TWO HUNDRED AND TWENTIETH MEETING WEDNESDAY, 11 APRIL 1979

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DIRECTOR OF CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE
Security Committee
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17 APR 1979
Minutes
Two Hundred and Twentieth Meeting
Wednesday, 11 April 1979, 1000-1200 Hours
Room 7E62, Langley Headquarters Building
Robert W. Gambino
Chairman
Presiding
MEMBERS PRESENT
Defense Intelligence Agency
Merrill T. Kelly, Department of Army
National Security Agency
r. Dennis out ern, Department of the Treasury
Mr. D. Jerry Rubino, Department of Justice
Mr. David Ryan, Federal Bureau of Investigation
Mr. George Weisz, Department of Energy
i Mr. R. L. Welch Department of the Navy
Central Intelligence Agency
ALTERNATES PRESENT
Mr. Charles R. Torpy, Department of the Air Force
ALSO PRESENT
Michael N. Cassetta, Department of Commerce
Defense Intelligence Agency
apartment of Justice
National Security Agency
Office Secretary of Treasury
National Security Agency
r. Donald Stigers, Department of State
Mr. James M. Mastrovito, Department of Treasury
Mr. Roger D. Smith, Department of the Air Force
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PRELIMINARY REMARKS
1. The Chairman opened the meeting by introducing
Mr. George Weisz, the DOE Princip.l, and Mr. Cyril Frank, the
DEA Observer. Mr. Gambino noted that the Department of Commerce
was now represented by Mr. William Randolph as an observer, and
he welcomed Mr. Robert Merchant as a guest. (U)
2. The Chairman advised members of the preparation and
distribution of secretary's notes to cover informational items.-
He invited members to advise the staff of what they wanted
included in these notes. He asked members to let the staff
know of any matters so included which needed to be discussed
at a committee meeting. (U)
3. The Chairman noted Committee efforts to establish a
central index of SCI denials in the interests of better security
and of economy of investigation. He recalled that the question
of maintaining such an index had been taken up by CIA after
Justice had raised questions about the FBI providing this as
a service of common concern. Mr. Gambino said that legal staff
had raised potential problems about such an index e.g., the
applicability of section 2-208 of E.O. 12036; its value if a
file has been destroyed. He asked for members' comments on
whether we should set this proposal aside. Several. said they
believed such an index would serve a useful purpose, and said
they thought it could be structured in such a way as to satisfy
many of the objections., Since the consensus favored further
pursuit of this objective, Mr. Gambino advised that the Staff
would pursue it as an on-going project. (FOUO).
4. The Chairman advised members that he had recently
sent the DCI a memorandum seeking a decision on differences
with legal staff on how SCI appeals should be handled and
adjudicated (a copy of the draft procedures was distributed
at the meeting). (FOUO)
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5. The Chairman referred to a 27 February 1979 memo-
randum from the Executive Secretary forwarding a recommended
change to Physical Security Standards for' Window Bars.. He
noted that because of a late objection this was being remanded
to the RFD Subcommittee for review and reort. (FOUO)-
6. The Chairman invited members' attention to, and
complemented the Department of State for, a publication titled
"Survey of Hostile Intelligence Developmental Operations and
Recruitment Attempts, 1970-77." He said he thought this would
be a useful addition to the bibliography maintained by the
Security Awareness Working Group. (FOliO)
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SPECIAL DISCUSSION ON LEAKS
The Chairman advised that he had recently sent the DCI
a memorandum (copies distributed. at the meeting) responsive
to the latter's request for analysis of recent leaks to
identify whether there were any patterns. At the DCI's
direction, copies were being sent to his deputies for their
review and suggestions on the leak problem. (FOUO)
The Chairman summarized a 1978 Department of Justice
memorandum given an interpretation of E.O. 12036 concerning
reporting on leaks. (Copy provided members). Mr. Gambino
said the bottom line of this was that Community Agencies are
required to recommend to the Attorney General for FBI investi-
gation all cases involving "serious or continuing breaches of
security." (U)
The Chairman advised that Staff research on leaks showed
that data holdings differed between CIA, NSA and DIA. He
emphasized the importance of this subject and the need for
all agencies to improve their handling of leak cases. He
invited attention to proposals on leaks that.
had been sent to mem ers recent y and asked for comments and
responses. (FOUO)
Several members suggested and all agreed that the present
working group dealing with leaks should be elevated to
standing subcommittee status. A suggestion was made that
this body should develop a uniform form which all agencies
would use to identify leaks and their consequences and to
request FBI investigation. There was general agreement that
positive responses to investigative requests would likely
be facilitated if requests were signed by a senior official
(e.g., DCI) and were specific in identifying particulars. (FOUO)
In discussion of who should provide the Chairman for the
subcommittee, said that he had discussed this with
Admiral Inman an t at the latter offered to provide an NSA
official to serve in this capacity and that he (Inman) would
insure that this body took timely action on all leaks brought
to its attention. Members supported this arrangement and the
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leaks. Mr. Gambino said he had been asked to try to identify
some leak scenarios which could be publicized to try to tell
the public why we are so concerned. (U)
Chairman accepted the offer with thanks. said
NSA was ready to move quickly on this and that Mr.
