JOURNAL OFFICE OF LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL

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• Document Creation Date: December 20, 2016
• Document Release Date: November 2, 2006
• Sequence Number: 18
• Publication Date: November 6, 1975
• Content Type: NOTES

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JOURNAL
OFFICE OF LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL
Thursday - 6 November 1975
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3. LEGISLATION Jim Stiinpson, OMB, called
to comment on a portion of our prepared testimony on S. 2515 (testing on
human subjects), which we had forwarded to him earlier in the day. He
requested that we maize our support for a Commission more conditional
in view of the fact that HEW was opposing the creation of the Commission
proposed in S. 2515.
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STAT , 7? HEARINGS Delivered OTS' expanded
'responses to the Senator Edward M. Kennedy (D. , Mass.) 25 September
letter to James Michie, Investigator on the Senate Subcommittee on
Administrative Practice and Procedure, Committee on the Judiciary.
He gave me some additional documents that he wanted declassified for
the hearings. These were given to Ito handle.
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Subcommittee Gi Administrative Practice and Procedure tomorrow. I
told Stimpson that the statement was completed and ready to go to the
Subcommittee and I felt we had adequately covered the points which. he raised
in slightly different words. After going over these items individually,
Stimpson agreed but made it clear that we should not take a position with
the Subcommittee ? which would be construed as support for Chairman Edward M.
Kennedy's (D. , Mass.) bill, S. 2515.
certain changes in our prepared statement before the`a
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ADMINISTRATIVE Called Mr. James
Stimpson, OMB, regarding his suggestions tol that we make
15. LIAISON Called Guy McConnell, Senate
Appropriations Committee staff, to advise him the Senate Sula o rat i 1 t .ol
health ~lnd A_dr ra{iye Practice and PrQCedurs -.staffers were pressing -as
very hard to declassify several documents including IG reports which we felt:
we could not make public. I told McConnell I would, app:?eciate it if he would
inform Chairman McClellan of this development in the C'Tent he felt
it appropriate to take the matter up with Senator Edward. Kennedy (D. , Mass.,) a.t:
tomorrow's hearing. McConnell said he would talk with ':he Senator about
it.
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16. LIAISON Called Bill Simpson,
Legislative Assistant to 7nat or James 0E (D. , Miss. ), toadvise him that
Senator Edward Kennedy's (D. $~ Mass.) Subcommittees on IIe.alth(of. Labor andPul i
tiVelfarF 1 a?d Administrative Practice and Procedure of. Judiciar were"
pressing us very hard to declassify several documents including IG reports
which we felt we could not make public. I told Simpson I thought he might a
want to advise Senator Eastland who is Chairman of. the. full Judiciary
Committee, of this development. Simpson said he was glad I called him
about this and hoped I would call on him in any other similar circumstance
in the future. He said it sounded as if we had. been most reasonable in
our efforts to cooperate with the Kennedy Subcommittees and as he
put it "enough is enough.
17. I I LIAISON During the course of the
evening I received numerous calls from Thomas Susrnan, James Michie
and Walter Sheridan (Senate Judiciar Subcom i t e on Administr'
Practice and Procedure .fin Dr. Larry Horowitz (Senate Committee on
Labor and Public Welfare Subcommittee on Health), regarding tomorrow's
testimony. They were pressing for the release of various documents and
specifically the release of the IG report of 1963 on the drug program or
pertinent parts thereof. I told them we had discussed this matter with the
Director and he felt that while we had been perfectly willing to provide
these reports to the Subcommittees and to the staff in classified form,
he had serious reservations about making these documents public since
this would destroy the effectiveness of a vital means of communication
between employees of the Agency and the IG and between the I.G and. the
Director. The staffers said Senator Kennedy had discussed his interest
in the release of these documents with various members of the Subcommittees
who supported him in his position and that we could expect a strong position
from the Subcommittees on this issue tomorrow. They said further that
they would be meeting with Kennedy at his homy; tonight and the Director
might expect a call from the Senator later in the evening.
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Lippencott, DOD Legislative Affairs, who was at that moment in the
offices of the Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Administrative Practice
and procedure, and told hhimofof our position with regard to IG reports.
Lippencott said he was glad to know this, that their IG reports were
Official Use Only but they also plan to object to the release of these
reports to the public.
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Legislative Counsel
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Wednesday -- 5 November 1975
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5. LIAISON In the abs ence of
called Jim Michie, Senate Ju_dici..Subcoi-nm.ittee on
Administrative Practice and rrocedure staff, and informed him that
the following individuals were granted Secret clearances: William A.
Coates, Senator Strom Thurmond's (R., S. Car.), Minority Staff Counsel,
Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Senate Labor and Public Welfare.
Subcommittee on Health; Donald Elisburg, Counsel, Senate Labor and
Public Welfare Subcommittee on Labor, and Nik Ed.es, Senate Labor
and Public Welfare Committee staff.
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Legislative Counsel.
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Mr. Thuermer
Mr. l'armente>r
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Wednesday - 5 November 1975
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4. I I LEGISLATION Talked to Ann Stone, QMB,
Iconcerning S. 2515 (testing on human subjects). She told rn.e the Ad mini tration
had not yet settled on a position, but that it appeared that HEW was opposing
it because it would disrupt the already existing temporary corni-nission on
biomedical and behavioral testing.
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