come up with some-
thing eventually. But Just think about
where we are right now. If we pass
this package, what is going to happen?
It is going to go over to the Senate,
and, by a bipartisan. vote, they are
going to say, "No, thanks." They are
going to put our package, which they
can accept, on it and send it back, and
then we will have nothing, and Social
Security will be disinvested, and our
package is the same as yours on Social
Security.
Let us vote against this package, and
vote for the one that will get the Job
done.
Mr. ROSTENKOWSKL Mr. Speak-
er, I yield such time as he may con-
sume to the gentleman from New
York [Mr. Lvisanez].
(Mr. LUNDINE asked and was given
permission to revise and extend his re-
marks.)
Mr.. LUNDINE. Mr. Speaker, I rise in
support of the Rostenkowski alterna-
tive.
I strongly believe in fiscal responsibility
and discipline. In fact, during the Carter
yam, I voted against more than half of the
budget resolutions because they did not go
far enough to reduce the deficit-deficits as
low as $29 billion. Five years later, we have
more than doubled the size of the national
debt, adding $211.9 billion in `Sscal, year
1985 alone.
These megadeficits are totally irresponsi-
ble and unsustainable. The budget deficit Is
driving up the value of the dollar as we
borrow more and more foreign capital to
finance our debt. We We losing jobs and
mortgaging the future of our children so
that we may enjoy tax cuts and a booming
consumer economy today.
Normally, I vote for debt ceiling legisla-
tion as a matter of course, treating it as a
housekeeping measure. It has always
seemed clear to me that it Is irresponsible
not to vote to pay for debt resulting from
decisions and commitments already made.
Nevertheless, gives the fiscal strophe
facing us, the ides of linking a plan to
bring the budget Into balance to debt ceil-
Ing legislation has some validity and I am
prepared to support this concept. '
I think we can bring the budget lift bal-
ance In 6 years. Having definite gosh for
a ahjw-g this Is necgeeary OW-1 sup-
port the enactment.of an sytp antic me-?
chaasim which . will cut spending .If the
Congress and the President remain stale-
mated and are unable to agree under the
regular budget process.
However, on the points of difference be-
tween the finales and Senate Q the provi.
sions of this nieclmnism,.it strt ds, that
the other body Is being itubborli sad un-
comprommising. They have refused to :take
separate votes on issues that divide va In
order to protect their, members from ac-
eountabihty. The have failed to. yield on at
least five points of extreme importance.
First, the other body's provisions shield
their members from making any of the
tough choices until silver. the 1886 election..
Surely, if continuing angadeVAU an an
urgent priority, one for which we, risk,dos-
ing down the Federal Crovafmmt, them it
Is equally urgent that the process begin
now-not after: the 1986 election. I believe
we should at least set w target equal to that
agreed to in the fiscal year 1986 budget res-
olution and I am prepared to go =I9 billion
below that level beginning this year.
Second, the question of what propane
should be exempt, from aiteatatic spending
cuts remains unr solved. One alight ques-
thm why any pr'ograss why any program
should be exempt. However, If they are, it
is clear to we that these expenditures for
programs that go to help the very poorest,
people-about 5 pefeestt of the budget--
must be on this exempt list in addition to
social Security.
Third,. the other bob is arguing that
larger p of the defense iudgetAe
shielded fl om automatic cuts,
while a larger portion of theMMtHre Pro-
gram be put on the table. This Studaseids
reflects. an indefensible set of priorities in
my view.
Fourth, the current provisions, jaapardize
our ability to .flight a recession, Emoting a
mechanism which would require deficit tar-
gets and automatic spending cuts-In time of
,recession Is irresponsible ieanalmie policy.
Tying the land of Government during a re-
cession would not only prolong the eeo-
nomic misery, but would-put the very Possi-
bility of recovery in question. The mecha-
nism we adopt mud permit flexibility to
allow greater cuts in times when the eeona
any Is healthy and less dredle austerity
when it Is not.
Finally, the question of who makes the
determination of whether we an meeting
the goals-the Congressional Budget Office
[CBO] or the Office of Management and
Budget [OMBI-must be resolved. While
this is not a matter of great importance to
me, it does seen to me thskover the years
CBO his acted on a nonpartlsaf basis and
has proven quite accurate In their projec-
tions. On the other hand, OMB, dnrMg
both the Carter. and Reagan administra-
tions, has been blatantly political. In my
view, the trigger should be set objectively
not by an agency serving one of the parties
in the dispute. For thee reasons,'hsupport;
the House positions on these qurtions.
