CODELS BAKER AND SIMPSON MEETING WITH FOREIGN SECRETARY CASTANEDA

• Document Type: CREST
• Collection: General CIA Records
• Document Number (FOIA) /ESDN (CREST): CIA-RDP84B00148R000300770055-0
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• Original Classification: C
• Document Page Count: 4
• Document Creation Date: December 22, 2016
• Document Release Date: January 7, 2011
• Sequence Number: 55
• Publication Date: January 19, 1982
• Content Type: CABLE

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SUBJECTS CUDELS BAKER AND SIMPSON MEETING WITH FOREIGN
SECRETARY CASTANEDA
2, SUMMARY, UkAFT NOT CLEARED WITH CODELS bAKEI ANU
SIMPSUN, CUDELS BAKER AND SIMPSON ACCOMPANIED BY
AMBASSADOR JOHN GAVIN MET WITH GUM FQREICiN SECRETARY
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JORGE CASTANEDA AT SRE. JANUARY 13 AT 1230. CODEL RAKER
SOUGHT TO ASCERTAIN THE ROLE THAT MEXICO WOULD PLAY.IN
THE CENTRAL AMERICA AREA. CASTANEDA STRESSED THE
SIMILAkiTY OF U.S.. AND MEXICO OBJECTIVES AND THE
DIFFERING PERSPECTIVES ON THE NATURE OF THE PROBLEMS
AND TACTICS FUR SOLVING THEM. AFTER THE DISCUSSION OF
CENTRAL AMERICA. SENATOR SIMPSON TOUCHED ON IMMIGRATION
PROBLEMS AND ASKED CASTANEDA.FOR HIS VIEWS. THE FOREIGN
SECRETARY WAS NONCOMMITTAL. END SUMMARY.
30,: PRELIMINARY OBSERVATIONS. PARTICIPATING IN THE;,,.,,.
MEETING WITH CASTANEDA WERE SENATORS BAKER.LAXALT,''`
ASENCIU AND SEVERAL STAFF AIDES. AS AN INTRODUCTION.
SENATOR BAKER BRIEFLY DES-GRIBED THE CODEL VISIT TO THE
SOUTHERN CONE STATES. WHERE OFFICIALS HAD REPEATEDLY
STRESSED THE IMPORTANCE OF MEXICO IN CENTRAL AMERICAN
AFFAIRS. #-!E' ASKED CASTANEDA. "*HAT ROLE CAN OR SHOULD,
MEXICO PLAY?" AFTER INSISTING THAT HE COULD MERELY
REITERATE THE VIEWS EXPRESSED EARLIER BY LOPEZwPORTILLO,
?CASTANEDA REPLIEDt
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wwwwwwwow-HISTUkIC PROBLEMS OF MALDISTkIBUTION OF WEALTH
.wwwwwwwwwwAND POWER;
wwmwwwwwwwTHE EXPERIENCES OF THE MEXICAN REVOLUTION
wwwwwwwwmwINFLUENCE MEXICO'S VIEWS AND APPRECIATION OF
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SENATOR BAKER Ot3SERVED THAT IN 1910 CUBA HAD NUT INTERVCNEU
IN THk MEXICAN REVOLUTION. CASTANEDA RESPONDED THAT IT
WAS TRUE THAT MEXICO HAD BEEN ABLE TO HAVE A NUNSCUMMUNIST
REVOLUTION bECAUSE IT WAS PPE-COMMUNIST, BUT THAT THIS
DID NUT CHANGE THE BASIC SIMILARITY OF INTOLERABLE SITUA-
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TIUNS IN WHICH A FEW FAMILIES AIDED BY AN
.ARMY OPPOSED A POPULAR STRUGGLE.
