CONFERENCE REPORT ON S. 3341, TRAVEL EXPENSES AMENDMENT ACT OF 1974

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portunity to move to instruct the House
conferees to not accede to the Senate
provision which would increase' the
weight of trucks from the existing 73,000
pounds to 80,000.
I thank the gentleman.
Mr. JONES of Alabama. Mr. Speaker,
will the gentleman yield?
Mr. HARSHA. I yield to the gentle-
man from Alabama.
Mr. JONES of Alabama.. Mr. Speaker,
I fail to see the consequences of the gen-
tleman's motion, so where the conferees
can go Into conference and make their
decisions would be the most appropriate
way to go about an orderly consideration
of a bill in conference.
Mr. HARSHA. Mr. Speaker, I move the
previous question on the motion.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The ques-
tion is on the motion offered by the
gentleman from Ohio (Mr. HARSHA).
Mr. KOCH. Mr. Speaker, . on that I
demand the yeas and nays.
The yeas and nays were refused.
The previous question was ordered.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The ques-
tion is on the motion offered, by the gen-
tleman from Ohio (Mr. HARSHA).
The motion was agreed to.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. W
question, the Chair appoints thellow-
ing conferees: Messrs. WRICHT, KLU-
czyi sxI, JOHNSON of California, RSHA,
and CLEVELAND.
There was no objection.
GENERAL LEAVE
Mr. JOHNSON of California Mr.
Speaker, I ask unanimous consen that
all Members may have 5 legislativ days
in which to revise and extend the re-
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there
objection to the request of the gentle-
man from California?
There was no objection.
FURTHER MESSAGE FROM THE
SENATE
A further message from the Senate
by Mr. Arrington, one of its clerks, an-
nounced that the Senate agrees to the
report of the committee of conference
on the disagreeing votes of the two
Houses on the amendments of the Sen-
ate to the bill (H.R. 5463) entitled "An
act to establish rules of evidence for
certain courts and proceedings."
The message also announced that the
Senate had passed with amendments in
which the concurrence of the House is
requested a bill of the House of the fol-
lowing title:
H.R. 17468. An act making appropriations
for military construction for the Department
of Defense for the fiscal year ending June 30,
1975, and for other purposes.
The message also announced that the
Senate insists upon its amendments to
the bill (H.R. 17468) entitled "An act
making appropriations for military con-
struction for the Department of De-
fense for the fiscal year ending June 30,
1975, and for other purposes," disagreed
to by the House; agrees to the confer-
ence asked by the -House on the disagree-
ing votes of the two Houses thereon, and
appoints Mr. PROXMIRE, Mr. MCCLELLAN,
Mr. MONTOYA, Mr. HOLLINGS, Mr. PAS-
TORE, Mr. SYMINGTON, Mr. CANNON, Mr.
SCHWEIKER, Mr. YouNG, Mr. MATHIAS, and
Mr. TOWER to be the conferees on the
part of the Senate.
APPOINTMENT OF CONFEREES ON
H.R. 17468, APPROPRIATIONS FOR
MILITARY CONSTRUCTION FOR
DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE FOR
FISCAL YEAR ENDING JUNE 30,
1975
Mr. SIKES. Mr. Speaker, I ask unani-
mous consent to take from the Speaker's
table the bill H.R. 17468, making appro-
priations for military construction for
the Department of Defense for the fiscal
year ending June 30, 1975, and for other
purposes, with Senate amendments
thereto, disagree to the Senate amend-
ments, and agree to the conference
asked by the Senate.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there
objection to the request of the gentle-
man from Florida? The Chair hears none
and appoints the following conferees:
Messrs. SIKES, PATTEN, LONG of Mary-
land, OBEY,
Q,jj
bY, MAHON, MCEWEN,
CONFERENCE REPORT ON S. 3341,
TRAVEL EXPENSES AMENDMENT
ACT OF 1974
Mr. BROOKS. Mr. Speaker, I call up
the conference report on the Senate bill
(S. 3341) to revise certain provisions of
title 5. United States Code, relating to
per diem and milage expenses of em-
ployees and other individuals traveling
on official business, and for other pur-
poses, and ask unanimous consent that
the statement of the managers be read
in lieu of the report.
