REPORT BY (Sanitized) ON MEETING OF(Sanitized) AND (Sanitized) WITH MESSRS. STANS, STAATS AND MACY OF THE BUREAU OF THE BUDGET

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• Publication Date: December 15, 1959
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SUBJECT: Report by J. Patrick Coyne on Meeting of Gen. Hull
and Mr. Coyne with Messrs. Stans, Staats and Macy
of the Bureau of the Budget
1. Mr. Coyne reported to the DCI and the undersigned on his
lengthy discussions with Messrs. Macy and Ecker regarding the Bureau
of the Budget's desire to do a survey of the intelligence community start-
ing with the NSCIDs, DCIDs, the USIB and its subcommittees, examining
the over-all picture of coordination. His report is almost identical to
that of Col. White in his 7 December memorandum of his meeting with
Bureau of the Budget representatives.
2. Mr. Coyne said that as a follow-up to this he and Gen. Hull
met with Mr. Stans at 1000 on 14 December. Stans said he had told the
President that he had 10 or 12 surveys in mind and the President told him
to go ahead. Stans then related what he had in mind as far as the com-
munications and the intelligence studies were concerned and, according
to Coyne, Stans' view was not as broad or comprehensive as that which
had been earlier proposed by Macy. Stans told Gen. Hull that since the
intelligence community spent nearly Ihe felt 25X1
that a broad look at coordination was required. en. Hull sai at while
he did not wish to be obstructive in this matter, he thought Mr. Stans
should realize that this was precisely the area the President's Board had
been covering in the last three years. Gen. Hull then used the annex of
the report to the President to give Mr. Stans a general indication of the
types of recommendations the Board had made. Mr. Stans then asked if
the Bureau of the Budget could see the semiannual reports to the Board or
the Board's reports to the President and the replies to these reports.
Gen. Hull said he considered these to be privileged documents and suggested
that Mr. Stans address this request to the President, but that, on the
other hand, Mr. Coyne would be very glad to discuss these matters with
Bureau of the Budget representatives, and that he would be happy to pro-
vide them any assistance that he could.
Addenda. At 1000 on 15 December Mr. Coyne called to say that
Mr. Ecker of the Bureau of the Budget had already called him to ask to
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see the semiannual reports. Coyne said he had advised Ecker that it was
not his understanding that these reports were to be made available to
the Bureau of the Budget. He said he did not want to seem obstructive,
but he thought it had been made clear in the previous day's meeting that
these were considered to be privileged documents. He said he would be
glad to discuss with Ecker specific subjects but he could not make Board
documents available. Coyne said he had telephoned Gen. Hull in New
York and reconfirmed this position.
man B. Kir pa rick
Inspector General
cc: DCI /
DDCI
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Membership and Briefings
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ulcer Participants in
Joint SGrou
Members:
:" . Lyian B. Kirkpatrick, Chairn.n, CIA, 231 Admin.,
2r. Allan Evans - State, 6535 New State Extension, 182-x-2133
Gen. Graves B. Erskine - Defense, 3E114 Pentagon, ll-x-53333
Mr. Robert Macy - Bureau of the Budget, I322 Executive Office Bldg.,
113-x-2095
Mr. James Lay - National Security Council, 300 Executive Office
Bldg., 113-x-2203
Observers:
Myr. Patrick Coyne - President's Board of Consultants on Foreign
Intelligence Activities, 297 Executive Office Bldg., 113-x-2258
Staff Assistants:
Yw. William McAfee - State, 7327 New State Extension, 182-x-5795
Mr. Thomas W. Davis, Jr. - State, 7824A New State Extension, 182-x-5036
Dr. John Gigrich - Defense, 3E1088 Pentagon, ll-x-7+317
Mt. William A. Sni.th - Defense, 3E1088 Pentagon, II-x-71i317
Mr. Frank Ecker - Bureau oil the Budget, 192'Executive Office Bldg.,
U3-x-2131
Mr. Ben Ellington - Bureau of the Budget, .92 Executive Office Bldg.,
113-x-2131
Mr. A. Russel Aah - National Security Council, 386 Executive Office
13ldg., 113-x-2260
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he fglloving is a lint of ors, staff assistants, s+vcrc taries
and one security officer =king the Joint Star 0r0W &uQpe ..A 'T'rig.
Mr. art S. Kirkpatrick, Chsir*t, CIA
Mr. Allan lvww - Stag
Gen. Graves B. Erskine - Defense
Mr. Robert Macy - Bureau of the met
Mr. Jams Tray - National Security Council
Mr. Patrick Co ne - Prei4ent's Board of Consul is on di r. InteUi.-
Some Activitiere
Dr. John rich - Dafffi3m
Ir. '1#et. A. with - Defense
Sir. frank Eckr r - Bureau of the DW&vt
Securi Officer:
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Navy
Air
CIA
AEC
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Navy
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Monday, 18 July, 2-4 p.m.. Room 231 Admin.
