TEXT OF IZVESTIA ARTICLE BASED ON INTERVIEW WITH PHILBY, WHO SPIED FOR THE SOVIET

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• Publication Date: December 19, 1967
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OSCOW, Dec. ]3 (Reuters)' A Meeting at lire C.LA, ~ stir up trouble in various ~. takingly analyzed. All b
--- oilowing,in unofficial tra+rs- In the spring of ]951, an ~ ? Places, which, when merged + one, Dulles, a man wi i
lat on, is the text of'an article important meeting was called together, would lead to an ~ ,imagination, could imagin ~ ;
in tzvestia based on~n+t inter-., in the office of one of the` .explosion and the toppling j everything that suited hi r
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vi with Harold A. It. Philby, leaders of the Central Intelli- ' of the existin
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a riton who spied for Moscow `Bence Agency, the sanctum ?' A big stake had been ?;; staff workcroot ithe tSovi .:
an now is a Soviet citizen: ~,?~rnrrt.,, of Thai Amnr;}.~.. ;~ _ _ ..
i .The night's gloom has --- _ ..__. _.. _ _ .., . --.. coramg io >;ne i,mn,c,ng ui -him at the table In his of[ic
_ .. _._.. ,_~..~_ _.............,...,.,, A11en Dulles, around the long 1 ;te nrininatnrs. It was. in the ~ rt,eF e....,,..t ..,......s..,.
B ulevard are covered with a '- """"~ "' ~ "'"" ""' ' ' " r..? I ana, m the seconu, was sub- ~ fulfilled his latest assignmen
f z hoarfrost. At the trot- ..$ecret subversive political op- posed to become the start- I from the center. '
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a stamgmg t err eet. eo? sisthr-t to the director of the ' wr rm y. e a ,
The teams of saboteurs were
p _are hurrying. A new day?! d~+nartmrnt for ?nlicv ennrdi.:~~ ......:.:.... o.,...c,a, r:nner for +hel ! Was a small one, the polis_ ~~
1 nauon. A--ongsrae mm was,ms i drop. Lindsay, Wisner's as-, i,. ? ?'' ?" "" ?~"?' ,~:
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- i beginning. Automobiles are, assistant, Frank Lindsay. ~! sistant
had been designated'
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rest of the furni }
a o hurrying, passing one , The participants . in the ; the immediate executor of ' - papers. The
a other: _ .,,, meetin? were waitin? for an ; .rFhe nnaratlnn_ ~ lure, which .seemed to hav "~
? ??a". ,"???n ?"? "...., ~mporcans guesr. xrm rnnpY. ; P rib a roves the plan; ~....--..... ...""" .. ?r".. .
yy ung strong rnan of. middle, the head of a special liaison ~ certain details seemed to have ', ment straight form the novel ~;
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in Washington. was supposed ~'~ of corrections. The partici- 'bookshelves, the armchai ',
? is wearing a warm sheep- to take part in working -out '''.pants in the meeting caught ;that seems almost pteten .
in-lined coat and a fur.hat.', ari operation of extreme im- ~ ?ilis ~ every: word; Philby's ~tious to our n'iodern tast 1
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a ~ oprnion was worth a good one thou h., The 'a artmen
t e frost and the rushing ; British g est,h a eprominent ~ .deaeh D telned pbf the lrn lisp is filled with books of al '~~.
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c sionaliy people bump into member of the `British secret guest with emphasized re- lisp part Eng .F
" "they bast- ~ ??service who .was considered': spect, He had vast informs- ti
77 Excuse me, ~.' ,,? ntttetenRiAa a,rr.art nn nn- .:,....,,.,,..* t,:.,, uu trnc,:r r1,er i The host oP the anartman
., aa.y'f? !!,l,,. LV!! 4 !tlG,!- eratians against. the. Soviet Philby had gathered experi- ncs narmon~ousty m tots en
~ti n it, he answers pleas- ,',Union and other Sociaiist~ ence as long before as the I vironment. He is very ,calm
a tlv. sneakin? with a: slieht'
__.._a-.,... nt.at., t._a _.__a ..r .. ___e_~ nn_..t ,v_- ?t...* tlnh4trrinA hie kiln nrev hoe -?
afcent. ~ the cradle of the C.LA.=--the ~ `-~----- p Y P` ~ R P
,:,,, ,.,,,,,,,,,,, .,~ twe ?,,,,?,,, Franco had ersonall coned ~ wit a strai ht art is seate ,:
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,~.h nhnnrf.,r on:,:+_?e*,tre , was created under the guid- ? ; chest. Dulles also knew about weathered, masculine face i. ..
vmg warmth of a subway ' on the minute:?Very.elegant, regularly visited Berlin before .temples and his face becomes 5
tion. He looks with inter- ` thoughtful.
