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September 24, 1967 -- 2:30 P?4 New York
A NOUNCER: 'Page One.' Channel Seven's weekly news conference,
with the men and women who shape events in the metropolitan area.
on Part one today our guest is New Orleans' District Attorney,
Jim Garrison.
Mr. Garrison will be interviewed by Channel Seven newsmen,
John Schubeck, Milt Lewis, and John Parsons.
Here is your moderator, Bill Beutel.
BEUTEL: Good afternoon.
After the assassination of President John F. Kennedy almost
''f+u c'ars ago the Warren Cc_irctiss.i on concluded that Lee Harvey Oswald,
acting alone, shot and killed President Kennedy, firing three shots
from a rifle from a window in the Texas Book Depository Building in
Texas . This expl.anstion of the assassination of President
Kennedy was officially acre} :'ed by the federal government, and by
most People.
But Jim Garrison, the District Attorney of New Orleans, does
not. accept this explanation. Mr. Garrison believes there was a
conspiracy to hi:l,l. President Kennedy, that five or six shots were
fir d at the President, by at. least four gunmen, who were assisted
by several other people.
Mr. Garrison believes Lee Harvey Oswald was not a part of the
co,.nsp;i,..ra cy, and did not shoot President Kennedy. Mr. Garrison also
says '`that some of the police in Dallas, Texas were a part of the con-
spiracy. Mr. Garrison has made arrests in connection with his
investigation, and he secured an -indictment' against Clay Shaw of New
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Orleans for his alleged role in the alleged conspiracy.
Jim Garrison's rather vocal disagreement with the Warren
Commission's Report has raised a lot of controversy, and that's why
he's our guest this afternoon on Page One.
Welcome to Page One, Mr. Garrison.
We'll begin the questioning with John Shubeck.
SHUBECK: Tl ank you, Bill.
Mr. Garrison, you're in the midst of what could very well be
one of the most important investigations in the history of the United
States.
Are you in New York in connection with this investigation? If
not, what are you in the city for?
GARRISON: Well, I'm in New York for several reasons. One of
them is in connection with the investigation, to go over same.
particulars with a film expert who's still working on the case.
Another reason is in' connection with the recent article in Playboy,
hoc.';cruse I have an opportunity to try and communicate some of the
issues of the case. A third reason, some personal business.
SHUBECK: Did you receive any payment for the Playboy article?
GARRISON: No, and I --- I don't accept money from ?-- personally,
from any source in connection with the investigation.
SCHUB.CK : Do you think you derived any political benefit from
this Playboy article?
GARRISON: Uh, political benefit? I don't think there's any
political. benefit for a Democrat from the south, trying to show that
the Administration's position is entirely wrong in the assassination
of -.- y urthex;more, when you come from a southern state like Louisiana
which is a very conservative state, and you happen to have found out
that a number of the individuals involved in the assassination are
Minute:mien, I -- I don't think there's any political benefit anyone
could Picture.
But I might add, finally, it doesn't matter,- because I have_
no interest in politics e
LEWIS: On the question of finances which you mentioned a
moment ago, sir - on the, occasions you've gone to Las 'Vegas, who
picked up the tab?
GARRISON: The cases I've gone to Las Vegas were when I was
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going in connection with either: a District Attorney's Conference, or
business along those lines. On three different occasions when I went
to the window and wanted to check out, I was told that, 'You're a
guest at the Sands, all you have to do is pay the phone bills and
valet, and other: things.' And I've learned that, separately, that
that's what theyusually do with public officials. Since I don't
gamble and have no other business at the Sands, I didn't regard it
as significant. And don't now.
LEWIS: You don't think it compromises you it anyway, sir?
GARRISON: No, I don't think it does, becaus9 we've cleaned
up every. racket in ,the City of New Orleans without exception, and
I don't have to worry about that. If I had some connection with
the mob, as they sap, and had to worry about it, I --- I wouldn't go
there. But I don't have -- I don't have to worry about it.
LEWIS: Well, on that score, was a lieutenant of Carlos
.Mar'ceil?o (?), who is by repute the big Mafia boss down there, did he
arrange for you to stay out there?
GARRISON: Nobody ever arranged for me- to stay at the Sands.
The only times I've ever been there are when I, just on the spur of
the moment, decide -v if I'm going to Los Angeles, or to Phoenix, I
go by way of LAs Vegas, and spend a few days at the Sands. No one
has ever invited me. I have never been a guest of.a mobster. of any
kind. I do not know Carlos Marcel.lo. I have never seen him. I have
no connection with him.
It makes a good news story, but it just doesn't I'appen to be
true.
PARSONS: Mr. Garrison, you said a few moments ago that -- that
while you're in New York City you're going over some pictures in connec
tion with the probe. Can you be more specific to what you are doing
here in connection with your probe?
GARRISON: There's a man who -- I presume he won't mind my
mentioning his name, who's done pioneer work in connection with
gather.ng pictures, both film and still shots, and his name is
R_F shard Sprague. I guess he's the top expert in the country in
q th.ering films with regard to the assassination.- I'm going to be
.w th hi a while I'm here.
PARSONS:' Insofar as you've bean with him, and you've looked
over any pictures, have you discovered anything new that you can
C-'113 us about now?
GARRISON: I want to give you jtast an example. There's so
many things. The most important things that have developed are -.
ar1e the structure, in the sense that you develop "-- the timing used
in the Zapruda films is based, but I can'give you an example which is
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rather interesting, if you want.
The last time we were here we located a picture taken when the
police had just brought the -- the, rifle out of the book depository.
And they're holding it up, and it's -- you see police gathered around,
a number of civilians - and it's a real interesting picture, and what
makes it so interesting is that the rifle does not have a telescopic
sight on it. And, of course, Oswald's did. And it was determined
that this rifle had been brought out of the depository approximately
five minutes after one. That's roughly twenty-five minutes before
Oswald's rifle was found, in quotes.
But the -- the rifle initially brought out of the depository
had no telescopic sight on it at all.
PARSONS: Have you found anything new, anything at this time,
since you've been in New York ...
GARRISON: I haven't met with him yet. I haven't met with.
him yet.
B UTEL: The basis of your examination will be the Zapruder
film altogether?
GARRISON : No. I've been through the Zapruder film, both live
and stills. I didn't mean to imply that that's what we're for. 1.
meant 'Chat the Zapruder films turned out to be particularly valuable,
because it gives a --- it is a basic reference with regard to time. In
other words, it gives the time frame within which shots were fired.
And from that Sprague has been able to determine almost exactly when
other different pictures were Laken, the Mormon picture, and the next
pictures, and al the others, using the Zapruder films as a base.
