APEX STEERING GROUP MEETING, 3 FEBRUARY 1981

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• Document Creation Date: December 15, 2016
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• Publication Date: February 5, 1981
• Content Type: MF

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5 February 1981
MEMORANDUM FOR: SA to the DCI for Compartmentation
FROM:
Deputy Chief, APEX Control Staff
SUBJECT: APEX Steering Group Meeting, 3 February 1981
1. The 52nd meeting of the APEX Steering. Group met on 3 February 1981.
The following attended:
ACS
OSD
Army
SIGINT
FBI
DIA
USAF
CIA
COMIREX
CIA
Navy
CCX',,IREX
Maynard Anderson
Merrill T. Kelly
David a3 or
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State
ACS
Army
State
ACS
ACS
Donald Stigers
William Poage
William Deary
2. pened the meeting by discussing the memorandums re-
ceived thus far on the positive aspects of APEX. He stated that his intent
is to achieve a common understanding of what the "good parts" of APEX are
and commented that the papers received have not been uniform either from the
standpoint of completeness or in terms of their points of view. He said he
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is concerned that APEX has been buried prematurely without cancellation of
the Presidential Directive, but he is even more concerned that the "good
things" will be lost as a result of the Steering Group's inability to reach
a common understanding. He commented that the members will understand this
comment better when they read the copies of the memorandums received thus
far, which were handed out at the meeting. The Chairman also announced that
there will be no meeting of the Steering Group on 10 February and that the
next meeting will be held on Wednesday, 18 February. It was then announced
that a letter to the Information Security Oversight Office (ISOO) regarding
the estimated costs of portion marking SCI material produced in contrar-m-
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facilities is being drafted by
3. reported that the SIGINT Committee is reviewing both the
.CONINT and the TECHNICAL manuals again with the intent of issuing them as
stand-alone documents,. independent of APEX, reported that he 25X
has provided a rewrite of the imagery decompartmentation paper to COMIREX
and DIA as the major participants in this matter. After problems have been
worked out between the two, to the extent possible, he hopes to have clean
copies of the issue paper ready by the next Steering Group meeting.
I Icommented that uis probably too optimistic
because t ere appear to be some runciamental differences of opinion between
CONIREX and DIA. responded that .he does not expect to have
the issue resolved but merely wants to ensure that each side's position has
been made clear. commented that it would be unfortunate to
have the issue go before NFIB again without being clearly defined. In
response tol uestion, stated that the issue at 25X
hand is that of ecompartmentation, and the decontrol issue is awaiting
clarification of. General Tighe's position. tix
4, hen began to review with the Steering Group their
positions on the various matters contained in the attached table, entitled
"The Good Aspects of APEX." I has annotated the table with an
'x' indicating support, an "0" indicating opposition, and a dash indicating
either no comment or no position. During the course of the review, several
members commented that the abbreviated descriptions are so brief that the
members ma not be in full agreement on what they are supporting or opposing.
I I acknowledged this deficiency, but pointed out that he wanted
to get, at this meeting, as good an idea as possible of where the APEX
Steering Group is heading, that is, whether there is enough commonality of
views to proceed further. The individual items on the table will be further
defined on the basis of this discussion. The Chairman, CO1IIREX, abstained
from voting on the issues matrix based upon two points:
- there is no common understanding in the APEX Steering
Group of the issues;
- to the extent that the CQMIREX has discussed these issues,
its collective understanding of the issues differ from
most views of the ASG members.
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inclined to give-up any of the-responsibilities the DCI now has. He advised
Imo-. Casey that he should be briefed on the compartmented collection systems
by the pro am managers before reaching any conclusions regarding :these
ressed the opinion that it is unlikely Mr. Casey will be
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advised W. Casey o 1 a t i n on un i e is muc more
familiar with the situation and until he has consulted with the new Deputy
Secretary of Defense and the new Deputy Director of Central Intelligence.
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sl access prograr's and the security surrounding them, but appears
+~e ~,mtartinn of inte11 i pence sntirrPS nnCl mPthnrlc ?nnd hi c
Aa- y, the new DCI. Mr. Casey did not seem very familiar
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6. The meeting adjourned at 11:33 a.m.
Attachment as stated
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SUBJECT: APEX Steering Group Meeting, 13 January 1981
SA/DCI/C:
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Distribution:
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1 SA/DCI/C Chrono
1 William P. Deary, INR/State
1 Richard Welch, Navy
1 Mavnard. Anderson. OSD
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1 Merrill T. Kelly, ACSI
1 Col. Robert A. Shiver, USAF
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Uniform physical security rules
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Uniform personnel security rules
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Administrative access
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Congressional and contractor access policy
X
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SIO authorityto'accredit facilities :- -
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Separate sources and. methods from PRODUCT
X
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Develop operational subcompartments
X
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Commumity adherence to- unproved classification
X
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?. - ' mansgement and review of special programs
Continue DoD procedures: for SCI document control'
X
Reduce. volume of T.S. material
X
X
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X
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Development of 4C System
X
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X
X
X
X
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Expand dec .1 art mentation of BINGERY
X
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- Expand decompart mentation' of FLINT'
X
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Facilitate increase sanitization of COMINT
X
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Decentralize. control of foreign releases
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of SCI material -
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Phased approach of implementation to include
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-Revision.of E.O. 12065
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RetaLZ ASG or a comparable oversight group
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IiE7Ec0EEETT
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I T?,rc red .dA for gover-.ment and contractors `
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