MINUTES TWO HUNDRED AND EIGHTY-THIRD MEETING WEDNESDAY 1 MAY 1985, 1002 - 1149 HOURS ROOM 7D32, HEADQUARTERS BUILDING

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DIRECTOR OF CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE
Security Committee
SECOM-M-288
8 May 1985
Minutes
.Two Hundred and Eighty-Third Meeting
Wednesday 1 May 1985, 1002 - 1149 Hours
Room 7D32, Headquarters Building
Chairman
Presiding
MEMBERS PRESENT
Mr. Robert C. Allen, Department of the Navy
LTC George L. Alvarez, U.S. Marine Corps
Office of the Secretary of the Air Force
Mr. David C. Fields, Department of State
Col. Anthony J. Gallo, Jr., Department of the Army
Mr. Vaughn Holcombe, Department of the Treasury
Col. Robert B. Huey, Jr., Department of the Air Force
Central Intelligence Agency
National Security Agency
Mr. Jerry Rubino, Department of Justice
Mr. Gary L. Stoops, Federal Bureau of Investigation
ALTERNATES PRESENT
Mr. Thomas H. Blankenship, Department of Energy
Mr. John F. Cunningham, Federal Bureau of Investigation
Mr. Edward Dansereau, Department of the Treasury
Capt. William C. Horn, Department of the Navy
Defense Intelligence Agency
Defense Intelligence Agency
Mr. Roger H. Robinson, Department of State
ALSO PRESENT
Central Intelligence Agency *
Mr. Gerald Berkin, Department of the Navy
National Security Agency
Dr. Philip Eckman, Central Intelligence Agency
LTC Preston Funkhouser, Department of the Army
Mr. Richard B. Peterson, Drug Enforcement Agency
Mr. Donald Sti ers Department of State
central Intelligence Agency
SECOM Staff
SECOM Staff
Executive Secretary
* Present for part of meeting.
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Special Briefing
Mr. Leidenheimer, noting statements made by the DDCI in 1984 indicating a
desire that SECOM be involved in security to counter terrorism, introduced
Mr. Charles Allen, the National Intelligence Officer -(NIO for Terrorism, to
speak on the terrorist threat and measures to combat it.
Mr. Allen said global terrorism is undermining the political 1
relationships that the United States depends upon. The U.S. is the primary
target of terrorism worldwide. In 1984, 267 incidents of terrorism were
noted - a 100% increase over 1983. The Middle East accounts for about 40% of
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There is an impression in the Middle East that the West is on the defensive
with regard to terrorism. Despite U.S. talk of retaliation, we have not done
so, which makes our statements seem like bluster. Mr. Allen noted that our
failure to back up our words with action caused terrorism to have a more
coercive effect on such Middle East moderates as Jordan. He said European
especially France and Greece, are permissive toward terrorists. None
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of our allies is ready to take the steps we have taken against state-sponsored
terrorism. Mr. Allen noted SECOM has an interest in security measures here
and abroad. He said the most serious problem for the U.S. now is in Lebanon,
where Hizbollah (backed by Iran) has the greatest potential for hurting us.
The purpose of terrorist attacks there is the removal of all Western
influence. Every American, regardless of status, is vulnerable in Lebanon.
Some, he said, don't seem to recognize this (e.g., teachers at the American
University).
Mr. Allen described major functions of the NIO/Terrorism, and recent
Community initiatives in counter terrorism. The latter include establishment
of the NIO/T position; incident management improvements; intelligence
exchanges with foreign security services; improvements in collection
management; counter-terrorism analysis; training courses on counter-terrorism;
and establishment of the Interagency-1
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He noted the
Flashboard system established for the rapid passage of information on
terrorism data. He said it was used the previous night to exchange data on an
explosion in Brussels which was initially thought to have some connection with
the President's European trip. He mentioned the DESIST archival data base on
terrorism. Mr. Allen advised that collection requirements for data on
terrorism have been upgraded, and that DIA and NSA are developing training
courses on counter-terrorism.