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~h sc)hoolbagn 4 of a British gentleman. A' ~ simply met with von Ribben-. 1 man of great destiny, is re- ;
^u??' a~ ?~~~? mow.?? va' ~ ors speecn, .ana legenas? or 1 specialist and the?~.LA. knew ; nalists, for -the first time. I
e boulevard. He always the Hower of his charm cir- tt_ i Thera arP millions of m,rc.
g al, wuac uuusuar uuugs those assembled.; h8 tOOk his ~ ~ r..??...""`" ~" '"""
s he found on the boule- seat at the table. : ,'fully concealed throughout ~, the confusion on our faces.
_~ :_ ,,__ __.....~ ~_,.__ __ I ~ _ .. _ . " kha anhsennpnt 17 vears of ~' Let us start with the be-
,J .,?...??..., ..? ...,?, a.l,.a.!- ? zv worx outi an opera>;ron on : ~ ---- --- - ~ frorn the stove, as the Rus- ;
g? The young boys on the ; or anizin a counterrevolu- ~ expected failure. The team of I_ t. '
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e story of 'the man who : Was supposed to be the _~ ;observed in C.I:A. headquar- ~ , a: He was bornA in the I
cores at >:nem tins morning: aropptng or a group or sev-. ; ~ `vAII the services were' s ~nt the first four ears ofl
e has been called a-mystery . eral hundred saboteurs ons .._.v_~ ..__,~,..,_...., .,, ~,.,. ,.~ ,,,_ ,_ ~_.,:_ y
ars; wnole aecaaes, au long ,? Almost all ?of' them were. ~ . ir,J3..,,0 ..,y",."a`? """`?~ .," tea.. ^"` .,? ..,,,
ars of eternal riddles. A life. emigrds from ..the Gauntry..' ~ with `he Pailar~ o! the opera`,:, Comrade Phi~lby~says. A*~ My
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Toplx," an the side of ~thpse who; ~~Kim Philby thoughtfully 1-~?-,-~?: ,You are t? ,,
Harold A. R. Philby, former ?? ~ fight for a better future for I looks out the window-he is .. now in the British intelligence
British agent who also ?as- ; -mankind. In my native Eng-, .continually frowning slight? :service:' ~
i swrit en 80 0 0 wordHbook. , ~ land, in P p e seekin lathe ~, ly-and them takes from a i' "yes, now a new period of 1
?I also saw eo 1 g ~ box on the .table a cross on
' truth and fighting for it. ,an ornamental ribbon, holds ' my .life has started. Soon ,~~
"I painfully sought out the ~ it out to us and continues i of terwards ? Fascist Germany '1
i'o! the-, English colonial` ad- ~ means of being useful to the ~ his narrative. ~ i treacherously atttacked the ~
ministration in India, H?, 'great movement oP modern ~. "I lived at the time in . ` Soviet Union; I did ,all I could?;~ .'
was. a man of great erudi- '.~ times; the name ?of, which is ~ Blibao. One day an officer,on ,; to aid the peoples of Britain
i' tion and varied knowledge; ?= Communism. The "personifi-;.'France's staff came to me, ~ the Soviet Union, France an~;"3
t he distinguished himself by, cation of these ideas is the ; ;sat me in a car and drove I the other countries oP the ?
w his conservative; views ands: Soviet Union and its heroic I. me off to the Fascist head-? anti-Hitler coalition to defeat
was desperately fascinated ..? people, who have laid the I' quarters. in Burgos. They led ,Fascist Germany. At that r
by Arabic studies. 'his . ? foundation for the construe- i . me into a hall where a rou
certainly explains that his ~:'.'tion oP a new world. And 3, of ridiculously pompou$gen no otherlthought,anona m in 'j
t'second wife was oP Arabic ?' found the form for this strug-.!' erals was standing. ;life, other than to contribute
i.origin. The Hindi~and Arabic !" gle in my work in Soviet ~ '~, ?'In the center was the. ~ to the swiftest defeat of ~?
