CIA/DIA RELATIONS

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• Document Creation Date: December 15, 2016
• Document Release Date: July 10, 2003
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• Publication Date: December 21, 1964
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SUBJECT: CIA/DIA Relations
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1. In response to your instructions we have asked the CIA Chairman
of the principal USIB committees and the heads of the CIA Directorates to
advise us concerning the relations with DIA and of any suggestions they
may have for improving CIA/DIA relations. In general, considerable
satisfaction is expressed by all concerning relations with DIA, and there
appears to be a close and cordial working arrangement between the two
agencies. Although some areas are noted in which it is felt DIA could
make a greater contribution, there is general recognition that it is still
a young agency and that it has been having the usual growing pains,
particularly as it has taken over some established service responsibilities.
Summarized below are the principal comments received.
DD/P DIA has helped the Clandestine Services in its relation to
the military services and their participation and support of
clandestine operations. DIA has provided a unified channel for
intelligence requirements to all DOD components which has helped
to eliminate duplication. DIA evaluations and assessments have
assisted clandestine operations. There has been some delay in
Clandestine Service reports reaching DOD elements, but DIA is
working on this. DIA has assisted in considerable improvement
in the coordinat:ion of clandestine operations between the
services and CIA, but there has not been similar improvement
in the counterintelligence areas.
:DD/I DIA contributions to substantive intelligence in such fields
as order of battle, geographic intelligence, industrial intelligence
and photographic interpretation have been good. In the
scientific and technological intelligence areas we believe
improvement is needed. This is dealt with later under DD/S&T
and the specialized committees of USIB. We believe there could
be further clarification of the distinct roles of the Central
Intelligence Bulletin and the Defense Intelligence Summary as
there are still occasional overlaps and duplications which create
some problems. Further, we urge that DIA accelerate its
efforts for an effective retrieval system in close collaboration
with CIA and the CODIB.
ILLEGIB
DIA review(s) completed.
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DD/S&T In the research and development areas DIA has proved an
effective focal point for coordination of R&D in intelligence areas
between CIA and Defense Intelligence components. The
information exchange is today effective and meaningful. In the
collection and analysis areas, DIA is responsive and effective in
the ELINT advisory group and the SIGINT evaluation subcommittX1
It could be better coordinated with CIA on military third-party
ELINT operations.
In the production and estimating areas the Directorate of Science
and Technology in DIA, in our opinion, needs more in-house
intelligence production and estimative capability and less
dependence on such units as the Foreign Technological Division
of the Air Force Systems Command, the Foreign Scientific and
Technological Center of the Army Materiel Command and the
Scientific and Technological Intelligence Center of ONI.
DD/S The primary areas of relations between our support
directorate and DIA are in the security and training fields.
There is close coordination and exchange between our Office
of Training and the DIA training effort including a full-time CIA
officer at the Defense Intelligence School. DIA has been most
cooperative and effective in the security field in such matters
as special security control systems, surveys, etc.
ONE DIA's work in the estimative field has been responsive,
cordial and cooperative but reflects a need for experienced
officers in the estimative fields with depth and continuity in
substantive intelligence. (It is recognized that this is hard to
achieve in a relatively new organization dependent on the
services for its personnel and we are well aware of General
Carroll's intensive efforts in this field.) DIA is responsive to
spot requests for specific information and briefings in the
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been established and the CIA/DIA working group has been a good
device. However, contributions to military estimates are uneven
in qualit
Tina y,
more and more dependence is being placed on CIA's Office of
Research and Reports for estimates of production of military
equipment, which perhaps they are best qualified for, in relation
to DIA, because of their depth in the economic area.
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rapid and effective screening of indicators and assists the
overall effort. The DIA 24-hour watch is energetic, con-
sistent, and operates on the highest priority basis. We would
urge closer coordination between the DIA representatives on
the Watch Committee and the producers of the Defense Intelli-
gence Summary for the purpose of reaching unified analytical
judgments.
tives have been cooperative in the coordination effort.
DIA has :facilitated COMOR action by serving as a focal
point for DOD :in all collection matters and the DIA representa-
JAEIC
(Chamberlain) DIA has been rebuilding the competence in the nuclear
energy intelligence effort and has hired some good civilians
and hopefully is getting some good military personnel. There
is a need for depth and analysis and for closer coordination
between the production center and the Directorate for Science
and Technology. CIA has helped train DIA analysts and we
will continue to give all the assistance we can.
SIC - SC/ex!VC
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DIA has made a good effort to speak with a unified
ilitary voice in this area, but there is still a question as to
where the true expertise rests. This was graphically illus-
trated on NIE ].1 -8 with regard to the submarine capability
where the expertise rested exclusively with the Navy. CIA is
not so much concerned as to where the expertise resides as it
is with how quickly this can be made available in the
estimative procedure.
GMAIC
(Duckett) The basic Missile and Space Analysis capability still
resides in the departments, which are cooperative in providing
special studies, and CIA is appreciative that the channels are
kept open for this purpose. As mentioned above, there is a
need for greater in-house capabilities in DIA in the missile and
space field.
CODIB Q_.,tjlt 126CU",,4K. 4"Aat ~a ae~
(Borel)
DIA is responsive and active in this field and we noted
above the requirement for retrieval capability.
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DIAis widespread Indications organization provides
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I J DIA has provided a dynamic and constructive approach
the efforts of the Critical Collection Problems Committee.
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(Guthe) DIA has provided an excellent job at the EIC level and
promptly assists in providing members to the subcommittees.