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Mr. Allen said much more needed to be done to counter terrorism. He
stated that more has to be done to improve the ability of the IRT to deploy
quickly. HUMINT collection against terrorism needs to be improved. Linguists
are needed with fluency in languages/dialects used by terrorists. Covert
actions designed to disrupt terrorist efforts need to be developed and
applied. R&D to support counter-terrorism needs more emphasis. Such means as
facial recognition systems to identify terrorists traveling under false
documentation, and predictive measures to forecast terrorist acts need to be
explored. He summed up by stating that the terrorist threat is likely to come
to the U.S., both through indigenous and foreign groups. He noted the
vulnerability to terrorist attack of U.S. power grids, oil pipelines, and
similar installations. Mr. Allen said SECOM has an enormous responsibility.
A question and answer session covered these points:
noted that the briefing dealt essentially with
collection and analysis of intelligence and how we deal with terrorist actions
as they occur. He pointed out that prevention of incidents through good
security is as important as dealing with the incidents after they occur. He
asked what is being done to help security officers become better informed-on
the terrorist threat and how they can help in a practical way. Mr. acknowledged that we don't seem to be getting practical spin-offs to support
government counter-terrorism efforts. He noted that our security measures are
focused on guarding against collection by hostile intelligence services. He
stressed the vulnerability to terrorist attack of intelligence contractors and
ground stations.
asked that pre-emption and retaliation be addressed.
Mr. Allen said Middle Eastern terrorists may have a perception that our
threats to do those things are empty words. He noted the "holy fervor" which
may carry terrorists farther than their sponsors may desire. He described
some pre-emptive means.
asked what psychologists had to say about dealing
with suicidal terrorists. Mr. Allen said psychologists believe that if we can
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talk to terrorists or stop them before they make their final run, we may
able to change their minds. He noted that most persons selected for suicide
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missions come from poor families and have limited educat
asked about Soviet involvement in terrorism. Mr. Allen
said he believed that the case can be made that Soviet support for states that
sponsor terrorism shows an indirect Soviet role. He noted that Soviet
officials in Lebanon, for example, apparently have contact with terrorist
groups. He said the Soviets believe that anything that can destabilize the
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asked how counter-terrorism measures could be applied
against narcotics trafficking. Mr. Allen said some collection resources need
to focus on the need to report intelligence on areas that support narcotics
trade, such collect and report data on corruption
of military elites by traffickers. a said we need to identify the links
between traffickers and terrorists
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thanked Mr. Allen for his informative briefing.
Preliminary Comments
The Chairman:
A. Welcomed Gary Stoops as the new FBI member. Mr. Stoops said coming
to.Washington from Las Vegas was a return to reality. He said he looked
forward to working with SECOM.
B. Advised that no replacement for has}been nominated. Mr.
replacement is provided soon. He stressed that everyone on the staff is more
than fully occupied now. He noted;thai: will be managing the next
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diminish what little flexibility there is to provide temporary coverage for
critical issues and events.
C. Reported that Major Hibler convened a meeting of the SUMMER research
group on 30 April and 1 May to explore and agree upon interview and testing
methods and approaches. Staffing for the project is almost complete. Cases
for review were suggested by CIA, NSA and Army. NSA and CIA nominated
erienced officers to participate in the effort. A printout from the Bureau
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D. Described high interest compromise and leak matters:
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E. Informed members that the FY-85 R&D and study projects previously
approved by SECOM were submitted to the Intelligence Community Staff for
concurrence and transfer of funds to executive agents. The first one, for a
polygraph evaluation study to be done by NSA, was just approved. Mr.
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F. Asked if members from Defense could provide information on the mid-
April hearings on personnel security before the Senate Permanent Subcommittee
on Investigations. said Army testimony the first day seemed well 25X1
received. He advised that the Army brought in one of its double agents who
worked against the Soviets for 10 years to testify about how the Soviets
operate. asked if anyone saw the hearings as having an 25X1
impact on the overall personnel security program. noted critical
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critical of the personnel security program and deservedly so. He said he was
pleased to see Congressional recognition that the Defense Investigative
Service needs more resources to do the job assigned it. said 25X1
Congress had noted that there seem to be too many requests for clearances.