The Clerk read the title of the Senate
bill.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there
objection to the request of the gentle-
man from Texas?
There was no objection.
The Clerk read the statement.
(For conference report and statement,
see proceedings of the House of De-
cember 6, 1974.)
Mr. BROOKS (during the reading).
Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent
that the statement be considered as
read.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. It there
objection to the request of the gentle-
man from Texas?
There was no objection.
Mr. BROOKS. Mr. Speaker, I yield
myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Speaker, on October 7, the House
passed legislation to increase the per
diem and mileage allowances 'for Gov-
ernment employees while traveling on
official business. The House language
differed from that of the Senate and a
conference was needed. The conferees
have met and filed their report.
The report essentially follows the
House language. I will summarize very
briefly the points of disagreement be-
tween the two versions and the recom-
mended solution:
1974
First, the House language provided for
the per diem rates to be set by regula-
tion up to $35 per day. The Senate lan-
guage sets a flat rate of $35. The con-
ference report accepts the House lan-
guage.
Second, the House conferees agreed
that the per diem rate for travel outside
the continental United States should be
set by the President, not the Adminis-
trator of the General Services Adminis-
tration.
Third, when foreign travel expenses
exceed the per diem allowance, a supple-
ment of $21 was agreed to. The House
bill had provided $20; the Senate bill
$23.
Fourth, with'regard to mileage reim-
bursement, the Senate had provided for
minimum rates of 9 cents for motor-
cycles, 16 cents for automobiles, and 20
cents for airplanes. The Senate bill con-
tained an automatic escalator with no
statutory maximum. The House bill con-
tained no minimum rates but maximum
allowances of 9 cents for motorcycles, 18
cents for automobiles, and 24 cents for
airplanes. The conference report adopts
a minimum-maximum concept with the
following ranges: 8 to 11 cents for
motorcycles; 15 to 20 cents for automo-
biles; 18 to 24 cents for airplanes.
Fifth, the conferees accepted the
House provision for an annual adjust-
ment rather than a semi-annal adjust-
ment in these rates.
Sixth, finally, the House conferees ac-
cepted provisions in the Senate bill pro-
viding that per diem and mileage.reim-
bursements for disabled veterans en-
titled to such be at the same rates as
those set for Government employees,
and a Senate amendment prohibiting
additional appropriations in fiscal year
1975 to cover any-increased expendi-
tures as a result of passage of this
legislation.
Mr. Speaker, the conference report re-
flects a reasonable resolution of the dif-
ferences in the Senate and House meas-
ures. It will alleviate an Inequitable bur-
den now on Federal employees without
being extravagant or wasteful. I urge its
adoption.
Mr. BUCHANAN. Mr. Speaker, I yield
myself such time as I may consume.
(Mr. BUCHANAN asked and was given
permission to revise and extend his
remarks.)
Mr. BUCHANAN. Mr. Speaker, I rise
in support of the conference report on
S. 3341, which was unanimously agreed
to by the conferees. The bill will set the
per diem at a rate not to exceed $35 and
the mileage allowance for the use of pri-
vately owned vehicles at 15 cents per
mile for both Federal employees and vet-
erans with service-connected disabilities
traveling to and from Veterans' Admin-
istration facilities.
During the past year there were more
than 10 million visits by such veterans to
VA facilities. The current VA per diem
of $12 and mileage allowance of 6 cents
are inadequate.
With the high cost of gasoline, food,
and lodging, veterans simply can no
longer afford to make the necessary trips
to the hospitals and centers to obtain
their medical care. In many cases to
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Mitchell, Md. Roncallo. Wyo. Thompson, N.J.
Moakley Rooney, Pa. Thomson, Wis.
