INTELLIGENCE IDENTITIES PROTECTION ACT OF 1981

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S 2118 Approved For Release 2008/09/25: CIA-RDP85-00003R000200060010-9 - CONGRESSIONAL RECORD - SENATE March 16, 198,2 ited States Code, appoints the historical antecedents and the full sin- Coast Guar HOLLINGS) as members of the Board of Visitors. dispute it. In taking this position, I rely in part on the majority opinion in Haig against Agee, which was decided by the Supreme Court on June 29 of last year. In commenting on the activities of Philip Agee-activities which also would be banned by the bill presently under consideration, Agee having had authorized access-the Court said: Agee's disclosures, among other things, have the declared purpose of obstructing in- telligence operations and the recruiting of intelligence personnel. They are clearly not protected by the Constitution. The mere fact that Agee is also engaged in criticism of the Government does not render his con- duct beyond the reach of law. INTELLIGENCE IDENTITIES PROTECTION ACT OF 1981 The Senate continued with the con- sideration of S. 391.- Mr. MOYNIHAN. Mr. President, I the Intelligence 391 rise to support S , . Identities Protection Act of 1981, as Nevertheless, the process of striking ted b the Committee on the Ju- a balance between the Government's In reporting the Intelligence Reform Act 2 years ago, the Select Committee on Intelligence explained its legislative purpose. The report stated: It is the purpose of the committee ' ? ? to preclude the inference and exclude the pos- sibility that casual discussion, political debate, the journalistic pursuit of a story on intelligence or the disclosure of illegality or impropriety in Government will be chilled by the enactment of the bill. I grant that it is one thing for a com- mittee to say this and another thing to insure that it will be the case. But it is in any event within our power to do more than to say we have no intent to chill, we have no intent in any way to inhibit the legitimate activities of the press and the necessary and tradition- al purposes of political debate. And the committee went on to state: repor y diciary. legitimate need to protect its intelli- The standard adopted ? ? ? applies crimi- On, January 24, 1980, I introduced gence activities and the right of the nal penalties only in very limited circum- the Intelligence Reform Act of 1980, press to report what it is able to learn stances deter those who make it their one of whose sections was similar to of the workings of Government has business fer. t At out the ansame d nd publish time it the does he en- the Intelligence Identities Protection been a long and difficult one. tities of agents. to affect the first amendment rights of not Act we are considering today. I believe that the Judiciary Commit- who disclose the identities of agents as an At that time, I explained the pur- tee has struck a proper balance, surely integral part of another enterprise such as pose of the relevant section as follows: the best balance available to us, and news media reporting of intelligence failures ? In order to provide greater security for that its version of the bill should be or abuses, academic studies of U.B. Govern. those who undertake intelligence work, our accepted by the Senate. ment policies and programs, or a private or- proposal will make criminally liable any in- As reported by the committee, S. 391 ganization's enforcement of its internal dividual who discloses the name of an intel- would impose a criminal penalty on rules. ligence operative, if he has learned the persons who disclose a covert agent's The specific intent standard adopted name as a result of his authorized access to identity in the "course of an effort to by the Judiciary Committee consti- such information, or if he discloses it with nts with the intent of impairing or impeding the for. identify and expose covert age tutes in my judgment, constituted eign intelligence activities of the United intent to impair or impede the foreign then and constitutes now, a more accu- States. intelligence activities of the United rate statutory expression of the Intel- At the time the Intelligence Reform States by the fact of such identifica- ligence Committee's objectives. In ad- Act was introduced, the cosponsors tion and exposure." dition, it is acceptable to the adminis- and I recognized that the part of the An amendment offered by my distin- tration. This surely must be a matter bill which dealt with disclosures by guished colleague and friend, the Sen- that carries weight in this Chamber, outsiders-which is to say, by those ator from Rhode Island, would strike as we are engaged in an effort to sup- who had not had authorized access to the specific intent element and substi- port the objectives of this administra- the identifying Information-posed a tute what in the judgment of the Sen- tion as we were the objectives of the substantial constitutional problem. ator from New York is the less strin- preceding one. The bill had to be drafted so as to be gent requirement of proof of reason to, In this regard, in April 1981, the Di- respectful of the freedom of the press believe that the conduct would cause rector of Central Intelligence, the enshrined in the first amendment, harm to U.S. Intelligence activities. Honorable William J. Casey, wrote to and, at the same time, to be usable Here, Mr. President, I believe we the House Permanent Select Commit- against those who, in effect, had set speak from a large and ancient corpus tee on Intelligence that the Central up private counterintelligence oper- of common law, statutory law, and Intelligence Agency "would support ations for the, purpose of identifying case law that reason to believe re- enactment" of either version. Now I and exposing U.S. intelligence opera- quires a lesser standard of proof than would hope o would be version. to in tives, and clearly thereby impairing or intent, this would hope it has Direc- impeding the foreign intelligence ac- It is the general case, as I under- tor of CCentral hamber r In that the present to in tivities of the United States. stand, and I do not speak here as a t that ether version is accept- Committee the past 2 years, the Select legal scholar, that in matters of large in n writing w t tthat either either sionli be ept- Committee on Intelligence, on which I consequence intent is the characteris- able, , t It either then our responsibility sup- now serve as vice chairman, and the tic standard against which proof must ported. better of the two. Committee on the Judiciary have be offered by the State in criminal choose In May the , before the of t the t Subcommit- sents with this problem, which pre- trials. tee on Security and Terrorism of the sents ambiguities and difficulties to all The amendment offered by the Sen- Senate Committee on the Judiciary, of us in this Chamber. ator from Rhode Island also contains a Some have tried to argue that this course of conduct requirement, called Richard Willard, then counsel to the problem is insoluble and that Congress a "pattern of activities", which is es- Attorney General for intelligence has no choice but to allow persons sentially the same as a "course of policy, testified woud support that the either Department t such as the publishers of the Covert effort". p Justice "would be a great Action Information Bulletin to contin- The purposes sought by the several and of rd that that both over the present rent im- ue itheir private intelligence operations versions over the past several years and both would be held constitutional against the United States and to con- have remained the same. Each succes- and would o enforceable." tinue their practice, as they put it, of sive change has represented an at- "naming names," for the explicit pur- tempt to be more precise in codifying I emphasize that latter point. The pose of impeding our intelligence capa- these purposes in the most satisfac- Department of Justice, the counsel to bilities. tory legal language given the constitu- the Attorney General for Intelligence I rec_ongnize the weight of this argu- tional dilemma which I described at policy, says both would be a great im- ment and certainly acknowledge its the outset of these remarks. provement over the present situation, Approved For Release 2008/09/25: CIA-RDP85-00003R000200060010-9 Approved For Release 2008/09/25: CIA-RDP85-00003R000200060010-9 S 2120 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD - SENATE March 16, 1982 province of press freedom. It would, Mr. President, encroach on the prov- ince of press freedom. It would permit a prosecutor to seek an indictment and a jury to convict on the basis of proof that damage to intelligence operations was the reasonably foreseeable conse- quence of the journalist's disclosure of names, when, indeed, it was a foresee- able consequence of the journalist's action, but not his intent. The proponents of the amendment before us state that the reason-to-be- lieve standard establishes an objective standards which, in effect, would permit the prosecutor and the jury to make a judgment of what damage a defendant reasonably foresaw in the light of what they, the prosecutor and jury, think most reasonable men would foresee in the same circum- stances. In other words, it could poten- tially allow conviction even if the jury found that the defendant's bona fide conscious purpose was not to harm in- telligence activities but to expose wrongdoing or to report on other im- portant issues. I put this matter again: Under the reason-to-believe standard a jury could find that a defendant's bona fide con- scious purpose was not to harm intelli- gence activities but rather to expose wrongdoing. or achieve other legiti- mate purposes, and yet still, his ac- tions having had the probable conse- quence in the jury's judgment of im- pairing or impeding, it could find such a person guilty. This would profoundly subvert the purposes of our legislation. I understand the desire of the propo- nents that the reason-to-believe test would facilitate prosecution of those who engage in the business of naming the names of our Nation's covert agents. There are not that many. They liter- ally could be counted on the fingers of one hand. This is not a large industry in the United States. It might be in the Kremlin; I am sure it is. But we recognize we deal with only a very few cases, and I would hope we would deal with even fewer as the Nation comes to its senses in these matters. Even so, this vague standard would vest far too much discretion in the hands of prosecutors which would un- dermine the stated objective of the statute which is that it not be used to chill legitimate journalism. The word "chill" is in itself an inex- act term, and yet it refers to a real phenomenon, the prospect of embroil- ment with the Government, and of being faced with charges which cannot but cause concern to anyone against whom they are brought, no matter what the outcome of the action. There can be such events. There are. In some cases we have statutes intend- ed to chill certain behavior because we wish to do that. We do not wish that here. We are dealing with constitu- tional rights, and we are dealing with an American interest in a free and in- quiring and, if need be, cantankerous .press. Consider for a moment how a pros- ecutor might employ the reason-to-be- lieve standard. In his October 6, 1981, testimony before the Subcommittee on Security and Terrorism of the Judi- ciary Committee, the Counsel to the Attorney General for Intelligence Policy, Mr. Willard, explained the ad- ministration's preference for the standard. The problem, Mr. Willard said, is that: Senator Biden's (specific intent) approach would invite evasion of the will because people . like [the publisher of Covert Action Information Bulletin] and others would say, "Well, my intent was to help in- telligence activities by disclosing unsavory activities," and that would give them a de- fense that they would seek to use. That is why we felt the objective reason to believe standard which Senator Chafee introduced to be better. Listen to that. The implication of this analysis must be disconcerting to this body. The arm of Government, the Department of Justice, which will enforce this law seems to be saying that it wishes to minimize the possibil- ity of a successful defense based on a claim that the person was intending to inform the public of wrongdoing or abuse by intelligence agencies. Can we go over this once more? Mr. Willard, counsel to the Attorney Gen- eral, said, If we have this intent stand- ard, anyone we bring into court can simply say, "My intentions were credi- ble," and this could prove a successful defense. That very proposition reversed says that the Justice Department would wish to minimize the possibility of a successful defense based on a claim that the disclosure was intended to inform the public about wrongdoing or abuse by substituting the reason to be- lieve standard for the intent standard. Under the "preferred" standard, you might say, the prosecutors would seek, and the court might well issue, instructions to the jury that they could convict should they find that such ha8M was the reasonably foresee- able consequence of the defendant's conduct, even if the defendant did not intend that result. I have even had responsible editors in our country say to me, "In the name of all that is holy, can you not conceive a situation where indeed we would publish names of covert agents knowing that it would impair or impede intelligency activities in order to inform the public of conduct we judged to'be profoundly against the interests of the United States?" I am vaguely aware from the Sunday morning book reviews that the newest blockbuster novel out of Washington has to do with a former CIA man who is advised the President is going crazy, or is himself going crazy, or in any event someone is about to start a third world war. Suppose this case were noticed by the Associated Press. Would it not be wise and salutary for the Associated Press to so inform us? Alas, there are few things that can be imagined by novelists that do not happen in Wash ington, and fewer and fewer that can be imagined that have not, in fact, al- ready happened. It is disconcerting to have the Jus- tice Department suggest that it wanted a standard which would make convictions easier and would make convictions possible where intent to harm did not exist, but only a reason to foresee harm did exist. To be sure, this standard would make it easier to impose criminal pen- alties on the persons in the business of naming names, but it also places at greater risk of prosecution the legiti- mate journalist who discloses identi- ties of covert agents in order to expose wrongdoing, in order to do his duty as it would be understood in his profes- sion and as it is protected by the Con- stitution. Not for nothing was the First Amendment to the Constitution di- rected to this freedom for all of us. I also find disquieting the Justice Department's suggestion that the reason to believe standard constitutes a "negligence" standard. On May 8, 1981, Mr. Willard, speak- ing for the Department, wrote a letter to the House Intelligence Committee which stated that the reason to be- lieve language would permit prosecu- tion of a person who "can be shown either to have known of, or disregard- ed, the risk of harm, or to have been negligent in overlooking the evident consequences of his actions for U.S. foreign intelligence activities." When have we begun to consider it reasonable to send a journalist to prison because he or she was negli- gent? Negligent? What are the stand- ards for negligence? It is a vague term and it is usually employed with respect to