CONVERSATION WITH SECRETARY OF STATE, 12 MAY 1980 (U)

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• Publication Date: May 13, 1980
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MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD
SUBJECT: Conversation with Secretary of State,
12 May 1980
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1. Ron Spiers (D/INR sat in on the meeting. I went through the discussion
outline point by point.
2. On the PDB, he did not indicate a preference for e
ither a subst
antive
person to deliver it or writing notes. I told him we would
do either or
both.
I pointed out that he might get a little more wholesome ans
wer if it wer
e
staffed and returned to him the next morning. We'll just h
ave to wait a
nd see
what he-says as time goes on.
3. I showed him a number of our products. He showed
genuine inter
est in
them. I to
ld him we would tailor anything to his needs.
4. He
asked if for his forthcoming meeting with Gromy
ko we could p
rovide
him any information on what might be on Gromyko's mind. I told him that we
could have our Soviet experts try to deduce what Gromyko might raise, but that
in this case we were Let's do a hasty look
at whether we can ge some ng ge er o m we could send by message
that would forecast Gromyko's outlook at this time.
5. We talked about the Presidential briefs and his coming. I didn't get
any specifics on areas that he wanted covered, but when I told him we might do
a. Southwest Asia-Middle East regional survey he thought that would be helpful.
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10. I gave him my proposed itinerary for my trip to Africa and asked
if Ron Spiers could shop it through Dick Moose to get eneral approval. Ron
indicated he would do so and took it off with him.
11. The Secretary was very tired and very behind schedule.
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12 May 1980 Meeting with Secretary Muskie
Following are tabs with topics for discussion at this initial meeting.
TAB SUBJECT
A Muskie Brief - DCI Notes
B General (DCI role, briefing of President,
meetings with SecState)
C PDB (Dick Kerr briefed on Saturday; talking points
he used at this tab)
D I NR
E Special Collection
F , Covert Action
Possible Handouts: Material from
You might want to query Muskie re any additional
support he would like for his NATO, Vienna meetings
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Sen. Edmund S. Muskie
of Waterville
Democrat-Jan. 3, 1959
b. Mar. 28; 1914-Lawyer
224-5344
Bates Col., B.A., 1936; Cor-
nell U., LL.B., 1939; USNR;
WWII practicing atty.,
Waterville; Maine House of
Reps., 1947-51; Floor Lead-
er, 1949-51; U.S. House of
Reps; Governor of Maine,
1955-59; Democratic V.P.
candidate, 1969. Catholic,
married, five children.
TRA8r1 USE ONLY
Senator Edmund S. Muskie (D., Maine)
Committees
Budget, Chairman
Environment and Public Works
Environmental Pollution, Chairman
Regional and Community Development
Resource Protection
'Foreign Relations
African Affairs
East Asian and Pacific Affairs
Western Hemisphere Affairs
Comments
DCI met with Senators Muskie and Bellmon (R., Okla.),
Chairman and Ranking Minority Member respectively of the
Senate Budget Committee regarding intelligence budgetary'
information. Senator Muskie favored an open budget.
Received briefing byl on verification aspects
of the SALT'II Treaty, February, 9.
As Chairman of the Budget Committee, Senator Muskie expressed
an interest in the Agency's assessment of the world grain
situation and outlook for the next year and a half. Our report,
entitled "World Supply and Demand for Grain, 1979/80", was
prepared in response to this request and forwarded to the Senator
in September, 1979.
Received a briefing on the current situation in Afghanistan
and Iran, January, 1980.
Senator Muskie in his capacity as Chairman of the Senate
Budget Committee was in the chair when the DCI briefed that
Committee on 26 February 1980 on the Worldwide Wrap-Up.
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Secretary Muskie Agenda
1. Here to help
Will send substantive man
Or respond to notes
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3. Lots of other product
NIEs - Major Community assessments
Etc.
4. Tailored support
INR good - limited resources
Anything immediate
5. Presidential Briefs
Glad joining
Topics - Crises
Regional, country. topical
Intell ops, programs
Areas want covered r
Reading M.E. regional review
Other areas to follow
Hope for discussion.
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Philosophy - must support policy - must have a policy
Over expectations
Specific/General
Clearance thru SCC/Pres/8 Committees.