We ire in a time of' redemergency` In
-our fiscal affairs. During such titafes4 it is
generally necessity to put aside partisan
interests. Rowerier, -I set tired' of hearing
Congress being blamed time and time
a 11
again,. President Raagaa, has failed 10, pro-
vide the strong leaderships awe"" to
steer a responsible fiscal course: 'Instead,
the pomp of his sweeping An tuts and
unprecedenfed lnaea$ee- M spending for
the milltary'ha a brought us to this point.
The President h*s.;et int.. t a byattced
buadget fot smw a lderstpa. At the same
time, a2 ;out of apps ristians .,bills
passed by Congress have come In under his
recommended spending level.
I am not suggesting that Congress I.
blameless. It Is time for all parties to stop
the stubborn Insistence on their own prior-
ities. In this regard, I have. been willing. In
the peed to show where cuts can be made in
programs like rural housing that. are of
great importance to see and to my district.
Every part of the- budget must be scruti-
aided If we are to reach the goal of a bal-
named budget.
My greatest fear is that to the polariza-
tion of 'Interests between the advocates of
defense and the defenders of the poor, pro-
grams.tkat assure a better future for our
Nation and a rising standard of living for
our children will be acrifaed. Our support
for education, lot science and technology,
and far, economic development must be
continued. Support for these programs I.
an investment In our future and the future
of our children.
We meat not underestimate the challenge
before us. REednumug the deficit will require
difficult and painful choices. Bof-eter, fail-
ure to make the decisions, today, will un-
dermtiae the Nationt's health and wellbeing
for years to cone. We mmsgt net delay
action on the deficit any longer.
Mr. R T Mr. Speak-
er, ' I yield such time as he may con-
sume to the gentleman from Texas
[Mr. Di L C3earr-], the chairman of
the Committee on Agriculture.
(Mr. Ds LA GARZA 'asked, and was
given permission to revise an(1 extend
his remarks.) .
]&. as LA GARZAl. Mr. Speaker, I
rise in support of this amendment.
Mr.'. Speaker,. far' all any colleagues to
have an oppoitualty to study for any fur-
ther action on this legislation as It relates
to agrkukuserI submit the following.
The- proposed revision of subsection (q)
wilt-
(1) incorporate the three provisions of the
Senate amendment that=-
(a) make all Commodity Credit Corpora-
tion (CCC) oontraets-that apply to a par-
ticular crop of a obttrmodity subject to the
same terms and conditions:
(b) clarify that noncontract support pro-
grams of the CCC ate subject to reductions;
and
(c) ensure that reductions among CCC
programs use an equii' percentage rate of
reduction.
(The proposed revision does not Include the
clause in the Senate amendment providing
that each CCC oopttact to which subsection
(q) applies mead explicitly p ovlde for a re-
duction for the entire trammel period.
Tbis_olauae ;appears.'to be. surplus language.
and, if included. could have a.perhaps unin,-11 tended Adverse effect aft tqulttyear CCC
eontrsCta, such as those" involved In mul-
tiyesr set~asides and lpultlyear milk diver-'
ston agreements.k '
(2) add a new Provision that iieoorporstes
the Boren legislative history. to permit re-
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sequestration, I thought they comprised the tic approach,. it is dtlfkuk to achieve sav Congress, of course, could allow a Presi-
safety net our president used to so warmly in" without irrational, results. Grimm- dentlal sequestration order to stand rather
embrace, and so movingly promise to main- Rudman requires across-the-be~a d reduc. than by to chellelige it, as it Is unlikely
tain. We can not preserve all of the safety Lions which means that the mobs one Cuts, that a measure varying greatly from the
net today- But let it be dearly understood the more - azpe naive Government Domes Presidential order will be signed. A Presi.
that whatever Is preserved Is the result of on a per unit pocurement bash; Beam dential veto then becomes . even more pow.