misdemeanors and small matters. But in espionage matters, where the U.S. Government declares that a person has damaged the security of this country, should it be able to obtain a conviction on the grounds that he was negligent with respect to the spelling of names or the checking of dates or the handicraft of journal- ism? Espionage is not a matter to turn on negligence and neither is its near cousin with which we deal. To send someone to prison for having been negligent with regard to these matters would be an abuse of power by the Ex- ecutive and to make it possible would be a great failing in legislation by the Senate. With an interpretation so expansive as to include even negligence, it is no wonder the Attorney General prefers the reason to believe standard, and all the more reason for us to reject it. While it is admittedly unclear what specific meaning the proponents of the amendment would impart to the. reason to believe standard, I do not be- lieve they would agree with the De- - Approved For Release 2008/09/25: CIA-RDP85-00003R000200060010-9 Approved For Release 2008/09/25: CIA-RDP85-00003R000200060010-9 March 16, 198,2 CONGRESSIONAL. RECORD -- SENATE S 2121 partment of Justice. I note that, In least of all the sponsors of the amend- when he sat down with that reporter support of his amendment, the Sena- ment before us, to penalize or discour- to determine whether or not the New tor from Rhode Island, my good friend age the kind of news reporting that oc- York Times should have reason to be- a~d colleague on the Intelligence curred in the Wilson-Terpil case. But sieve that this would, in fact, impair or Committee, cited Gorin against United again, the Department of Justice impede the intelligence activities of States. That case held that reason to would give no. comfort to, a newsman the United States of America? believe, when used in the espionage who wishes to pursue that kind of Mr. MOYNIHAN. I think the editor statutes which prohibit the gathering story, if it involved, as it well might, of the New York Times would ask him and communicating of national de- current undercover employees of the himself whether that reporter was fense information with intent or Central Intelligence Agency. married and how many children he reason to believe that it Is-to be used During the hearing on May 8, 1981, had. to injure the United States or give 'ad before the Committee on Security and Mr. BIDEN. I think the Senator is vantage to a foreign nation, requires a Terrorism, Senator Bmzx-Senator probably right and I think that is showing of bad faith, or, in the lan- BIDEN, here on the floor, valiant and what we call in the business a chilling guage of lawyers, scienter, which is to indefatigable in these matters as effect. say guilty knowledge, a much higher always-asked Mr. Willard of the De- Mr. MOYNIHAN. I think that would standard than negligence. partment of Justice whether a jour- be a chilling factor. However, the 'Gorin case deals with nalist who engages for 3 years in a pat- statutes which are considered by lead- tern of activity intended to identify The Senator, has visited nuclear es- ing constitutional scholars to be inap- double agents or moles in the CIA, and tablishments where one may be ex- plicable to information gathering, writes articles naming such person or posed to some radiation. He is familiar public speech, and publication which persons, would have reason to believe with that little badge you get when is pursuant to a good faith purpose to that his activities would impair intelli. You go in and, as you go out, they criticize Government policy or to gence activities. He is informing the check that little badge and see if you inform the public. public that there is a spy in the CIA have had a dose of radiation above an Another espionage provision with a who is on the CIA payroll. acceptable level while you are in the reason to believe standard which was Suppose that, by some happy cir- plant. I can see, in newsrooms atAhhe cited by the distinguished Senator cumstance of diligence or good fortune end of the day, they will check wheth- from Rhode Island was held by the or overheard conversation, a newspa- er you might have committed a crime district court decision in the Pentagon perman learns of that spy and reports that day. And maybe they will say, papers case to be inapplicable to publi- it. Senator Bmzx asked, would that In. "We'll allow you a certain level of cation activities. This is in United dicate reason to believe that his activi- dosage over the year. You must not ac- States against New York Times Co. ties would impair intelligence perform- quire more than five probable crimes I repeat, Mr. President, the espio- ance, perhaps because it would give or you are risking causing the legal de- nage statutes which the courts have the agency a less-than-complete repu- partment too much expense." held to require only guilty knowledge tation for security? After-all, even the New York Times of the consequence of events have Mr. Willard equivocated. He equivo- can only afford to defend so many re- been held not applicable to publics- cated. Be did not say, "No, of course porters in a year. It costs money. The tions. In contrast to the espionage not." U.S. Government can destroy a news- laws, which focus on the clandestine He suggested, on the one hand, that paper by suing it, transfer of our Nation's secrets to for- exposing double agents might assist I say this to the Senator. The U.S. eign nations, the provisions of the bill American intelligence, but on the Government has endless resources in we are now considering would express- other hand, it is "hard to predict from the courtrooms. They are the U.S. ly criminalize the publication of infor- such a bare hypothesis exactly how Government's courtrooms, as a matter mation which may be drawn entirely the standard would be applied." But of fact. They can destroy a journal by from unclassified sources. We make it he acknowledged that there is at least suing it. possible for information drawn from a "question" whether a crime would Only a few newspapers in this coun- unclassified sources to be the cause of have been committed. But here we are, try can sustain the kinds of costs the criminal sanctions. Mr. President, already the Depart- New York Times incurred in New In addition, Mr. President, this in- ment of Justice is saying, "let us see, Jersey when a journalist refused to formation concerns not sensitive tech- is there a question here that a crime nical nical secrets or policy secrets, if there has been committed?" When, up until. show notes in a murder case-hun- are such, but the identities of persons the day of this testimony, I do not of thousands of d were in- are the instruments for carrying think. there was an American alive volved. Not many new spars spapers could out such policies. Their conduct and, who would have thought such an act afford that. And none can indefinitely. at times, their identities may be of im- might be a crime. First, you sue the newspaperman, portance to public debate. I submit May I ask, Mr. President, if, prior to then you sue the copy editor, then you that a reason to believe standard has May 8, 1981, anyone would have sue the city night editor, then you sue no place in such a law. Even if this thought for a moment that it was a the linotypers-just consider what a standard were interpreted to require crime for a journalist to report that government intent on impairing or im- scienter or guilty knowledge, as it there was a KGB agent in the employ peding the freedom of the press could were, or knowledge of probable of the National Security Agency? do with the standard Mr. Willard sug- damage to intelligence activities, it Why, you would say, in such matters gests. could still permit prosecution and con- Pulitzer prizes are won and the pub- Mr. President, I have talked long viction of a journalist who disclosed lic's thanks are deeply forthcoming. enough in this matter.. But I want to agent identities for the bona fide pur- Mr. BIDEN. Will the Senator yield conclude with a simple, final refer- pose of disclosing wrongdoing or dis- for a brief question? ence. cussing other issues of public impor- Mr. MOYNIHAN. I am happy to Mr. President, one of our colleagues, tance. I suggest to my colleagues that yield. I regret to say-because he knows of this standard could easily be turned Mr. BIDEN. If the Justice Depart- my high personal regard for him-has into an instrument of mischief or ment, Mr. Willard in particular, a man not shared my concerns. at all in this worse by a government which may schooled in the law, helping to write matter. The distinguished Senator Seek to suppress any news stories in the law in this case, was not sure from North Carolina expressed his which covert agents are identified, whether or not the reporter in that opinion as follows: however innocent or even laudatory hypothetical case would. in fact, be There is no national interest of greater the intentions. guilty of a crime, what does the Sena- importance than national security. What. 'Mr. President, I do not believe it is tor from New York think the editor of ever intrusion there asay be upon first ,the desire. of anybody in this body, the New York Times would have to do amendment rights here- Approved For Release 2008/09/25: CIA-RDP85-00003R000200060010-9 Approved For Release 2008/09/25: CIA-RDP85-00003R000200060010-9 S2122 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD - SENATE March 16, 1982 I interpolate now: as the result of the amendment before the Senate. They are modest and gentle and consist- ent with the overriding need to protect the great national security interests. Mr. President, in the hysteria of wartime, we have made mistakes in this Chamber, but we never pro- nounced them to be intrusions upon constitutional rights. In the hysteria of wartime, it may be that we have in, truded on constitutional rights, or in the hysteria of the cold war, it maybe that we have intruded on constitution- al rights. But we have never knowingly and avowedly done so. I Inquire: What is a gentle intrusion, a modest intrusion? I am reminded of Dr. Swift's modest proposal for resolving the difficulties of the then troubled state of Ireland, as we approach the "Patron's Day." It will be recalled that there was much famine in the land. There was much hunger. There was great dissat- isfaction and distress, as well as over- poWilation. Dean Swift, in a volume entitled "A Modest Proposal"-it was hardly more than a pamphlet-said, "Why not butcher the babies and eat them?" He suggested fricaseeing, baking, roasting, frying. He was not sufficiently ad- vanced to be aware of all the vitamins, nutrients, and proteins that could be gained thereby; but he thought that a modest amount of cannibalism would be conducive to the well-being of the people of Ireland. Are we to suggest that we will have only a modest intrusion into constitu- tional rights? I think not. Mr. President, I respectfully suggest that we cannot blithely dismiss this amendment as only a modest and gentle intrusion on the first amend- ment rights of the press. When the first amendment is threat- ened, so indeed is our national secu- rity. The late and beloved Judge Murray Gurfein reminded us of this in his 1971 decision denying the Government an order enjoining the publication of the Pentagon papers. I read from his decision: The security of the Nation is not at the ramparts alone. Security also lies in the value of our free institutions. A cantanker- ous press, an obstinate press, an ubiquitous press must be suffered by those in authority in order to preserve the even greater values of freedom of expression and the right of the people to know. I cannot suppose there could be any finer summation of this argument save perhaps the words of Thomas Jeffer- son, who wrote: The basis of our governments being the opinion of the people, the very first object should be to keep that right; and were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspa- pers without a government, I should not hesitate to prefer the latter. Thus, in the spirit of the courts and the spirit of Thomas Jefferson I plead with my colleagues not to accept the amendment before us but to abide by the wise counsel and decision of the Committee on the Judiciary. Mr. President, I thank the Chair for its great patience during this lengthy discourse. Mr. CHAFES: Mr. President, that was an extremely eloquent speech by the distinguished Senator from New York. It obviously incorporated con- siderable thought and conviction on the part of the Senator, who has de- voted many years to the areas he ad- dressed. As he mentioned, he is a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee. He is the vice chairman, and he has acted as chairman when the distinguished chairman Senator GOLDWATER, was having a hip oper- ation. The only problem I have with the presentation of the Senator from New York, particularly in his final quota- tions, is that a listener cannot help but conclude that there should be no legis- lation in this field. It is true that both versions are con- sidered unconstitutional and objec- tionable by those who profess to be principally concerned with the protec- tion of the press. For example, the New York Times, which the distinguished Senator men- tioned frequently, has consistently edi- torialized against both versions. They do say that, faced by the possibility of one or the other, they would prefer the committee versions. But this pref- erence is totally unenthusiastic. I read now from an article in the New York Times, in which the colum- nist, Mr. Stuart Taylor, Jr., wrote: More than 100 scholars signed a letter in the fall of 1980 denouncing the Chafee ver- sion of the bill as unconstitutional. He goes on to say, in discussing both bills: Both bills would permit prosecution of journalists and others ... The article concludes: "Because there is a steamroller to pass a bill, we are asking the Senators to pass the least damaging bill," Jerry Berman, legisla- tive counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union, said today. But he added that "we are prepared to challenge this bill in court," whether or not it includes the "intent" lan- guage. So, editorial after editorial in the press-and we have submitted them for the record-has little to say in favor of any legislation. In other words, the view of the press is that it is unfortunate these publications, such as the "Covert Action Information Bul- letin" are "naming names," but that is one of the prices of a free society. Maybe Richard Welch is murdered on assignment in Athens. Maybe the Kinsman home is shot up in Jamaica. Maybe the careers of agents or alleged agents of the CIA throughout the world are ruined. But that is life. We cannot help that in a free society, and we should not have any type of legisla- tion such as that proposed-subsection 601(c)-in both bills. since December 16, to speak, so I will be brief. The Senator from New York spoke . of both versions being acceptable to the CIA. That is true. However, Mr. Casey has made it very clear, in letters to this committee, to me, and to dar- ious Senators, that he believes that the best version is the so-called Chafee-Jackson version. This will best accomplish the job according to Mr. Casey. I refer to a letter to me dated March 12 of this year, from Mr. Casey, in which he wrote: I believe it is important that you have the benefit of my position. Certainly the Judici- ary Committee version of the Bill would be preferable to no legislation at all- No legislation-which is the position of the news media. but is should be clear that the Intelligence Community firmly supports the Attorney General and the President in their belief that the