MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD FROM L. K. WHITE

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• Publication Date: October 9, 1969
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MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD
Morning Meeting of 9 October 1969
ADD/I noted that he and the DD/P will be participating in a
presentation at the National War College later this morning. *m
ADD/I explained the problems created by the sanitization of
the report on Soviet swept-wing aircraft (see Morning Meeting Minutes
of 6 October). Maury added that, in the normal course of the DIA
legislative liaison's responsibilities to provide briefing materials for
Chairman Rivers, this sanitized report can be expected to appear in
the briefing materials and cause Chairman Rivers to question our
earlier advice that the report was too sensitive for his review. After
some discussion on the best way to handle this matter, the Director
asked that Parrott or Maury call I land ask that the
report not be included in the DIA legislative liaison's briefing materials
for Chairman Rivers.
In response to the question of the ADD/I, the Director briefed on
his recent attendance at the Export Control Review Board. He compli-
mented OER on the material provided on the utilization of computers
in connection with the work of the Board.
ADD/I noted the completion of a report on the Soviet defense
budget in terms of its relationship with the Soviet GNP. The Director
concurred in the ADD/I's providing Dr. Kissinger with a copy of this
report with the proviso that Dr. Kissinger be reminded this report
was undertaken in response to the President's request.
The Director noted press reports giving us credit for the Sino/
Soviet talks.
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DD/S reported that yesterday's fire drill went off satisfactorily,
with all personnel clearing the building in thirteen minutes.
I Carver noted that they are making an effort to
assemble Laotian order-of-battle information for possible use during
the Symington hearings.
Parrott briefed on pending business with PFIAB and noted its
requirements to assess the threat, General Maxwell Taylor's list of
questions with respect to how we developed NIE 11-8, and briefing
requirements for Admiral Anderson's panel. He added that Admiral
Anderson's panel includes Governor Rockefeller and Frank Pace and
is scheduled to meet at 4 p. m. on 13 October.
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DDCI reported that he has a note from the Executive Director
with respect to the projected meeting
and noted that he will be discussing this with t e Director o ay.
The Director called the DD/S&T's attention to the item by Walter
Sullivan in today's New York Times, "Kapitsa for U. S. -Soviet Convergence. "
'The Director pointed to the high value he would attach to any
collection effort which would clarify our material
The Director noted the President's appreciation to all here who
worked on verification data. He asked the DD/S&T and the ADD/I to
get together and recommend how best to convey the President's appre-
ciation to those concerned.
The Director noted that Souvanna Phouma handled the press well.
In response to the Director's question the DD/P briefed on the military
situation in Laos and Vang Pao's determination to hold ground.
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The Director briefed on yesterday's NSC meeting.
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**For the record, the Executive Director and DD/S&T are also
participating in the National War College presentation.
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 By WALTER SULLIVAN
Special to The New York Times
WASHINGTON, Oct. 8 - Dr.
Pyotr L. Kapitsa, dean of Soviet
physicists, aligned himself to-
day with a little-heard-from
group of Soviet scientists who
believe in the ultimate conver-
gence of the Soviet and Ameri-
can systems of government.
At a news conference mid-
way through his first visit to
this country Dr. Kapitsa en-
dorsed the idea, championed in
an essay by Dr. Andrei D. Sa-
kharov, that only through such
convergence can the two great
powers avoid a fatal clash. ( Dr. Pyotr L. Kapitsa and his wife attending a reception at
creasingly democratic and the privately last year by Dr. Sak-
Western governments would harov, one of the most brilliant
,f-greater government planning) The document was obtained
and social benefits-that is, by The New. York Times, trans-
The convergence idea rejects pages of its issue of July 22,
the classic Marxist view of ulti- 1968.
mate economic collapse and The convergence theory is
world. It was set fourth at adherents of Soviet dogma.
length in the essay circulated However, Dr. Kapitsa, now 75
of the Order of Lenin and a
member of the Presidium of
the Soviet Academy of Sci-
ences, stated his own view with-
out hesitation.
He did avoid the criticisms
of Soviet society that have
marked some of his statements
at home. While in those state-
has argued with passion the
view that dissent is an essen-
tial ingredient of progress,
whether it be in science, art
or politics.
Today he discussed a wide
range of subjects, from student
unrest to the race for the moon.
He spoke strongly against the
development of antiballistic
missile systems, contending
they wer ea waste of urgently
needed funds,
ABM systems are intrinsical-
ly very costly, he said, yet they
are inevitably ineffective.