Security
(Osborn) DIA has provided a central point for cooperation and
has developed considerable expertise in this field.
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DIA has absorbed the responsibilities for all service
inputs to the National Intelligence Surveys and is meeting its
deadlines in a satisfactory manner as to time and quality.
yman B. Kirkpatrick
Executive Director
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MEMORANDUM FOR: Executive Director -Comptroller
SUBJECT : Evaluation of DIA
REFERENCE : Action Memorandum No. A-437, 30 Nov 64
1. In response to the reference memorandum, the DD/S&T has
reviewed the status of its relations with the DIA to identify any major
problem area or significant improvements which may serve as a basis
for pending discussions between the DCI and Briefly,
it appears that as one moves from research and development programs
through collection operations to analytical, production and estimative
programs, the effectiveness of collaboration and coordination and the
quality of the DIA community contribution progressively deteriorates.
2. Research and Development - Since your exchange of correspond-
ence with the Deputy Director, DIA, in February and March, 1964, which
created a formal mechanism for the coordination of R&D, and since the
reorganization of DIA to provide for central management of intelligence-
oriented research performed by the Services, the DIA participation has
improved. DIA now is in the position to serve as an effective focal
point for coordination, having improved knowledge and control of rel-
evant DOD research programs. Information exchanges between CIA
and DIA coordinators are more effective and meanin ful and increasingly
reflect the spirit of the agreement reached between and
yourself.
3. Collection and Analysis - In the ELINT Advisory Group to
DIRNSA for management of the National ELINT Plan (NEP) and in the
SIGINT Evaluation Sub-Committee of the USIB SIGINT Committee the
DIA participation has been both responsive and effective. However,
we detect some inclination on the part of DIA to move into military
We believe that the CIA participation in the NEP will frustrate any
such plans of DIA, but this is a potential problem area.
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4. Production and Estimating - In intelligence production and
estimative activities related to foreign scientific and technical pro-
grams, the DIA contribution has not been impressive. The Directorate
of Science and Technology (DIAST) is the DIA component charged with
programming and coordinating the S&T intelligence production programs
of the Services. It also exercises considerable control over the budgets
of the Foreign Technology Division (FTD) of the Air Force Systems
Command, the Foreign Scientific and Technological Center (FSTC) of
the Army Materiel Command and the Scientific and Technological Intelli-
gence Center (STIC) of ONI. DIAST has become a rather large, non-
producing staff with little or no in-house intelligence production or
estimative capability. Its creation has placed one more echelon of
command between the USIB S&T committees (JAEIC, GMAIC and
SIC) and the producing Service elements. DIAST's coordination role
has also tended to pre-empt the USIB committees' coordination respon-
sibilities wherever Service participation is involved. As a result, the
DIA contribution to the production of the USIB S&T committee, and
especially participation in the National Intelligence Estimates programs,
is extremely limited. In our opinion, if this situation continues, the
Office of Scientific Intelligence in DD/S&T will have to assume a
greater role in direct support of the JAEIC, GMAIC and SIC because
of the inability of DIA to respond to the needs of these committees in
a timely and effective manner.
Albert D. Wheelon
Deputy Director
for
Science and Technology
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[ Executive RegsrY
15 December 1964
MEMORANDUM FOR: Executive Director-Comptroller
SUBJECT: DCPs Discussion with
on DIA
1. I understand that as been invited
to lunch. with the Director on Tuesday, 2Z, December, and to
remain for as long as he pleases in the afternoon. As a minimum,
the DCI informs me that he wishes to have
briefed on the organization of the CIA, with particular emphasis
on the facilities maintained by CIA which serve the community
as a whole. He wanted to include in the briefing some reference
to what the Director characterized as "the two-day seminar
run by Mr. Kirkpatrick," and some discussion of the qualifi-
cations of CIA personnel.
2. As regards DIA, the DCI wishes to take the position
that DIA is an indispensable adjunct to the responsibilities of
the JCS in the discharge of their command and direction over
the Military Commands. The DCI, therefore, supports the
concept of DIA and :feels that it ought to be strengthened. In
this conversation with me he made particular note of the very
good job General Carroll has been doing in strengthening DIA
and promoting cooperation between DIA and the intelligence
community as a whole.
3. The DCI will take the position that DIA should
concentrate on essentially military intelligence activities and
should leave to CIA. the responsibility for activities which extend
beyond strictly military implications. This distinction can
obviously be vastly oversimplified and it can hardly be argued
that the DIA should confine itself exclusively to matters pertaining
to OB. On the other hand, there would seem to be some line
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of demarcation between matters of primarily military
intelligence interest and matters of more general political,
economic and/or scientific concern.
4. The Director said that he would like to have
some written document to hand to and that
he would like to have a record kept of his discussions and any
oral briefings, a transcript of which could be sent to
after the meeting.
5. It seems to me that the best way of meeting the
Director's desire in this respect would be a memorandum
from you to the Director containing some of the thoughts
outlined above (with all of which you are completely familiar)
and also such other observations which you think appropriate
to submit to the DCI: in written form. An alternative would be
two memoranda, one of which would attempt to treat with DIA
as an essentially community matter, and the other from the
perspective of CIA. Presumably the latter would cover such
points as the desirability of having DIA not duplicate the facili-
ties of CIA, etc., etc. The former would be one which we would
prepare and send to the Director as a community matter. This
seems to me cumbersome and I would recommend one memorandum.
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JOHN A. BROSS
D/DCI/NIPE
cc: DDCI
EA/DCI
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