LETTER TO MAJOR GENERAL ALVA R. FITCH FROM LYMAN B. KIRKPATRICK

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• Publication Date: March 26, 1964
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DIA review(s) completed.
26 'arch 1964
Major General Alva R. Fitch
Deputy Director
Defense Intelligence Agency
Washington, D. C.
Sorry for the delay in replying to your letter of 1 i February,
but I've been in the Far Last and found your letter waiting upon my
return.
I appreciate very much .our looking into the matter of the
F and if weddevelop any more specific
et you know. We agree that this is a good time to
establish a policy base for coordination of our research and develop-
ment efforts.
As you note, there has been a working level exchange of infor-
mation between our respective Agencies on research and development
programs since the formation of DIA. We have engaged in such
exchanges on a case-by-case basis where it has been determined that
Information derived from CIA research and development projects
complemented and aosisted research and development programs of
I)IA undertaken in support of its assigned missions. It is our desire
and intention to continue these exchanges.
In order to broaden this coordination effort to a comprehensive
one covering both Agencies, I see no problem in our providing DIA
with a descriptive statement of our R&D program in exchange for the
RDT&Z protiun of your Consolidated General Intelligence Progrrac .
We would want this closely held in DIA as it is in CIA for reasons of
comparfrnentatlon and sensitivity, and we would naturally reciprocate
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in ree asrd to your program. This would provide
nation, and avoidance of duplication and the servi
However, so that there will be no misunderstanding would
to go into detail in those areas of R&D where operational
s, clandestine and otherwise, create conditions of
vity requiring the tightest cosnpartm#ntation. This was spelled
dI* surveillance and countermeasures field by the memo-
randum of General Carter to Mr. Bundy of 12 March 1964. This is
not to say that we would not provide assistance in those areas of
concern to DIA. and if any problems arise in this regard, you and I
can work them *%t.
In spite of these constraints. I believe that we can collaborate
on selected projects to our mutual benefit. Accordingly. at MY
request, the Deputy Director (Science and Technology) has appointed
Mr. to serve, as the initial point of contact on
all matters concerning CIA.-DIA coordination and information
exchanges on research and development programs. If your re, re-
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am sure that a satisfactory working relationship can be established.
I Will, Of course. continue to give it my close personal attention
and will be happy to work with you in giving the effort specific high-
level Iapetus.
Sincerely yours.
(signed) Lyman B. i(irkpa4rick
Lyman B. irkpatrick
.ive Director
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Mr. Lyman B. Kirkpatrick, Jr.
Executive Director
Central Intelligence Agency
Washington, D. C. 20505
11 February 1964
Recalling our conversation about coordination of the research and develop-
ment activities of our agencies, I find that a great deal of thought has
been given to this subject in the DIA, and that quite a bit of working level
coordination is already being carried out. If this coordination has not
always been as complete or successful as we both might have wished,
this is at least partially understandable. Your R&D structure has only re-
cently passed a major transitional stage while the DIA equivalent is still in
its formative period. In addition, there has been no specific, high level
impetus in this area.
It seems to me that now, for the first time, there is a real opportunity to
formalize this and to establish a basis in policy at our level. I would like
to propose that a joint working party be set up to work out a statement of
policy and a mechanism of R&D coordination for our consideration.
The DIA is reaching a point where it will be feasible for us to coordinate
in a way not possible before. This year we expect to have an RDT&E portion
of our Consolidated General Intelligence Program. A copy of this can be
made available to your offices for consideration in connection with your
program. For this arrangement to work, it seems to me it will have to
work both ways. That is, if you ca upply the DIA with a descriptive
statement of your program, we can also act to avoid duplication and to
divert the effort to other important but unfunded work. With the present
emphasis on economy, we certainly have neither the wish nor the incentive
to repeat what you are doing if the results of your work can serve our mutual
needs.
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and I have had these matters checked for the facts. We can find no CIA
You asked spvpral stions about work in progress in
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R&D Program that is directly, or even obviously indirectly, concerned
with secret writing. Of course the volume of R&D performed or sponsored
bylis enormous and our sources may have overlooked the single
work order or contract that concerned you. If you can give me more
specific details of the reported work (contract number, contractor, or such),
I would like to look further into this matter.
There is, indeed, a considerable amount of R&D in the audio surveillance
field going on at0 Incidentally, interested portions of your TSD
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basis for this work is the requirement of the Air Force or greatly improved
audio countermeasures equipment. Accordingly, the principal purpose of
the effort has been defensive. The DIA feels that it is impossible to separate
R&D for audio countermeasures from R&D for audio collection. The two areas
are completely interdependent and neither can proceed intelligently in a
vacuum, with no consideration of the potential of the other. For this reason,
th Ioes, in fact, contain R&D in the areas of sensors, transducers,
and other aspects of positive audio collection. I feel that this work is a com-
pletely necessary adjunct to the defensive effort and, to the extent that the
results are made available to your staff, of mutual benefit.
There is always the possibility of basing our defensive work upon a predicted
opposition threat which is represented by your very latest audio collection
devices. Certainly your latest state-of-the-art should be considered when
the sensitivity of the device will permit. But in trying to predict the opposition's
technical ingenuity, it seems to me that two heads are more prudent, if not
better than one. The audio collection work in this light, can be 25X1
considered as insurance rather than duplication.
The security measures surrounding the work and our levels of 25X1
classification are, I believe, adequate to safeguard the sensitivity of
our work. However, there is a procedure used in your developmental con-
tracts that we would like to investigate and possibly use. This is the
provision which , in effect, prevents the contractor from admitting he has
the contract. We will pursue this further in connection with our discussions
on a joint R&D coordination policy.
If you agree in the desirability of a joint ad hoc group, charged by us
jointly to develop a working procedure for coordinating the DIA/CIA research
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and development efforts, would you please designate a point of contact
for your agency with whom my designees may begin. I intend to personally
follow the course of these negotiations in close detail, and I hope that
your time will permit you to add your own emphasis, experience, and
priority to the effort.
Sincerely,
ALVA R. FITCH
Major General, USA
Deputy Director
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