CONVERSATION WITH (Sanitized), GENERAL COUNSEL, NSA, RE ERVIN SUBCOMMITTEE AND S. 782

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• Document Creation Date: December 16, 2016
• Document Release Date: March 1, 2005
• Sequence Number: 35
• Publication Date: August 6, 1969
• Content Type: MFR

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6 Magnet 196,
SUBJECT t Conversation with
Soucy and NSA personality tests.
General Counsel. N:
General Counsel, NSA, and in
ughion. re response to the Chai rruan's letter of I kugust con
conncerning publication of the DC1's testimony
STAT
a, 1 advised that in talking to Miss MacNaughton
this morning only the question of ~geucy policy since 1966 was covered.
W. had not touched on the question of the effect of the pending legislation
ion Agency ncy use of personality tests. I also advised that I told Miss MacNaughton
that I is not in the position to comment for NS.\. It was noted that
Mice Mac,ugton gave the impression she had talked to since STAT
my m eseti with her last night or that she was sufficiently up-to-date
"wt*rzing A's policies to know that there had been no change in NSA
cg since 1966. Advise we are in the process of preparing
a response to Senator Ervin outlining in general terms a possible application
or effect of the legislation on our testing program and reiterating that there
has been no a in our policy since 1966 and suggested that it might be
well if NSA were now to respond directly in their name to the Subcommittee.
I accepted the suggestion without question.
THE RECORD
rvin Subcommittee and
ubgommittse, last night's meeting with Miss Mar
Lad Mr. Larry, Baskir, and this morning's conversation with
that Miss MacNaugbton had relays,
be helpful for the Subconwdtteee if NS k were
final draft is prepared and that he would appreciate a call
Lnt f+ests that he can demonstrate ample change
The converses oo closed on a note that be will touch base
"+od faith" changes in their policy or program since
MacNaughton about the outcome of today's boa ring.
STAT
Assistant Legislative Counsel
Subject I - DCC
DDS I - Chrono
OLC/JCOsge(T &ugust 1969)
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4H TIAL
6 August 1969
TkM l ZCORD
$U , CT 3 Conversation with Sanati
ro S. 782 (Zrvln Bill)
'h (D. , W.
Rtor Birch Eeyh (D.. Ind.) and Larry Conrad,
ire this mar: sg's session of the
S. 782 (Ervin HU).
said:
pasted by :rvin's apparent edge of
lously seeking a compromis, to avoid
iUt trying to salvage all he can.
's Subcommittee meeting all m*mbers
accupatlon with that Safe and debater)
Byrd and Thurmond.
for . and N...: t ayh a
to "emption; ilruska and Pon advocated
n along the gone rat lines of the Agency "fall
khough not present, expressed
p-` his position that he p-ereonally favored complete
limited ewze ption.
ownwoon but in deference to the Chairman would seals
A. After considerable discussion of Er vin's prop"94
1 complaints must be settled by administrative
ad could be ended with the approval of the bed, rd on
ample to keep the 1Zg days limitation but provide that this
psoees ra wit3 the '-,geacy within 120 days, it was agreed in
Ofs Rights where circumstances justified.
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It was aged in principle that the Director
authorised to designate by category of employee,
dual case, employees or Applicants
raequirod to sett to the polygraph. ; slrcho-
or inquiries into personal relationships.
attitudes on sea tiers or nan l status.
It was agreed In principle that outside co rei
-d in by aggrieved employees provided they
cy security clearance in advance.
Pees#bly the r ost troublesome prw4sion in the
ro se proposal was that specifically reaffirming
is authority set forth in ea 1O& (c) of the
Security -. fit of 1947. It was agreed in principle to
,prevision by specifying that this authority could
Ir in cases affefi the national se s rtty.f In a
rersatton with I _j r MacNaught? n, STAT
staff, indicated that any reference to 10Z (c)
sad. ameadmient would be unacceptable.)
,or ayh and Mr. Conrad will consult us
they ohtdn a copy of the amended version
boing drafted by the Subcommittee staff on the
I's Subcommittee meeting.
e tor Layh we were deeply grateful for bis very
moat of the above - noted:
would baave to stand fast in Prose",
authority under Section 102 (c) of the National
STAT
MA URY
Counsel
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