Montgomery Rosenthal Traxler
Moorhead, Pa. Rostenkowski Treen
Morgan Roush Udall
Moss Rousselot Van Deerlin
Murphy, Dl. Roybal Vander Veen
Myers Runnels Vanik
Nedzi Ryan Veysey
Nix Sandman Vigorito
Obey Sarbanes Waggonner
O'Neill Schroeder Waldie
Owens Selberling Whalen
Patman Shuster White
Patten Sisk Widnall
Pepper Slack Williams
Perkins Smith, Iowa Wilson,
Pickle Smith, N.Y. Charles H.,
Pike Snyder Calif.
Poage Staggers Wilson,
Price, Ill. Stanton, Charles, Tex.
Quie J. William Wright
Railsback Stanton, Wyatt
Randall James V. Wydler
Rangel Stark Yates
Rees Steed Young, Ga.
Reuss Steelman Young, Tex.
Rhodes Stephens Zablocki
Riegle Stokes Zwach
Roberts Studds
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Archer
Ashbrook
Aspin
Bafalis
Baker
Bauman
Beard
Bennett
Goodling Price, Tex.
Gross Pritchard
Gunter Quillen
Haley Rarick
Hamilton ' Regula
Heckler, Mass. Rinaldo
Heinz Robinson, Va.
Hillis Rogers
Hinshaw . Roy
Biester Holt
Brown, Ohio Hunt
Broyhill, N.C. Hutchinson
Burke, Fla. Ichord
Burleson, Tex. Jarman
Butler. Jones, Okla.
Camp
Carter
Casey, Tex.
Chappell
Clancy
Cleveland
Collins, Tex.
Conable
Cotter
Coughlin
Jones, Tenn.
Karth
Kemp
Ketchum
King
Lagomarsino
Landgrebe
Landrum
Latta
Lehman
Crane Lott
Cronin Lujan
Daniel, Dan McClory
Daniel, Robert McCollister
W., Jr. McEwen
Davis, Ga. McKay
Davis, Wis. McKinney
Delaney
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Devine
Dickinson
Downing
Evins, Tenn.
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Flynt
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Frey
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Martin, N.C.
Mathis, Ga.
Mayne
Michel
Mitchell, N.Y.
Moorhead,
Calif.
Mosher
Murtha
Natcher
Nichols
O'Brien
Passman
Pettis
Peyser
Ruth
St Germain
Sarasin
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Scherle
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Sikes
Skubitz
Spence
Steiger, Ariz.
Steiger, Wis.
Stratton
Stuckey
Symms
Talcott
Taylor, N.C,
Teague
Thone
Tiernan
Ullman
Walsh
Wampler
Ware
Whitehurst
Whitten
Wiggins
Wilson, Bob
Winn
Wolff
Wylie
Yatron
Young, Alaska
Young, Ill.
Young, S.C.
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So (two-thirds not having voted in
favor thereof), the motion was rejected.
The Clerk announced the following
pairs:
Mr. Hobert with Mrs. Grasso.
Mr. Howard with Mrs. Griffiths.
Mr. Murphy of New York with Mr. Clark.
Mr. O'Hara with Mr. Rooney of New York.
Mr. Adams with Mr. Carey of New York.
Jones of North Carolina with Mr. Reid.
Macdonald with Mr. Brotzman.
Mr. tton with Mr. Broyhill of Virginia.
Mr. ills with Mr. Hanna.
Mr. leman with Mr. Hanrahan.
Mr. _tings with Mrs. Hansen of Wash-
Mr. Hudnut with Mr. Hogan.
Mr. Steel with Mr. Kuykendall.
Mr. Mizell th Mr. Luken.
Mr. Vander agt with Mr. Maraziti.
Mr. Young o 'lorlds. with Mr. Minshall of
Mr. Anderson Illinois with Mr. Nelsen.
Mr. Arends with r. Parris.
Mr. Bell with MAO ng of Maryland.
Mr. Ruppe with M Roncalio of New York.
Mr. Stubblefield wit Mr. Towell of Nevada.
Mr. Phillip Burton ' h Mr. Wyman.
