MINUTES TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTEENTH MEETING

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DIRECTOR OF CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE
Security Committee
SECOM-M-215
30 August 1978
Minutes
Two Hundred and Fifteenth Meeting
Wednesday, 30 August 1978, 1000-1150 Hours
Room 7D32, Langley Headquarters Building
Robert W. Gambino
Chairman
Presiding
MEMBERS PRESENT
Central Intelligence Agency
Defense Intelligence Agency
Mr. Harvey E. Lyon, Department of.Energy
Col. Russell T. Newman, Department of the Air Force
Mr. Jerry Rubino, Department of Justice
Mr. David Ryan, Federal Bureau of Investigation
Mr. Richard Welch, Department of the Navy
Mr. Dennis Southern, Department of the Treasury
ALTERNATES PRESENT
Mr. Frank Dill, Department of the Army
National Security Agency
Mr. Edward Crigalus, Federal Bureau of Investigation
Mr. David Humphrey, Department of the Treasury
Maj. Henry R. Koch, Department of the Air Force
Ca t. Burton J. Larkins. Department of the Navy
Defense Intelligence Agency
Defense Intelligence Agency
ALSO PRESENT
Mr. Donald Stigers, Department of State
Mr. Maynard Anderson, Office of Deputy Under Secretary of Defense
Mr. Department of the Air Force
Chairman, R&D Subcommittee
Executive Secretary, RFD Subcommittee 25X1
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ALSO PRESENT (continued)
Subcommittee
Acting Chairman, Computer Security
Chairman, Security Awareness Working
Executive Secretary, Security Committee
Security Committee
Central Intelligence Agency
Central Intelligence Agency
Central Intelligence Agency
Central Intelligence Agency
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SPECIAL BRIEFING
The Chairman announced that the videotape film
presentation by NSA on telephone security hazards (Item 3 25X1
on they agenda) would be presented first to avoid time conflicts.
PRELIMINARY COMMENTS
1. The Chairman noted membership changes as follows:
Mr. Carl Ackerman has replaced Mr. Victor Dikeos as the Depart-
ment of State member; Mr. Richard Welch and Captain Burton
Larkins are the new Navy. member and alternate; Mr. Maynard
Anderson is now an observer representing the Department of
Defense (Admiral Murphy); and the Department of Justice is
now represented on the Committee with Mr. Jerry Rubino being
their member.
2. IIThe Chairman advised that compartmentation issues
were getting an increasing amount of high level attention.
He noted that the DCI had taken a personal interest with a
view towards reducing the administrative burden of compartmented
systems and increasing t tility of intelligence data. Mr.
Gambino advised that the system was being reviewed by a
small staff headed by Mr. Gambino noted that
3 agencies (NSA, Army and CIA) had commented on the draft compart-
mentation DCID. He said his discussions on this with Admiral
Inman and had not yet identified common ground.
He asked the representatives of those agencies which supported
the DCID to get their positions stated in writing so that this
matter could be referred to the NFIB for resolution of differ-
ences. Mr. Gambino noted the downstream impact of this proposal
(e.g., with regard to reviews of compartments as required by
E.O. 12065), and stressed the significance of this issue to the
Committee. Turning to zero-base reviews of SCI accesses, Mr.
Gambino advised that the results of an initial effort in this
effort showed that many accesses at Lawrence Livermore Labora-
tory could be cancelled. He said another CIA contractor would
soon be selected for comparable review.
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3. I The Chairman invited members' attention to
the provisions of the DCI Guidelines for Legislative Branch
compartmented access. He noted that memoranda of understand-
ing with most Congressional committees included recognition
of the need for thorough investigations at DCID 1/14 standards
of committee staff members, being proposed for access. Mr.
Gambino. advised that the DCI is taking a strong stand on limit-
ing Congressional staff accesses to those on the staff of
committees directly concerned with intelligence matters.
4. The Chairman noted that NSA had briefed members
of the Technical Surveillance Countermeasures Subcommittee on
sensitive U. S. collection programs. Mr. Gambino said he
thought this satisfied current needs to keep Community person-
nel'directly concerned with defensive technical measures abreast
of offensive capabilities which could be used against us.