version of subsection 601(c) passed by the House of Representatives and em- bodied in the Chafee-Jackson amendment to S. 391 is, as President Reagan put it in his letter of 3 February 1982 to the Majority and Minority Leaders of the Senate, "far more likely to result in an effective law." I believe Senator Specter fully understands that this is my position. Sincerely, WILLIAM J. CASEY. The next point that the Senator made dealt with the subject of negli- gence, and it was his suggestion that what we have adopted in this legisla- tion is a negligence standard. He is horrified or astonished that for the first time, as he indicates, one can be prosecuted criminally for something that is considered negligence. I wish to discuss that from the point of view of the markup that took place in the Senate Judiciary Committee last October, October 6, in which this issue of negligence was raised by the Senator from Vermont (Mr. LEAHY). He directed his question to Richard Willard, the Attorney General's coun- sel for intelligence policy. Senator LEAHY said, "Can you tell us, is this or is this not a negligence standard?" The response by Mr. Willard, who I mentioned was the Justice Depart- ment's expert, was as follows: If the reason to believe standard stood by itself, if you only had the reason to believe standard and it were the only element of this offense I believe you are correct, that it would in many ways resemble negligence. However, as Senator Heflin pointed out there are so many elements of proof in this sc;ction as it exists that there is no way someone could accidentally or negligently violate the law. It would be very difficult to prosecute. There are other elements, includ- ing one of specific intent, intended to identi- fy or expose covert agents which exist in Senator Chafee's bill. Therefore, while that one provision taken in isolation would be sort of a negligence standard, it is accompa- nied by five other elements which involve actual knowledge and specific intent. I know that the Senator from Wash- So I believe the negligence argument ington has been waiting patiently, is demolished. Approved For Release 2008/09/25: CIA-RDP85-00003R000200060010-9 Approved For Release 2008/09/25: CIA-RDP85-00003R000200060010-9 March '16', 1982 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD - SENATE 1. briefly wish to address the matter of intent. Is the intent standard the best one? Is the intent standard the standard that will most likely protect those inadvertent disclosures in the press that the Senator from New York was concerned about? What we address now are the state- ments of Mr. Keuch. Mr. Keuch was the Associate Deputy Attorney Gener- al under the prior administration. This is what he said about the specific intent language, the language that is in the committee version before us now. By the way, in that version it was 501(b); now it is 601(c): Section 501(b)'s specific intent require- ment that an individual must have acted with "intent to impair or impede the foreign intelligence activities of the United States" and that such intent cannot be inferred from the act of disclosure alone is not a fully adequate way of narrowing the provi- sion, either in serving First Amendment values or in facilitating effective prosecu- tions. The specific intent requirement may itself have the effect of additionally chilling le- gitimate critique and debate on CIA policy because general criticism of the intelligence community could seem to corroborate an intent to impair or impede. The point Mr. Keuch is stressing there is when you have an overall criticism of the intelligence communi- ty after which you name a name, intent is inferred. You meant to be critical of the agency and disclosed in order to impair or impede intelligence activities. Mr. Keuch goes on: A mainstream Journalist Who occasionally writes stories based on public information concerning which foreign leaders are thought to have intelligence relationships with the United States may fear that and other stories by him critical of the CIA will be taken as evidence of an intent to impede foreign intelligence activities. Speculation and debate concerning intelli- gence activity and actors would be seeming- ly more hazardous if one had ever taken a general position critical of the conduct of our covert foreign intelligence policy. Taking the problem from the other direc- tion- Mr. Keuch continues: since any past or present criticism of the CIA might provide the something extra beyond the act of disclosure to prove specif- ic intent, citizens may be unwilling to hazard a speculative discussion of covert in- telligence policy for fear they will unwit- tingly name an intelligence source correctly. What Mr. Keuch is saying here is that your overall criticism of the intel- ligence community and then your in- advertent disclosure of a name may be used to infer intent that you are out to impair and, impede the intelligence ac- tivities of the United States. Mr. Keuch's statement I commend do each of you, and I will briefly quote a little more here: The specific intent requirement .. Mr. Keuch continues: also can hamper . effective enforce- ment ... Now he is on the other side' of the coin. He is looking at it from the en. forcement side- . by creating a difficult jury question. Any person willing to gamble on the out- come of a prosecution can claim to a jury that his intent was to inform the American people of intelligence activities he believed to be improper or unnecessary rather than to disrupt successful intelligence gathering; the government may often find it difficult to convince a Jury beyond a reasonable doubt that there was intent to impede in light of such a claim. Mr. President, I shall address that very point because it seemed to me that the Senator from New York was dismissing as ridiculous the fact that the publishers of bulletins such as Covert Action Information Bulletin could in any way ever claim that it was their intent to improve the intelli- gence activities of the United States. Yet let us turn to the testimony before the House Select Committee dh Intel- ligence last year by an editor of the Covert Action Information Bulletin, Mr. William Schaap. Now this is what he said. This is what apparently -he strongly believes. Obviously this would be his defense if accused: Our publication ... Is devoted to expos- ing what we view as the abuses of the West- ern intelligence agencies primarily though not exclusively the CIA, and to expose the people responsible for those abuses. We believe the best thing for the security and well being of the United States would be to limit severely, if not abolish the CIA. This is his view. And then he goes on: Our intent ... This is his intent- ... both in exposing the abuses of intelli- gence agencies and in exposing the people responsible for those abuses is to increase the moral force of this Nation, not to lessen it. That the CIA would assume our intent is simply to impair or impede their foreign in- telligence also seems likely. Patriotism is to some extent in the eyes of the beholder. This is their defense. And so to suggest that it is prepos- terous that such a claim could be made is in my Judgment obvious. This is not in my Judgment alone but in the burden of proof here; in the state- ments of those handful of people, as the Senator from New York discussed, in their very view this is what they be- lieved. This is their intent. The Senator also suggested that the reason to believe standard which exists in current statutes in section 18 of the code does not apply to speech or publication. That is not entirely accurate. As we pointed out yesterday, in title 18, United States Code, and in title 42, United States Code, there are a series of acts which are forbidden in which the proof of the Government is based upon the reason to believe standard. Now let us see if any of them apply to speech. I refer you to 42 U.S.C. 2274 dealing with communication of re- stricted data. It talks about anyone who communicates. transmits, or dis- S 2123 closes. Disclosing obviously covers speech or publication. In section (b) it goes on to say, "at- tempts or conspires to do any of the foregoing, with reason to believe." So there it seems to me is an obvious case where reason to believe applies to a disclosure, be it by publication or by speech offense. Finally, Mr. President, I refer to the mole argument. That is an argument that Senator Bn)sri has raised, the dis- tinguished Senator from Delaware, several times. The question is, Under my language, could you disclose the existence of a mole in the CIA? First of all, the mole, a mole within the CIA would not necessarily be a covert agent within the definition of the term as we have it in the act. The famous moles who have existed, such as Mr. Philby in England, worked for the intelligence community. Everyone knew this. He was overt. If one of those employees of our CIA was involved, he might also be an overt CIA employee. If we do not know he existed, and-he was a covert agent, it might well be that we would have to display caution. This is not be. cause of the danger of prosecution but because in many of the situations the so-called mole has been doubled. For those who indicate the despair over the effect of this act, let me just say that in nearly every instance-the Wilson case, the Terpil case, the clear- cut cases where they were not covert agents-these men were not employees of the CIA. That is acknowledged. That was acknowledged by the CIA. They are no longer employees. They are former employees. For someone. to suggest that disclo- sures of their wrongdoing could not take place is really to drag a red her- ring across a very important discussion that should be devoted to the merits of the legislation before us. So, Mr. President, this is not some- thing the Republicans have dredged up. This legislation has the support not only of this administration, of the current Director of the CIA, but of the prior Director of the CIA, the prior Attorney General, the prior Justice Department, under a completely dif- ferent administration of a completely different party. Both of those administrations, both of those Attorneys General of the De- partment of Justice, both of those Di- rectors of the CIA have pleaded with us to pass the amendment that is on the floor of the Senate today and up for consideration. They all want the Chafee-Jackson language. So, Mr. President, I do hope my col- leagues will support the amendment that is before us. Mr. President, I suggest the absence of a quorum. The - PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. Towxi). The clerk will call the roll. The legislative clerk proceeded to call the roll. Approved For Release 2008/09/25: CIA-RDP85-00003R000200060010-9 S 2124 Approved For Release 2008/09/25: CIA-RDP85-00003R000200060010-9 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD - SENATE March 16, 1982 Mr. BIDEN. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded. The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. MURKOWSKI). Without objection, it is so ordered. Mr. BIDEN. Mr. President, while we are waiting for one of our colleagues to come to speak on this Chafee amendment, I would like to raise a couple of points and hopefully clarify the record. These are not major issues but they do, in a cumulative sense, impact upon some of the arguments made thus far on this names of agents bill and particularly the Chafee amendment. One of the points which has been made by my distinguished colleague from Rhode Island concerns the intent language, presently in the Senate bill, which Senator CHAFe is attempting to remove. It is that if that language passes the Senate- it will be used as an excuse for a delay and a conference will never be called by the House side. The House has already passed a bill which incorporates the direction of the Senator from Rhode Island. If the version I an supporting passes the Senate, the Senator from Rhode Island, though not saying straight out, implies, in effect, that we will not have a bill or it will be hard to get a bill. I wish to read into the RECORD at this point a letter from the chairman of the House Permanent Select Com- mittee on Intelligence, Mr. EDWARD P. BOLAND. It reads: - Hon. JOSEPH R. Bww. Russell Senate Office Building, Washington, D.C. DEAR SENATOR Biaen: I understand that it has been suggested that, depending on the outcome of the Chafee Amendnent in the Senate, the House might elect not to seek a Conference to resolve the differences be- tween H.R. 4 and S. 39L Let me assure you that insofar as I am able to influence the decision, the House would seek a Conference with the Senate on the differences between the two bodies on the issue of the protection of intelligence identities-regardless of the outcome of the vote on the Chafee Amendment. With every good wish, I am, Sincerely yours, EDWARD P. BOLAND, Chairman. I would note further for the RECORD that we have spoken with the chair- man's office on the House side and he not only suggested there would not be a delay but also that he would prompt- ly move for a conference to resolve the differences. The second point that I would like to raise is that during this debate, Sen- ator CHAFES indicated that the reason to believe standard is more effective than the intent standard and he relies on the testimony of Richard K. Wil- lard, Counsel to the Attorney General for Intelligence Policy, who is in the record identified as a Democratic hold- over. I am not sure if it is important that he is a Democratic holdover or not. However, Mr. Willard came to the Jus- tice Department, I am told he is not a Democratic holdover but a Reagan ap- pointee at the Department of Justice. Second, the best testimony to the greater effectiveness of the intent lan- guage is Senator SPECTER, who, I would argue, has more prosecutorial experience than Mr. Willard does, who happens to work for the Department of Justice. Although Mr. SPECTER is a Senator now, for years he was a pros- ecutor. We use Mr. Willard constantly as justification for which standard is better because he is an "expert," and he is with the Justice Department. The third point that I would- like to make is that Senator CHAFES argues that there are a number of statutes and cases where the standard of reason to believe can be used to con- vict someone under the espionage stat- utes. There are a number of statutes that d6 have the reason to believe standard, but none of them involve publication or at least none have ever been used to prosecute someone for publication. Therefore, I do not be- lieve they involve the direct first amendment issue of free speech and publication and they involve usually covert communications or clandestine collections and distribution to the enemy, which does not involve the protected interest inherent in the first amendment. It is one thing to publish a name and be subject to the standard of reason to believe. It can be published in an American newspaper. I think we can all argue that at least the first amend- ment can be debated, whether or not it comes into play. It is another thing to publish it in -a memorandum to the KGB. I do not see where the first amendment issue really comes forward there. There may be some reason to believe standard in an espionage stat- ute where if I identify the name of an agent or an activity of the Federal Government that is involved, or a covert action that is under way, and I, in fact, communicate that to a hostile power, that is not the same as to whether or not the first amendment comes into play even though there is a publication. It is a publicatiol;,,in an- other country's internal firs and memoranda used for purposes of dam- aging the U.S. interests. My point is that there is not a direct