The vote was anno ced as above re-
MENT OF 197
McFALL). The unfinished busi
question of suspending the
passing the Senate bill (S. 3
amended.
The Clerk read the title of the
bill.
that the House suspend the rules an
pass the Senate bill S. 3934.
Mr. KOCH. Mr. Speaker, on that I de-
mand the yeas and nays.
The yeas and nays were refused.
The question was taken; and (two-
thirds having voted in favor thereof),
the rules were suspended and the Senate
bill as amended, was passed.
A motion to reconsider was laid on the
table.
Mr. JOHNSON of California. Mr.
Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that
the House insist on its amendment to
the Senate bill (S. 3934) just passed,
and request a conference with the Senate.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there
objection to the request of the gentle-
man from California (Mr. JOHNSON) ?
Mr. KOCH. Mr. Speaker, I have a mo-
tion at the desk.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Does the
gentleman object to the request of the
gentleman. from California (Mr. JOHN-
SON) ?
Gilman Powell. Ohio
Goldwater Preser
Adams Hansen, Wash. Murphy, N.Y.
Anderson, 111. Hastings Nelsen
Arends Hobert O'Hara
Bell Hogan Parris
Brasco Howard Podell
Brotzman Hudnut Reid
Broyhill, Va. Jones, N.C. Roncallo, N.Y.
Burton, John Kuykendall Rooney, N.Y.
Burton, Phillip Litton Ruppe
Carey, N.Y. Long, Md. Shipley,
Chamberlain Luken Steele
Clark McSpadden Stubblefield
Eshleman Macdonald Towell, Nev.
Grasso Maraziti Vander Jagt
Griffiths Mille Wyman
Hanna Minshall, Ohio Young, Fla.
Hanraban Mizell
PARLIAMENTARY INQUIRY
Mr. KOCH. Mr. Speaker, a parliamen-
tary inquiry.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The
gentleman will state it.
Mr. KOCH. The motion that I have at
the desk is one to instruct the managers
on the part of the House-
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gen-
tleman from New York reserves the right
to object. For what purpose now does
the gentleman request the opinion of the
Chair?
Mr. KOCH. I would appreciate the
Chair advising me whether this is the ap-
propriate time to move to instruct the
House conferees with respect to this bill.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The
Chair would advise the gentleman that
until the unanimous-consent request to
send the bill to conference is granted, a
motion to instruct would be premature;
but if the gentleman would withdraw
his reservation and if the request is
granted, then a motion to instruct con-
ferees would be in order.
Mr. KOCH. Mr. Speaker, I withdraw
my reservation of objection.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there
objection to the request of the gentle-
man from California?
There was no objection.
MOTION TO INSTRUCT OFFERED BY MR.
HARSHA
Mr. HA:1SHA. Mr. Speaker, I offer a
motion to instruct.
The Clerk read as follows:
Motion offered by Mr. HARSHA: Mr. HARSHA
moves that the managers on the part of the
House at the conference on the disagreeing
votes of the two Houses on the bill S. 3934,
be instructed to insist upon paragraph (6)
of section 102 and to insist upon section 110
of the House amendment in the nature of
a substitute.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The
gentleman from Ohio (Mr. HARSHA) is
recognized for i hour in support of his
motion.
(Mr. HARSHA asked and was given
permission to revise and extend his re-
marks.)
Mr. HARSHA. Mr. Speaker, I shall
certainly not take 1 hour. This is a motion
to instruct the conferees on the High-
way Act of 1974, simply to instruct the
r. KOCH. Mr. Speaker, will the gen-
OCH. Yes. As the gentleman
Senate pro
respect to
he House did not accept the
see played out
preemption of
Committee so as to
for me to do that. My
only opportunity
the House to vo
some innocuous way,
strict.
tleman from Ohio
committee would
clusion of the debate-hopefully, we will
not go through the charade and agony
for an hour-to vote down the previous
question, so that then I will have an op-
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deny them sufficient funds to travel to
VA facilities is to deny them treatment.
