CAREER SERVICE PANEL Minutes of the Meeting 2 February 1970

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• Publication Date: February 2, 1970
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CAREER SERVICE PANEL
Minutes of the Meeting
2 February 1970
Attendees:
Chairman
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25X1A9a Recording secretary
1. The Chairman called the meeting to order at 0905 hours.
2. There were no additions to the agenda for 2 February 1970.
3. There were no additions or corrections to the minutes for
5 January 1970. Minutes were approved as written.
25X1A9a 4. reported the following:
PROMOTIONS:
25X1A9 a. Secretary Steno, GS-6 to GS-7, Support Staff/ORD.
b. ORD Personnel has had no word on promotion actions for
25X1A9a Messrs. from Office of Personnel as
of this date.
QUALITY STEP INCREASE:
25X1A9a a. Secretary Steno, GS-7, step 7 to GS-7, step 8,
RP/ORD.
ADDITIONS:
25X1A9a a. Phys Scien-Res., AP/ORD - GS-13, step 3,
EOD - 1/18/70.
25X1A9a b. Phys Scien-Res., RP/ORD - GS-12, step 2,
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TRANSFER:
25X1A9a a. Secretary Steno, GS-5 to Office of Security
from D ORD on 1 30/70.
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RESIGNATION:
a. Clerk Typist, GS-4, D/ORD from LWOP/Maternity
on 25 January 1970.
ADVANCE TRAINING NOTICES:
a. Intelligence Review Course (held twice a year). Next
running will probably be in April. It is for middle-grade
and senior officers who have been with the Agency five years.
It is given in the Washington area. Covers Agency's
development under the central intelligence concept, changes
in functions of the intelligence community, recent or-
ganization developments to meet current and future
responsibilities, problems of coordination and future trends
in intelligence.
ORD HAD NO CANDIDATES LAST YEAR.
b. Senior Management Seminar (Planning) 5 - 10 April running
last year.
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c. Executive Seminar Centers - Berkeley, California; Kings :Point,
New York - 1971.
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5. The Career Service Panel then took up consideration of
promotion action for from GS-14 to GS-15. In the
discussion, it was noted that works as a consultant for consulting is in the very broad, unbounded subject of aerodynamics.
told the Panel that AP has no contracts with
stated that the Agency does have contracts with them.
pointed out that legally there is no conflict of interest. Anytime ORD
has a contract with _ there would be a check-up on this association.
further stated that if something like this does come up, it
Board except to note it.
To
paragraph 3 of memorandum
stated that it was not a matter for the
question on more information in reference to
recommending for promotion,
has had several job offers including
a continous one from since he has a very demanding family
financial situation, this could lead to his leaving. This fact is
secondary to the fact that he has truly earned a promotion.
again expressed concern about
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association with and asked if the CSP should be more concerned about
this. He asked if there was a check on the continual activity. Mr. 25X1A5a2
stated that this association has been reviewed and approved by
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25X1A9 d' (Continued)
25X1A9a promotion, 25X1A5a2
stated that if received the he
could discuss with him the dropping of his association with _
25X1A9a stated that if the fact that a regular staff employee
25X1A9a can act as a consultant gets to the other men in ORD, then they will
probably want to do something like this too. 25X1A5a2
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stated that is used by - as a mathematician 25X1A5a2
and general problem solver. He does this work in the evenings. Mr.
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25X1A9a sultant working for and AP ORD, work on computer problems
in the evenings in the ORD IPRD facility.
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25X1A9a seems to be an individualist. -asked if had 25X1A9a
25X1A9a managerial or supervisory ability. stated MEN when he hired 25X1A5a2
25X1A9a he was supervising a team o seven people at - Since
he has come to AP/ORD, he has been working primarily as a problem solver.
25X1A9a went on to describe duties, mentioning that 25X1 Aga
did set up his work very thoroughly. stated he has 25X1A9a
25X1A9a seen him pull together associates in AP on a problem. He further stated
that was not very patient with people who weren't very smart. 25X1A5a2
25X1A9a He stated that was doing a superlative job with
and the handling of their people. He mentioned AP's effort to get -W
to use internal funds to work on a problem for the future. They used
25X1A9a $30K of their own money on proposal.
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- stated he felt the Panel was discussing a problem entirely
separate from the promotion action --if there is anything wrong with
being a consultant, it should be discussed at another time.
repeated that he didn't think this should be discussed
by the Panel.
stated he was concerned with what is going on underneath
the approval. It has a very strong bearing on being promoted 25X1A9a
25X1A9a to a GS-15. stated that he has seen no single instance of 25X1A5a2
25X1A9a conflict of interest based on association with M With
25X1A9a respect to the computer program, stated he is informed on
the specific reasons for its use. He went on to say, "the very intangible
things that could rest beneath the surface - they should be of
concern, but I think you would have to 'dig deep' in this case."