corollary between the reason to be- lieve language and the espionage stat- utes' and the reason to believe lan- guage as it applies to the first amend- ment. Also, Mr. President, proponents of the bill as drafted make light of the argument I have made that there is really no difference between reason to believe and intent vis-a-vis the ability to argue that he had the benevolent intent. We hear time and again on this floor from those who support Senator CHAFEE'S position. and from Senator CHAFES, that the real reason why they are concerned about the adoption of the Senate version of the bill as before the Senate, the real reason they are afraid of the intent language, is that it will be able to be skirted; it will, }n effect, be so difficult to prosecute someone and to prove intent that we will, in effect, not be able to protect our agents. They go on further to say, time and time-I will bet you the following as- sertion appears 30 times in the RECORD-"Philip Agee and/or anyone else who publishes the name of an agent in an effort to name names, as the saying goes, if that person is re- quired to be found guilty under an intent statute all they have to do is waltz into the courtroom, get up on the stand, and on direct examination from the defense counsel turn and look to the jury and say, 'Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I didn't intend to hurt anyone. I did not intend to hurt the United States of America, I didn't intend to impair or impede. And because I said I did not intend to, you must accept that. Therefore, I cannot be found guilty of intending to impair or impede.' " Wejl, that sounds good. It sounds pretty nice. But the fact of the matter is, that is not how the system works. The Senator from Pennsylvania (Mr. SPECTER) a long-time prosecutor, one of the most successful prosecutors in the country in one of the largest juris- dictions in the country. Philadelphia. pointed out very well why the intent standard would be easier under our system of justice to prosecute and find someone guilty of a reason to believe. Let me quote from his statement. He says: In our system of justice, criminal cases have traditionally required proof of crimi- nal intent. That practice, which has been generally followed in this country for nearly 200 years, has proven to be both realistic and fair. The practice is workable even though we cannot get inside the accused's head- Let me digress for a moment. Keep in mind, you have heard that phrase a number of times on the floor. We have heard it said by my opposition, if we have an intent standard, then we really have to get inside the head of the person who published the name of the agent in order to be able to find him guilty, the implication being that unless they say, "Yes, I intended to hurt," you are not going to be able to find them guilty. Back to the Statement of the Sena- tor from Pennsylvania: to examine his intentions because of two well established legal doctrines. First, the accused is deemed to intend the "natural and probable consequences" of his actions. Second, his intent need not be proved by direct evidence, such as his statements, but may be inferred from his actions. Juries are instructed by the court that specific intent "may be determined from all the facts and circumstances surrounding the case." Even where the accused proclaims that his intent was innocent, juries often discount such statements and infer the requisite intent. On the basis of considerable personal expe- Approved For Release 2008/09/25: CIA-RDP85-00003R000200060010-9 S2126 Approved For Release 2008/09/25: CIA-RDP85-00003R000200060010-9 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD - SENATE March 16, 198,2 what I know of the case, and I do not pretend to be an expert on it,- that that is likely to be upheld. Wayne Wil- liams may very well depart this world in a consequence of inferred intent. That is the way the system works. It has worked that way for 800 years in our English jurisprudence system. So I hope my colleagues will dis- abuse themselves of the notion that when you have a requirement in the statute for specific intent, that raises a standard that is difficult for presecu- tors to meet. It is not. It is done every day in the courtrooms of this country, day in and day out. I thought the basic standard of criminality in this country was to es- tablish guilt. What is so special about the reason to believe standard? There is a little difference here. The reason to believe standard, as my colleague acknowledges, is an ob- jective standard. What does that mean, as opposed to a subjective standard? A subjective standard for criminal- ity-whether I go to jail-is what is in my head, so to speak, as is the phrase used by those who oppose this bill. Did I mean to do it, or did I not mean to do it? The objective standard, to be a little more graphic, is that I can have an intent not to do anything wrong. But if my four colleagues who are in the Chamber, from the four States repre- sented, think that I should have had reason to believe that something was right or wrong, even though I did not intend to do anything wrong, even though I thought I was doing some- thing right, even though I thought I was being a patriotic American, they are going to imply to me a negligence standard, a civil standard. That is a standard, I respectfully suggest, which should be kept to negligence cases, civil cases, not criminal cases. I see that my distinguished colleague from the great State of Washington has arrived. I now yield to the Senator from Washington (Mr. GORTON). The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Washington is recog- nized. Mr.'GORTON. I thank the Senator from Delaware. Mr. President, when the-motion to proceed to the consideration of this bill was laid before the Senate last De- cember, I briefly addressed certain concerns I had with the differences be- tween the two contending sides over appropriate provisions designed to pro- hibit the disclosure of the identity of covert agents of the United States. At that time, I suggested an approach which I believed could be the basis for a possible compromise. As my colleagues are well aware, their differences concern the standard of proof which will be required in prosecutions pursuant to section 601(c) of the act. The bill, as intro- duced, required, to support a convic- tion, only that an individual have "reason to believe that the disclosure would impair or impede the intelli- gence activities of the United States." The bill as reported, however, requires that an individual have the "intent to impair or impede the intelligence ac- tivities of the United States." It is gen- erally agreed that, as reported, the bill would require proof of specific intent, the criminal standard most difficult for a prosecutor to meet. I understand that those who advocate the specific intent standard do so, in part, because of the potentially expansive scope that could be given to the "reason to be- lieve" language. I believe that there is merit in both approaches as well as merit in the criticism each side has for the other's proposal. It is for this reason that I be- lieve a compromise to be in order. I would like briefly to share with my colleagues a bit of the frustration I have felt in the past several months in attempting to suggest a compromise which would address many of the con- cerns I have heard raised. CHRONOLOGY Or COMPROMISE ATTEMPTS My first attempt to find a compro- mise was offered on the floor during the debate on December 16, 1981. This approach would accept the structure of the intent standard as adopted by the Senate Judiciary Committee. But it would go on to include the following language in the way of defining intent: For purposes of this subsection, proof of intent to impair or impede the foreign intel- ligence activities of the United States by the fact of such identification and exposure: (1) May be established by proof of specific intent; or (2) May be inferred from the fact of such identification and exposure where the for- eign intelligence activities of the United States have been impaired or impeded, and the impairment or impediment is a natural and probable consequence of such identifi- cation and exposure. The purpose underlying this propos- al was to offer a standard somewhere between the intent and "reason to be- lieve" approaches. I was-and I remain-concerned that the House language may be so broad or vague that it would cause a chilling effect upon the exercise of protected first amendment rights; but the Senate Ju- diciary Committee language, in requir- ing proof of specific intent, may man- date such an arduous burden of proof that the act will be very difficult to enforce. My proposal sought the middle ground by allowing conviction upon proof of specific intent, but also, in circumstances in which specific, rather than generic, harm to the intel- ligence activities of the United States did occur, conviction could be obtained by a showing of general intent. This latter standard is less strict thant the specific intent requirement, and could be inferred where the court found the harm. to have been he natural and probable consequence of the exposure of the agent's indentity. This proposal was misunderstood. Some believed it would adopt the spe- cific intent standard, but would allow circumstantial proof of specific intent only where harm occurred. I did not intend to suggest that either type of intent could be proved only with direct evidence. The distinction my proposal made was between specific intent and general intent, either of which always could be established with circumstan- tial evidence, but which differ signifi- cantly with regard to the degree of proof required. Others objected to this initial pro- posal on the ground that the language would imply that harm to the intelli- gence activities of the United States would not occur in all cases in which the identities of covert agents were ex- posed-and that this implication was objectionable since proof of harm would require intelligence agencies to reveal sensitive classified information. In any case, it became clear that my first effort could not be the basis for an agreed compromise amendment. My next attempt followed the opinion of the Supreme Court in Gorin v. United States (312 U.S. 19 (1941)). In that case the Supreme Court inter- preted language in the Espionage Act of 1917 punishing certain activities ac- complished "with intent or reason to believe that the information obtained is to be used to the injury of the United States, or to the advantage of any foreign nation." The Court said that this statute- [Rlequires those prosecuted to have acted in bad faith. The sanctions apply only when scienter is established. (312 U.S.C. at 28.) In hearings before the House Perma- nent Select Committee on Intelli- gence, Richard K. Willard, counsel for the U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Intelligence Policy and Review, tes- tified that he believed that the Gorin interpretation may not apply to the "reason to believe" standard in the context of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act. He suggested that the "reason to believe" language in this context might impose merely a negli- gence standard which would not neces- sarily even require an actual apprecia- tion of the risk or a "reckless disre- gard" standard. Hearings before the Subcommittee on Legislation of the Permanent Select Committee on Intel- ligence, House of Representatives, 97th Congress, 1st session, regarding H.R. 4, pages 36, 38, and 40 (April 7 and 8, 1981). My second effort to find a workable compromise was simply to try to find acceptable language which would clar- ify in the statute itself that the Gorin doctrine would apply to the "reason to believe" language in the context of S. 391-that at least some bad faith re- quirement would be involved. I was frustrated once again in finding specif- ic language which both sides would accept. My next try at finding the elusive middle ground involved a proposed col- loquy between the distinguished Sena- tor from Minnesota (Mr. DUREN- BERGER) and the distinguished Senator from Rhode Island (Mr. CHAFEE). In. Approved For Release 2008/09/25: CIA-RDP85-00003R000200060010-9 Approved For Release 2008/09/25: CIA-RDP85-00003R000200060010-9 S 2128 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD - SENATE March 16, 1982 Government has to prove them intelligence activities of the United fec r, bthat one ecause of aone's nticipates other goals, forms to beyond a reasonable doubt. We are not States. . important safeguard for civil liberties. The setting them up as defenses that the Mr. GORTON. But there is no re- amendment before us would bring that safe. defendant has to raise. They are the quirement of proof that harm resulted guard into play, would it not? six elements of proof the Government from the disclosure? The answer from Mr. CHAFEE: has to prove and, absent them, the Mr. BIDEN. If I may interrupt, the case is,dismissed as the Senator from Senator is absolutely correct, there is Yes, it would, Senator Durenberger. Washington knows from his vast expe- no requirement. Now that seems to me fairly to con- rience as a prosecutor. Mr. GORTON. I go on then to my clude that the primary intent of the The Government has to prove as one next question and I will ask perhaps conduct must be the disclosure of the of the elements that the defendant for an answer from both Senators. If names of the agents. If I may, I will go had reason to believe his activities in fact the committee found, and Sen- on to the bottom line of this proposal would impair or impede the foreign in- ator CIAFEE agrees, that harm does which is if that is in fact, the case, telligence activities of the United result from every disclosure, why do given your answer-- States. we not have a bill before us which pro- Mr. CHAFEE. Let us finish this part. Mr. GORTON. But if I may point hibits every disclosure? Mr. GORTON. All right. out to the Senator from Rhode Island, Mr. CHAFEE. The answer to that is Mr. CHAFEE. I am not prepared to none of those six elements which the we are balancing two interests. We are concede the very point you are making Government has to prove is that there balancing the first amendment against and that you are suggesting. was harm caused to its intelligence ac- the national security and that is the Senator DURENBERGER, in his ques- tivities. Given that the Senator has as- whole careful exercise we are going tion ends up: serted at one point that we are making through. We have not said that it is an a finding here that harm takes place offense every time to disclose the A newspaper reporter, then, would rarely under the circumstances of every dis- name of an agent. That is why we have engaged in a pattern of activities with intent Instead, ad, such a identify and result would closure, but he told Senator DUREN- have these elements of proof which I covert agents." the requisite agld BERGER that the defendant could con- have gone through before with the ordinarily be "the (anticipated) side effect test the logic of the Government's as- Senator. of his conduct." sertion that a given disclosure would Mr. BIDEN. I assume the Senator This is dealing with the pattern of cause harm; but that is not going to be also wants me to respond to that. The activities which we discussed, this Gru- a defense, I take it. So why would he Senator's first question was very inci- cial distinction between the main di- contest it? sive in pointing out what we are rection of one's conduct and side ef- Mr. CHAFEE. Give me the question moving toward which, as I understand fects that one anticipates but allows to again. it, is whether or not there is a require- occur-is this where you