BEUTEL: Your most recent charge, vis-a-vis the assassination,
i tliat there were members of the Dallas police force .involved in the
assassination, Now, you didn't exactly spell that out, to my knowledge:
What were they doing in the assassination?
GARRISON: Well, Bill, in answering that, I must say, first of
all, that I _- I --~ it's quite: clear that most of the Dallas police
force consists of w?- of good police officers who are not involved in.
any -way. Having made that point, I want to say that it's been
apparent for a long time that there were some invididuals that were
involved in what happened in Dealy Plaza, were connected with what
happened to Officer Tippett, particularly with leading the police --
other police cars astray by the use of a police radio in Oak Cliff,
and of course. with the execution of Oswald by Jack Ruby on Sunday.
There are -police individuals involved in these actions, and
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we've known this for some time, although while we had a man working
in Dallas, it wasn't exactly why we announced ...
BEUTEL: Well, did these o3.ice individuals that you refer to,,
were they in on the conspiracy before the fact of the conspiracy, or
did they just get in on it and do whatever they did after the
conspiracy -- after the assassination?
GARRISON: No, no. No, no. No, no -- before -- before the
fact. They a.re a part of t hrstin str actuxe before the fact,
and these particu ar police officers arendividu4? s connected with
he13.inutemen organizatian.
LEWIS: Have you -- have you discussed this ; ponspiracy theory
of yours with these officers? have you interrogated them? Do you
plan to?
GARRISON: You mean, am I going over-into Dallas ...
LEWIS : Have you sent your man - you man .. ?
GARRISON: ... to interrogate them? No. No.
LEWIS : Do you intend to
SCHUBECK: (INAUDIBLE)
GARRISON: ' N o .
(C.RO STALK)
SCr.IIS. BECK: Well, did he talk to the policemen? .
GARRISON: These individual policemen?
SCIUBECK: Yes.
GARRISON: Oh, certainly not.
LEW:CS: Well, do you intend to arrest them? What do you
intend to do with them .. .
. GARRISON : I don't intend to do anything ...
LEWIS : whoever they are?
GARRISON: ... at all at the moment, except to try and bring
nut some of the additional facts so other people interested in the
case can have a better understanding of what happened.
SCIiUBECK: Mr. Garrison, let me nail this down. Are these
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Dallas policemen still members of the Dallas police force?
GARRISON: Some of them are, and some of them are not.
SCkIUBECK: Well, now, by your publicizing this, don't you think
you are hurting your case by letting John Smith know 'I've got an eye
on you?'
GARRISON.: There's no question about it, anything you do in this
sort of activity has a plus factor and a minus factor and is a calculated
risk. But, again, I'm interested -- I have to wear two hats in this
sort of situatioktn because the case is not just of interest to people in
New Orleans. I have to wear one as a prosecutor, so you'll find me say-
ing nothing about `Mr. Shaw, who we have to presume is innocent. On the
other hand, because we have learned things that I think the country has
a right to know, I try to publicize certain things that will let every-
body in America know what happened, to the extent that it won't hurt the
case. And this is a calculated risk in this case, but I think-your
point is well made.
PARSONS: Well, aren't you really saying, Mr. Garrison, that
you have that s police are involved,
I.~Lri_~ you don't have proof? Otherwise, you would obviously arrest them.
GARRISON: No. We _have -- we have Proof. but I can't go in
Dallas and arrest anybody. I have no arresting authority in Dallas.
All I can do with regard to individuals outside the jurisdiction is,
when it becomes clear at of their involvement at -- and is timely,
1 will bring it out, so that if the people in that jurisdiction want
something done about it, they can do it. But I can't arrest anyone in
Dallas, anymore than I can in New York.
SCIIUBECK: You've made attempts in the past to bring people to
the bar of justice, into your area, into your jurisdiction. Why
haten' t you done this in the case of the Dallas policemen?
GARRISON Because!- for two reasons. Aren't you aware that
our attempts to bring people back to the bar of justice have been
=?'?nsucc:eseful We have never had extradiction trouble before, but we'v
been shown that we can't do it. Secondly, these individuals that we've
tr iced to bring luck are involved in actions in our juridictions. The
individuals on the Dallas police force are not active in our jurisdic-
tion. However, we have established their involvement in the assassina
tion?, so I raise the point so that if the Dallas people want to look
into it they know that there's .. .
(C ;R"J5Sants.idwt}
LEPWI S: Are you saying the District Attorney in Dallas would not
accept your information?
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GARRISON: I don't want to get in a fight with Henry Wade,
b cause it acconiplishes nothing. I'm simply saying that it's been
quite cleat for as long time that individuals of the Dallas police fore
s
ere e aasocIldted with ,le Minutemen are nvolved.
a ?a s ' - n .n I l e " E l i e county T Fwrants to see a spe-
cific example can turn to the go to their l? brae
Warren Co limission Exhibits* They can look at the Sawyer Exhibit, Hand
watch the activities of car 223, in the way that car . 223 pulls away
a rom the Church of the Abundant Light where the individual who-killed
Tippit ran, pulls them away to the Mareelius Library, pulls them away
again when they start to go back. Two Twenty-Three, whoever manned
223, its just one example of the involvement of the Dallas 'police.
BEUTEL: Well, have you -- have you given Henry Wade the names
-- if you know the names and identity of the Dallas police - involved
in Car 223, or involved in whatever other connection they might be
involved in, according to your information? Have you given Henry Wade
Irhe names of these peopled so that he may do something if he wants to?
GARRISON: Bill, let me -- let me save some time and give you
the short answer , . ,
BEUTEL: Sure.
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men who have s-1 n 1 '? a few of the oil rich
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, and i. t Would be a waste of time
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_wou. Ovously, there's no
interest in their doing anything about it, and I don't propose to get
in a fight with any single individual. But it's been perfectly plain
fq-,% yews that they consider the matter closed ...
BEUTEL: Do we hear you correctly? Did you say that there were
cer.a.t n oil magnates in Dallas who were a part of the assassination
plot?
GARRISON: That financed it, sponsored it, yes.
BEUTEL: You haven't named those people yet ...
=~ RRISO : _1 don't prop?ose to name any of those people until
well after the Shaw trial
. ,. .
J. ,BWIS: Well, Nor. Garrison, at the outset you said there
e~e.1:e at leas t three people, involved. Later on you said at least a ive
people involved. Later on.you said at least seven people involved.
And now this past week you've brought in members of the. Dallas police
depar:10ent. Number one ...
BEUTEL: And today the oil people.
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LEWIS: ... how many members of the Dallas police department,
so far as you suspect, are involved in this-alleged conspiracy?