5. The Chairman advised that a CIA component,
with cooperation from NSA, Defense elements and the FBI, had
completed a draft of a study of damage assessments of compromises
resulting from hostile action. Mr. Gambino said the study should
become available during September.
6.1 The Chairman noted that a description of the
duties senior officers on the Community Security Group had been
written (members were provided copies), and advised that he
planned to ask the DCI to request NFIB members for nominations
of persons to fulfill those duties on a rotational, reimbursable
basis.
7. The Chairman noted. that the Department of
Defense a invited DCI participation in a substantially-funded
R&D program for physical security. Mr. Gambino said this was
a good opportunity for the Committee to focus on its R&D needs
and to seek to have them satisfied through joint effort with
Defense. He said would speak to this issue further in
his report on the u committee.
8. 0 The Chairman reminded members of the need to
provide names and clearance certifications at least 24 hours
in advance to the Committee staff when it was desired to hold
subcomittee or working group meetings at CIA Headquarters.
He noted that without such advance notice, "Visitor-No Escort"
badges could not be issued and delays in entry would be encountered.
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nauthorized Disclosures Working _Group.
summarized th results o "tTieir 22 August
meeting, and said a report would be sent to members in
a day or two.
f. Investigative Standards Working Group
said he believed the D D 1/-14 adjudication
pa icy and guidance should be very useful to the Com-
munity. He thanked Mr. O'Neill for chairing the sub-
group which drafted the report. Mr. Gambino asked that
all comments on the draft be sent tol- before 25X1
the next SECOM.meeting, with a view to taking final
committee action.on the draft 'at that time and subsequent
referral to the NFIB. Mr. Stigers asked whether the
guidance would be expanded to cover adverse adjudications
based on polygraph results. I replied that that
would be dealt with as an SCI turndown matter.
reported that the computer cards were now available for 25X1
the Community statistical study of DCID 1/14 investiga- 25X1
tions, which would begin this fall.
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g. SCI Turndown Working Group
noted that differences in approach to possible appeals
procedures for SCI access denials were still being
explored. Mr. Anderson advised that the issue of whether
there should be automatic appeals procedures for SCI
denials was still unresolved in Defense. Mr. Gambino
said further effort was needed on establishing a central
registry of SCI turndowns. Mr. Ryan said the FBI might
be receptive to maintaining such if they were formally
requested to do so. Mr. Gambino tasked to I
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advised that they were developing new security educational
materials for Community use.
ITEM 4: Old Business.
a. Air Force Request on Contractor Status
Colonel Newman briefed the committee on the highlig is 25X1
of their request that the operating contractor
for Arnold Engineering Development Center, Arnold Air
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Force Station, Tennessee, be designated as a Government
Owned Contractor Operated (GOCO) facility for purposes
of relief from DCID 1/7 controls on release of SCI to
contractors. Mr. Gambino summarized the Air Force case,
noting that he considered it a good one, and that the
SCI information to be'released was under the full control
of Air Force Personnel. After some discussion by members,
Mr. Gambino advised that the Air Force request was approved
as a matter of record. (A memorandum to this effect will
be distributed separately.) 25X1
b. (C) Foreign Disclosure Procedures for SCI.
Mr. Gambino note the irm o aections y
of the SIGINT Committee to Mr. Anderson'.s recommendations
on this issue. Mr. Gambino said he planned to discuss
this matter with Chairman of COMIR.EX, to see
if common ground could e reached. He noted that computer
records of officially disclosed SCI were maintained by
NSA and NPIC, and observed that these might be helpful
in constructing a system for better control of SCI. Mr.
Gambino said he planned to pursue this matter further
to obtain a DCI resolution on desired direction. Mr.
Anderson offered to assist in preparing a proposal in
this regard. Mr. Gambino said held be in tn?rh with
nim after he had talked with 25X1
ITEM 5: New Business.
a. IImpact of E.O. 12065. oted that 25X1
the ommi ee needed to consider changes required to adapt
Community security policies and procedures to the require-
ments of E. 0. 1.2065 and its implementing directive. He
cited the requirement for mandatory paragraph marking
and a change in the "Warning Notice" marking as examples.
