JOURNAL - OFFICE OF LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL

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• Publication Date: January 30, 1975
• Content Type: NOTES

Thursday - 30 January 1975
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9,' Met with John Swearingen, qP=ice
Rules and Administration Committee staff, in connection with the
Committee's jurisdiction. under S., Res. 369 concerning the transfer
of the Ervin Select Committee records to the Library of Congress and
the Senate Rules and Administration Committee's control and access
of use of such records. I pointed out the factors which bear on the
separate treatment of the CIA material, including the 1 February 1974
written agreement with Senator Howard Baker (R., Tenn. ), the vagueness
on the issue of whether the Ervin Select Committee ever considered these
were their records, the action of the j~ e in the House
of returning essentially similar recor s to e genccyy `ility- and if this
is not possible, our storage recommendation that they be stored in the
National Archives and not the Library of Congress, an opinion we believe
is shared by the current custodian, Mr. George Murphy, Joint Committee
on Atomic Energy, and hopefully Senator Baker as well,. I pointed out
the extreme sensitivity of the material, especially names, and information
bearing on intelligence sources and methods which are protected from
disclosure by statute, and then characterized the holdings within the
Joint Committee on Atomic Energy vault. I also suggested that the
establishment of aCr,. t Pa ,,, ay well want access to this
material. and it would appear that it would be more convenient if it were
retained in the Joint Committee vault
res onse to his uer I told Swearin e
that I was reluctant
to leave wit xm, even a.n. sa e storage, t he compilation I had with me
(I did not review it with him:in any detail), which consisted of the table
of contents of all of the volumes we compiled for Senator Baker's inquiry
and which is now in the Joint Committee vault, but offered to meet with
him and Senator Howard Cannon on this if Swearingen felt that he would +':'.
be at a disadvantage in dealing with Senator Cannon on this subject without
the material in hand. Swearingen is leaning towards recommending that the
material remain in the Joint Committee vault and he does appear to
appreciate our legitimate interest in controlling and limiting access to even
1 ` the compilation of the table of contents because of the items revealed as well
as the provocative name of some of the entries. Ile plans to schedule
a session with Senator Cannon next-, week.
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Paul. Simon's (D. office requesting a copy of t:h.e People's Republic
of China i\tlas. I told them that GPO was planning another edition and that
Rand McNally also offered it cornrznerci.ally? I vas told they would got in
touch with. GPO.
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Thursday - 23 January 1.975
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I. I Delivered to the office of Senator
John C. Stennis (D., Miss.) the Director's paper on Instances of the
Value of Intelligence.
2, I Delivered to the Senate Armed Services
Committee for Ed .Braswell, Chief Counsel and Staff Director, the Director's
paper on Instances of the Value of Intelligence.
3. Delivered to the Joint Economic Committee
for Richard Kaufman an unclassified paper on cost comparison of Soviet
and U. S. defense activities.
4. Delivered to the office of Representative
Ronald V. Dellurns (D. , Calif.) for Mr. Lou Anino a copy of the National
Security Act of 1947 and the CIA Act of 1949.
25X1 5. Took a call from Jay Sourwine,
Chief Counsel, to udi- c~ iar~r Subcommittee on Internal Security, who
was interested in the x e.n i?y o a certain Soviet defector. Sourwine had
some information on the defector but could not remember his name. After
STATINTL checking with CI Staff, I phoned Sourwine and gave him the
names of severer defect )rs. One of these was apparently the right one. STATINTL
7. Jucly, on the staff of Representative
Timothy E. Wirth (D. , Colo. ), called to ask about the availability of the
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People's 12epublic of China Alas. I told her GPO was making plans
reprint it shortly and that it was available con-imerically from the
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Monday - 20 January 1975
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15. Together withi Deputy
General Counsel met 44-1, P
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Summitt, Counsel Sf ti 1$r Tiid i ri n r r
Subcommittee on Criminal LJ;vts and Procedures, and with Doug Marvin,
Counsel, Senate Judiciary Committee, to discuss the unauthorized disclosures
section in S. 1, the codification of the criminal laws, and the Agency's
proposal for the protection of intelligence sources and methods. See
Memorandum for the Record.