the actions of Democrats, and not the advo. no one program can be fatally eladnsted, erful because any President supported by
cates of Gramm-Rudman. reduced resources.: m" be stretched to one-third plus one Member of either body
Those four elements, It seems to me area cover all existing pregramns, ensuring -that could . eontrol
the the budget. Gmam-Rudman
degree Minimum o necessary
rationality into to intheject G some no service is performed at a verb $13"a& could not be repealed. even though a di
Rudman process. ranim- tory level. In addition, some programs will Ity of both Houses thought It was disas-
be cut to the point that they no longer per- trove, unless the President agreed or both
Mr. Speaker, In my opinion the adoption form the function for which they were de- Houses could get two-thirds to override his
of the Gramm-Rudman concept will be an signed. But these programs will Continue to vito.
action this Congress will come to deeply siphon off much needed funding from pro- Grsmm-Rudman is a disaster for the l
regret I know we are going to get Gramm- grams that could remain viable. isWfve proeea. It severely distorts the
Rudman in some e
Lonny. Under those sir- The list of winners under Gramm. check and balance system In our Constits-
cumstances, I am going to vote for the Res. Rudman IN very short The list of losers I. down. It would make Government less effi-
tenkowski alternative. Of the two, it better very long. That list of losers includes sync- cleat and it Could. lead to a nmenloa.
protects the Interests of this Institution and tically every segment of American society.
the interests of the majority of those we It means that kids who seed immmniza- The Democratic r tic alternative, perhaM is
represent I only hope that the advent of Lions will not get them. It measa that poor. not a perfect vehicle, but it would uld protect
the GmamnwRudnan automatic pilot women who need prenatal pre wiil not get MAMY Of those in our country who are not
system for making spending decisions will It. It mean, that the farm crisis will only dable to protect eal with the themselves. It attempts to
hasten the day when all of us; Congress, get worse. It means, in short, that.Govern- complexities of our economy.
the President, and the American people, meat no longer. really protects these who It serener to Congress better control over
will take a more honest view of the causes are unable to protect thounc thsswelves. ft" also the legislative proem, It would allow an
of our deficit problems, and what needs to memo we an going to have less money to expedited review at all the constitutional Issue& be done to solve them, inspect nuclear powerplants, to provide air critic And, tiwhile nog ve perfect, deserves our so!Mori and
Mr. ROSTENROWSBI. Mr. Speak- traffic controller services, to provide test
er. I yield such time as he may con. ing by the Food and Drug Administration, wow ?P ef.you to vote for it
sume to the gentleman from Michigan to maintain highway safety, to operate the Gramm-Rudman b not the. answer to the
(Mr. DnraSra 1. chairman of the Com- Coast Guard and for a multitude of ether deficit problem we face in Assaries today'
mittee on Energy and Commerce. services to which.most of us in this country It Is a political gimmick. It should should be de.
ested.
(Mr. DINGELL asked and was given have become accustome&
permission to revise and extend his re- Gramm-Rudman could result In arbitrary Mt. ROS'i'TN&OWSffi. Mr. Speak-
marks.) and destructive cuts in vital defense pro. er. I yield such time as he may con.
W. DINGELL. Mr. Speaker, I rise today grams. While the purchase of many large sums to the gentleman from Texas
in support of the Rostenkowski proposal weapon systems may be protected by mul. [Mr. ArmRxws].
and In opposition to the Gramm-Rudman tiyear contracts, funding for operations (Mr. ANDREWS asked and was
proposal, whether it, is the version as and maintenance could be severely impact- given permission to revise and extend
passed by the other body or that version re- ed. This could result in lessened battle his remarks.)
fined by the White House and our Col- readiness for our troops. Mr. ANDREWS. Mr. Speaker. I rise
leagues on the other side of the aisle. Gramm-Rudman also means arbitrary in favor of the Rostenkowski amend-
Whatever the form, Gramm-Rudman is and destructive cub in meat.
the most extensive of programs anoe
giveaway tongres. aged, for the young, for the sick, and d for Today we face a difficult but necessary
sional authority in American history. We, than less fortunate in our society. The decision on the future of our country. We
as Members of Congress, should remember Democratic alternative would protect food and decide how we will cut the crippling
that if we are to retain the power to Iegis- stamps, supplemental security income Federal budget deficits that threaten the
late we cannot allow this power to be dilut- [S81], aid to families with dependent chit- tutee security of our Nation. Beyond the
ed. James Madison, in Federalist 58, stated dren [AFDC], child nutrition programs, the rhetoric, beyond all personal 'Interests,
that the power of the purse represents "the Women, Infants, and Children [WIC] Pro. beyond the recriminations and fingerpoint.