GARRISON: I will not answer your question. You see, you are
concerned about specifics, and it bothers you that I know more about
the case than I knew some-months ago. I might learn in the next six
months, as a result of our investigation, that instead of a hundred
people, three hundred are involved. If so, I will tell the truth. We
don't take a position and hold ourselves to it like concrete.
Furthermore, I don't think you are right in your recitation
that it's been a steady progression as it's continued. From the outset,
it has been obvious that there were more than three people involved 4n
the conspiracy. There are more than three people involved in New Orleans
alone. And that's been obvious.
LEWIS: You know, one of the great district attornies of
the United States, and I think you' ' 11 recognize this, is* a man by
the name of Frank S. Rogan. And he never tells you nothin'.
How do you expect, sir, by your making these disclosures,
without naming people' how can you possibly conclude your case
successfully?
GaRRMN: Because I have a problem, as I said before, of
co~,:raiiunications. I disclose nothing about mmry case. With regard to
the Shaw case my policy has been the same as Frank Hogan's. If you
't1l.z-0ugh my statements to the press, you will find from the time I
Mr. t a! .
Shaw a ~.liw~ I hair hid natha.na to say : ta_t wo :c ln:Cer
.oa,,E Eye t?Yas gi .fig. I've said again and again. that he is presumed to
X)el cace;i -. All I am trying to do is get the word out that there is
a problem here, the people of the country have not been told the truth.
I think it's my duty to do that. I think that Frank Hogan would probes
bly do the same thing. I don't think he's had a parallel case ...
LEIS: I beg to differ, but you go ahead.
.BEUTEL: Mr.` Garrison ...
GAA'HRISON: Well, I don't know Frank Hogan, but I don't think
he's had a parallel case.
33E; JTEL: Mr. Garrison, I think, growing out of Milt Lewis'
is this question -? wouldn't it have been wiser, in terms of
o'vi_clence, at cetera, and publicity, to have waited until you had a
whole package of a case to come up with .ny of it, rather than come
up piece by piece and run into obstacles all along the way, that
prevents you from coning ...
GARRISON: It would be much wiser, it would be infinitely
iserd if we lived in a dream world, in the best of all possible worlds.
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But this day would never hav6 arisen ...
BRUT ;L: Well, the point that Milt was making, I think, is
that that is what the DA's that we in New York know would have done.
Frank Hogan would, for example, have a package, and then he'd present
it to a grand jury, get an indictment ...
GARRISON: No one --- no one in this case would have survived
to got such a package. There would be no way in the world. By the
time it was known you were working on it, it would have been inter-
rupted. We have had every kind of obstacle conceivable, but because
we burst into the spotlight before it was too late to stop us and let
the public know what we were doing, it is difficult now for a major
witness to be killed. It is difficult now for thgm to kill Shaw, and
it's going to be kind of difficult for them to kill me.
BEUTEL: Well, you're saying then that your case has become
easier to prosecute, to get information on, since you have put it in
the bath of publicity?
GARRISON: Bill, I don't put -- again, let me distinguish. There
are two things, there is our case against Shaw, about which I make no
public statements. Tb ,uon as a whole, which I at t 1 :, p . ,. W s=i,s is ha-,, to bc~r2~~ dr t:h~ true unde~:st:faandt~~a'a T ~eaucl has
br as pe--:)etrated on them, I can't keep silent when I know this. So,
those a lots o what I regard as a fraud I am trying to communicate.
And one of the things I hope to accomplish by doing this is to get the
federal government interested so it will again re-examine it. I've
found that we get no help at all from them, but if we can get enough
of the people interested, perhaps we can get the federal government to
have a new investigation.
PARSONS: Mr. Garrison, speaking of obstacles, you said earlier
this week that - that you felt Senator Robert Kennedy, and I want to
quote you, see if this is accurate, has done everything he could to
Obstruct: the investigation.
Are those your words?
GARRISON: No. But in essence it's true. Let me say precisely
what I said, John What i said was --- 3 w asz~ d anv__ individuals
da
tin e uob ator Robert Kennedy, dbecause i: Walter lter d.. Sheridan
dan
who is close to him made a real effort to get witnesses to leave the
juri.sicletion, has caused all kinds of interference. So I said, I
have to conclude that Senator Robert Kennedy has made a real effort to
stop the investigation. I'm-not quibbling. I'm just trying to say
PABSCNS: Well, why ...
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GARRISON: I'm not sure it's all he could have done, because
instead, of sending one man down, he could have sent ten.
PARS.?N: Why do you feel he's not helping?
GARRISON: I don't know. For example, I have nothing but a
high regard for the Kennedy family. I --- I admired Jack Kennedy, and
I feel strongly about him, and I think that Robert Kennedy is a com-
petent person. But, again, when I am asked if I have had anybody
making any attempts to obstruct the investigation I have to tell the
truth.
Now, in this case Walter Sheridan made a real effort -- in one
i-n b'cazlce offered a man, a major witness, money to movev to California
berme the trial, and uaranteed there would be no extradiction. And
ater eras chirged, piciperl.~ enough, for this, Senator Robert
Kennedy came out with a statement which in effect was a testimony
for the defendant.
PARSONS: Well, you're also quoted as saying that the Senator
can, quote, perhaps explain better than I why his political career
is so important.
Do you think it's his political career that's causing him to
not help?
GARRISON: Again, I don't know the Senator, so there's no way
for me to tell. All I can say is as a matter of logic it appears to
m t.?laat he must have some problem resulting from the fact that he was
Attorney General of the United States at the time the Warren Cozinnissio 1
reached this untrue conclusion, and I don't know why it would bother
him: but I don't see what else it would be other than politics....
PARSONS: You're dealing with the murder of his brother ...
PARSONS: Do you think he would allow politics to stand in --
in the way of finding a resolution to that question?
GARRISON:. Well, let me answer by saying that without any questio a
of ?a doubt he is ii- terfering with the investigation of the murder of his
brother, the first valid objective competent investigation they have
ever. had, one which has been successful, which is not going to be a fa 1-
a e: in any way, one which is going to produce convictions with regard :o
the assassination of the President of the United States, one which i.3
already known to us, and you will know in -lame, as a successful invest .--
gat:Lon,, and he has made a real effort to stop it.
Now, I let you be the judge.
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PARSONS: Well, what you're saying, then, is that Senator
Kennedy, by not cooperating, is in effect letting the murderers of
his brother walk the streets.
GARRISON: Well, yes. That's a fair statement, yes.
L WiS: Well, now, Mr. Garrison, has Senator Kennedy or any
of his aides directly, or circuitously, ever said 'to you, 'Jim
Garrison, why doz't you. lay off?'