of their General Counsel Staff was their nominee or
chairman. Mr. Gambino advised that the committee staff
would follow through on this. (FOUO)
The Chairman noted that ABC television had contacted
the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Public Affairs asking
for information for use in a special they are preparing on
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ITEM 1: Approval of Minutes
The Chairman advised of one correction to the minutes
of the 24 January meeting to show Mr. Weisz as the DOE
principal on the Committee. There being no other changes,
he said the minutes were approved as corrected. Mr. Gambino
noted the summary of the Committee conference had been
distributed, and asked members who had any substantive
changes to provide them to the Staff. (U)
ITEM 2: Reports of Subcommittee and Working Grou Chairmen
(a) TSCS - advised of a change in the emphasis
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functi i e object was to involve =more in
research and development matters and in policy guidance on
telephone security, in addition to continuing their present
function of testing telephone equipment. drew
members' attention to the need to ensure a equa e unding
for the
quality of ti eirservices was likely to suffer as-aL-result. (C)
(b) R&D - reported that there had been a
seminar on 4 Apri on research and development matters
with emphasis on the polygraph. He advised that their document
protection working group would complete their report and
mmendations soon, for presentation to the Committee. Mr.
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the US, expressed his concern about the availability
of easi y usa le emergency destruction equipment. It was
noted that the Navy was pursuing RFD in that area, and the
Chairman agreed to arrange for Navy to brief the Committee
on this subject. (S/NNIP;TEL)
(c) Computer Security - reported that
they favored and were developing a propose change to DCID
1/11 to bring computers used for communications under their
jurisdiction. He said this move might lead to computers
being categorized according to their use rather than their
design and capabilities. (FOLIO)
(d) Compartmentation - reporting for
Colonel Kamm, advised that th mp eted their review
of DCID 1/7 and had forwarded a draft revision to the Committee
staff. He described major elements of their proposed changes,
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advised that the subcommittee was continuing work
n zero- ased review of SCI accesses and on the a end'
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(f) Security Awareness distributed copies
of draft "minimum standards for curl y awareness programs
in the US Intelligence Community," and asked for members'
comments/concurrences by 1 May 1979. He advised that this
was being proposed for inclusion in the draft APEX manual,
.and that alternative means of promulgating it ' an
appendix to DCID 1/14 or a separate DCID, reported
that the proposed security orientation program tor senior
officials was almost completed, and that his working group
was actively pursuing tasking to develop an orientation pro-
gram for personnel without backgrounds in national security.
Mr. Gambino expressed his appreci the quality and
quantity of work being done by and his group. (FOLIO)
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(g) Investigative Standards - No report. (U)
(h) Security Advisory Group USSR - No report. Mr.
Gambino advised that a senior staff member of the National
Security Council was seeking to schedule SCC discussion of
the security of US facilities in Moscow. (S)
ITEM 4: Classification Criteria for SCI
DIA, noted differences between his
agen in erpretation of what constituted Foreign
Government Information (FGI) with respect to signals intelli-
gence information. Fie advised that DIA had put out guidance
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within Defense stating that intelligence information would
remain classified for a maximum of 20 years subject to re-
view unless it specifically met the definition in E.O. 12065
for FGI. He noted that the NSA interpretation seemed to
bring all SIGINT within the purview of FGI, and he questioned
whether that was in full com lian e with: the spirit of the
Order and DCI guidance. NSA, said that a decision
had been made during coordination of the'Order prior to
signature that all SIGINT would be treated as FGI because
t at he had been instructed not to yie on this point
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Gambino noted that further staffing was required to attempt
to resolve these differing interpretations. He agreed to
suggestion that the Committee staff consult
with e legal counsels and policy officials involved to
try to resolve tha.s matter. (C)
ITEM 5: New Business
(a) The Chairman invited attention to the listing of
priority items for 1979 Committee action (distributed to
members at the meeting). He asked for any comments not
later than 25 April 1979, and said he would assume approval
in the absence of comments. (U)
(b) The Chairman noted that the Co of had
time at its March conference to discuss memo-
randum seeking members views on the des c ro e o the
Committee staff. (Copies of the memorandum, SECOM-D-463,
dated 12 March 1979, subject: Mission and Functional Guidance,
were distributed to members at the meeting). Mr. Gambino
asked members who wished to do so to provide their comments
later. (U)
(c) proposed that the Committee establish
minimum investigation under DCID 1/14. By
consensus this was referred to the Investigative Standards
Working Group for study and report back to the Committee. (FOUO)
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(d) Mr. Gambino asked if members wanted to shift
Committee meetings to the afternoon to allow more time
for discussion. The consensus of comments was that the
present arrangement of morning meetingslof about two hours
satisfied needs without unduly burdening members' schedules. (U)
ITEM 6: Next Meeting
The Chairman scheduled the next meeting for 9 May 1979,
to be held at CIA Headquarters. He noted that the FBI
might be able by then to present a briefing on how the
Freedom of Information Act can be manipulated to obtain
information that is sensitive in the aggregate. Mr. Ryan
said they could present such in a half hour or less, but
suggested we consider having the Army present a parallel
briefing of about the same duration on how the FOIA can be
used to obtain sensitive military data. Mr. Ryan agreed to
suggestion that their briefing be to an audience
broader than the Committee, to include persons such as those
CIA staff members who process FOIA requests. The Committee
agreed that such a briefing should be arranged on an individual
basis, and not just be part of a Committee meeting..
said Admiral Inman would the Committee to.meet
in the near future, solicited requests on NSA
activities members wou 1 e to see or learn about during
such a meeting. (FOUO).
:xecutive Secretary
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