most complete and effectual weapon with gram, and the Commodity Supplemental 1119, we need to resolve this crbfs. In 4
which any Constitution can arm the imme- Food Program years, the annual deficit has grown from
diate representatives of the people." Make Gramm-Rudman would make arbitrary $59 billion to $220 billion and we are faced
no mistake about It,. Gramm-Rudman and destructive cuts in programs that with a national debt of over $t trillion.
would dilute the Congress' power over the ensure the health of all our citizens. "The This is a debt that his doubleid in only four
purse. Democratic alternative would protect Na. short years.
Not only Is Gramm-Rudman flawed can. tional Institutes of Health funded research These deficits present us with many prob.
stitutionally, the bask premise Is Irrational Into Cancer, aids, heart disease, strokes and lens; the worst being their invisibility. You
in other ways. Gramm.Rudman ignores other great killers, and community health cannot point to a deficit; you Can, however,
20th century economic reality. We have Centers, as well as health programs for mi. show how it hurts all Americans. These
spent the past 60. years in this country grant workers. deficits rate interest rates, making it hard
trying to build niechsnis>tss into our Gov. Gramm-Rudman would cut COLA's for for our economy to grow and for our
ermheat that will stabilize the economy, In veterans. The Democratic alternative would people to export the product of their
times of crises. Our people have endured protect veterans" pendons.
painful experience in order for our Govern. labor. That xportLes into Americans out
Gramm-Rudman would destroy the legs- of work and families short of the necessi-
ment to learn the difficult lessons of eco. lative process as we have known it for the ties of life. A young family Cannot afford to
nomic stabilization. Gramm-Rudman past 40 years. It adds a fourth layer to an buy a home, a blue collar worker loses his
throws all of this out of the window. already crowded budget cycle. Net only job and a. senior citizen aces his savings
Gramm-Rudman has no realistic Provi- would the legislative Committees-authorise, erode, -These deficits raise our'' national
sion to deal with recessions, regardless of the Appropriations dCsanrlttees appropri- debt which mortgages the future of our
the fact that they may or rosy not have ate. and the Budget Committees prepare children and grandchildren. These symp-
been predicted. Gramm-Rudman could ac- budget resolutions during the fir t 9 tops of the Federal deficit are crud and
tually trigger a recession or push a mild re- months of the year, but the Congress would insidious, -But we,cannot attack the symp?
cession Into a deeper recession. be required to redo the whole thing in an toad w! must cure the disease. We must
Gramm-Rudmnan also p omotes Govern- omnibus r Conciliation bill at the end of balance the Federal budget and bring these
meat Inefficiency. Because of its mechanic. the year. deficits down.
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This budget crisis has been my number cal resort P00694 6M aaasaeaig ggaav* for
one proorlty since my election, as It has the coming fiscal Y=16 W1101011011 iamb of
been for other members of Congress who spenriag,;ssosann- and donsits as a Souk
know the deftclrs affects on jobs, trade, in. of aaspsa ilmosl adios
terest rates and at economy as a whole. Na k Pis fisafemieswsii alternative. pro,
lad Ml, l cosponsored a balanced budget sWs for aapod" /sditiaA me win of eon-
$am that woadd bane required the presi- mar apnasaalienr r. JMeg the asto-
distint.fYs Chrigama 4s subin a balanced melt a$didi usia lop paws. g believe
boo t bsiWe the moist; pp[ ,tiffs -ice flpesl MM . aaaadrw b_ atboaisiM - "NNO& We
AM stint Plan did pat past, es wa 84 masse , open An the Iaasssalp at idlest setuc-
lsssr. ivies' we mast decide aplfa. We have tisssat W a ighdtsd she fasaatitu om.
before us two took to cat the budget Let Mr. Jpwlrsr, 1 an !audited I. we the
we cheese wisely. . liftasse euIap on ebb pines of legteMion
Last week I arced to [end Noun confer- bdsp: 3 nip 4 ndhaaso to cupped ,the
ees to the House-Senate conference to work g-. am id aNsssaive b groom-
ova a bipalisaw ba1111neet ballet plan we Rudman.