GARRISON: T',hey,'ye done more than that. Thgy've tried to
torpedo the case.` They didn't have to say that to we.. When Sheridan
came down to New Orleans among other -things, he said tha ? rit w s
sent down ti re Robert Kennedy, and he said one of his objectives
svgs t see ham never come tQ trial., So it doesn' ~ matter what
he says to me when he says that.
LEWIS-: Did you ever try to check that out, Mr. Garrison, as
a lawyer and an investigator? Did you ever try to check that out
with Senator Kennedy himself?
GARRISON: I don't have to check it out. I'm telling you facts
I know. You known, you bother me. I don't think you're a very objective
F~qu es tioner?. Of Course, I've checked 1 out with facts down there. D
you think. V d conic up here and make statements like that off the top #
-ay aead if I don't know what I'm talking about?
PARSONS-. Well, why don't -_ why don't you just -- since you're
involved in such a sensitive area here, merely pick up the phone and
Cry to talk with Senator Kennedy?
GARRISON: I'm not interested in talking to anybody who inter-
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e er. with can investigation, which is an obviously effective one, into
the death of his brother.
PARSONS: Well, you're known to he a very tough, hard-boiled
D3A, .It's not unusual for .you to pick up the phone and to call some-
1 ody you want to talk to, is it?
GAR.?ISON: Yes, but I'm just not inclined to pick up the
ph' one and talk to anybody who's tried to torpedo the investigation.
1 ' sorry, that's the way I am.
BEUTEL: Have you ever talked to Robert Kennedy?
GARRISON: No, I haven't.
LEWIS: Incidentally, mentioning politics, as was mentioned a
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moment ago, do you put any credence on some reports that you might
run on the Vice-Presidential ticket, number two to George Wallace?
GARRISON: I wouldn't run on the Vice-Presidential ticket with
K .nyforxe. I wociidn't run for the United States Senate. I'm not
inCerested in politics of any kind. I'm intetes.ed in building the
lees t X77 s
t Attorney' S Off .ce T possibly dan, and then I'm going
back to private practice. I have no interest in politics at all
beyond my office.
1:!EUTEL: Mr. Garrison, a few moments ago, in response to a
question from kVLl.t Lewis, you said that he was too worried about the
specifics of the case -- I've :Forgotten just what the subject was
that he -- that he was driving at ...
LEWIS: About getting in touch with Senator Kennedy
FEUTEL: No, no, no. No, that was not It. It was a different
- different area altogether, but just today I talked with somebody an
they said, 'Gee, you know, I'd like to believe Jim Garrison's case,
because I find some certain holes in the Warren Commission's
Ropo..t, ht .l. x:iim Garrison hasn't beep able to come up with anything
to really convince me.,
We:11. :;aacr, these are the kind of specifics that people are
rea.l:l;, ~ string for, and the fact is that you have not yet come up with
specifics, but you have hinted all along the specifics are just around
the corner . . .
GARRISON- Would you like to know why?
3si'UTEL: Yes, ,' -tea I would.
s: si
GAR S0',q: F?3ecausG if I come up with specifics, Mr. Shaw will
ha-v-e his case reversed because I brought specifics before the trial.
One of my problems in trying to communicate about the case
_ s that I cannot in fairness talk about the evidence before the trial.
tics ha-v. a p ?oblen the Warred: Coitamispion is err?T1
.,. caia t Jae Shaw case
I'll give: you an exatrple, though, if you want something you
can find in the Warren Commission itself. For example, if you -- if
you go to Volume Sixteens, Co .arnission Exhibit 38, look in Lee Oswald's
:coo .e ,ook, and you'll find ~-- towards the exact you'll find a phone
nuvhe:r which begins with PE, a Pt. Worth phone number. As a matter
of fact, everybody in this cotaw ry can do that, because they can go
o ? ,heir library where they have the Warren Commission Reports, and
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which is a Ft. Worth phone number; and then if they go to another vol
which is the Armstrong Exhibits, in the Armstrong Exhibits ---- and th
can find that volume, because on the outside it says, 'Allen Oufuepo
If they go in the Armstrong Exhibits, and go through the notebook of
Jack Ruby --- if they go through the phone calls of Jack Ruby, rather,
which is I'm sorry, it's another volume, if they go through the
phone calls of Jack Ruby, on. June the 6th they will find that Jack
Ruby made two phone calls to that number, that is in Lee Oswald's
notebook.
We can go on and on with examples like this ...
PARSONS: Well, do you think they were planning ...
GARRISON: ... but they -- they are --- the structure itself
takes an hour to tell about. But I can give you more examples, if
you want.
PAARSONS: Mr. Garrison, were they planning ---- was this the
beginning of the conspiracy, in June?
GARRISON: No. The beginning of the conspiracy was --- was much
earlier, John, and was at a higher level, involving people of much
more importance
...
ume
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PARSONS: Well, I raised that only because the details of the
motorcade and the planning of the trip weren't worked out until of ter
September, and you're talking about a complicated
C7P,1111 :SON: No, that's no -- that's no problem at all. The -- it
-- the essential structure for the assassination was developed long
b? `-eti r -~w f .c z' a Baas v p ed,, and 1t ad.a ted itself to the
_s_ L = is what happened. In other words, it was an alternate sort
of
thing. It could have happened in another town. Ultimately, there
would have been a parade in Houston, or Ft. Worth, or something like
that. And when it was finally set, the apparatus was set up.
SCIIUBECK: Mr. Garrison, many people have charged you with
.sine; paranoiac. What do you think about that?
Gi' R.IRISON. I don't think too many people have, but I have
---- once in awhile when someone takes a position which we regard as
utterly ridiculous that the Warren Commission has taken, perhaps I
::lar:.e hack more than I should. But I don't think that the press
has bec rn g :eatly unfair to we, in balance. I wish that the press
had been more curious about digging below the surface of the Warren
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Commission, the assassination. But I don't think ' that anybody's
picking on me.
I think that there is a genuine effort to interfere with the
investigation, and : think that in time it will become obvious to
anybody. And I suppose when occasionally I describe that, it does
sound like it.
BT UTEL: Do you think Milt Lewis was picking on you?
G.RRISON: No. I think he's being a good news man. But I
lust want to let aim know once in awhile I think. he's pushing too
hard in an irrelevant area that . , .
LEWIS: Can I push a little bit more, Mr. Garrison?
GARRISON : Wny, sure you can ...
LEWIS: I'm sure you can handle it ...
GARRISON: ... if you don't mind if I push back.
LEWIS: Oh, by all means.
GARRISON: All right.
LE '7iS : Now, the president of the New Orleans Metropolitan
Crime Commission has urged that you be barred from a grand jury
investigation of organized crime.
WWhea ?