are? Mr. GORTON. We went through ment of showing harm. There is no re- Mr. GORTON. This is exactly where the six elements which the Govern- quirement of showing harm. Every dis- I am. ment must prove. In those six ele- closure is assumed to be harmful, as- Mr. CHAFEE. "Forms an important ments, I take it, we do not include suming one other thing, the crime safeguard for civil liberties. The proof that harm resulted from the dis- only comes into effect if, in fact, you amendment before us would bring closure. The Senator has stated that it intended to harm. The harm portion that safeguard into play, would it is the finding or the basis both of the in the terms of the jury determining not?" The answer is: committee's proposal, and I take it of whether or not there was any harm Yes it would, Senator Durenberger, and his own, that harm does result from done goes on its face to the mere dis- . every such disclosure. Yet the Senator closure of the name which, in this bill, that is one reason why I believe that my version is actually better for civil has told Senator DURENBERGER in a col- is in fact the reason through which than the as r liberties than tbill as reported d out of f committee. loquy in which he engaged with him the Federal Government can move to That has nothing to do with harm to that the defendant could contest any prosecute. They then have to beyond the United States. That has to do with assertion that the given disclosure that prove that you intended to do the disclosure of the name of an caused harm; but now he is saying the harm, agent. Government does not have to prove Really what we are trying to estab- certainly does harm anyway, so the proof that it lish-maybe I will just stick to the Mr. GORTON. primary it ce ce oes does would not cause harm on the part of question. have . have t to with the y intent nthe defendant would not be a defense Mr. GORTON. Perhaps this brings it not? s It the e pattern the But t iact, tof is the activities, thrust of and would do him no good, is that not me to my next question of the Senator it not? in why not correct? from Rhode Island, and I am back your language proposal. M My that question is t your is proposal why not Mr. CHAFEE. I will go through again to his colloquy with the Senator incln uag body those six elements. First, the Govern- from Minnesota. which include the points provision out that rather fact than in the simply in ment has to prove that there was an My understanding in that respect this colloquy? intentional disclosure of the informa- was that one of the the distinctions tion which indeed did identify a covert which the Senator from Rhode Island Mr. CHAFEE. Well, it seems to me agent and, second, the Government regarded as quite important was that you are heading in two directions. It has to prove that the individual who the primary intent of the disclosure seems to me you started off this after- received the information was not au- did have to be directed at same kind of noon by suggesting that there had to thorized to receive classified informa- harm to the United States before you be harm to the United States, and tion. Next, the Government has to wish to have criminal penalties that that was a defense. Both the Sen- prove that the person making the dis- adhere; is that correct? ator from Delaware and I have point- closure knew the information disclosed Mr. CHAFEE. I think you should ed out that that is not one of the ele- did identify a covert agent, and fourth, quote from the colloquy that you are ments of proof. Either it has to be the Government has to prove that the suggesting. with an intent to impair the intelli- United States was taking affirmative Mr. GORTON. I think that is a good gence activities of the United States measures to conceal the covert agent's idea. or, my language; which is reason to be- classified intelligence affiliation. Mr. CHAFEE. If you would, I would lieve. And then the last two elements are appreciate it. But now you are taking this other the ones I already mentioned, namely, Mr.-GORTON. In the course of the language and somehow suggesting there was a pattern of activities in- colloquy, Senator CaAFEE, at the end that in the colloquy I had with Sena- tended to expose agents' identities and of one of Mr. DURENBERGER'S questions tor DURENBERGER this is what I said. that the person making the disclosure was this statement: And that is not what I said at all. had reason to believe his activities This crucial distinction between the main Mr. GORTON. Mr. CnAFEE, the first would impare or impede the foreign direction of one's conduct and the side-ef- proposal that I made to you and to Approved For Release 2008/09/25: CIA-RDP85-00003R000200060010-9 ? Approved For Release 2008/09/25: CIA-RDP85-00003R000200060010-9 March 16, 1982 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD -- SENATE Mr. BIDEN did have an alternate method of proof which included harm, although it also left the specific intent standard, which does not require harm. Our last suggestion, however, was simply that the definition of the term "pattern of activities" which you use in your statute, have added to it, and I quote, "the main direction of said pat- tern of activities must be to identify and expose covert agents." That does not include any test or implication of actual harm whatsoever. It seems to, me that ,it is totally consistent with your answer to Senator DuRENBEaoza. My question is, therefore, why do you oppose its inclusion in that definition? Mr. CHAFEE. The language you have proposed deals with and uses words that are not statutory words. Was not the language you proposed "main direction"? Mr. GORTON. It is. Mr. CHAFEE. That is just as nebu- lous, and it is on that basis we thought that was inappropriate. Mr. GORTON. But it is taken from the Senator's colloquy. Was It nebu- lous there? Is the colloquy going to be used in court? If it is not nebulous there, why is it nebulous as a part of the statute? Mr. CHAFEE. Because in the collo- quy, one is setting forth the back. ground, making a record, as it were, which is different from the specific language one uses in a statute. In the statute we used a word which has been discussed here to a considerable extent today; namely, "intent" to identify and expose covert agents. Mr. GORTON. At this point I am- not asking a question about intent at all. I-am simply dealing with the defi- nition in the statute of the term "pat- tern of activities," which "requires a series of acts with a common purpose or objective," and then asking why that should not be further clarified by adding the language, "The main direc- tion of said pattern of activities must be to identify and expose covert agents." I think that is totally consistent with your colloquy with Senator Dvx- ENBERGER. I do not believe that you have disagreed with me in that re- spect. Is your only reason for opposing the amendment that you think the lan- guage which you used yourself in the colloquy is too vague? Mr. CHAFEE. Pardon? The last words you said were what? Mr. GORTON. Is the only reason ment. The language that you seek does not have a Judicial history to it. Mr. GORTON. Does Senator Bran have any reaction to that? Mr. BIDEN. It seems to me it makes a lot of sense on the point. It seems to me you are right about the pattern of activities. A pattern of activities, by the way, to take it a step further, need not be established in testimony, need not be a pattern of disclosure. It needs to be only a pattern of activities which resulted in disclosure. I do not we how your suggestion of clarification is harrmful. It is consist. ent with what I think the Senator set out today-what Senator Cnam said it would do. I would like to at some point to go back to your first point about the question of- harm. I am not sure you want to do that now. I think when we get to that I can show you that is all the more reason why you need a tougher standard, an intent standard, rather than a reason to believe stand- ard. If. in fact, the Government does not have to show there is actual harm done, then, In fact. It seems to me the burden should be greater upon the Government to show that you intend- ed to do harm. But I am not sure you want to get to that right now. (Mr. EAST assumed the chair.) Mr. GORTON. I note in the opening statement of Senator Cnesrt on Feb- ruary 25 of this year. he stated ",The pattern of. activity Includes more than one disclosure.'.' By that does the Sen- ator mean a disclosure of more than one name or the disclosure of a single name more than once, or both? Mr. CHAFES. Let me quote the lan- guage in the report of the Select Com- mittee on Intelligence. That might be helpful. I will quote from page 22: A Journalist writing stories about the CIA would not be engaged in the requisite --pat- tern of activities," even if the stories he wrote included the names of one or more covert agents, unless the government proved that there was intent to identify and expose agents and that this effort was undertaken with reason to believe it would impair or impede foreign intelligence activities. The fact that a journalist had written articles critical of the CIA which did not identify covert agents could not be used'as evidence that the purpose Was to identify and expose covert agents. To meet the standard of the bill, a discloser must be engged in a purpose- ful enterprise of revealing names-he must, in short, be in the business of "naming names.-' Then there are some illustrations that are given in this report language. There it is. I do not know what more I can give you, along with the definition that we have in the act itself. you disagree with adding that kind of Mr. GoaTON. I was not referring to an amendment the fact that you think the report language. I was referring to the language in your colloquy is too the statement the Senator made in his vague to be included in the statute? opening salvo, in his argument on the Mr. CHAFES. Yes. There is no his- floor. I think my question was fairly tory of the use of such language. Fur- simple and is not answered by the thermore, the problem is you do not report language. It involves proof of a like my answers, but I cannot go any . pattern of activity. You. say this re- further with you. quires more than one . disclosure. But 'The language, the intent, which we that is somewhat imprecise. I simply .have included is.sufficient, in my Judg- wanted to know whether the Senator S 2129 meant by that the disclosure of more than one name or the disclosure of a single name more than once. If there is any implication in your answer by reading from the committee report, it may be that it was a disclosure of a name more than once. Am I correct on that or not? Mr. CHAFEE. Well, go back and look at my statement. The Senator is taking the statement I made. Let me Just say this: It appears to me that the Senator has misunderstood that. I did not say a pattern of activity necessar- ily includes more than one disclosure. I said the pattern of activity requires a series of acts with a common purpose and objective. It is not necessarily one disclosure. It is a pattern of activities to impair or impede U.S. foreign intel- ligence activities. Thus, there must be proof not only with regard to a particular disclosure but also with respect to a pattern of activities in which the - disclosure occurs. The evidence must show that such activities were undertaken both to identify and to expose covert agents.. That was the quote that I gave in my statement. In other words, one disclosure, plus a series of acts leading to that diselo- sure, could be a pattern of activities. Many disclosures could also be a pat- ternof activities. However. it is impor- tant to state that 'this pattern of activ- ities must be done with the required intent. I do not think you can brush that aside. - We are looking at this act without considering the six elements of proof which I have time and time again stressed. The pattern of activities must be done without the intent to Identify and expose. In order words, you have to have a pattern of activi- ties and you have to have the, intent to expose. Mr. BIDEN. Will the Senator yield? Mr. CHAFEE. Let me Just say one other thing. I think it is clear from the language of the bill and the accompa- nying legislative history that an indi- vidual could be liable for a single dis- closure of a single name under either of these versions, either under the Biden language or under the language that I have proposed. But it is also clear that the other elements would have to be proved as well. Mr. GORTON. With that statement I certainly agree. Did Senator BIDEN wish to respond? Mr. BIDEN. Yes, I would like to re- spond. Do not get carried away with the language in the report which talks about revealing or being in the busi- ness of naming names. You do not have to name names. You only have to name one name, No. 1. No. 2, the Justice Department testi. mony before our committee was that their interpretation of a pattern of ac- tivity would mean that a single report- er going out and Identifying a single Approved For Release 2008/09/25: CIA-RDP85-00003R000200060010-9 Approved For Release 2008/09/25: CIA-RDP85-00003R000200060010-9 S 2130 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD - SENATE March 16, 1982 name, if he or she in the course of trying to find out that name contacted several people, establishes a pattern. A pattern can be established by, literal- ly, if I am a reporter, going to see the intelligence committee spokesperson and saying, "Is John Smith an agent?" They say, "No comment." Then they go over and look in some old military records to see if John Smith had ever been in intelligence. That is another thing they have done. Then they go out to Langley. They have established a pattern by that. The pattern of activity that Sen- ator CHAFEE keeps talking about as one of the six protections is in fact no protection at all. There is not any pro- tection. He is quite correct, under the intent provision we do not require that there be a pattern of activity. The term pat- tern of activity just requires a common purpose or objective. The common purpose is established if you can show that the pattern was de- signed and activity undertaken to dis- close a name. That is, again, all the more reason why there is a need for the "additional standard protection of requiring intent." The pattern of activity is not any protection. Mr. CHAFEE. The case that the Senator from Delaware cited in sup- port of his language seems to me does not Be. It is clear, under his definition, that someone seeking to track down the name of an agent and who gets the name of an agent and publishes it after going through this effort, would be guilty under the Biden language. I do not see what defense the reporter would have in that instance. Mr. GORTON. Both Senator BIDEN and I agree on that. Mr. BIDEN. That is my point. The point I am trying to make is that Senator CHAFES and those who support his position constantly refer to the establishment of a pattern of activity as one of the six sacred safe- guards. "The Government has to prove six elements here and one is a pattern of activity." Well, that is not much of a hurdle to overcome. A pattern of activity can be easily established and because it can be, and because, further, there Is not a requirement for the Government to prove that harm was done to the Gov- ernment-neither of those require- ments exist-that is all the more reason why we have to err on the side of sticking to the time-honored juris- prudential standard of requiring Intent. Mr. GORTON. In this colloquy, I am still not totally persuaded, I will say to the Senator from Delaware, about that point In its entirety. It certainly leads to my next question of the Sena- tor