can all support I strongly' sopport the eon- Mt. ROai'1 WSSI. Mr. Speak-
eapt of a stsiey Meet, starkly, eafbreemble er, I yield the remafnkat 2 nflnutft to
maaifwy pegi out of delielt reduction the geaaenraf from Wissotrri [Mr.
whims bash Mugsess to defiest targets 1M7.
mrsey year usaA 1 Mar budget Is balanced. We 11tr. C38!'RAM?. Mr. -Shenker and
ham /sae too loft "doff absut deficit re- lt[errbers of the 3al'otrse, this may be
duck "'daub ss k p only bipetMsan the roost tesperEarlt weed you WM cast
sidles, my' bangle, Iaard tentless, about in this E7lotmreag or petbsps fn any
speelpe sots In spsiMs pegra are going Ctrgpm in wlafehyat will serv
to gars to a bdauwd budget. The 6'ranam- Let as atdels$sndr MIS we are here
Rod ms approach peuaise, to ask* the today. 1801** dbout tI')is`)iftO of a
bssgiY tenons miff and mw da4trt n- raechanfeer. We we here today ,be-
de ntisB mere nafy come we lave a lrresfdeat who valet pot
Us Moraaiassis afbssnn_tse to the lead to et rld ofdie and bec9ase
Gramm-Rladmas pia bdese an lofty is we have Mesftbers In the other body
said pass est. 'lane we be an pallet, or wile do not went to vote fir a $2 tril-
wary' to do wins ere on 67hag Jim debt Celt wtOwa a- figfeaf to
to how Misr list dw Raslanisowsk1 alter- hfdle, what they are dbdrg
native considerably improves 6Yamn- And the worst part !i; that the other
gist base sass to ft lit over the cauc I "m, 1. I. a IIV4 VV 14 WNW. 14
are awud ~.., - 1f ds..taur >,.,n.r.. is a good Idea; we need ft,. but let's not
not us. who?
bipaaWan sib b cerlbi6rs ba saaad, re- If rx* now, when?" Does that not
spwibis, naMasliaa sf tits aiabalat
No. 1: The Rostenkowpkt aiYQwetive apply to what we are doing today? Our
would basis She pracws at melt radar ion alternttIee does It now.
new Instead of asst yeas 6F snquids is Can- Two other quick points. Na 1, what
gress to cut the deficit to $161 billies in *1'e iOW? Vafue87 That it what La at
fiscal year 1$86. Cranaal.>iaadanaaa vets a stake here today. Who do you want to
target of $180 billion is. gists Asiais yew a protect We are taihfng about 80-per-
figoge wbick regtairas as mesa into *an cad defense, 5O-percelat ne-defense.
Cod as has already nsa& this yina, TMre The gnotfon is, Whp do you exempt?
Is absolutely so reason to coif? especially Members of the other side. cease dawn
now at a tame Wien out eeonomp earl helm and, In I-minute speeches yea>ter-
absorb these Levels of cart& ps tattier, IS oelr day, UKQ, "We- are. g ofitg to protect She
economic pxojectieaa for fiscal year ?1167 elderly." Yet. In the propiosal they
turn out to be too optirsiatic, we will be Ie yesterday, they put Medicar* In
faced with very severe outs neat your that category No. 2 so that it. gets cut
will be very painfni. beyond the COLA.
No. 2: The Rostenkewah aWanath a pro- Shame on. you to 'making the
video flexibility In the deficit reduction, tar- .speeches and these making that xu-
gets in the event of an economic downturn. iwsa1. -
Our o jecttve hero is to tsesetve Ike lest!- Second, tt has W do wish powers, If
tern economic basin' of our NaUun, To Yoh vote for their alteeraawtlve sensor
Ignore the devastating effects of deep than Ours. what wpowers hat it
you SW* to the Is ym do act
budget cats during recessionary periods care would be to Ignore the objective of our Presldswt. Be has aU the Dower. You
budget-cutting effort& have reausaged the Cotfetitatio. You
No. 3: The Rostenkowsld alternative pro- have said he can do asyttriw be
rides specified and dsW W giddsiisees to watt4 and thou to saps war ie go to
the President In his adminishaWn of oougt to *O him..
spending cub in the event of a ssupestra- When Bets Prankxn was {anoint the
thou order. Gramm-Rudman allows the ball after waiting the C=mUtutisa, a
President an unprecedented amount of laO-..grOw anted to know ft we' wefre eduff
tulle to pick and choose the cuts he wants to hu a. seplAliIlc or wbekber we were
to make. going to, hate a lrlasiiroip. Be was
No. 4: The itastenkowaki Aker satire h"pr to, say we:bad liseiiaaA to aseaas?