He cited what he termed
the "magnificent" article in a
recent issue of Scientific Amer-
ican by Dr. Hans Bethe of Cor-
nell University, a Nobel Lau-
reate in physics, and Dr. Rich-
ments, making clear his loyalty
to Soviet ideals, Dr. Kapitsa Continued on Page 28,, Column 2
 Kapitsa Supports Idea That U. S. and Soviet Systems Will Some Day Converge,
THE NEW YORK TIMES, THURSDAY, OCTOBER 9, 1969
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ard'Carwin of the International
Business Machines Corporation.
The two scientists, both ad-
visers to the Governm6nt on
defense policy, sought to show
through various scientific and
technical arguments, the futil-
ity of an ABM system.
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country, Dr. Kapitsa said, "it
will only increase the number
of missiles in the Soviet Union."
Dr. Kapitsa met the press at
the National Academy of sci-
ences, which is his host in
Washington. In September he
came to lecture at a Canadian
University and then entered the
United States.
Dr. Kapitsa has already
visited Harvard University the
Massachusetts Institute of
Technology, Cornell University
and Belt .Laboratories. His fu-
ture itinerary includes Stanford
University and the California
Institute of .Technology, a tour
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a legendary figure to Western
physicists. He was perhaps the
most brilliant student of Lord
Rutherford at Cambridge Uni-
versity in the nineteen-twen-
ties.
When he returned for a visit
to his native Russia in 1934, he
was required to remain and
devote his talents to Soviet
I He was the head of the Insti.
tute of Physical Problems in
Moscow until. 1946. Then, in
Stalin's disfavor, he vanished
from view.
In 1955 he was back again
as head of that institute and
has 'since become a champion
of educational' reform and an
eloquent elder. statesman of
Soviet science.
His age showed today in his
bodily movements, but not in
the reactions of his mind. He
parried touchy questions with
good humor, with eyes twin-
kling in his granite-slab face.
One of the major challenges
today, he observed. is to devel-
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tem cannot digest the technical "If you land two men, we believe will be needed to probe He did' not' seek to exlpain'
achievements," he replied. will land three!" he predicted, the innermost secrets?of matter, the restlessness and conceded
Dr. Kapitsa related how a and went on to stress that he will probably have to be several that Soviet students-have their
friend recently transported him was not privy to Soviet spaceltimes more powerful than the complaints.
swiftly to his destination by plans, but was simply saying new American accelerator: From time to time' he` said,
car in a five-minute ride. ,
"Then my friend had to find what was obvious. This com-I Such a device, Dr. Kapitsa student delegations come to see
a landing [parking] is a good thing," he said, could cost 'three or four him as president of the .Physi=
g] place for 20 added. billion rubles and should be an cal-Technical Institute, which
or 25 ," he minutes went on. international enterprise. is turning`. out top-grade sci-
"I could have w walk ked it in 10 He dismissed a su^-as''on
minutes." that the Soviet and American In private conversations on entists in a Moscow suburb.,
campuses that he has visited, The, student' body 'numbers
space programs were too costly
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but it was not always idiomatic In contrast to what the United Dr. Kapitsa has disclosed the some 6,000. The students. corn-
or easy to -understand. States is spending in Vietnam, deep concern, typical of many plain about something, 'Dr., Ka-
Scientific management tech- he said, the space expenditures Soviet intellectuals, at ? the pitsa said,'and.it is, easily recti-
piques, he said, are particularly are small. danger of a military confronta- fled.
important in the space pro-. He favored East-West col- lion with Communist .China. , ' Of the Sakharov -essay,, he
grains where vast sums are laboration in areas that were Great Interest in Students , said
involved and large amounts too vital or too costly for com- He has shown particular Sakharom ,tote on,. one of
can be wasted 'through poor petition. One was cancer teres t in the attitude of Amer-' er- thehow t to keep pea peace bce bettwweeeen tn
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management. He gave the So- research. Another was the con- ican students and has spent United 'States and the sovietthe
viet Union higher marks than struction of a very large par- hours in animated discussions Union."
the United States in this re- ticle accelerator, or atom- with them. Dr., Sakharov realiied': that
spect. smasher. When asked today about stu- a :scientific `approach should
Soviet expenditures in space The one at Serpukhov in the dent unrest in the Soviet Union; helpbringthe two giants closer
are "several times less" than Soviet Union cost 200 million he asserted that there are none together,' Or. Kapitsa said.'
those . of this country, Dr. rubles, he said. It is now the in the sense of the demonstra- Concerning, the. convergence
Kapitsa said.
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11 moon landing, had tem-ful. The ruble is now equal in The student upheavals could rov says, is correct."