GARRISON: We have had trouble with the organized -?- with the
Metropolitan Crime Commission for several years. As a matter of
fact, the Metropolitan Crime Commission is composed of really pretty
good people, and sincere people. It's dominated by a managing
c::l i:,ecfor who was a man whom I do not consider sincere, and who's
recently got into trouble by making false accusal.-ions against one of
.is..', fin4.st members of our. City Council.
WlxeneveS: they've made these periodic accusations, we have in-
sisted on proof. We've called them before the Grand Jury, and again
and again it turns out that he has no evidence, and nothing to say.
And then later on there's another great announcement. So, as a result
s.~ nce 1 can not a d.i.ploma:t, I do not even answer letters from the Crime
Commission. And, so, I don't have the warmest relations with the
Crime Comm ssion, although I'm conscious of the fact 1that most of the
men are good men.
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I understand his doing this. I think that he 5 s probably
influenced by Mr. Cohen.
Let me say this now about our investigation into -- into
organized crime, which we're doing now , , .
L 'WIS a Is it very big down there, by the way?
GARRISON: Not too big, because they know me down there, and
they know that we've clew-ied up ever racket.
But let me say this, and I haven't had a chance to say this
before -~ what we did was to explain to the jury that which is a
Louisiana law, which requires its Grand Jury advisor to be a member
of the District Attorneys staff. But we said, 'Nevertheless, you
pick whomever you want, and we will appoint them to our staff and
they can be your advisor, anyone you name.' And they voted on it, and
decided they wanted us to represent them. So, in other words, that
matte:; is over with.
ARSONS: Are there any more arrests in connection with your
alleged Conspiracy due in the very near future?
C~ A, R.f SON: Jiohr..t, not in the immediate future, but there will be
in ;i me in New Orleans. I have had --- among the education -- some. of
the education I've acquired in this case is that good defense lawyers
can -- can 'cure complicate things and -w- as they probably should, but
wee lve been tremendously involved, and most of our time has been con-
sumed answering pleadings in the Shaw case, and we just can't handle
another parallel situation.
When we had the Shaw pleadings, and the Dean Andrews -- and in
De -n :?iadravis' trial, for example, we. only had one or two people
in.fesI'Ag ting. So there won't be an other arrests3 'io _- to the Shaw
~` ?? r chex:e ~... Jae c the s, _s.-A,..
BEU'TE L: One more question , . ,
L WIS ; How would you have .
BELTELe Just a second, I'd like to ask this question - are you
s All absolutely convinced that you're going to blow wide open the
' arren Comm. ssion Report, and show that it is absolutely false, when
you get your case all-put together?
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and there's no way for it to survive. We do have 'cho icture of how
the President was killed. we do know the names of individuals involve(
Gd we will not lose any cases.
Is that ...
33E 1T ; ,: That's the answer I wanted to hear, anyway.
Gentlemaien, I'm sorry to interrupt, but our time is up.
Cur thanks, then, to Jim Garrison, the District Attorney of
New Orleans, for being our guest today on Part One of Page One.
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IN ERvxEwER b Without any question, one of the mbs t inter-
esting things to the American public today is the investigation
of the :tir n xedy assassination. In order to find out a little bit
ore &bout. the investigation itself and the man himself, it'.3,
been our pleasure to have a chance to tally to Dir. James 'Garrison,
? he District Attorney for New Orleans, and he a s . with us in the
studio today.
Mr. Garrison, it's a great pleasure to have you here at
Mutual, on The World Today.
MMES GI RISON: It's a pleasure to be here, Scott.
INTERV.CEWER: Playboy had a very, very interesting inter-
view in the current issue, which is on the. newsstands right now,
in which you've gone through a pretty careful discussion of the
entire situation. I would like, if I may, to ask right off the
bat,, w?aa.t prompted the Kennedy assassination investigation, right
f on the start, in your own mind?
G URRI ON : Well, we happened --~ we happened to stumble across
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the involvement of a New Orleans individual about 72 hours after
the assassination by c??ccidsnt. And we turned him ova;r to the ~?
to he FBI, and ore heard nothing more from it. And then last Fall,
when I happened to be in New York talking with Senator Russell Long,
I found out to my surprise that he and a number of other individuals
regarded the matter as not closed.
1, just like most of the people in this country, a suYtmed
that it had been looked into honestly and completely. I took
it for granted. So I got curious and began looking into it, and
finally started reading into the Warren Commission, and I found
out that totally .~.. the conclusion was totally untrue,, and it-
was not an objective, honest inquiry. it was, in effect, a care-
fully organized concealment of the facts.
So we started looking into it, and we found out that there
were a large number of individuals involved in. the assassination
of the president. I might add that the Playboy article actually
is -- is just one corner of it, because at the time I gave it I
was unable to mention other aspects, like the involvement of some
members of the Dallas police department, and some of the Minute
Men in Dallas, because I still hadn't been in Dallas. Now I don't,
so I'm free to talk about it.
But it is -- the Playboy article does effectively cover a
corner of the story.
INTERVIEWER: You say -- you said that the warren Commission
was covering parts of this investigation.
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GARRISON: It would be more accurate to say they were cover-
ing the whole thing. in other words the lone assassin theory,.
which the Warren Commission developed, is a complete fraud. This
is why you now have elements of the United States Government, and
a large part of the news establishment of the United State--, doing
everything it can, literally desperately, to try and conceal what-
ever news comas from New Orleans about this, because the United
States Government has in this case perpetrated a major f aued.
IN`.I`ERVIEWER: Well, was this done purposely?
GARRISON: Yes, of course. The main objective was to fool.
the people of the United States, and x presume the r s?t of the
world, into thinking that this was a lone assassin, a Communist
oriented individual, and keep from bringing up the obvious truth,
that there was a conspiracy.
In other words, I suppose you might put it this way. The
objective was to keep the people of this country thinking that
they were still living in the best of all possible worlds; that they
were not living in a world in which the big business, Texas style,
financed the assassination, as it did; in which the right wing paramilitary right wing elements which were financed and encouraged
in their training and given weapons by the Central Intelligence
Agency was involved. All these things were too embarrassing to
bring out.
So somewhere along the line the decision was made by someone
to conceal the truth and go along with the Dallas scenario. And
the Dallas scenario of course was totally false. But the U. S.
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vernu,zent: has now qi :-ear the seal of approval to it, and so -1the
people of this country have been given a completely false story.
IN TE!:Z-VII EeWE : Ncw you say 4--hat there were members of the
Dallas police department that were involved.
GARRISON a Oh yes, it couldn't have been done effectively
without it. They were involved - some of them were involved at
Deeley Plaza, others in the Oak Cliff operation, in co.nr.,ecti on
with covering up the killing of Officer Tippet, and particularly
in the arrest of Oswald in back of the Tawas theater.