25X1A9a stated that this general issue will be brought up
with Mr. Chapman in open discussion at the ORD Staff Meeting.
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5. (Continued)
25X1A9a stated his feelings about He felt that
25X1A9a is an office asset. He stated that the Panel should look
at this man in line of other people in ORD. He stated few ORD people
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25X1 A9a put into their job as much as He felt that 25X1A9a
is one of the few - if not the only scientist in ORD. He felt there
was no conflict of interest on the part of 75X1 A9a
25X1A9a stated that this concern was not aimed at one individual,
but he was looking at it from an Agency viewpoint. 25X1A9a
stated that any outsider (Congressman, etc.) could question this
situation and ORD could never prove this was not wrong.
25X1A9a stated that flexibility and versatility to 25X1A9a
25X1A9a work on anything, and his wil ingness to do it well turns out to be
his real value. went on to inform the Panel about three
25X1A9apapers written by
25X1A9a asked if was jumping from problem to
problem in wide diversified areas and never sticking to any one
project to finish it. stated he didn't think this was so.
25X1A9a To the question of whether (a) had a strong viewpoint such
as "play it my way or I won't play," and (b) overall effectiveness.
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t e time w en he argues with you! nat stated the question
remains not that of argument but "I won't play," and as to whether
the organization benefits - not whether he is right or wrong!
25X1A9a stated if there is a problem of taking a GS-15 from
any division, let's look at who else is going to have promotions to
a GS-15.
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stated his intent to recommend promotion for _
25X1A9a to a GS-15 on the regular schedule.
The question of headroom was brought up, and stated
problem for D/ORD.
stated that, "D/ORD looks at this as an office problem.
the Panel was governed by its charter to make promotion recommendations
with a statement to Mr. Chapman about headroom; then, it becomes a
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The Panel should look at the man. The administerial and managerial
problems are for the D/ORD. The Panel should not try to manage the
structure of the office. We must retain our position as a Panel and
not work on the managerial problems. If is recommended for
promotion then this represents another problem for D/ORD. It is up
to Mr. Chapman to find the solution whether it is an SPS, etc."
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255 5. (Continued)
25X1 A91 Ala moved that CSP recommend /AP/ORD 25X1A9a
for promotion from GS-14 to GS-15. - seconded the motion. Seven
members voted in favor and two opposed the recommendation. 25X1A9a
voted against the promotion because he believes did not 25X1A9a
exercise judgment befitting a GS-15 in becoming a consultant for a
company that has had contracts in the past, and would want contracts in
the future, with ORD and with AP/ORD. stated he felt the 25X1A9a
25X1A9a same based upon the grade criteria established by the Panel. Mr.
25X1 A9a felt that measured up in the technical capacity 25X1A9a
only, but in other categories he was not GS-15 caliber.
asked to go on record objecting to the criticism of judgment 25X1 A9a
since there was satisfactory evidence presented to make the case.
Motion carried.
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tated he would like to go on record as stating that
the matter of ORD having professional staff people serve as consultants
is a questionable and unwise policy.
25X1A9a 6. moved that ORD further investigate whether or not
it is desirable to have professionals on the staff to serve as con-
sultants with Agency contractors. raised objection to the
question. No vote was taken.
25X1A9a 7. DD/OSI and DD/S&T Representative on the
Agency Retirement Boar addressed the Panel on Agency retirement and
the Agency's unique treatment of the retirement policy of the Federal
government. (See Attachment 2 for a report on this part of the
meeting. This was an off-the-record discussion and the remarks were
not taken verbatim.)
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8. There were no ORD nominees for the External Management Course.
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9. wished to go on record as having withdrawn from 25X1A9
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the Federal Executive Institute course. stated that
he had interest in the seminars for 1971. said he would 25X1A9a
like to talk to D/ORD about attending this course.
25X1A9a 10. reported on Agency policy concerning the hiring
of clerical help and the procedures followed when they come on board.
(See Attachment 3)
25X1A9a 11. questioned Agency policy on comp utin moving 25X1A9a
expenses for new ORD employee, provided 25X1A9a
some answers; this will be pursued further outside CSP.
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12. The next CSP meeting was schedule for 2 March 1970 at
0900 hours.
13. The Chairman requested the Recording Secretary to include on
the agenda for 2 March, a further discussion on Agency retirement
policy. He asked that the Panel members submit suggestions to
DD/ORD on how ORD should move in making known their feelings on this
matter.
14. Meeting adjourned at 1135 hours.
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Career Service Panel/(RD
Chairman/CSP/ORD
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