F languages entered my life< espionage. I felt; and I still' "Generalissimo" .himself. I ;Nazism." `
'very. early, and then later , ? feel, that by doing this work ~ noticed that all of them; in- ' Comrade Philby is obvious-~%~
German, French, Spanish, ~; I also served my English i eluding Franco, were very ]y modest. For example, he, ~.? ,
~' Turkish and then Russian," ;, people.'? I sohrt. I was introduced. After .~ did not say_ anything aboutr
r: ?'But what kind aP ? a - ;.; "Can you still recall, Com- I a few minutes the Cau- ? 2 his own direct contribution
'strange name, Kim,' did they ; , rade Kim, what your first as- ~. dillo with extreme ceremony- ; to the cause of struggle againsC ~ '
:give you?" signment Prom: Soviet intelli- handed be this very cross. He ;the Fascist enslavers. But his ?s "
"Strictly speakigg my full ''.'. Bence was?''.. ! ~ then showed great pleasure ;colleagues told us that Kim :~
,name sounds mare, pornpous?.~ ._"Oh,"Lvgas`so disenchanted.~~' in mY work-of all the West- ' .Philby's work helped to neu-
-Harold Adrian Russell Phil- that first time," he laughs. 7 tralize many German agents "~
by. But my father named ' .. ern ournalists I was one of
me Kim after one of Ki I imagined it all much more ~, the few to be given this' ~ who had been sent to Britain 5
p- ! exotic award. The crossalso , as yell as the Soviet Un{on.;'~
ling's characters. And so the,; ? romantically. But the assign-~ la ed its role in m entr
name stuck all my life." ments during ~ that period i p Y ~ ,Y He was .also the first to send
,into the intelligence service. information on the Fascists'.~~
"What happened then?" ' ~ `were, as it seemed to me,' '? ~ .intention to use new kinds of":
I I returned to England;
?'Then my family moved to'; .insignificant, although they, and after some time I went military techniques on the .
London, and in 1929 I en-,T were a real school for the Lout, again as Times corre- .Soviet front. Philb 's work,,
tered Cambridge, Trinity, ~ I spondent who had been I ` hel Y
one of the biggest and most , big work. I had rfiuch more ; ped to save tl~e lives of . ?
scorched by the winds of war thousands of Soviet eo 1
aristocratic colic es. - I I enthusiams at that time than ~ p p e.
g i`to illuminate. the military ac- "And how did o
studied well,-and read a lot.'`( experience, and of course I tions of the British expedi- ~' P work in ~??
This is where m sto ~ be-~ ~, they could not entrust. Seri- ?' ~tlie British intelligence serv- '
Y r5' i r tionary corps . in Frahce. ', ice?"
gins. England, -like the other?' .our operations to me." ? -.After Dunquerque in the Mi-5 and MI-6
capitalist countries," was liv-' ji. Comrade Philby takes out summer of 1940, I was again ,. ?~
ing through a devastating ,? a package of Pamir cigar- ; in London. Here all of a sud- ~ I went up the service '.. .
economic crisis in those ~ ,ettes, .and we .ah start to ~ den I entered the British . staircase. A year later I be- '~
years. The country was 111 smoke. ~ !secret service on assignment I came deputy chiehone of the ,"1
scourged by 'unemployment; t . I ~~ used to the strong from Soviet intelligence. Be- I MI-6 departments. 1
the tabor market was broken kind. ; he explains to us, sand ;fore that from 1935 to 1937 ~ ~'MI-6--what does that
by lines of hungry, desperate +-then, after a moment of (I repeatedly went, also ore mean3" .? ,:
people.. But the funereal silence, continues: !assignment from the center, There are two secret serv- :~ , '
cold oP Fascism. was already. ,;: I did- what I could at the Ito Berlin, where I had met ices in Britain: MI-5 is the '
blowing through the' world.'a' time and I was happy ~ to ,with many prominent Nazi I code name of the counter. 1
epercussions of alI this 3earn one day +that I had been :chiefs and most of all w,th,J ? intelligence. service. MI-6 is
cached even our Very prop- ?, .enrolled on .the Nsta!! of ~ Ribbeatro . ~ , , 1 the secret intelligence service
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strove to understand what' English intelligent service?" '.' detail and articularly about'?
could give people some kind' "That's a rather long ?' your meeting with Ribben- '
of salvation from the woes ~ story," he says. "After finish-. tro ~" 1
that were oveecoming them. I ing Cambridge, I worked for '' ' As I have already told '
I made onhsummerrva ations ~ awhile as an editor. and then '~ you, I had the reputation of '
I set out as a war' correspond- , apro-Fascist, which was a 3
to certain Western European ; ent to Spain for The Times. ~'
countries-primarily Germany ~ It was Februa 193?. That ~? great advantage for my work..
~ and Austria-became decisive battle against Fascism that , I was ari active member of,~
for my subsequent life. All",. 'was developingg ~on the fl+alds Soci ~y,l and whlleriRibben ~;
this helped ma to broaden ~ oP Spain was in the heart oP ~ tro
was Ambassador to Lon= .;
my idea of the world. Meet- every honest person. For me, ~ don I made close contact '.
ings with new people, from; as as py, it was a un[versity. with him. Then he became ?
whom I had been cut off ati oP practical experience. I (.'Foreign Minister under Hit-~'
Cambridge, opened the truth; ,learned the knack oP hiding .ler, but our meetings did not
oP life. ,my thoughts, oP passing my- ~ ? cease. Every time I came to `+
Austria was covered with self off as something other.; Berlin Ribbentrop gave me a"
the blood . of the workers, it ~ than what I was. In public . Warm welcome at Unter Den
was going through a particu-; statements I passed myself ~ Linden. The informationI got ;
larly difficult time:. Iunder-+ off as as upp
rio intelligence," we.' ? Comrade Kim finds it hard,.