The bill will give the Administrator
of General Services the flexibility to
continue utilizing the "lodging plus"
concept of per diem reimbursement. Sec-
tion 5707 (a) does not preclude the use of
the current "lodging plus" method of
computing per diem. Under this method,
the traveler is allowed a fixed amount
for meals and expenses as determined.
by the Administrator plus the cost of
lodging. The resulting amount, subject
to the statutory limit, is the per diem rate
applied to the traveler's reimbursement.
If the Administrator determines that the
mileage allowances fall below the statu-
tory minimum authorized in the bill, we
encourage and direct GSA to work with
the Congress to draft legislation which
would resolve any inequities.
Mr. Speaker, I urge the House to adopt
this conference report.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Without
objection, the previous question is or-
dered on the conference report.
There was no objection.
The conference report was agreed to.
A motion to reconsider was laid on the
table.
TRATIVE SERVICES ACT OF 194
unanimous consent to take 'mom the
Speaker's desk the bill (H.R. 8958) to
amend the Federal Property and Admin-
istrative Services Act of 1949 to provide
for the disposal of certain excess and sur-
plus Federal property to the Secretary of
the Interior for the benefit of any group,
band, or tribe of Indians, with a Senate
amendment thereto, and concur in the
Senate amendment with an amendment.
The Clerk read the title of the bill.
The Clerk read the Senate amendment,
as follows:
Page 2, line 11, after "located" insert:
Provided, That such transfers shall be made
to Oklahoma Indian tribes recognized by the
Secretary of the Interior when such land (1)
is located within the boundaries of former
reservations in Oklahoma as defined by the
Secretary of the Interior and when such land
was held in trust by the United States for
an Indian tribe at the time of its acquisition
by the United States, or (2) is contiguous to
land presently held in trust by the United
States for an Oklahoma Indian tribe and was
at any time held in trust by the United States
for an Indian tribe."
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there
objection to the request of the gentle-
man from Texas?
There was no objection.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The Clerk
will report the amendment to the Sen-
ate amendment.
The Clerk. read as follows:
Strike out all of the Senate amendment
and insert In lieu thereof the following:
"Provided, That such transfers of real prop-
erty within the State of Oklahoma shall be
made to the Secretary of Interior to be held
In trust for Oklahoma Indian tribes recog-
nized by the Secretary of the Interior when
such real property (1) is located within
boundaries of former reservations in Okla-
homa as defined by the Secretary of Interior
and when such real property was held in
trust by the United States for an Indian
tribe at the time of acquisition by the
United States, or (2) is contiguous to real
property presently held in trust by the
United States for an Oklahoma Indian tribe
and was at any time held in trust by the
United States for an Indian tribe."
Mr. BROOKS (during the reading).
Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent
that the amendment be considered as
read and printed in the RECORD.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there
objection to the request of the gentle-
man from Texas?
Mr. GROSS. Mr. Speaker, reserving
the right to object, will the gentleman be
good enough to give us a brief explana-
tion of what is involved here.
Mr. BROOKS. I will be glad to explain
this to my distinguished friend, the gen-
tleman from Iowa. I Would say that I had
planned to make a few comments. If I
could make them now, I think they would
be helpful.
Mr. Speaker, on November 18, the
Dlig Senate consideration of the bill,
visions. Apparently the word "reserva-
tions" is not used with regard to Okla-
homa Indian lands even though many
tribal lands are held in trust by the Sec-
retary of the Interior in circumstances
analogous to "reservations" in all other
States.
The Senate Government Operations
Committee adopted an amendment to
make certain that Oklahoma Indians
were included in the bill as was intended.
I wholeheartedly support the objective
of that amendment.
There is a technical problem with the
language, however, The Senate amend-
ment may be interpreted to authorize
these transfers directly to the Oklahoma
Indian tribes. In the provisions applicable
to all other Indian tribes the transfers
would be to the Secretary of the Interior
to hold in trust for the Indian tribe. The
additional amendment I am offering to
the Senate amendment would correct
that inadvertent inconsistency.