He suggested that consideration be given to whether the
Community would benefit from overall classification guid-
ance for SCI information. Mr. Gambino tasked the Compart-
mentation Subcommittee to develop a plan of action with
milestones in these regards for presentation not later
than the September SECOM meeting. offered 25X1
to share with Colonel Newman a 1977 Committee staff
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proposal for a DCID on paragraph marking.
b. Control of Sensitive Documents.
a vise that the Defense members -of tie Committee
had concluded that it would be helpful to explore whether
technical devices could be better used to aid in the con-
trol of sensitive documents. He said they had also agreed
that methods for the control of reproduction of documents
should be explored. Mr. Gambino said he would welcome
Isaid they would examine these subjects and report
back to the committee.
ITEM 6: Next Meeting.
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The Chairman scheduled the next SECOM meeting for
Wednesday, 27 September 1978, at 1000 in room 7D32, CIA
Headquarters. Mr. Gambino advised that we should by then have 25X1
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State rQ?resentatiye would brief the Committee on the security
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DIRECTOR OF CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE
Security Committee
SECOM-M-214
19 July 1978
Minutes
Two Hundred and Fourteenth
0-Meetingurs
Wednesday, 19 July 1978,
Room 2E465, The Pentagon
Robert W. Gambino
Chairman
Presiding
MEMBERS PRESENT
Central Intelligence Agency
era1 Bureau of Investigation
National Security Agency
Anaersan, Department of the Navy
Mr Maynar
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Mr. Harvey Lyon, Department of Energy
Mr. Merrill T. Kelly, Department of the Army
ALTERNATES PRESENT
Maj. Henry Koch, Department of the Air Force
Mr. Norman Enis, Department of Treasury
'd Hum hrey, Department of Treasury
e,r_ I National Security Agency
M Richar Welch De artmeDnt of efensehIntelligence Agency
Mr. E war raga us, Fe eral Bureau of Investigation
Mr. Frank Dill, Department of the Army
Tnta11iYenr.e Agency
Lnaarman, security Awareness Working
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*Brigadier General James Teal, of the Navy
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Captain B. G. Lark
Inthe Army
*Maj. Jack -Za-Dartment of
telligence Agency
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SPECIAL BRIEFING
The Army member hosted the July Committee meeting.
Brigadier General James Teal welcomed the Committee and
encouraged attention of the Committee to security interests
and concerns of the Army. A presentation was made by
Major Jack Wolf, Plans Staff, on the present organization,
structure, and functions of the Army Intelligence.
PRELIMINARY COMMENTS
1. 0 The Chairman introduced Mr. Harvey Lyon,
DOE member, who noted that Mr. L. Taylor had retired on
disability.
2. 0 The Chairman informed members of the upcoming
resignation of who has served with the
Security Committee a as secretary for the past two years.
The Chairman expressed appreciation for the work she has
done, commended her dedication, and speaking for the Staff,
extended best wishes in her future undertakings.
3. IIThe departure of Mr. Victor Dikeos from
Security ommittee membership rolls was mentioned. Mr. Dikeos
is being reassigned in the Department of State. He will be
succeeded at State by Mr. Carl Ackerman.
4. The Chairman informed members that the Compart-
mentation Su committee has completed the updating of a
Community listing of SCI approvals for Legislative Branch
personnel. CIB now has updated their holdings using this
list. Members are requested to check with CIB for current
information on these accesses. The Chairman recalled, for
members' information, that, the DCI has reserved the authority
to approve all such accesses.
S. The Chairman informed that the DCI has sent a
letter to a Secretary of Defense soliciting his assistance
in ensuring that sufficient resources were allocated to person-
nel security investigation in Defense as called for in DCID 1/16.
The Chairman also mentioned that the stipulation that the
DCID 1/16 pertains to intelligence sources and methods ha.d been
reinserted during review of gaily proofs in compliance with
desires of some members.
6. The Chairman commented that he was in receipt
of nominations from NSA and the FBI for staff positions on the
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