from Rhode Island. Under the Chafee amendment, to support a con- viction must the primary intent of the defendant have been to disclose the identity of agents as opposed to the disclosure simply being a side effect of the pattern of activities? Mr. CHAFEE. Would the Senator re- state the question? Mr. GORTON. Let me repeat it. Under the Chafee amendment, in order to support a conviction must the primary intent of the defendant have been to disclose the identity of an agent or agents as opposed to that dis- closure being a mere side effect of a pattern of activities? Mr. CHAFEE. Mr. President, I dis- agree with the point that the Senator from Delaware stresses. He seems to be taking over the definitions that come from our act and describing them as the pattern of activities and the intent being the same standard. I do not believe so at all. Nor are they meant to be. The pattern of activities is as de- fined. That is something quite differ- ent from the intent to disclose. Mr. BIDEN. Mr. President, I am not suggesting they are synonymous. Mr. CHAFEE. Mr. President, I shall handle my section of the bill and the Senator can handle his. Mr. BIDEN. Fair enough. Mr. CHAFEE. In response to these questions of the Senator from Wash- ington, in his very question, he pro- poses that the intent is part of the pattern of activities. That is not so. The intent to disclose an agent is an element. Indeed, an individual might have an intent to disclose the name of an agent, but the question remains- was this a part of a pattern of activi- ties? It could well be that it was not and the absence of a pattern of activi- ties would be a successful defense. Mr. BIDEN. Mr. President, is it per- missible for me to respond to that, be- cause I think the Senators are making a very, very important point? The reason for the notion of wheth- er or not it was a primary intent or a side effect in the disclosure is that the pattern of activity which took place resulted in the disclosure of an agent. For example, someone could be out writing a book about how the CIA works and be trying to establish a par- ticular point. In the process, as a side effect, he discloses a name. It is very difficult to determine whether or not it is primary purpose or secondary purpose or side effect. That is why we, those who took my position, aban- doned that whole attempt to establish intent as it relates to disclosure. It is a nonwinning game. It is hard to pin down how that relates to disclosure. Intent relates to the question of dis- closure of a name in the Chafee bill. We abandoned that in our bill and intent goes to the question of whether or not there was an intent to do harm, not to disclose a name or not disclose a name. The Senator from Washington is making, whether he intended it or not. a perfect case why the intent provision as it appears in the Chafee language is meaningless. Mr. GORTON. Mr. President, I am frustrated by this exchange because, in fact, I read the Durenberger collo- quy as being a very constructive step forward. Mr. BIDEN. If that is what it really means. Mr. GORTON. One which would have persuaded me to vote for the Chafee amendment were I persuaded that the courts would interpret "reason to believe" as the Senator from Rhode Island explained it to Mr. DURENBERGER. I have been trying to get an answer from the Senator from Rhode Island which would allow me to do that. I do not think my last ques- tion was a trick. I think that the way I read his colloquy with Senator DUREN- BERGER, when a disclosure Is a mere side effect of the pattern of activities, there Is not a sufficient degree of proof to sustain a conviction under the Chafee amendment. It must be the primary intent of the defendant to dis- close the identity of agents. I think that is what the Senator from Rhode Island told the Senator from Minnesota. My frustration comes from the fact that I do not think that, standing alone, his language leads to that conclusion. I simply wanted to propose a change, not from "reason to believe" to Senator BIDEN's "intent," but simply to put into the statute itself what the Senator from Rhode Island said his amendment meant. Mr. BIDEN. Believe it or not, Mr. President- Mr. CHAFEE. Wait a minute, Mr. President. If I am going to defend my amendment, I want to do the defend- ing. Mr. BIDEN. I think that is a good idea. Mr. CHAFEE. If the Senator from Delaware wants to address a matter. he is perfectly free to do so. But I do not want him describing my amend- ment. I am perfectly capable of under- taking that by myself. If he has a question, the Senator from Washington should go ahead and ask it. But in all fairness, he has been against this amendment right along.. so I do not know what has changed all of a sudden that made it palatable to him. If it can be made palatable, I cer- tainly would be delighted to do so within the realm of what is legal lan- guage and would hold up in court. Mr. GORTON. Mr. President. I may say I cannot speak, of course, for the Senator from Delaware. I can, howev- er, speak for the Senator from Wash- ington, and I can only repeat that I felt that I had reached a point at which I could support the Senator from Rhode Island when I read his colloquy with Senator DURENBERGER. This was true, except for the fact that, as a cautious lawyer, I did not feel that what I understood from the collo- quy was apparent simply from the plain meaning of the "reason to be- lieve" language in the amendment itself. Approved For Release 2008/09/25: CIA-RDP85-00003R000200060010-9 Approved For Release 2008/09/25: CIA-RDP85-00003R000200060010-9 , Man,h 16, 1982 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD - SENATE It is for that reason that I suggested the softest possible amendment, an amendment which did not change the "season to believe" standard of the Senator from Rhode Island, but which simply attempted to take the words out of his own colloquy with Senator DURENBERGER by adding to the defini- tion of a "pattern of activity," the lan- guage, "The main direction of the pat- tern of activities must be to identify or expose covert agents." ? I believe the Senator from Rhode Island has said that in fact is an accu- rate reading of what he said and meant in his colloquy with Senator DuRNsaRonR. My frustration stems from the fact that he is unwilling to put it in the statute. It is just as simple as that, Mr. Presi- dent. I would like to vote for the Chafee amendment. Mr. CHAPEE. And, Mr. President, I would like to have him vote for it. Mr. GORTON. Then why can we not add that language to the Chafee amendment? I suspect it would also secure the votes of a number of people who prefer the intent language. Mr. CHAFEE. Mr. President, I do not know what else we can do. The Senator wants the changes made. The language which we have in here-we are plowing old ground now-deals with an intent to identify and expose agents. Why is that not clear enough? What does the Senator want? Mr. GORTON. I do not propose to change that language, Mr.?President. I do not propose to change a single word in that language. I simply propose to change the definition of "pattern of activities" to incorporate in it the ex- planation of that term which the Sen- ator from Rhode Island accepted in his colloquy with Senator DvREir- BUROER. Mr. CRAPES. Mr. President, we have gone over this before and we can repeat it. Obviously, in a colloquy, one is not using exact, specific legal terms. A colloquy, history of the act, a report, all go into the makeup. But the specif- - le language the Senator was seeking, I believe, is something different. Can he repeat his language, the main thrust, as it were? Mr. GORTON. I can, President,. and I shall be even more specific. The lan- guage in the bill is on page 9, subsec- tion 10. That subsection says this: The term "pattern of activities" requires a series of acts with a common purpose or ob- jective. That is the entire definition as the bill appears now. I would add to that: The main direction of said patterns of ao- tivities must be to indenify and expose covert agents. I believe that this language-I do not mean to try to mislead the Sena- tor from Rhode Island in any respect whatsoever-is the precise thrust of what he said that term "pattern of ac- tivities" did mean in answering ques. tions of Senator DURENBEROER early in the course of this debate. If I may say so- . Mr. CHAFES. Let me just answer the Senator from Washington. He is an experienced lawyer, formerly attor- ney general of his State. What does he think of language that has words like "main direction?" Mr. GORTON. I would suppose- Mr. CHAFEE. Has he ever seen it? Mr. GORTON (continuing]. That if I were a judge and I were dealing with a prosecution under this act and I had to give a jury instruction as to what the term "pattern of activities" means, and I were referred by either the pros- ecuting attorney or by the defense counsel to the debate over this in Con- gress because I was attempting to find out what it means, and I read the Chafee-Durenberger colloquy, I might very well make an instruction read that the term "pattern of activities" requires a series of acts with common purpose or objective, and the main di- rection of said pattern of activities must be to identify or expose covert agents. I think I might very well take that right out of 'the debate over this bill. In my view, to a juror, that would be quite meaningful. That is plain, simple English; it is not even a particularly long sentence. Under those circum- stances, why make the judge guess at making that instruction? Mr. President, I do not think this language is vague or general, anymore than anything else in this proposal is. It is not something new. It is not in a foreign language. They are simple words. I suppose that the reason that I bring this up is that it seems to me to consolidate and strengthen the posi- tion of the Senator from Rhode Island in this entire debate. If provides the great strengthening from his colloquy with Senator DURENsERGER by putting into the statute language which clari- fies what he says it means. Mr. CHAFES Mr. President, would the Senator remove the word "intent" on line 8, page 3, subsection (c)? Mr. GORTON. I am sorry, Mr. Presi- dent. Would the Senator repeat that? Mr. CHAFES.- Would the Senator then remove the word "intent" in 601(c), where we say, "Whoever, in the course of a pattern of activities, in- tended to identify and expose' * ?"? Mr. GORTON. I do not think so. I was not proposing to make any changes there. I was not proposing to strike any- thing from the Senator's amendment or from the bill. I was simply propos- ing to clarify the meaning of the term "pattern of activities." Mr. CHAFEE. In the language we have, the pattern of activities has to have the intent. It has to be a pattern of activities, and it has to have the intent. It seems to me that-what the Sena- tor from Washington is proposing is what we have in there. In the colloquy with Senator DvRExssaGER-and I re- member it-we put considerable stress on the very point of the intent. S 2131 Mr. GORTON. I believe that is so. A fair question in the colloquy with Sen- ator DURENBEROER was whether or not we were dealing with what might be called the primary Intent of the pat- tern of activities rather than a second- ary or merely incidental intent. It was to clarify that question that the Sena- tor from Rhode Island both set up the colloquy and answered as he did. So, no, I do not think I would want to remove the word "intent" from the other portion in the statute. We prob- ably could reach the same goal by simply putting "primary" before the word "intent" earlier in the act. How- ever, I understood the Senator to object to that as being too drastic. I think this is a less drastic method of doing the same thing. Mr. CHAFEE. Let us take it under consideration. Why does the Senator not move on, if he has other ques- tions? Mr. GORTON. No. As a matter of fact, since this is the central point in my colloquy with the Senator from Rhode Island, and since I intend to vote for the amendment of the Sena- tor from Rhode Island if he accepts this proposal, the only, conclusion I have here in my speech depends on what his answer is to my question. Mr. CHAFEE. I shall have to consid- er that. We are not through yet. Obvi- ously, we will be on this measure to- morrow. Mr. GORTON. I am more than happy to have the Senator consider this proposition overnight and to obtain an answer later. At that point, I may have something further to say to Senator BIDED. Mr. CHAFEE. All right. By "all right," I mean that, I heard the Sena- tor, and I appreciate his suggestion. Since the Senator has indicated that he is going to vote against Me, anyway, I can only go up with regard to con- forming to his wishes and, perhaps se- curing his vote. Mr. GORTON. I thank the Senator from Rhode Island. (Mr. ABDNOR assumed the chair.) Mr. QUAYLE. Mr. President, I wish to respond to the debate of yesterday concerning the statement I . made on January 25 of this year with respect to two fundamental points. One, the appropriate element for a criminal statute, the issue there being the "reason to believe" standard versus the "intent" standard; and two, the question of gray mail. Mr. President, the distinguished Senator from Rhode Island yesterday made some observations to which I should like to respond. First, the fact that "reason to be- lieve" language implies a negligence standard is well-founded throughout the legal community and by Interpre- tation in the courts. The Senator from Rhode Island points out, with testimo- ny from the Justice Department on October 6 of last year that: Approved For Release 2008/09/25: CIA-RDP85-00003R000200060010-9 Approved For Release 2008/09/25: CIA-RDP85-00003R000200060010-9 S 2132 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD - SENATE March 16, 1982 If the "reason to believe" standard stood by itself and were the only element of this offense.... it would in many ways resem- ble negligence. So the Justice Department said, in response to a question by Senator LEARY, that just by itself, yes, "reason to believe" language would be a negli- gence standard. Then the Justice De- partment goes on and is quoted in the RECORD as follows: Therefore, while that one provision, taken in isolation, would be sort of a negligence standard, it Is accompanied by five other elements which involve actual knowledge and specific Intent. Mr. President, "intent" is the stand- ard for a criminal statute. "Reason to believe" is the standard for a negli- gence statute. I find it very interesting that the conclusion of the Justice Department goes to the actual knowledge and spe- cific intent we are debating here today. I hope this body will view the debate in that context-that even the Justice Department is saying actual knowledge and specific intent are ele- ments of the crime. Yet, we are going to be asked to vote on the Chafee amendment to insert "reason to be- lieve." The second point that my good friend and distinguished colleague brings up concerns the very important debate on the issue of gray mail, and the possibility that what the Chafee amendment would promote has been misunderstood. 