Mr. GROSS. Does this clarify the status
of the Oklahoma Indians with respect to
the word "reservations?"
Mr. BROOKS. That is correct.
Mr. GROSS. I thank the gentleman.
Mr. Speaker, I withdraw my reserva-
tion of objection.
Mr. BUCHANAN. Mr. Speaker, reserv-
ing the right to object, I would like to
ask the gentleman from Texas a ques-
tion: Would the action the gentleman
now proposes bring our version of the
bill in conformity with the Senate ver-
sion, as well as clarifying the status of
the Oklahoma Indians?
Mr. BROOKS. That is correct. This is
just a technical amendment to make the
matter clear,
Mr. BUCHANAN. Mr. Speaker, I with-
draw my reservation of objection.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there
objection to the request of the gentle-
man from Texas (Mr, BROOxs) ?
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There was no objection.
The amendment to the Senate amend-
ment was agreed to.
The Senate amendment as amended
was concurred in.
A motion to reconsider was laid on the
table.
PROVIDING FOR CONSIDERATION
OF H.R. 17481, THE HARRY S. TRU-
MAN MEMORIAL SCHOLARSHIP
PROGRAM
Mr. BOLLING. Mr. Speaker, by direc-
tion of the Committee on Rules, I call up
the resolution (H. Res. 1495) and ask for
its immediate consideration.
The Clerk read the resolution, as fol-
lows:
H. REs. 1495
Resolved, That upon the adoption of this
resolution it shall be in order to move that
the House resolve itself into the Committee
of the Whole House on the State of the Un-
ion for the consideration of the bill (H.R.
17481) to establish the Harry S, Truman Me-
morial Scholarship Program, and for other
purposes, and all points of order against sec-
tion 11 of said bill for failure to comply with
the provisions of clause 4, rule XXI are here-
by waived. After general debate, which shall
be confined to the bill and shall continue
not to exceed one hour, to be equally di-
vided and controlled by the chairman and
ranking minority member of the Committee
on Education and Labor, the bill shall be
read for amendment under the five-minute
rule. At the conclusion of the consideration
of the bill for amendment, the Committee
shall rise and report the bill to the House
with such amendments as may have been
adopted, and the previous question shall be
considered as ordered on the bill and amend-
ments thereto to final passage without in-
tervening motion except one motion to re-
commit. After the passage of H.R. 17481, the
Committee on Education and Labor shall be
discharged from the further consideration of
the bill S. 3548, and it shall then be in order
in the House to move to strike out all after
the enacting clause of the said Senate bill
and insert in lieu thereof the provisions con-
tained in H.R. 17481 as passed by the House.
CALL OF THE HOUSE
Mr. GROSS. Mr Speaker, I make the
point of order that a quorum is not pres-
ent.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The
Chair will count.
One hundred and seventy-five Mem-
bers are present, not a quorum.
Mr. BOLLING. Mr. Speaker, I move
a call of the House.
A call of the House was ordered.
The call was taken by electronic de-
vice, and the following Members failed
to respond:
Adams
Addabbo
Archer
Armstrong
Badillo
Beard
Bergland
Blackburn
Boland
Brademas
Brasco
Broomfield
Brotzman
Broyhill, Va.
Burton, John
Carey, N.Y.
Carter
Cederberg
Chamberlain
[Roll No. 895]
Chisholm Edwards, Ala.
Clark Edwards, Calif.
Clay Erlenborn
Cleveland Esch
Cochran Eshleman
Collier Fish
Collins, Ill. Foley
Cotter Fraser
Culver Fulton
Daniels, Giaimo
Dominick V. Grasso
Danielson Griffiths
Davis, S.C. Grover
Davis, Wis. Haley
Dellenback Hanna
Dellums Hansen, Idaho
Derwinski Hansen, Wash.
Dulski Harsha
Du Pont Hastings
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Meicher
Runnels
Hebert
Mills
Ruth
Hillis
Minshall, Ohio
Ryan
Hinshaw
Mitchell, N.Y.