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G. Advised that the dates for the 1985 SECOM executive seminar had been
switched from 12-1 November to the following Monday and Tuesday, 18-19
November, still at He noted that the SECOM Christmas `.25X1
lunch is scheduled for 18 December at the t. McNair Officers Club.
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making it possible for many subcommittee personnel to-attend. 7 H. Reported that he and the Chairman and Executive Secretary of SECOM's
Technical Surveillance Countermeasures Subcommittee (TSCS) recently briefed
PFIAB staff members on what TSCS does. A question was why PFIAB didn't hear
more about this organization. said their response explained 25X1
that the subcommittee maintained a low profile in the interest of good
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security. He stated that the briefing was well received, and that they have
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1. Noted that nominations had been received from the Army, Marine Corps,
Navy, DIA and NSA for persons to participate in the one-day, highlights
version of the personal security training course offered by CIA. Mr.
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members, and that the little more than 10 attendees nominated weren't enough
to justify giving the course. He encouraged more participation, and said
further nominations should reach him by the close of business that day. He
provided administrative information on the course.
J. Summarized highlights of the 24 April meeting to discuss concerns
about implementation of the 4C system:
- System participants are working on an abbreviated and simplified
version of the 4C users' manual.
- Procedures have been initiated to simplify use of the system.
These were explained at the meeting.
- The system manager is exploring the possibility of granting limited
access to SCI contractor files to permit determination of such things as
the date of a subject's DCID 1/14 investigation.
- Funding for the second phase of the system was discussed. The DIA
communications element agreed to fund installation and maintenance of the
equipment.
- Participants agreed to meet periodically in the future.
Said the Arms Control Intelligence Staff recently requested
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support. noted that DIA and CIA assisted in providing on
short notice a paper on a security implications of "nuclear risk reduction
centers," joint U.S.-USSR facilities to avert international incidents, provide
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warnings of military exercises, missile tests, etc. He complimente
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ACTION: SECOM members who have not responded to the request in
SECOM-D-079 2 March 1985 are requested to do so by
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ITEM 1 Approval of Minutes
The minutes of the last meeting, held on 3 April 1985, were approved
subject to a minor change requested by oncerning the number of 25X1
firms subject to foreign ownership. control or influence. A copy of the
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ITEM 2 New Business
A. said the Bureau of East Asian and Pacific Affairs in State
had asked for guidance on dealin He noted Mr.
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advised that his response was not a SECOM disapproval of such discussions, but
was a citation of White House policy which seemed to apply in spirit if not in
letter to the'situation at issue. Participation in such a conference would
have the appearance of being out of step with U.S. policy. He stressed that
the Department of State is at liberty to seek further interpretation of that
policy to meet situations of particular interest to State.
B, discussed measures to ensure that
Community agencies can determine if persons under their security cognizance
have had their clearances/access approvals revoked or denied by another
agency.
C. reported on a new product briefing available to members
concerning an image and document storage system which appears to have some
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random basis for polygraph examination covering counterintelligence issues.
He noted that an initial orientation on this was provided DIA personnel on 30
April. Comments and reactions there displayed ignorance of the polygraph.
0. asked what had happened to the draft letter for the DCI to
send DIRNSA on the Countermeasures ppCIvr+asrholdingPal, boand to th itemsefordraft
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H. aid he is very pleased that the Secretary of the Navy and
other senior o c als in his department have recently stated their public
support for good security.
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Christopher Boyce's testimony before the Senate on personnel security. Those
wishing to borrow this should contact him.
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J, reported that the Intelligence Research and Development
Forum is recommending support
Council formed a Technical Advisory Forum. The
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ITEM 3 Next Meeting
The Chairman scheduled the next regular meeting for 10:00 a.m.,
Wednesday, 29 May 1985, in room 7D32, CIA
Attachments:
A. DIA memo, New Product Briefing
B. Corrected page April Minutes
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