But I want to emphasize that one of the problems in talking
about groups is people quite often assume you're referring to the
w1iole group. I have no doubt that the majority of the Dallas po-
lice force are good officers, and as %,.ell intentioned as any po-
lice force in the country. But. you have within the Dallas police
force, you have an element, essentially the Minute Irian element, the
extreme militant right wing group, which is actively involved in
assassination.
INTERVIEWER: Mr. Garrison, may we go back a little l bit and
I'm sure that there is a certain amount of confusion as to the
sequence of events. The plot, I think as you've called it, to
assassinate President Kennedy, how did it -- where did it develop,
where did it start?
GARII S ON : Well actually I probably gave the impression in
my interview, because I was concentrating on one aspect it started
in New Orleans. It actually didn't start in New Orleans. It ap-
pears to have begun in Texas. Again I have to say -- I'm about to
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say that an element of big business in Dallas, Texas, big
!'Ja'." n s
was involved. oil money helped finance it. There's a x.l )kinds of
monies coming down to finance the assassination.
But it is not the entire .stLructure, it. is just a small grorp
within the structure. But not long after Oswald came back from
Russia he was taken over by a White Russian group there, and in-
cluding the white Russian group individuals who were setting him
up as early as 1962. But the New Orleans part came in later, when
e -:tremme right wing individuals --- and even as I say that, to avoid
misunderstanding, I am not a left wing individual. I'm pretty much
middle of the road. It just happens that this was the work of
a group of extreme right wing fanatics.
But the ' Da las individuals, this portion of the Dallas es--
tablishment, of oil millionaires, Minute Men and so forth, and a
hanc1,1!i l of the White Russians who got control of Oswald actually
started this. as early as 1962. The point of moving Oswald to
Dallas was really -- I mean to New Orleans, was really to de-Daila; ise
him, so that he would become an individual not from Dallas. He
was put in New Orleans about six or seven months, a nesting place,
and control was kept of him. And he was set up with some Commuiiist
appearing activity.
Now they were able to do this because employees of the Central
Intelligence Agency are involved in the assassination. Again, not
the management, not necessarily career agents. But nevertheless it
is clear that employees of the Central intelligence Agency were keep-
ing control of Oswald and were persuading that he was still engaged
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in CIA work, as he u , , in Russia.
ad so he was brought to l ew Orleans to de-?'Daliasi a i1:4ni so
that when the ;.rte carne he would not be a Dallas mall.
#NTY RVFEWER: Well, there was a little confusion w W~~A ~.v that
Oswald sort of perpetrated himself, wasn't there, when he for
his Cuban - what was he called, the outfit.;.?
GARRISON: Fair Play For Cuba.
INTERVIEWER: ...Fair Play For Cuba, and he gave the wrong
address at one time.
a AR.RIS ON : Actually Oswald was operating out of the - out
of the office of the most conservative anti-Castro individual. in
New Orleans, Guy Bannister. And again, while we do not. necessarily
appeal to Guy Barris te:r personally as involved, and I want to avoid
mentioning any individuals, the fact remains that there is a Min :ate
Mar. aspect, and a nu .)er of Minute Men individuals involved in this
And the first address which Lee Oswald put on his Fair Play
For Cuba pamphlets was 544 Camp Street, which was the office of
the anti-Castro right wing operation in New Orleans. They had to
correct that.. Well, by the time they corrected it you had a key
there which the Warren Commission ignored. In other words, it in-
dicated at the outset he was in the control of a militant right
wing element.
INTERVIEWER: Now, also in the Playboy article you said
that Fidel Castro could actually clear this whole thing up as to
the source and the --- where the plot came from, and actually al-
most testified to the fact that the whole plot was perpetrated
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l;h his knowledge.
GARRISON: I don't a-- If I said that then I 'slake
Myself oleo ?a Because rermemhee. 2. th is accurate: well
done article, but it consists of save--al hund:ced facts, and there's
a pre blern of communication between humans . . would have to clarify
'chat now and say, 1 do not think that" Fidel Castro would know
with precision that : LuMh about -;,.t.'
think that from his --with his detachment -- and again I `W,
certainly no supporter of his, or of any Com n s t,. ) with hi f-.3
detachment, again, I think that he. was probably able to sense what
was in process when it happened.
INTERVIE'VIER: I see.
GARRISON: In a general way. And that's what I mean, Irom
IN` E iViEWEM: Well going back to the New Orleans aspect of
it,, do you feel that in New Orleans you have the key to the en~:l.re
Probe, I thin.JJ, if we want to call it. that?
GARRISON: Well, let me see if I can answer the question
this way. The only reason I would say that we have a key to it
in New Orleans is because New Orleans happens to be within our
jurisdiction. And we can -- we can investigate in Dallas, and we
have been investigating in Dallas. Now I can even talk about
Dallas without having a head out off from my investigator. But
New Orleans is simply a corner of the tapestry. And we happened
to stulaaable across it.
And I don?t claim that it was a great investigative job.
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I don a t think there, was really an honest e'- for: t `.P.kie "I F, -1.
was not given the entire picture The Central intelligence Agency
was concealing a large part of it and being protected. And ap-
parently no local jurisdictions any' here looked into it. So we
stuithied across a corner of ? he tapes try.
But the main part is still in Dallas. I doubt. that it will
ever be investigated in Dallas because of the fantastic financial
power of the elements of the establishment that are -involved. You
can't become head of the police force, and you can't become a major
figure in law enforcement in Dallas without the approval of some
of these very individuals who sponsored the assassination.
fliTE VXE ERs Well, in Dallas itself there are still many
unanswered questions, such as the -- almost the, tsell, excitement
or battle over, Was it one shot, or was it several In your a-t.-tic-10
the interview in Playboy -- you have gone ,with the theory that there
were seven, or perhaps more men that actually fired.
G RRiSCN: There's no mystery about whether or not there was
ra are than one shot. I don't think I can honestly say with precision
exactly how many, because the only persons who can say exactly how
many are the individuals who were doing the shooting. There would
necessarily be a certain amount of confusion in such a . situation.
It is clear however that -there were at least three different
directions from which shooting was coming. It was coming f ram the
Book Depository,.although from a different location than the window
where Oawald's supposed to be. It's quite apparent that there was
no shooting from that window, and least of all Oswald. And it ap-?