Shipley
Hogan
Mizell
Shoup
Holifield
Moorhead, Pa.
Sikes
Horton
Morgan
Smith, N.Y.
Howard
Mosher
Steele
Hudnut
Murphy, N.Y.
Sullivan
Jarman
Nelsen
Thompson, N.J.
Ala.
Jones
O'Hara
Tiernan
,
Jones, N.C.
O'Neill
Towell, Nev.
Karth
Parris
Udall
King
Pike
Vander Jagt
K
iuczynski.
Podell
Whitehurst
.
Kuykendall
Powell, Ohio
Wright
Kyros
Quie
Wyatt
Litton
Rangel
Wydler
Lujan
Rarick
Wyman
Luken
Rees
Yatron
McEwen
Reid
Young, Alaska
McSpadden.
Rhodes
Young, Fla.
Macdonald
Roberts
Young, Ga.
Maraziti
Robison, N.Y.
Zabiocki
Martin, Nebr.
Rodino
Zion
Mathias, Calif.
Roncallo, N.Y.
Zwach
Mathis, Ga.
Rooney, N.Y.
Meeds
Rosenthal
The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Mc-
FALL). On this rollcall 296 Members have
recorded their presence by electronic
device, a quorum.
By unanimous consent, further pro-
ceedings under the call were dispensed
with.
any light on the status of the Hoover Here are two items that can well go
Memorial bill? over until we see better day in the life
Mr. BOLLING. Mr. Speaker, it is my of this country. We have no business con-
understanding that the bill is going to be sidering either one of them in this ses-
added to the suspensions for tomorrow sion of Congress or in the next, or until
and I would tell the gentleman I intend we can see some clear light ahead as far
to support that procedure. as the financial picture of this country.
A t b th 0f them
Mr. DEL CLAWSON. I thank the gen- I repeat, i am oppose o 0 ,
tleman from Missouri. and I happen to be one of many members
Mr. Speaker, as previously explained, of the board of trustees of the Hoover
House Resolution 1495 provides for 1 Library. I oppose both of these bills be-
hour of general debate on H.R. 17481, the cause .we ought not to saddle on the backs
Harry S. Truman Memorial Scholarship of the taxpayers these obligations-obli-
Act, and that the bill will fie open to all ?;ations of this,kind that can be put off
germane amendments. The rule also pro- until a better' day.
vides for a, waiver of points of order Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman
against section 11 for failure to comply for yielding to me,
with the provisions of clause 4, rule XXI, Mr. HOSMER. Mr. Speaker, will the
which deals with appropriations on a gentleman
DEL 3~ield?
I yield to the
legislative bill. In order to facilitate going
to conference, the rule makes it in order gentleman from HOSMER. California.
in light
to insert the House-passed language in
the Senate bill.
The purpose of H.R. 17481 is to estab-
lish the Harry S. Truman Memorial
Scholarship prograilii.
The scholarships are to be awarded on
the basis of a nationwide competition.
At least one such scholarship is to be
awarded annually in each State in which
there is a resident applicant who is
qualified. Scholarships are to go.to those
who demonstrate an outstanding poten-
tial for, and plan to pursue a career in,
public service.
Each scholarship will carry an annual
stipend of $5,000, or the full cost of tui-
tion, fees, books, room and board, which-
ever is less.
The program is to be administered by
the Harry B. Truman Scholarship Foun-
dation,which Is to be directed by a 13_
member board of trustees; $30 million is
authorized to endow the scholarships.
just said, it would appear to me that the
defeat of the rule in this instance cer-
tainly would be no reflection on the great
former President, Mr. Truman; or an-
other great former President, Mr.
Hoover.
This is' just, as I think was stated, not
the time or place to take up these things
that require a little more sober thought,
and particularly a little more analysis
with respect to the financing.
Mr. DELLENBACK. Mr. Speaker, will
the gentleman yield?
Mr. DEL CLAWSON. I yield to the
gentleman from Oregon.
