Career service Panel Office of Research and Development 6 October 1969

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• Document Release Date: November 10, 1998
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• Publication Date: October 6, 1969
• Content Type: AG

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AGENDA
Career Service Panel
Office of Research and Development
0900 hours
Room 607 - Conference Room
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1. Review of agenda for 6 October 1969
2. Review of minutes for 15 September 1969
3. a. Promotion actions
b. ORD staff changes or additions
c. Advance notice of s ecial ORD training
25X1A9a 4. Discussion on Retirement Report
25X1A9a 5. CSP semi-annual report
6. New business
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CAREER SERVICE PANEL
Minutes of the Meeting
6 October 1969
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2. There was one addition to the agenda for 6 October 1969:
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1. Acting Chairman, declared a quorum was present and
called the meeting to order at 0905 hours.
Acting Chairman
Recording Secretary
Discussion on Item 9, page 5 of the CSP minutes
dated 15 September 1969.
3. The following correction was made to the minutes for 15 September
a. Item 10, page 5 to read:
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"....Vote was 4 in favor and 3 not in favor
of having the decision on
promotion stand as decided on 8 August 1969.
4. brought up a point of order on the consideration of
training for GS-16s by the Career Service Panel rather than the Senior
Career Board. It is the policy of ORD that training for GS-16s be con-
sidered by ORD CSP.
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5. reported on the following:
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a. Contract Negotiator, Contract & Audit
Staff/OL, from GS-12 to GS-13, effective 7 September 1969.
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QUALITY STEP INCREASES:
a. GS-14, step .4 to GS-14, step 5, Phys.
Scientist - Research.
25X1A9a b. GS-15, step 7 to GS-15, step 8, Phys.
Scientist - Research.
RESIGNATIONS:
25X1A9a a. GS-15, Phys. Scien. - Res.,
19 September 1969. Will act as Director, Advanced
Systems Planning Group, U. S. Naval Security Group
Command.
25X1A9a b. GS-4, Clerk Typist, RP/ORD - 19 September
1969 to return home.
ADDITIONS:
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a. Mlerk Stenographer, GS-4, joined RP/ORI).
25X1A9a b. Clerk Typist, GS-4, joined AO/ORD.
c. Phys. Scien - Res., GS-12 joined An/ORD-
8 September 1969.
TRAINING:
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6. reported that he had run off ORD retirement:
statistics and had talked with people in ORD on retirement. Generally,
ORD people seem not to be concerned about the mandatory retirement age
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employees if they were aware of the mandatory retirement age of 60 and
when were they made aware of this regulation. Quite a few of the
employees told him they knew it was age 60 and "always knew" this. Most
of the employees have been aboard for three or five years; one person has
25X1A9a been aboard 11 years. further reported that of the people
on board for ORD at this time, at the age of 60, there will be 21. people
with 40 years of service; 23 with less than 30 years of service; 9 people
with less than 25 years of service; and one with less than 10 years of
service.
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7. stated that he would like to know what recourse an
employee has for appeal if he was hired before the mandatory retirement age
for the Agency was made to be 60 years of age. He asked what legal action
can be taken for those people who want to work for the Agency until they
are 65 years old, whereas in other places an employee may retire
voluntarily at this age.
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25X1A9a 8. stated that questions should be covered in
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25X1A9a 9. further stated that he didn't know whether other
agencies anc ed their retirement policy under Civil Service as the
Agency does or if they handle it in a different way. There are other
"exception" Agencies who have the same kind of retirement policy as
25X1A9a the Agency but as unable to find out the names of these
agencies.
25X1A9a 10. further stated that the Agency hiring policy is
becoming very firm. An employee will be given a Reserve appointment if
say, for example, he comes into the Agency at the age of 50, and will
have 15 years of government service at the age of 60. He must retire at
the age of 60; he cannot receive extensions to stay until age 62.
25X1A9a 11. - stated that he felt report should be
25X1A9a sent to the Inspector General's office asking for the current policy on
extending retirement or the ground rules for retirement extensions.
25X1A9a 12. stated he felt the basic questions raised by the
CSP committee on retirement to be answered were:
a. Is the Agency policy on retirement under the
Civil Service Retirement Act, a punishment as
compared to other agencies?
b. If there is an unfairness in respect to other
agencies, what are the dimensions of unfairness?
c. Is it unfair in respect to Civil Service applicants
and, if so, what way is it being unfair?
d. If the Agency is being unfair, is it not proper to
get legislative relief?
25X1A9a 13. stated he felt that a man at 60 has many assets to
offer an office, and it seems as if the Agency is pushing this'but of
the door."
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14. stated that it has been established that retirement
extensions can be obtained for one year at a time up to age 62.
15. stated that the Agency is not putting out a
structure of rules as to how the Civil Service retirement program is
going to be implemented. The Agency has established a retirement policy
outside CIARD. Civil Service administers it. He further stated that one
of the objectives of the Career Service Panel report is to see what kind
of response the Panel will get from the employees of ORD.
25X1A9a 16. asked the Panel about the employee who does not
want to retire at age 60 and wants to continue working after age 60.
The question that remains is how many people are going to have 30 years
at the age of 60, and how many people desire to retain the option of
working uA Aby are 70 years old.
17. stated that the regulation states the policy of
retirement very clearly and that it is the policy of the Director of
the Agency. He pointed out that the CSP had agreed that if such questions
were to b~J} e~da they should be given to the Senior Career Board.
18. I stated that it might be proper to seek legislative
relief for those who must retire at the mandatory age of 60. It was
suggested they might receive a slight increase in percentage to make up
for additional years they are not able to work and give the individual
monetary relief.
25X1A9a 19. pointed out that the average age for the Agency is
25X1A9a 37, and the DCI intendes that it should go down. stated that
10 years ago it was 32.
25X1A9a 20. moved that the Executive Secretary/CSP be asked to
identify the inequities that exist between the implementation of the
Agency's retirement program and other government agencies under the
25X1A9a Civil Service retirement program. seconded the motion.
Four members voted for and one member opposed the action. Motion carried.
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was asked to do the following:
a. Compare FBI, State Department, DoD, NIH, HEW, NSA (have
similar ground rules on retirement as CIA), and other
major agencies of the government. There may be other
inequities other than mandatory age of 60 for retirement.
b. Find out which agencies in the government are "excepted"
and how they implement Civil Service retirement.
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21. (Continued)
c. Find out any other additional data to support ORD
CSP case that the Agency's administrative handling
of Civil Service retirement is unique.
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22. moved that the CSP approve the release of the
CSP semi-annual report to ORD employees with two revisions, if necessary.
Motion seconded. Vote unanimous. Motion carried.
23. The next meeting of the CSP was scheduled for 3 November 1969.
24. Meeting adjourned at 1000 hours.
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