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pears likely that they were shooting -Eror1 another bL'.ildi11g in t h--
rear of either the F3herri$'s Bti ilding, W"'. more likely the n l.te
Build: nq. And a ove frill it is clear that. t.'?ere were ?--- there was
fixing from the grassy knol1g and the more sign:3fi' f. ~.8'~Cf~ and
~ . a .i. Cc.i7.'G ~.
the larger amount was from the grassy knoll o
That for example is where the fatal shot came from. 3ut again,
these things are concealed by r rater s1t.it iie techniq'u . What: : he
Warren Commission did was to call practically nobody o ~3 the area
of the grassy knoll. Two- thirds of the people in Dee . y = la a heard,
the shooting from the gassy knoll a They were not called. Some o-,%!
the people from the grassy knoll threw themselves --? from the grassy
knoll area -.-, threw the a s" .l ves down on the ground 1-0 keep J'-' om b ?.nq
hh3.t, They used phrases like p'a itsila e of fire coming ti'e the
stone wall.' At least one of them saw the face of one of the men
shooting from over the stone wail. And -these people were not.. call -.6.
before the Warren Commission because it would have ruined the scen-
ario.
To go to another aspect, if you take the t .me to go through
the medical testimony, he ore they trot real control of the doctors,
which took some years -~-~ now I'm sure if you go to the different
doctors they'll either say, I have no co;imment, or they've decided
on reflection after three years and say in the official position
? gat maybe they were wrong.
.But initially you find that the doctors at Parkland iHospital
had diagnosed the President's wound in the throat as being an
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entrant L'i und, no '. an exit wound. o ~: ?es e a fron-*-al shot
there. And then when you read the cause.of death p which decision
was made by Dr. McClellan a little after four .n the afternoon.,
you read. ?^- you find out that the fatal shot came in the E ,:i.Cienty
temple. And the temple is in the front of his s head', and a. '-he l~:C~sa
~ t-
k
De pos .+_o i- y is behind him. But of course these things are, rrtuted,
and have never been -ate not even mentioned in the smral,'ar'y by
the Warren Cor mission, because the idea is to try and make it
look like it was Oswald in the rear.
INTERVIEWER: One of the things that fascinated inc v in the
article in Playboy was the fact that so many items have been classi-
fied as top secret and placed i the National Archives.
GARRISON : For 75 years.
INTERVIEWER: For 75 years. in some of these ft Las do you.
think there is more information?
GARRISON : '.'here's no question about it. As a patter of
fact you can -.,. you can darn near get an idea of what happened,
even if you had not investigated it, by just going over the titles
which were -- in other words, files are given titles at a time
when the particular persons making theta up aren't thinking about
the concealment aspect, which is done later on by superiors. And
if you go over the list of titles of files which cannot be looked
at for 75 years, you can get an idea of the curious things which
concern the elements of the United States Government, and which
?C.hevP s re trying to conceal.
Now the attitude of the U. S. Government 'is that if you're
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30 years old right now, When you're 102v o u can look at these
files. That ?s, if they do not decide 75 years from naw, that it
has. to be delayed another 75 years, which is entirely possible.
This can be done o
GARRISON: Vrell, of course. V n. sure that they do not intend
for any living person to see what's in These files. For exc-u:p le,
t e file entitled. "The Central Intelligence Dossier on Lee Harvey
Oswald," vwnich undoubtedly would shout,, the pre-exis't:ing relationship
between O s ialc3 and the CIA, would show he was not a Communist in
any way. The CIA file on Jack Ruby, w .hich would show that Jack
Ruby was involved in a gun running operation, 'which is an operation
that the CIA encouraged, because it was useful to it with regard
to its anti-ca: ri..ro acti't! `? ties
On of the most. intersting ':~.les s which is classified as
secret, is the -- is entitled "Allegations of Private First Class
Eugene Dinkens" Here is a private first class, almost as low as
you can get in the ar? y, and he s 'sack some allegations. But
you cannot know what- these allegations are because it might affect
national security. Well these allegations are --- what these alle-
gations were very simply was that here is an individual, a young
man in the service, we found out, by another route was saying that
the President of the United States was probably going to be assas-
sinated by right wing elements sooner or later, by a Minute an
element. And he was saying it sa strongly that he got in trouble
in the service.
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turned out to be *.-rue, the United States Gov :,,nment had to k ep it
secret because they rdone t Want '3ecple knowing What happened.
Well now, Mr. Garrison, you're ....,. youlve lade,
I done t know whether charges is the right ~+3'or'd, but you have maid
that 'a he gove::r"'nmt''~.t r
p ~. .~ I P..wf. .~7 z?1f' ti the .,wl'.,.. L~{'psi
thing to say now is that obviously you fec-.-l that all
t3'w .a+.': sa
can be proved.
GARRISON: It has been proved tae ' ve won this `= a
:1 ? e a ccmrm na? cat3 on problem now. the j.,....they are 6 ou f'h as
far as developing the proof. The a and which was perpetrated
"s
by she United States government is exposed; there's no
.G with ques ti,.,ior. abo~~E. it. I can sit down with vo y objective y, ?.3.son
and in a little while leave no doubt in his rai ad about the,
fact that Q` -wr ,~ d. did not shoot: anyone, that he was an employee
of the United, Stz%te ; that, the United States government aftez
having him acquire the name of a Communist in its se: vice
then pa.c-ticipa.ted in a smear r and used that to take itself of f
the hook and keep from being ermbarra ~. ed ,
I ca m prove it to an-,
ybody if 7 have a little time; I
czan't bring it out all publicly now because of the ?tria? ; but
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g3Xiu:sis and 'b,'.hee place where it's carried" "; r compl et''i :v
is in Y),al..as; but what are you goingto do when there are
victuals in IrAw enforcement in Dallas who are deeply involved
in the assassination? When they arc- protected by a handful
of millionaires who helped sponsor the thing, in ? he ammo of
pata iotiemD in the insane sei'n`e; and when the United
t .~
government is proE`e' the killers of Jack Kennedy for
practical reasons, who e ss going to prosecute them? s can ? a.
go over in Dallas sand prosecute I:hem. As a natter c_- fact.
it?s going to be a .f : tt! e hardc-n: to o in Dallas that
s ve mentioned this aspect which we've kept quiet abo~ ' .
And 9s obvious that the United States government
has no inte.1.es~.. as 1 Y :s r t.7. in this s case; in ~p ~7t s.t:..r.. or ~:..,.?,~EwtX 3"i -:v justice ans:.t.
I. u{ h are just an emm.b arrassment: the matter's closed; we
must go on to more important things
The assassination's been ratified by the United Sttsates;
they accepted itv They changed theAr fo.reagn policy; they
went back-to the foreign policy that the sponsors of the
assassination wanted; and they don't ~w3ant to go into it
because its embarras sing.