3f do not believe that the arguments are complex, but it seems to me that, nonetheless, they are easily confused. It has been suggested that the Chafee amendment would pose no problem of ,gray mail. With all due re- spect, I must ,disagree. The Senator from Rhode Island said yesterday: The "reason to believe" standard avoids this problem by ring on overt acts rather than on some subjective state of mind. I ask this: What other evidence, beside exposure of these overt acts, can be used to establish.proof of guilt in such cases? What other evidence, beside exposure of such overt acts, would be thrown up as a defense? I go back to the March 15 statement in the RECORD. where again the Justice Department is called upon to provide us with wisdom in correcting any un- certainties we may have. I read from the RECORD, page S 2079, quoting Mr. Robert Keuch, Assistant Deputy At- torney General in the Carter adminis- tration: The Justice Department is concerned that the specific intent element will facilitate gray mail efforts to dissuade the Federal Government from prosecuting offenders. What the Justice Department does not tell us is what the "reason to be- lieve" standard will- do to facilitate gray mail efforts to dissuade the Fed- eral Government from prosecuting of- fenders. Mr. President, this issue is much simpler than it is given credit for being. Obviously, the intent standard is more narrow; it is more difficult to prove. The "reason to believe" stand- ard is broader in its context; it is more encompassing. Therefore, by logical sense, the "intent" standard in discov- ery elements will be more restricted, and the "reason to believe" standard in discovery will be expanded. That is the case we are arguing. That is the issue of gray mail. Mr. President, I bclleve we will have to ask ourselves one very fundamental question, and, it is this: Given a crimi- nal statute, do we want a criminal standard? If the answer is yes, then the Judiciary Committee's language should stand. If the answer is no, then I suppose it would be advisable for those willing not to have a criminal standard to vote for the Chafee lan- guage. Finally, I should like to comment on the recent colloquy I heard between the Junior Senator from Washington and the Senator from Rhode Island. The colloquy left me with the under- standing that the Senator from Rhode Island would be willing to consider the proposition put forth by the Senator from Washington. The Senator from Rhode Island did not give us any indi- cation of what that consideration would be, but at least the discussion left me with the impression that he would be openminded with respect to the Gorton amendment. which keeps the basic principles of the Chafee amendment intact but does not agree with the precise language that was passed by the House of Representa- tives. I find very disturbing what could happen here. We have the "intent" and "reason to believe" language adopted by the House Committee on the Judiciary and overturned on the floor of the House of Representatives. We have the "reason to believe" or the "intent" language adopted by tine Senate Judi- ciary Committee and a chance of being overturned on the floor of the Senate. We have two committees in both Houses which have paid far more at- tention to this issue than 90 percent of the Members of the House of Repre- sentatives or 90 percent of the Mem- bers of the Senate. That is the way the committee system works. If we adopt the Chafee language without the amendment or without the suggestions from the Senator from Washington, we are not going to have a conference on this disputed lan- guage. There will be no middle ground. And we will in fact have both Houses overturning committees on a very im- portant and substantive issue. Speculation is that the vote is going to be reasonably close. I would say to those who are listening and to those who are not here today that, if there is a question in their minds on wheth- er the Chafee amendment is the proper language, they vote against the Chafee amendment, unless Senator CHAFEE is willing to consider the prop- osition put forth by the Senator from Washington. Otherwise, we will be doing some- thing that ultimately we could bje sorry for. Deliberations have taken place in both committees, the House of Repre- sentatives and the Senate, and there is a chance now that those committees will be overturned. Not even looking at the merits, but just looking at the simple process of overturning the committees and thus not having that item conferenceable, I believe would be a serious mistake in the legislative process that we so fer- vorishly support. Mr. CHAFEE. Mr. President. I wish to address the last point of the distin- guished Senator from Indiana and then I will address the others. The point he seems to be making here is that when committees have considered language, woe betide the rest of us on the floor of the Senate should we con- sider changing that. I just cannot be- lieve that that is the thrust of his ar- gument. First of all, if we want to follow that through. If he accords such significant consideration in the committees to the language that therefore we are bound to follow it here on the floor at great risk if we do not do so, certainly is plowing a new path in senatorial con- duct. Mr. QUAYLE. Mr. President, will the Senator yield? Mr. CHAFEE. If I may finish, he will recall that this matter was set before and was considered in the sub- committee of the Judiciary Committee for something like 4 months and there the subcommittee approved the Chafee language. Then it came to the full committee in a rather short time. They overturned it by vote of 9 to 8. Is it your suggestion that based on that narrow vote which indeed-reversed the vote of the subcommittee-and if you want to allocate time considered I would suspect the subcommittee de- voted more hours than were devoted to the amendment in the full commit- tee. Then the matter came to the floor where this is hardly being rushed through. We first considered it in De- cember 1981, and it has been pendirig since then. We have debated it here 4 hours today and 31/2 hours yesterday and there is plenty of time remaining. We stopped only because no one else wanted to speak or be heard on the matter. So if that is the thrust of the Sena- tor's argument, that we should not overturn a 9-8 vote in a senatorial committee, because we do not know the substance of this measure, that is an argument I really would have to reject, even though the man pro- pounding it- Mr. QUAYLE. Will the Senator yield before he has to reject the proposal? Mr. CHAFEE. The man proponding the argument is such a knowledgeable person that his mere suggestion of it Approved For Release 2008/09/25: CIA-RDP85-00003R000200060010-9 Approved For Release 2008/09/25: CIA-RDP85-00003R000200060010-9 S 2134 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD - SENATE But the Senator from Indiana is cor- rect, there will be no compromise on what we agree on If the Chafee lan- guage is adopted here. The relevant portion is the same as what is in the House language, and there will not be any chance to compromise on that. But the notion that a conference will not be called swiftly or if that lan- guage is passed there is no need for a conference should be disabused. We have to have a conference anyway. Mr. CHAFEE. Let me say, in re- sponse to that, if I might, yes, there would be differences. If the Chafee amendment is adopted there will be differences in the languages. The Sen- ator is quite correct when he said they were not major but minor. I believe they are minor. I believe the House still has the language pertaining to cover provisions. But that is a kind of matter that indeed can probably be worked out. I think we have seen ex- amples of where you never even actu- ally go to conference, it is worked out without meeting. Mr. BIDEN. The point I want to make is you made reference to holi- days and times, and whatever, as if that was an impediment. Mr. CHAFEE. The difference is that when you do not have matters of sub- stance, sometimes they can be worked out, really, without a conference. The two chairmen get together and that is it. But I think the crucial point is if the Senator from Indiana is suggesting that there is some magic compromise that is possible, he should know that the Senator from Delaware and I have been working on this matter for some time. There has never been a compro- mise suggested. I mean this is lan- guage that-- Mr. BIDEN. I am prepared to accept the compromise. I am prepared to con- sider this language and, quite frankly, the Gorton language which adds: The main direction of said pattern of ac- tivities must be to identify and expose covert agents. I think that does go to the heart of the issue on which we have a disagree- ment. It is one I do not like as much as the intent language, but it is one I am willing to consider, and if we can get a compromise on it it is better than the language that exists. It is a significant change. I am willing to do that. I am willing to go into that. But I do not discard that out of hand because it really does make a sig- nificant difference. The additional lan- guage added by Senator GORTON is very critical, for example. The whole thing would read then: The term "pattern of activities" would re- quire a series of acts with a common pur- pose or objective. The main direction of said pattern of activities must be to identify and expose covert agents. It thus requires the courts to go back to the language in which the reason to believe standard is con- tained, and if those six elements are approved that the Senator from Rhode Island constantly refers to, which have some real teeth in them, in order to establish a pattern of activ- ities, you have to show that it would be the burden on the State to prove that the main direction of the pattern was to identify and to expose. Therefore, a logical defense would be "My main direction was not to expose the name of Charlie Smith, the agent. My main direction was to un- cover a mole in the agency." Then, in effect, the Gorton language is not quite as strong as "intent" but the Government essentially has to prove intent. So it is substantive, it is real. It is a compromise I would con- sider. But I do not think the Senator from Rhode Island can disagree with the effect of the Gorton compromise. Mr. QUAYLE. The Senator from Delaware is saying there is a potential for compromise. The Gorton language does not suite the distinguished Sena- tor from Delaware in all manners, but it is certainly preferable than leaving it as is. I believe that we are in this posture, as was first brought out by the Sena- tor from Washington, further ad- vanced by the Senator from Delaware, that there is a potential of compro- mise. Well, certainly there is not going to be any magic wand waved to get a compromise between the two distin- guished Senators from Rhode Island and Delaware. They have been work- ing too long and too hard on this issue. But, at the final hour, as we come down to and prepare to vote for this, the Senator from Washington has put forth what appears to be a reasonable compromise. At least one element of this friendly confrontation that has been going on for months is willing to accede to the fact that it is a reason- able compromise. Mr. BIDEN. I would add, if the Sen- ator would yield, it is not merely that it is reasonable, it is a substantive change in both positions. Keep in mind the reason to believe standard would then be modified by a definition of the pattern of activity that essen- tially required proof of an intent to do something other than to write a story about uncovering a mole in the agency. The Government would have to be able to prove, under the Gorton language, that the main direction, the primary purpose of the activity that the writer engaged in was to expose an agent. If, in turn, that writer, that newspa- per person, could come into court and defend and say, "No, I can establish by the following 27 witnesses-ask my editor, ask my wife, ask the CIA agent I went to, they all know the reason I was going after this, I didn't care about John Smith's name, I wanted to know whether or not there was an ille- gality going on." They can offer that proof as a de- fense and it has to be rebutted by the State. The State would then have to say, "No, no. The main direction of your pattern was to disclose it." March 16, 1982 That is an additional safeguard. That is substantive. That is real. I do not think it goes as far as my intent language, which I prefer, but it is not, cosmetic. It is real. Mr. QUAYLE. Mr. President, I think we have made progress here. Mr. CHAFEE. Let me just say this in response to what the Senator from Delaware is saying. When we get into the very problem that has been testi- fied to by representatives of two sepa- rate administrations, you get into this business of the defense saying, "No, no. That wasn't my main direction. Ask my wife, ask my publisher, ask my adviser. My main direction was really to write a terrific book about the oper- ations of the U.S. Government. My secondary direction was to identify and expose agents, but that wasn't my principal reason." That is why you found me having such reluctance in connection with this suggestion of Senator GORTON and, indeed, my refusal to accept it here. Mr. BIDEN. I guess the Senator does not like the Gorton language, is that what he is trying to say? Mr. QUAYLE. Will the Senator yield? Mr. BIDEN. Yes. Mr. QUAYLE. Mr. President, I think I heard the Senator from Rhode Island, in response to the Senator from Washington, say that he would certainly take this language, consider this proposition of the Senator from Washington. So we now have one-half of the debaters saying, "Well, it is a compromise. I don't particularly like it, but I will support it." We have the other half saying, "I am going to take it under advisement." I would say we are moving toward a resolution on this issue. All of us want an agent identities bill, at least this Senator does. There may be some Sen- ators that do not. I do not believe by opposing the Chafee amendment that anyone ought to be put in the catego- ry of not wanting to see this bill passed as fast as possible. I want to see it pass for the very reasons that the Senator from Rhode Island has been working on this for how long? Two years, three years? Mr. CHAFEE. Two and a half years. Mr. QUAYLE. Two and a half years of his distinguished career in the U.S. Senate has been contributed toward this legislation. I want to see it pass, but I also want to see it in the best language possible. I think we have the makings of a com- promise, at least we are moving in that direction. Mr. CHAFEE. We are not moving far in that direction. Mr. QUAYLE. Let us move a_ little further. Mr. CHAFEE. This Senator, this ad- ministration, the prior administration, both Justice Departments, both U.S. attorneys, and both heads of the CIA want legislation that protects first Approved For Release 2008/09/25: CIA-RDP85-00003R000200060010-9 Approved For Release 2008/09/25: CIA-RDP85-00003R000200060010-9 March 16, 1988 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD - SENATE amendment rights and prohibits these activities that have gone on. So, as I sold, I would consider It. But that does trot mean I will take It. Mr. BIDEN. I think that Is a good place to and the discussion. Mr. CHAFi66. I think that is a splen- did place. But I do not want anybody walking out of here, or I do not want any newspaper reporters to say this is a magnificent solution that is going to settle all problems. We will review It. We are always open to reviewing any- thing. ? Mr. BAUCUS. Mr. President, the ac- tivities of those who 'Intentionally and maliciously, expose the Identities of this Nation's intelligence agents must be stopped. 