Representative Robert L. F. Sikes, and told her that I was sending up the
material that the Congressman had requested. I told Mrs. Christie that
this material was cranked out in a hurry this weekend and if the Congressman
needed anything further to please call us. I also checked with her to make
sure that a copy of the Director's statement had been delivered to him She
said that it had.
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Armed Services Committee, and advised him of the items we had suggested
the Director take up with Chairman Stennis during their telephone call this
morning. Braswell said there are not enough senior people concerned over
the select committee issue and he feels Stennis is going to get out-voted.. I
asked if he thought they were pushing for a permanent committee and he said
it is.ad hoc but will probably last all Congress. He said it would be an investi-
gative committee. I mentioned to Braswell, re the Foreign Assistance Act, that
the Director has a Presidential finding and would like to get on record with the
Subcommittee as soon as possible, and advised him of my session with Pat Molt,
Senate Foreign Relations Committee staff, and Richard Moose, of the staff, on
how to handle this with. their Committee. I said we might have some real
problems there but the Director will dig his heels in on having some understandin
as to how this will be handled. I suggested that Braswell get Stennis to speak
with Senator Sparkman. I commented that the Director has also talked to
Senator Humphrey and Braswell said Humphrey is the best hope.
Braswell called later in the day and asked if the Director would come
up tomorrow at 2:30 p.m. to brief the Subcommittee on the Presidential
findings. After checking with the Director's,,..officF,-, this time wa
confirmed.
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GEO.f E L. CAR
Legislative Counsel
Mr. Thuermer, Mr. Warner, Mr. Lehman,
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10. As a follow up to comments made by 25X1A
Senator Roman L. Hruska (R. , Neb.) expressing his interest in our
pending legislation to protect sources and methods and S. 1, the modification
of the criminal laws, I called Doug Marvin Senator. Hruska's. staff man on
the Judiciary Committee and arranged for OGC, and myself
to meet with Marvin and Paul Summitt, Chief Counsel, Subcommittee on
Criminal Laws and Procedures _ ttee, at 10:30 a. m.
Monday morning. Marvin indica e at e had received a call from
Senator Hruska and was prepared to offer us full support.
11. Received a call from Jim Davidson,
Counsel, Subcommittee on Intergovernmental Relations, Senate Government
Operations Committee, inquiring as to the status of his request. for a copy
of the 1948 delineation agreement of responsibilities between the FBI and the
CIA. I explained that this had involved considerable search but hoped to
have a copy for him shortly. He noted that he had been talking to Clark
Clifford yesterday and that Clifford said he had written the letter.
Davidson added that we should continue to prepare for a request
for the Director to appear on short notice before the Subcommittee on
Intergovernmental Relations (Muskie) of Senate Government Operations
Committee, on the establishment of a joint committee on intelligence.
However, there is a possibility that if the Congress passes the bill which
Senator John O. Pastore (D. , R. I.) will introduce on Monday to establish
a select committee to investigate the CIA, that committee may undertake
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12. in Mr. Thuermer's office
called and he received an inquiry from Nick Horrock, a reporter for the
New York Times. Horrock asked if the Agency wanted to comment on a
story that he was going to publish that Senator Howard H. Baker, Jr.
(R. , Tenn.) has information that the Agency has
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.Monday -- 13 January 1975
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I called Jim Kronfeld, Staff Counsel, House Government Operations Subcommittee
on Foreign Operations and Government Information, and asked for his under-
standing of how an agency should handle a Freedom of Information request when
it has documents concerning the subject of interest but they were originated by
another agency. He said he would have to give it some thought and would call
me back.
called Jay Sourwine, Chief Counsel, ganafa T11rli~iar