But to sum this point up the fact probably is that
there will be in our lifetimes no real prosecution of the
sponsors and key individuals, or the assassins, because the
men in the jurisdiction where it happoned and where it
really originated are owned, controlled, by individuals
who sponsored it and they a re also protected by the united
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But a Yd3 going to do this zn,17.'c: er the Shc of case. 1111,
goi.lag to bring out their names one one and their
n:t:nt, no matte- how pout ar.'ul, no matter ho T rich they
end. invite them to come in .,:,j Li().r.t a w Th,
t:'::7 h. 4. G.t)1ds ~9 to Sue Aa.i~.~.{. P.~. S`'n
i they cone into c+.,.. a `].r ana to sue e t
heir guilt in a civil trial.
But ft:.: a.t's the only way I know to communicate to Z
'Gt_i.,
a CDC; Ie of this country what a fraud has been perpetrated
,
1\1T3 iavIE~ltU B IrZ Mrm .. G7:9.a w~.isoYS4. i < these c ea ~..~:ter^r s:.+ .r~~ nts that.
p + .? 4~:. e~L'.G.. ~ ai you have poli,.t icaf amp' ition , for Washington from the ?s'C ate
of Lou . 3. X1u ... ' say you did . to Wash i ngton; '
people voted you into Congress or into the. Senate--wha't,
would be your action Mn Washington with regard to the
assassination?
CARR 'S+O q < Scott, it's not oos s ~.b ~.: i?o: me to answ'er
t gat because I have no k_)cl.-.tioa aTC.-ji.'c?.ons, ..east of all do
I want to go-to Washington. I have none whatsoever. I doubt
iis I would go if the opportunity presented itself; it
wouldn't be that hard for me in Louisiana, to be honest
.about it; but 1 couldn't be less interested.
I happen to like what I'm doing... When I've finished
what I'm doing I might go in the private practice again
and have nothing to do with politics or government or reporters
who presume that I've gone into this investigation for
political reasons which certainly excludes you but I
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MO a iii n reporters have that alto i C9.r. ,
a`.3' I'm more iaite':'este in private j,3ra cti.c" . I tunny
have the interest in the Jest DA: S office
cot'Zntry "1110- we C:' i 'c a'ry S? .i d harJ'2- one (3 h m. We've accomi-olisalei.,
that; ? :w when Yve:) f:+.ni s:h doing c vet:
y'ti._'h
-i71Ly' oJ~c.: can
to thep^wop l e of this country the fantastic that has
been accompli s lied in the name of the Un.l.ted States
with a gold eagle v czmpe.d on it, then O rit interested
going back into private practice < And Washington? 1 cou'i du ? I
be less interested, especially with what I know now about
Washington.
s4 }~
.'? .IE RVI E ~ Garrison, ..t2s Well, r1,1b% 4sgoing back just a
shade, there have been a number of people involved in the
Kennedy investigation who have died. I believe the figure
is in the neighborhood of 20?
GAR ISCN: : c. ? s up to 35.
INTE : .`w: : 35. And one of the insurance coa' panie
said that the odds for this sort of a concentra ti oan .. .
GARRISON: Trillion to one.
INTERVIEWER: A trillion to oneO What is your attitude
toward this?
GAM-RI S ON Well, the insurance company's right because
all the deaths are not accidental but again I think this is
a problem that has to be approached with balance. In my
judgement, most of the deaths which are described are normal
in the sense of being reasonably representative of the
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pry idt&ble t..~a,4 ident s
For exam?ti3le o there s s a heat attack he :e and an a 1"4
mobilce?C.`?::wCn.3i'a .--hi other hart " 'rez z_
about the fact that a number of the .~:' s ar ' .ers. Fry r
' c ii 1e the ru,-an o ^Crg~[[~. ` n~ -?..- t.= f,^ r "e aa Jyy ' ~. a~ by
{ ~ aw
j? ~ 5.3 Eu. 1.o?}.i Y.L'I.e.'t+W AJ I.iG S'. .t- L.. ~..A.... V?vk-.3.~~
4~ a y~1a ?. a. through a suicide
h was thrown- --Hank Nall: Lam--he was e ~.~1
..3. f t;
glas, windoeww. His wife "'worked " - jacj],~ uTby.
And a:: xynwi?: be? x? of Individuals W110 worked Jack RI.. 'yF
had to tee ?e:~.`~ ~n ''c'q T''o.. ;.'. . l e ~:_:SCli:as
Much. For ~~ .a in assassination in New Orleans as as j 7 i- Z'3 c:? i n
at Dee ley Plaza and involved in the, '6' iC ^ .thg t's:_ Tippetts k have
e C3 at, Jack . by c s Caz-_vusr l Club; and v l ve :Sri '1 R s n
y that this And it s~e?si;~.p'~. that hard; this the-this is the un...
+~+
he, eve "b,.e par:'t, that S it wlam.!!~~,, sx m.Y. R :`=9'C..:.~'dR But anybody od4. who was s a
u9t 1,".aub ~':~?d.?d:w~' ViSl'W.
i^n tness to that has been-.....and known to .h,:he a3 witness--has been
hd x ~l dva .w~ removed, like Nancy Mooney.
Nancy Mooney was not only employed by Jack Ruby but
she was privy to many of these-'1:.1ese hap pe.-ni rigs. incidentally
the warren Commission Report never--the 26 volumes-never
quite adirti s she works for Jack Ruh G but she did.
And :.tin 1964 she w is one day arrested on a minor tech-
She had an argument with a girl or soirte thing.
The o hea: girl was not arrested,- she's arrested and in two
hours the Dallas police announced that sherd hanged herself.
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been rer?ovzdi. noo and thy'-. ;p:rcbc-L.;:P..t.:r,y : s
that sr. F':; ,? murdere ut E he:ce are n?7_ifb r of others who
were rtiu;6:d?:c:3"iz d for practical reasons and this ea ' aontinne
C v,en now except for the i robl m that the spotlight has been
pat on it. it s a little hard for the individuals who
initiated this o or. el eements of the Central a. "~ g a
keafw~Tip to ImL-~:~.~..r.T 501 ll.?.?' T ~ ~lc--5s7 because- 14- i~ c? s pou try '? t =.P `n plot 'E hen they just left the
vicinity of a church called the Chu Bch of ' Abianvd.ant Li--Fe
which happens to be at the cornet: of Ten h and Cra,wt'hrd..
7 y
And the Yvan that killed T yppe -t actually ran around
~ c~-, t~C..Y3.L.
the b oCk, dropped his jacket off in the parking lot and. wemt
straight into the Church of the Abundant Life; it was--!
can?' , tell you how easy it was to establish this; its un-
believazble that he went into the Church of the Abundant Life.
he time he wont in there Oswald was sitting in the
back of the Texas theater as instructed and held bought a
ticket and this fiction of a man going in without buying a
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