- the center for the intelligence say. _ ! ? to keep baclt a smile.
operations of the cold war. "Prom ~ 1949 to 1951, I ' "But the person who really ,
' Kim Philby worked tire- ~? headed the English intelli- ~ made an indelible impression
lessly, often on London's I, M gence ~ liaison mission in G on me, he adds, "was
orders, to organize any kind ~ .Washington. Tasks connected ' .Hoover's deputy, Mr. Ladd., from the position of a spy, y
of "action;' and visited the"'with links between the two l This astonishingly dense per- ' j illuminate in it various .mo- .;
Soviet border in the Ararat : intelligence services were' nonage tried to convince rne. ments of my life. Many
region. Ships passing through ' only the external part of my I in all seriousness that Frank- :pages of the book have the
the Bosporus were the object activity. London entrusted 1 lin Roosevelt was a Gomin- most direct connection with ~ ?
of his people's observations.. ~. me, on the one hand, with '' tern agent." ' ~ certain circles in a string of
In this giant "town of 500. the task of consulting the ~ ~ "Apart from those you :West European countries. ~'
i mosques" was spun a com- ?.~;'C.LA., as far as possible with,P? have mentioned; have you I '~ "I travel a lot through the
' plicated web o! political in- ;guiding the institution, which;; managed to visit many other ~~:boundless Soviet land, which;
?;tiigues and conspiracies. ' ~. was still young at this time. ;; countries over these long has become my second home.,'
from Kim Philby came a ~.,On the other. hand, I' was ;' years?" .Immediately after this book
huge flow of the most, valu- ;faced with the extremely dif- ~ "I haven't specially counted ! I am thinking of strating an- .
? able information, about .the. '. ficult task of defending the'; them, but I should think' other, and then I wil write
? ~ British secret service against ~ about 20. I had my specific ~, another. I have many plans.
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wen eard that I had
tri ues:' _ say, for al] his aggressive-
been awarded the Order ofr
~ Hess, he was a dilettante. The >
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the C.LA., which was show- ~ work, my tasks m each coun- : I am a joyrnalist. In my free
ing clear intentions of swal-', try. One had adapt onself to time I do all sorts of~ things
"lowing its ally. I turned up in j them. As a spy with a known . -from music to skiing and ..
:,the lair of American dntelli- ,, length of service, I presented ; fretwork. ? I go to the the,
Bence. In fact, at this, time I ; excellent opportunities for ?, ater sari re ularly attend con-'
formed close ties"with both traps. They lay in wait for ; ?~~, A day or two ,ago iii
' Allen Dulles and with the,:, men at every step. ~ ?? ?-- . ~~???
;;~pre$ent Directoxw.of the C,LA.,.I!~Because of the nature of ~,
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"My work in the British ~ `
intelligence service took place';
in very difficult cirrum-.; ?.
stances toward the end. Con-;
trot decided to summon rrie
to the Soviet Union with the';
aim of guaranteeing my safe-'`
ty. And here I am. I have
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possible and reasonable 1, ,;
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saw wrtn pleasure-the play
? +. ?A1Ps Well That Ends Well,'.
'performed by the Royal
Shakespeare Company. In a
.~ word, I live afull-blooded
,, life. I cannot complain about'
~.. my health."
"comrade Kim, a last, per-
~' baps rather straightforward'
~ question: Are }you happy?"
'~ '"The major part of my life
j ~is behind me. Looking back:
t over the. past years, I don't '
think that I lived them in .
f vain. Y`es,,,I ? am happy. I
y would like'on my own accord
r ' to repeat the words of Felix .
bzerzhinsky, the knight of
~ the Revolution, the great hu- `
?;~ ~ manist::IP I had to, begin my
~~:life again?I would b~egfn it '
;...just as I did'" '
We say Farewell. The four-
~?; hour conversation is over. OP
;'? course, the 30 unusual years
7 of this astonisliing 'man have
not all fited into these four ~~
~,. hours. We arrange ndvz:meet- ;
~' ings. Comrade Philby prom-
~ses to visit our editorial of=
fices. We congratulate shim ,
;?; from the bottom of our hearts
t.. on the. coming jubilee-the
? ~, 50th' :anniversary of the-
z~,, Cheka-K.G.B.-the fest{va1 of
~; the Soviet Chekists. It is ia?
W; deetd a~sa his hoLj~lay,, '
,. _ , a
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