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PROVISIONAL SCHEDULE OF BACIMROUND BRIEFINGS
FOR JOINT STUDY GROUP
13 July 1960
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Topic.. "Joint Staff Responsibilities and Internal Structure
for Intelligence"
(To be arranged)
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Topic. .."CIA Internal Structure"
(Mr. Kirkpatrick and Mr. Amory)
To be f . flowed by questions and discussi-.;n on relit. on
ships of DCI, CIA and USID to Intelligence Coimrdiwn.;_ ty
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Tuesday, 19 July, 2-4 p.m., Room 231 Admin.
Topic..."DOD-OSD Responsibilities for Intelligence, including
Relationships of OSD to other DOD Intelligence Offices"
(Gen. Lansdale, Capt. Spore, and Mr. Nbnroe)
Wednesday, 20 July, 2?-4 p.m., Room 2C1468 Pentagon
Topic..."Army Responsibilities and Internal Structure for
Intelligence"
(Maj. Gen. Fitch and others)
Thursday, 21 July, 2-4 p.m., Room 4D629 Pentagon
Topic..."Navy Responsibilities and Internal Structure for
Intelligence"
(Adm. F'r?ankel, Capt. Sugarman, Capt. Taylor, Cmdr. . Lacy)
Friday, 22 July, 10:30--12:30 p.m., Room 4B86'7 Pentagon
Topic..."Air Force Responsibilities and Internal Structure for
Intelligence"
(Col. Chase and others)
Monday, 25 July 2_4. p.m., (Room to be arranged)
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Tuesday, 26 July, 10 a.m. Ai. p.m., Fort Meade
Topic..."NSA Responsibilities and Internal Structure for
Intelligence . and Organization of the National COMINT/
ELINT Effort"
(Tb be arranged)
Wednesday, 27 July 2-4 p.m., (Room to be arranged)
Topic..."Toe Service Cryptologic Agencies"
(To be arranged)
Thursday, 23 July, 2-4+ p.m., 6527 New State Extension
Topic..."State Department Intelligence Responsibilities and
Structure"
(Mr. Evans, Mr. Getewood, and Mr. Oakley)
Friday., 29 July, 10:30-12:30 p.m., Room 231 Admin.
Topic..."The AEC and the Support of Atomic Energy Intelligence"
(Dr. Reichardt and Dr. Scoville)
Topic..."The FBI's Participation in US Foreign- Intelligence
Activities"
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ote:' Problems a (1,) & (2) and b (1) are closely inter-related and represent
the two sides of the over-all problem of developing better requirements
guidance for collectors, and improving the responsiveness of collectors to
such guidance. Briefings on these are thtirefore programmed as a conceptual
unit; and it is expected that spea,sers describing requirements-development
prodedures will indicate how adequately these support collection response,
and vice versa.
a 1 An"a" : "Inter-departmental, departmental, agency and militaa
service procedures forhandlng of intelligence requirements snd
related guidance tocollectors -- vith_p4~rticular attention to:
!;l) Procedures for keeping down the volume of, and avoidipg
r unprofitable duplication in sucha,idance, and the feasibility
of establishing a central registz of outstanding intelligence
requirements and of collection responses thereto.
BRIEFS
First Session -- Thesday,( August 9th) 1:45 to 4:15 P.M., 231 Admin.
general description of how requirements are generated by indi-
vidual analysts or committees,, processed (screened and coordinated),
and served on the collection mechanism as standing ("guide") or
gap-filling ("ad-hoe") requirements. Outline ci' problems involved
in (a) keeping down volume of and undesirable duplication in re-
quirements, and (b) selecting which collectors are asked to service
particular requirements]
Introduction and Overview of Present
Arrangements and Problems ................. Paul Borel, CIA, 30 rain.
Present-status briefings on principal departmental requirements programs,
procedures, and problems:
Army Program ......................... 30 min. (Army)
Navy Program ......................... 30 grin. (Navy)
* Speakers listed are subject to final confirmation, or change.
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Air Force Program..........., ..
Progress of JCS Study for Sec,,Def....
30 min. (Air)
30 min. (s/S)
Second Session -- Wednesday,/August 10th, 1:45 to 4:30 P.M., 231 Admin.
Present-status briefings, coot' d: Djq/j,L
State Dept. & For. Serer. Rejuirements R F~~
Atomic Energy Red ...................
Missiles Req ........................
Other Scientific and
Technical Rey,...... . , j ........ . .
Econc is nte1. Rev..... ..........
Procedures and Problems ................ Er.4 Ley and others, 6o min.
C::A/Cou munity Intelligence Requirements :
Basic Intel. Req ................. 15 15 min.
Current Intel. Re .................. Huntington Sheldon, 15 min.
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'hursday,( August 11t,
11 August 1960