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Teamwork
Priorities
PRC.(I)
NITS
Ambassadorial relations
No surprises
Sensitive collection
My obligation to ID to SCC Chairman
Covert action
Since 11/78 increasing
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MUSKIE BRIEF
I. How we help you
PDB ( Le? ~~~~?s k II&S ~u 45 a4. 'rAG 0)
NIE, IM, CIA studies
Available thru INR
General support to INR J TAB
Special requests
Any special needs at start?
II. Presidential Briefings
Areas you want covered in Presidential Briefings soon?
Mid East - SW Asia may be candidate
Hope for more discussion
III. Where need your help
1. Guidance - priorities
2. Teamwork overseas
No surprises
3. Sensitive collection
ZB -
Special case
(Surprise to Amb.)
4. Covert action
Philosophy -
In support
Must have US policy
Categories
Procedures
Extant programs
tea. E
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? Intelligence advisor to President and NSC
- Especially to SecState (ZB, SecDef)
- Intelligence input to crisis management situations
- Provide intelligence perspective at SCC, PRC, NSC meetings
? Regular meetings with President, SecState, SecDef and ZB
- Meetings with President
(1) crisis oriented (a lot since November)
(No=te-:=-Do=70"an-t- -o--d-is-cuss--Resc-rxe?R
(2) substantive briefings (regional, coy};try, topical)
- Purpose has been to provide intelligence assessments,
judgments on key foreign policy concerns
- Meetings with SecState
- T-r+i weekly schedule permitting
- Object
- 0r494Aa-U-week 1-y,-=-rrow biweekly
- These have been:
(1) Brief SecState on what briefedrsident
ko) ueai witn Agency-State issues
- Glad you're now attending Presidential Briefings
- Hope to provide overview (by key regions) of key
issues for consideration, discussion
- Any region you would like to have me touch on at
21 May meeting (Middle East, Europe, Central America)?
- What is useful for me is feedback
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Policymaker's key concerns so can focus Community productively
Your attendance at Presidential Briefings will help
Regular meetings with you help more
Most useful, too, would be opportunity to meet with you
(& Brown, ZB, Pres.) when you meet and discuss your major
foreign policy concerns
? Like to touch, at this first meeting, on only a few areas that you
should be aware of
- INR as part of Community
- Special Collection
- Covert Action
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DEPUTY
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PDB Talking Points for DCI Meeting with Senator Mu.skie
I: Three copies -- Brzezinski for President and Vice President,
Brown, and you
A. Enables us to use most sensitive intelligence material
-- italicized in text or occasionally on separate red-border
B. And address ongoing policy issues not appropriate for
wider-dissem NID
II. Written with President's schedule/interests in mind
A. Present format reflects his desire for
-- broader coverage of world events
-- detail on Iran/Afghanistan
III. Deliver to your office early a.m. at your convenience (every;
day but never on Sunday)
A. Courier will wait while you read and return with copy.
B. Can cable when you are out of town.
C. President gets copy by facsimile transmission when at
Camp David
IV. Welcome your questions/comments
A. Can be written on PDB; we will get back with response
B. Always interested in suggestions of subjects deserving
coverage.
V.. Per the President's instructions, the PDB is not to be shown
to subordinates or staff
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? INR
a SecState's own intelligence support office
? Also major part of Community
- All of which at his disposal through you
? INR's Community role
- Drafts and reviews NIEs, other major assessments (role in
drafting has increased substantially in recent years)
- Major contribution in assuring our collection priorities match
foreign policy priorities
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- Especially helpful in targetting Embassy reporting on
key issues and countries
"Proprietor"
? ? Good relationship
- Community meetings
- DDCI, DDO, DD/NFA deal directly withINR
- Staffs deal directly
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DESCRIPTION OF APPROVAL PROCESS
Generation of Proposal
May come from any agency or the White House
Development of Proposal
-- Consultation at Political Intelligence Working
Group (PIWG)
-- Consultation with appropriate ambassadors
-- Consultation by the DDCI with Under Secretary Newsom
or by Operations Directorate officers with their
geographic counterparts, usually at the Assistant
Secretary level.
Preparation of Proposal
CIA prepares a paper for distribution, via NSC channels,
prior (usually) to the SCC meeting. Drafting and coordination
is handled on a compartmented basis. Within CIA, we coordinate
with NFAC, OGC, OLC, and the Comptroller.
If the SCC approves, the Presidential Finding is forwarded
to the President for his signature. After the President
signs the finding, appropriate committees of Congress are 25X1
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