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• Document Type: CREST
• Collection: General CIA Records
• Document Number (FOIA) /ESDN (CREST): CIA-RDP80-01240A000100140082-7
• Release Decision: RIPPUB
• Original Classification: C
• Document Page Count: 4
• Document Creation Date: December 9, 2016
• Document Release Date: July 24, 2000
• Sequence Number: 82
• Publication Date: January 18, 1960
• Content Type: MEMO

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Messrs. Pahl and Williams, CARD, met with CIA representatives in the offic e
of the Deputy Director for Support at 4:00 FM, January '/, 1960, for the
purpose of discussing the acoess to be granted to GAO representatives in
the current audit of CIA.
Mr. White, Deputy Director, Support, Mr. Lloyd, Deputy to the Deputy
Director for support, and GAO contact in the office of
the DD/S, represented CIA, 25X1A
Mr. White stated that he had had a meeting with
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Deputy Comptroller, CIA, and , Chief, CiA Audit/saaaah 25X1A
to discuss: v1) A request for certain materials by GAO for use in the
audit of CIA, and t2) to what extent we would be permitted to review
certain operations, procedures and polities of the Comptroller's office,
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its components, and the Audit Staff.
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Mr. White advised us that the GAO audit would have to remain outside
the clandestine operations of CIA. we would not be permitted to do a
comprehensive audit of clandestine operations, or of an activity of an
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procedures, and practices under which such an organization carries out
its responsibilities would not 'be available for our review, principally
becadse the Agency regulations and other written instsuctions.are
generaj r so intermingled with the clandestine activities that a seeurit
organization where such activity involves or supports clandestine oper-
ations, in the instance of organizations supporting-clandestine`operat-ion as
Mr. White advised that the agency regulations setting forth the policies,
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Mr. White advi;; h that wherd a support organization is
involved in both d? and overt operations, we could be briefed in
detail on the policies, procedures, and practices pertinent to the activ-
ities in support of the overt operations. He agreed that this would be a
time consuming job for both GAO and CIA, but that CiA has often found
that in order to maintain security, the shortest distance between two
points has not always been a straight line for them, Mr. Pahl advised
that in performing such audits it would be necessary to document such
briefings in his working papers.
Mr. White advised that we could not be granted access to the chart
of accounts, accounting manual, agency regulations and other data on the
activities of the Finance Division of the Comptroller's office, but that
access would be granted under the general guidelines set forth above.
However, Mr. white stated that he believed the internal audit report
requested could be made available subject to a security check. He add
vised further that other such reports and, material might be available
subject to security review and possible sterilization to maintain the
necessary security. Mr. White stated that we can expect, at least in
the initial stages of our audit, that clearance will have to be obtainei
from his office before any reports, instructions, and other documents
can be made available to us for audit purposes.
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Mr. White t went to great lemiht to explain why it would not be
wise or possible to make certain materials available, or permit access
to certain operations to anyone, except on a need to know basis, and eft
even though material requested itself might be harmless, the operation
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behind it might be extremely sensitive. In addition, although all of
those individuals involved, including GAO personnel, were subject %0 to
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prosecution for any security violations, threbtor, Central intelligence
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knowledge of suen operations to only those people who must have such
knowlege.
Mr. kahl explained that from previous disoullsions and briefings he
understood that GAO would be given access to Agency regulations, manuals,
procedures, and reports, but that we would not have access to un-
vouchered transactions or to certain voucherec transactions tha t
involved sensitive operations.~ie stated, however, that the clarification
of the guidelines and limitations under which the Agency require our
audit to be conducted was necessary to the conduct of our audit, and that
in getting the audit off the groudd may such discussions and meetings
such as this may be regdired.
Mr. white stated that we should feel free to come directly to him
anytime we have a question that we believe requires his attention.
Because of the nature of the Agency's operation, al]artiss concerned with
our audit would have problems arising from time to /time thatwouid require
such discussion and clarification.
Mr. Williams asked if we Ot would be able to go behind the transac-
tions involving vouchered funds to check on procedures and controls, for
example the contracting procedures of Logistics, and, the audits of the
advised
industrial Contract Audit Division. Mr. white/0?~0~fto~ that such an ex-
tension of the audit would be permissabie and appears very logical.
He stated, generally, that it was not the intention to restrict our present
audit to a lesser access than obtainable under previous audits.
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With regards to discussing problems and findings that develop in our
CL& audits, Mr. white advised that from a security standpoint, we were at
liberty to discuss these matters with Mr. L -mpbell, he comptroller geaural,
Mr. Samuelson, Director CAAD, and Mr. keaer, general Counsel.
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