4. CUbA. SENATOR BAKER EXPRESSED THE FEAR THAT THE USSR
ASSISTED by CUBA WOULD INSTALL MILITARY DICTATORSHIPS
MORE REPRESSIVE THAN ANY PREVIOUSLY KNOWN IN CENTRAL
AMERICA, DISAGREEING WITH THIS INTERPRETATION, CASTANEDA
SAID THAT THE USSR COULD NOT AFFORD TO REPEAT 11$ UNHAPPY
.EXPERIENCE WITH CUBA, AND THAT THE SOVIET UNION WANTED A
NORMALIZATION OF RELATIONS BETWEEN THE U.So AND CUBA. HE
ADDED THAT.CASTRO HIMSELF WANTS THIS NORMALIZATION,
BAKER ASKED WHETHER SUCH A RAPPROCHEMENT WOULD LEAD TO
THE REMOVAL OF CUBAN TROOPS FROM ETHIOPIA OR ANGOLA,
CASTANEDA REPLIED THAT IT MIGHT, BECAUSE CASTRO REALIZES
THAT HE WILL PkOBABLY HAVE TO PAY A HIGH PRICE FOR
NORMALIZATION. WHEN ASKED IF THIS OOULU ALSO INCLUDE A
REDUCTION OF CUBAN INFLUENCE IN EL SALVADOR AND NICARAGUA,
CASTANEDA URGED THE U.S. TO PUT PRESSURE ON THE CUBANS BY
OFFERING TO NEGOTIATE WITH THEM. ACCORDING TO CASTANEDA,
CASTRU.IN RETURN WANTS A LIFTING OF THE EMBARGO, AN END
TO.SANCTIONSI AN 'OVERALL NORMALIZATION OF RELATIONS, AND
ULTIMATELY TH.E RETUPN OF GUANTANAMO 6AY.
.59NICARAGUA AND EL SALVADOR. SENATOR HOLLINGS--ASKED
IF CASTANEDA WERE NOT WORRIED BY CUBAN ACTIVITIES- IN
NICARAGUA AND EL SALVADOR, CASTANEDA COUNTERED BY SAYING
THAT WHILE THE CUBANS MIGHT BE ASSISTING THE REBELS. THE
REAL ISSUE WAS NOT ONE OF MILITARY VICTORY BUT OF POLITI-
CAL AGREEMENT. HE RHETORICALLY ASKED WHETHER THE COMING
ELECTIUNS IN EL SALVADOR WCULD HAVE ANY POLITICAL MEANING
WITHOUT A PRIOR POLITICAL SETTLEMENT. IN THE CASE OF
NICARAGUA HE SAID THAT WHILE FREE ELECTIONS WERE DEFINITELY
NEEDED AFTER THE REVOLUTION, NICARAGUA OAS NUT A LOST
CAUSEi HE ADDED THAT IF THE U.S. REPEATED ITS PREVIOUS
EXPEkIENCE WITH CUBA, HOWEVER, ALL WOULD BE LOST. HE
CONCLUDED THAT THE U.S. COULD SALVAGE NICARAGUA ..UT THAT
IT WOULD REQUIRE ASSISTANCE AND BARGAINING (E.G. THE UoS,
,SHOULD SUGGEST THAT NICARAGUA REDUCE THE NUMbEk OF CUBAN
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TEACHERS IN THE COUNTRY BY 1000). SENATOR HOLLINGS URGED
MEXICO TO PLAY A LEADERSHIP ROLE IN NICARAGUA AND NOT TO
$IT ON THE SIDELINES. CASTANEDA AGREED THAT MORE COULD
BE DONE WITH BETTER COORDINATION BETWEEN THE U.S..AND
MEXICO. WHAT WAS REALLY NEEDED. HE SAID. WERE DIRECT
DISCUSSIONS BETWEEN THE MAIN PROTAGONISTS. NAMELY THE U.S.
AND CUBA AND THE U.S. AND NICARAGUA a EACH OF WHOM HAS
DISTINCT INTERESTS. CASTANEDA REGRETTED THAT THE RECENT
.:TALKS-BETWEEN THE U.S. AND NICARAGUA AT ST. LUCIA MAD GONE
BADLY AND BLAMED THE NICARAGUANS FOR HANDLING MATTERS
. AND NUT FOLLOWING MEXICAN ADVICE.
IMMIGRATION. AFTER NOTING THAT 50-60 OF ILLEGAL
.ALIENS IN THE U.S. WERE MEXICAN. SENATOR.SIMPSON SAID
THAT DOMESTIC POLITICAL PRESSURES MADE SOME FORM OF
IMMIGRATION LEGISLATION INEVITABLE. HE ASKED CASTANEDA
FOR SUGGESTIONS ON HOW THE U.S. COULD T?I?GHTf N ITS
IMMIGRATIUN POLICIES WITHOUT BEING HARMFUL TO MEXICO.
ASIDE FROM REFERRING TO MEXICAN PRESS DISTORTIONS OF THE
'SILVA?PROGRAM TERh,INATION? CASTANEDA GAVE NO RESPONSE.
'.He-$'A10 THAT SENATOR SIMPSON WOULD HAVE AMPLE .OPPORTUNITY
TO DISCUSS THE.ISSUE WITH THE MINISTER OF-'LABOR. GAVIN
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