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the table.
The SPEAKER. The Clerk will
report the third amendment in dis-
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country provide safe baba or ss(fie ottesage
to these terrorists:
(2) the United States expects full coopera-
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Senate amendment No. 3.
The SPERM The gentleman
from Illinois [Mr. RdsTSNttows>ul is
recogMeed Sari *VW.
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er, the motion domPy recedes to the
Senate :ilseai(tSerlt eoseerrdrly the
Achtue Loan g h4sclift laeidkrlt. That
is. all. the ameudaviA &a.
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the table
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The SPEAKER. ,Is there .obbeedtlon
to the regde t of the rentLvinan from
joheoieAi
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eject.
The SPEAKM Obluac 1onJs heard.
EXPLANATION OF RaiQD=S'F TO
NW 3Mi
(ice r asked and
was given permission to _ address the
House for I menses.)
Mr. ROSTENKOWSKI. Mg. Speak-
er, I would Just like to infasm the
House that what the geatdenea n from
Pennsylvania [Mr. WALK=) has just
oWected to results in the continued
ftinds f av tment Of Social Security trust
I thought that this exercise was
mainly so that we would not reach
into those trust fllgida and hams what
we consider a sacredtruat.
Mr. JONES of Oklahoma. Mr.
Speaker, will the gsnt1se .n yield7,
Mr_ R.O5TliF1YQw5&I. I yieM to
the, gsaQalkiaii.fsoilb Okiahow&
W. WAr ENL Us. Speaker, will the
g.ntlemael.. $ ld to Iuba Maoe he re-
fef rred to me?,
Mr. JONES of Oklahoma. Mr.
iipeaker, I weld hope that as unni-
agoiia tawseat this cod be reeonsid-
and ? asld that the gantid~ from
Pennsylvania would rasemkhr.
We ks a asikatiaea that the woek-
end the Secsyrp at the Treakay has
*deatad that be Witt heads the
NMW- S{A06 >0agkrak' W the tMe of
New, the will iatre *6106m I m the
mm" IWl bn POW Denafiekrles of
tir'Soeb-18ee....j 'Ip fund.
Tea oour L assts pewdbg before
the V.& DbdictCasein The piatiattils
easel'. tiw AMP. the save antis Ssout*ty.
There are several plaftsW dg suck as
fkigmei BIMVAW ' of HZW, Asfhur
pumbe and 0$1 Who MW "Lftt-
entg ?e attossikf- dk lsiot Rksltad-
saQ. They are aelrybig cut the De-
parl mmut clubs' y has as legal
authogifl-te tauraliethe SreiatSecurity
trWA fad to p tnjktiIRS riser Than
the beneficiarlese( Baokit saeettitq.
I ten) past of tort nit, and I t 1 nk
they are !flicks
It the oast ahukld =it and they kept the qne pang" rnm
sags night, depmOM on whet
Cbn-
lrws does. an the dlkdit Nn *,-In
ilkvor
of the ph*f& Than you aekid this
i UMMMMI&fatara.veeyd18fcMt: s-
liiotk Mule-coins anus de9etlt: I would
hope task a w goptlMaloek wooff reesa-
ateder to pgeokekio at dfedtwMW sad ft pre-
vent the Soc Mlultp ti wt rand
ban betlkiN 1Mktu/edtdkr purperes ether
thsag p.plkks swish to 1ht bene8ef-
11[lelf
NIL WASKM. fir: der, will the
ffeekli3elr '* s* !isles h e tefic:rred to
me?
REQ $r 1O IDERNTIM
OF ii.R. liW, FINNIZRTINct 7WE
CW $ORZ*L
SECURITY TRUST FUNDS AND
OTHER TRUST PITh
ML l 'TEiHSOwwsa Mr. 8ptstk-
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Coemakitlew'ata Wby*wvkX..akheifo -
abseee;ad frown haft a Mssdefe> dud st
the bill 4NJL MO to W ens, the
dk
bayestiaeat of #W-- ---aft= Hasse
funds and other {seat fnkteK =A sot
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