Mr. DI;LLENBACK. Mr. Speaker, I
thank the gentleman for yielding to me.
PROVIDING FOR CONSIDERATION
OF H.R. 17481, THE HARRY S.
TRUMAN MEMORIAL SCHOLAR-
SHIP ACT
Mr. BOLLING. Mr. Speaker, I yield 30
minutes to the gentleman from Cali-
fornia (Mr. DEL CLAWSON). Pending
that, :I yield myself such time as I may
consume.
Mr. Speaker, this rule, House Resolu-
tion 1495, is an open rule providing for
1 hour of general debate on H.R. 17481,
which was considered in the House on the
3d of December under suspension of the
rules and received a majority of support
of it, 1136 to 149.
The rule waives points of order for
one provision, section 11, which has an
implicit appropriation in it for the
funding of this program.
Mr Speaker, I am not aware of any
substantial opposition to the passage of
the rule. I reserve the balance of my
time.
Mr. DEL CLAWSON. Mr. Speaker, I
yield myself such time as I may con-
sume.
(Mr. DEL CLAWSON asked and was
given permission to revise and extend
his remarks.)
Mr. DEL CLAWSON. Mr. Speaker, the
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gentleman from Missouri (Mr. ROLLING
has explained the rule. It is an open rule Stanford University at a starting cost of program would be advanced, there is no
with 1 hour of debate waiving points of $5 million, and this evening we have the need for funds in this year, and there
order against section 11 for failure to Truman Scholarship Foundation at a very probably is no need for such funds
comply with clause 4, rule =. cost of $30 million. next year, but the program must be got-
Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the I am going to oppose both of them be- ten underway so far as authorization
gentleman from Missouri one question, if cause I think thereis a time and a place is concerned.
I may. There has been some discussion for all things, and this is neither the time So, I say to both my friends, the gen-
about the status of the Hoover Memorial nor the place to commit the taxpayers of tleman from Iowa and the gentleman
bill. In the Rules Committee last week this country to spend $37 million In from California, the arguments that
there was an attempt to report a rule memory of two former Presidents of the they may, however sincerely, make are
making in order the Hoover Memorial United States. Lord knows, we need to not pertinent to the discussion of this
bill as an amendment to this bill. The save some money; we need to pay some- bill tonight.
attempt failed. Now I understand that thing on the Federal debt. We need to Mr. BAKER. Mr, Speaker, will the
the :Eioover Memorial bill may be placed take some of the burden off the backs of gentleman yield?
on the list of suspensions for tomorrow. the taxpayers instead of adding more to Mr. DEL CLAWSON. I yield to the
Could the gentleman from Missouri shed it. gentleman from Tennessee.
w
ea
In the one instance we have
All the expenses of the foundation, in- the Committee on Education and Labor
co, a are to he paid scholarships and from the administrative income of f so far as the Truman scholarships are
costs, me concerned. It has been carefully analyzed
the endowment.
n additional committee nos shall report in that committee. In the other commit-
specifies that lotion beyond the e tee, the matter of the Hoover scholarship
$$3given to he foundation ndation beyond been taken up in the House Adminis-
The cthe bill is $30,000,000. tration Committee, so that the question
The cost pof whether it has been given careful-
e r. Speaker, resolution. I recommend a a vote on consideration is not a valid comment,
M the
Mr. . GROSS. . Mr. Speaker, will the gen- whatever one may feel about the meas-
.
toeman yield? ures.
so far as the funds and the
Mr. DEL CLAWSON. I yield to the gen- question of whether or not at this time
tleman from Iowa. in the history of this Nation we should
Mr. GROSS. I thank the gentleman be appropriating these funds, may I re-
for yielding. mind the Members of the House that we
Now that we have the Truman-Hoover are not here dealing withan appropria-
larder, I guess, straightened out insofar tion bill. We are here dealing with an
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May I say first, in response to the
gentleman from California, that each
of these projects has had deep and care-
ful thought in its respective committee.
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