MEMORANDUM OF CONVERSATION [BETWEEN AMB. ANATOLIY F. DOBRYNIN AND W. AVERELL HARRIMAN]

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• Document Creation Date: December 15, 2016
• Document Release Date: December 17, 2003
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• Publication Date: June 8, 1964
• Content Type: MEMO

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DEPARTMENT OF STATE
Memorandum of Conversation
June 8, 1964
DATE: Soviet -basay,
Washing
PARTICICANTC. Amb. Anatolty F. Dobrynin, USSR
. Avereli Harriman, per Secretary for Political Affairs
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had alone with A. Dobrynin at his Embassy. I have
accepted his invitations a couple of times a year. The conversa-
tion was informal and not very precise.
He complained about our press' allegation that the Soviet Union
was upset over our recent trade negotiations with Rumania. He
maintains that his govermwnt is delighted to have trade increased
with Rumania. "Why not?" He minimized the independent action of
Rumania in its discussions with Peiping. He expressed the opinion
that a meeting of c nist parties would be hold in which the
Chinese would be criticized.
We talked at some length about Laos. I underlined its importance
as a symbol of the possibility of US-Soviet cooperation resulting
from Vienna and Geneva. He went over familiar ground but avoided
he issues. He concluded that the conflict with China would not
change the Soviet Union's position on Southeast Asia.
He applauded the cooperation achieved in outer space. weather,
ever by nuclear energy was about the same as by other
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fuels and asked if this was true, and whether in the private
sector more nuclear power plants would be built in this countrv.
I told him I would check on this and let him know. I pointed
out that the original cost of nuclear plants was high and that
its greatest value was in areas where fuel costs were high. This
was., of course, not the case in the United States.
asked why we couldn't make some progress in the arms talks
in Geneva. When he asked me what particular areas of agreement
we might reach, I suggested the beat way to find this out would
be for Zorin to have a frank talk with gill Foster. He went over
some of the old ground of the Warsaw proposal of denuclearizing
!*1 Europe, MY, etc. He concluded it was possible to come
agreement on an African demilitarized zone and argued for
inclusion of the Mediterranean, which I, of course, scotched.
cemented upon the action that President Johnson took in
reducing our production of fissionable material, and was glad to
parallel action was taken by Mr. Khrushchev. Dobrynin
't we do more of that? ' I replied, "What have you
d?" He answered, "rAch of us should reduce our forces
.f, I said we had already done so. "Why don't you do
the same thing?" I pointed out we had withdrawn some 10,000.
He corrected me, "only 7,500," and suggested that wasn't enough
to be meaningful.
He asked why we could not use slant photographs in Cuba. He
argued that the U-2 photographs he had seen from the plane that
was shot down in 1960 covered long distances both ways in
considerable detail. I painted out that complete photographic cover-
age was impossible on account of the terrain, and that it was as
much in the Soviet interests as well as our own that the President
be able to refute constant stories that Soviets were putting missiles
into tuba.
In answer to my question, he said that he had not had a report
the Beaton talks with Khrushehev. I pointed out that one of the
inconsistencies expressed by dir. rushchev in these talks was
that it was quite all right for the Soviet Union to help rebels,
but it was quite improper for us to help governments suppress them.
On the coming General Assembly meeting, he mentioned that he
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He told me that he was going on a trip around the country with
o be back around the 4th or 5th of July. Ile
for them both to come and have a swim on
aid he wanted to have a last wcW with before
about July 24.
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DEPARTMENT OF STATE
June 17, 1964
The Honorable
John McCone
Director, CIA
As of possible interest.
W.A.H.
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