'Those who disclose the names of these agents with the ex- press intent of jeopardizing the agents' positions should be held ac- countable for their actions. Recent, well publicized examples of such rep- rehensible conduct have resulted in at least one tragedy as well as the endan- germent of the lives of countless num- bers of our intelligence agents and their families. it is absolutely essential for our Nation to have intelligence informa- tion which Is timely and accurate. The United States can collect this vital in- telligence only through the operations officers of Its Intelligence agencies. But the Identities of these loyal Americans has been shown by the recent turn of events to be in need of more stringent protection, particularly from those who make it their business to be in the business of naming names. in an effort to protect our national security and to stop this reprehensible conduct, the Senate Judiciary Com- mittee has reported S. 391, the Intelli- gence Identities Protection Act of 1981. While I strongly support the intent of this legislation, as we draft the spe- cific provisions we must be.mindful of the protections provided to individuals by the Constitution.. Any attempt to prohibit the dissemination of informa- tion must be balanced with the Consti- tutional guarantees of free speech and freedom of the press. This Issue before' us is not whether we should protect the CIA. Rather the issue Is whether we should draft legislation to protect the CIA that Is careful not to Impinge upon constitutional guarantees. The language of 601c, as currently written in the bill, both protects the constitutional guarantees of free speech and sufficiently penalizes those who undertake to identify covert agents , "with the intent to impair or impede the foreign Intelligence activi- ties of the United States." The basic rule of constitutional law, as written by Justice Holmes in 1919 is "whether the words are used In such circumstances and are of such , a nature as to create a clear and present danger that they will bring about sub- stantive evils that Congress has a right to 'prevent" Schenck v. United States 249 U.S. 47 (1919). In other words, Congress can only plate restric- tions on speech where the' damage from speech is Imminent, where the danger outweighs the used for free ex- pression and where the means chosen to restrict speech are not overbroad. And that brings us to the crux of the matter: The means chosen which will least burden that constitulonal guar- antee of free speech. The Supreme Court has defined Congress limits In Broadrick v. Okfsliosns, 413 U.S. 601, 607 (1942) when It is said: It has long been recognized that the First Amendment needs breathing space and that statutes attempting to restrict or burden the exeAdm of. Pint Amendment tights must be narrowly skarn ssrd represent a considered legislative Judgment that a par- ticular mode of expression bas given way to other compelling needs of society. I believe the Intent standard cur- rently in. this legislation will satisfy this requirement and withstand subse- quent, judicial scrutiny. The standard adopted in section 601(0) applies crimi- nal penalties only to deter those who make It their business to ferret out and publish the identities of agents.. At the same time, It does not affect the first amendment rights of those who disclose the Identities-of agents as an Integral part of another enterprise such as news media reporting of intel- ligence failures or abuses, academic studies - of U.S. Goveresaent policies and programs, or a private organiza- tion's enforcement of its internal rules. The bill erects a number of hurdles against prosecution, to protect the journalist and Intelligence critic. The Government would have to. prove each of the following elements, beyond a reasonable doubt: First. that there was an Intentional disclosure of Information which did in fact Identify a covert agent; Second, that the disclosure was made to an Individual not authorized to receive classified information; Third. that the person who made the disclosure knew that the informa- tion disclosed did. In fact identify and disclose a covert agent; Fourth. that the person who made the disclosure knew that the United States was taking. affirmative meas- ures to conceal the covert agent's clas- sified Intelligence affiliation; Fifth, that the disclosure was made in the course of an effort to Identify and expose covert agents; and Sixth, that the person making the disclosure did so with the intent of Im- pairing or impeding the foreign intelli- gence activities of the United States. A newspaper reporter, acting in a professional capacity is not likely to have engaged In disclosing information with the requisite intent "to impair or impede the foreign intelligence activi- ties of the United States by the fact of such identification and exposure." In- stead, such a result would ordinarily be the side effect of his conduct and thus outside the mope of this legisla- tion. S2135 In my view, the "reason-to-believe.. standard being proposed by the Sena- tor from Rhode Island does not strike the correct balance bataseen criminal. izing the conduct we all agree should be stopped while at the same time pre- serving important press protections. More than 100 Constitutional law ex- perts share this perspective and be- lieve the Chafee standard to be uncon- stitutional. The "reason-to-believe'. standard Is simply toe broad to fall within the limit defined in Broadrick against Oklahoma. it would have a chilling effect on the press. It Is this chilling effect that the intent standard in the committee bill will effectively avoid, while preserving much needed sanctions for those who represent a very real threat to our na- tional security., I therefore oppose the Chafee amendment, but strongly sup- port S. 391, as reported by the Judici- ary Committee.. ? Mr. GRASSLEY. Mr. President. ear- lier this year. as a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee. I voted in favor of S. 391. as originally intro. duced. I Intend to reaffirm my strong support for the bill here today and I hope that we can restore the bill to its original form.' In this bill. as In other bills that the Judiciary Committee has studied in this and the prior session, we have been asked to balance first amend- ment rights against the Government's ability to suppress information neces- sary to protect the mar and women of the Intelligence community. whose secret work is vital to the Nation's se- curity. Some have opposed this legislation. The opposition states that the bill un- dermines first amendment rights. But, overwhelmingly. it has been viewed and It should be viewed se an attempt to bolster or protect our covert inteslli- gence and Counterintelligence agents, Controversy over this legislation has focused on the specific latent retpr'lte ments of the till. The intent standard in the Chafee amendment "to identify and expose covert agents," rather than an intent "to impair or impede the for- eign intelligence activities of the United States" establishes an objective standard that the defendant must be engaged in a Conscious plan to seek out and expose undercover Intelligence operatives where such conduct would Impair U.S. intelligence efforts. I have been convinced beyond a rea- sonable doubt that this legislation is needed to prohibit the systematic ex- posure of agents' Identities under cir- cumstances that pose a clear threat to intelligence activities vital to the Na- tion's defense. I am also convinced that this bill goes to great lengths to distinguish between the ghoulish busi- ness of furnishing the enemies of the United States with information that Invites and facilitates violence against its agents and mere reporting. I am satisfied with the terms of this bill and the protection that it affords. I Approved For Release 2008/09/25: CIA-RDP85-00003R000200060010-9 Approved For Release 2008/09/25: CIA-RDP85-00003R000200060010-9 S 2136 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD - SENATE encourage all of my colleagues to sup- port this bill and its goals-* Mr. DECONCINI. Mr. President, S. 391, the Intelligence Identities Protec- tion Act of 1981, is an extremely im- portant bill, and I have been noting its progress, along with the progress of its counterpart in the other Chamber, H.R. 4, with great interest. I strongly support this bill because I believe that it is essential that we provide adequate protection to our intelligence agents. The pernicious practice of naming names of U.S. intelligence agents must be brought to a halt. This practice has a negative impact on our intelligence gathering system in two ways; not only does it compromise the interests of the United States by hampering the effectiveness of our intelligence activi- ties, it also has the more immediate and tragic effect of placing the lives and freedom of our individual agents in the field in danger. There are, however, other interests which we must take into account, and it is one such additional interest which has led me to support Senator BIDEN's language, which is currently a part of S. 391, over the language proposed by Senator CHAFES. The difference be- tween these two proposals involves the standard of proof necessary to obtain a conviction under section 601(c) of the bill. Senator CHAFEE'S language would eliminate the requirement that, to be guilty of a crime under the bill, a person must have specific intent "to impair or impede intelligence activities by the fact of identification and expo- sure" of agents. The amendment would substitute "reason to believe" for "specific intent," thereby reaching any investigative reporter who writes an article which identifies a covert agent. The individual's lack of purpose to impair or impede intelligence activi- ties, and even his lack. of knowledge that such a result would occur, would be irrelevant. Thus, the "reason to be- lieve" standard would be the equiva- lent of a negligence standard. I feel that such a standard would have a substantial chilling effect on the legitimate activities of the Na- tion's newspapers and news media, an effect that could well bring the law into direct conflict with the first amendment. Indeed, I have recently conferred with several representatives of the new media from my home State of Arizona, and they indicated to me that the language authored by Sena- tor BIDEN would grant them the con- stitutionally requisite freedom of action in this area of press activity. I believe that S. 391, with Senator BIDEN'S language intact, will allow us. to stop the purposeful revelation of our agents' identities which currently threaten our intelligence activities, while at the same time allowing this Nation's news media to continue their legitimate reporting and investigatory activities as envisioned by the Bill of Rights. I am certain that this bill will meet the concerns that were expressed by the Director of the Central Intelli- gence Agency to the Committee on the Judiciary, and that it will raise morale significantly within that agency. I urge the active support of my col- leagues for this bill so that we may enact it into law as quickly as possible. EXECUTIVE SESSION Mr. STEVENS. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the Senate go into executive session for the purpose of considering the protocol to the North Atlantic Treaty -on accession of Spain; that the treaty be advanced through its various parliamentary stages, up to and including the resolu- tion of ratification; and, that, on the resolution of ratification, there be the following time agreement: 1 hour, to be equally divided between the chair- man of the Foreign Relations Commit- tee and the ranking minority member or their designees; and that no reser- vations, amendments, declarations, or understandings be in order; and that, following conclusion of that treaty, the Senate turn to the nomination of Max L. Friedersdorf, of Florida to be consular officer and secretary in the Diplomatic Service of the United States, under a time agreement as fol- lows: 30 minutes to be equally divided between the chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee and the ranking minority member or their designees and that, following that, the Senate turn to the confirmation of Calendar Nos. 616 and 667. Mr. ROBERT C. BYRD. Mr. Presi- dent, reserving the right to object, I shall not object. I am authorized by Mr. PELL to proceed on the basis of the time agreements that have been stated by the distinguished assistant Republi- can leader, so there is no objection on this side. Mr. STEVENS. Is the time agree- ment agreed to, Mr. President? The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is there objection? Without objection, it is so ordered. PROTOCOL TO THE NORTH AT- LANTIC TREATY ON THE AC- CESSION OF SPAIN Mr. STEVENS. Mr. President, I now ask that the Senate go into executive session pursuant to that agreement and that the Senate turn to the con- sideration of the protocol under the agreement. The PRESIDING OFFICER. With- out objection, it is so ordered; and without objection, the treaty will be considered as having passed through its various parliamentary stages up to and including the presentation of the resolution of ratification, which the clerk will state. The assistant legislative clerk read as follows: Resolved, (two-thirds of the Senators pres- ent concurring therein), That the Senate advise and consent to the ratification of the Protocol to the North Atlantic Treaty on March 16, 1982 the Accession of Spain, signed in Brussels on December 10, 1981, on behalf of the United States and the other parties to the North Atlantic Treaty. Mr. PERCY. Mr. President, I see in the Chamber the distinguished Sena- tor from Rhode Island (Mr. PELL), the ranking minority member of the For- eign Relations Committee, and today, with a great sense of personal pleasure and privilege, I call upon the Senate to discharge a very significant responsi- bility. In these time when we all spend our days grappling with international crises and intractable domestic eco- nomic problems, it is a lift to the spir- its to turn to the business of Senate advise and consent to the ratification of the protocol to the North Atlantic Treaty on the accession of Spain. On November 26, 1981, the Spanish Senate authorized the Government of Spain to seek an invitation to join NATO. In Brussels, on December 10, 1981, the Foreign Ministers of NATO members signed the protocol of Span- ish accession to the North Atlantic Treaty. President Reagan on January 26, 1982, transmitted the protocol to the Senate for its advise and consent to ratification, calling Spain's rededi- cation to the values and purposes un- derlying the North Atlantic Treaty and her decision to seek full partner- ship in NATO "historic developments and a source of inspiration in these troubles times." The Committee on Foreign Relations considered the pro- tocol, reporting it to the full Senate favorably and without reservation on March 9, recommending that the Senate give its advise and consent to ratification. Today we have a unique opportunity to show our support for the new Spanish democracy, signifi- cantly strengthen the North Atlantic Alliance, and demonstrate the vitality of common Western values and insti- tutions. Spain's transition to democracy is an example of what a people determined to control its own destiny can accom- plish. The death of General Franco in 1975 signaled the beginning of a new era in Spanish history. Since that time, Spain has made extraordinary progress in the restoration and strengthening of her democratic insti- tutions. Senate endorsement of Span- ish entry into NATO would confirm American support for this process. U.S. relations with Spain have, for many years, been characterized by a deep mutual respect and understand- ing. The United States places great im- portance on continuing this climate of cooperation. Since 1953, the United States and Spain have enjoyed a close bilateral military relationship, and Spain has made important contribu- tions to Western security. Spanish NATO membership will broaden this bilateral cooperation and, at the same time, substantially enhance Western unity and security. Approved For Release 2008/09/25: CIA-RDP85-00003R000200060010-9