JOURNAL OFFICE OF LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL FRIDAY - 3 DECEMBER 1971

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• Publication Date: December 3, 1971
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OFFICE OF LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL
Friday - 3 December 1971
1. Talked to Chairman James Eastland,
Senate Judiciary Committee, and explained that we were much concerned
over hearing that the Committee, in executive session, had ordered the
reporting out of the Ervin bill (S. 1438), which caused us serious problems.
I showed the Senator a letter to Senator Ervin from the Director, dated
21 May 1971, reiterating our request for a complete exemption. Senator
Eastland replied that it was his impression that Senator Ervin had indicated
to the Committee that the present bill was acceptable to all of the Federal
agencies concerned. However, he called for a transcript of the full Committee
discussion of the bill and on examination it appeared that Senator Ervin had
not made this statement. Senator Eastland said the best thing we could do
wou:Ld be to try to get Senator Strom Thurmond, who had seconded the motion
to report out the bill, to put a "hold" on it. Senator Eastland explained that
this would ensure that the bill would not be reported out during this session
and give us time to "lobby" among members of the Committee in an effort to
get the Committee to report out an amendment.
In response to my inquiry, Senator Eastland said it would be worth
touching base with the following Committee members: Senators Burdick,
Byrd, McClellan, Hruska, Scott, Fong, Cook and possibly Mathias.
I showed Senator Eastland a copy of the Director's letter to Senator
Ervin and the Senator commented "of course you must have an exemption.
I asked him if there was anything else he could do for us or suggest that
we do. He said the only things he could recommend were that we take the
matter up with Senator Thurmond and talk to several Committee members
whom we thought would be sympathetic.
2. In connection with the above, I went to Senator
Strom Thurmond's office and, in his absence, talked to his Administrative
Assistant Dan Carrison who introduced me to one of the Senator's staff members
concerned with legislative matters, Henry Herlong. I explained our problem to
Herlong and left with him a copy of the Director's letter to Senator Ervin of
21 May 1971 repeating our request for a complete exemption. Herlong said he
did not know what the Senator's reaction would be but he would raise the matter
with him at the earliest opportunity. I said I would be back in touch with him
the first of the week. Herlong said the Senator's staff assistant most familiar
with the problem would be Mr. Hastings Wyman, who was out of town but would
be in the office Monday and he would mention the matter to Wyman.
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3. Discussed our problem with the Ervin
bill (S. 14 With r. arre . Claire, Chief Clerk, Office of the Secretary
of the Senate, who advised strongly against our trying to get the matter raised
on the floor if we were unsuccessful in Committee. He said Senator Thurmond
could probably get the matter reconsidered in the Judiciary Committee if he
wished but warned that it would be hard to get anyone else to challenge Senator
Ervin head-on in a matter in which Ervin is so deeply committed.
4. Discussed the above problem with Ed
Braswell, Chief Counsel, Senate Armed Services Committee, who said that
probably Senator Stennis would be willing to call Senator Ervin in our behalf
if pressed, but the Senator was so preoccupied with a number of urgent
matters that he hoped we wouldn't call on him unless we thought it essential.
5. Intercepted Senator Strom Thurmond on his
way from his office to te floor and had a hurried conversation with him about
the Ervin bill. He said we should put our case in writing and give it to Mr.
Wyman of his staff the first of the week.
6. Talked to Mr. Victor Smiroldo, Counsel,
House Post Office and Civil Service Committee, and told him that the Senate
Committee on the Judiciary has ordered S. 1438, the Ervin bill, reported.
The bill hasn't been reported to the Senate as yet. I told him we had been in
contact with the Committee staff and with the Chairman and other members of
the Committee. We have been successful, we believe, in having the language
in the Committee report deleted which stated, in effect, that the Committee
amendments met with the approval of this Agency. This results from the fact
that our Director's letter of 21 May 1971 may not have been considered when the
bill came up before the Committee for consideration last month. It is Mr.
Smiroldo's opinion that we are lucky if we have achieved an amendment to the
report which would be favorable to our position. He said that in his years in
dealing with these people, he has found them most difficult. He does not feel
that we need go any farther with the Senate Committee unless we have other
problems. He will bring Mr. Martiny, Chief Counsel of the Committee, up-
to-date when he returns to the city on Monday.
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7. Received a call from Jay Sourwine, Chief
Counsel, Senate Internal Security Subcommittee, who told me he had been
requested by members of the Judiciary Committee to ascertain for their
use without attribution the names of the principal Soviet intelligence officers
in the various Latin American and South American countries such as Mexico
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I, called to say
he had ma e arrangemen s wi the Department of Defense for an Agency
representative to review the transcript of the Joint Chiefs of Staff's testimony
before the Senate Armed Services Committee on the
They will let us know early next week when this can be done.
10. Left with Dorothy Fosdick, Senate Subcom-
mittee on National Security and International Operations staff, an FBIS item
in which Senator Jackson's name was mentioned.
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James T. Kbnaan, ie Counsel,'
unse , Senate Subcommittee on Preparedness
Investigating, Armed Services Committee, unclassified material on the
intelligence community, especially the United States Intelligence Board.
On the basis of a quick look at the papers, Kendall said this was exactly
what he wanted and thanked us for a prompt response.
Aeronautical and Space Sciences Committee, that the compartmented AVv
clearances for Charles Lombard were ready and we could brief Lombard
and the rest of the Committee staff at Gehrig's convenience on the status of
Soviet space programs. Gehrig advised me that the staffing situation with
Senator Curtis as Ranking Minority member has changed somewhat from
what it has been in the past, and he asked that I get back in touch with him
in the near future before finalizing Lombard's clearance and signing him up.
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Committee staff, on our input to the State Department in their preparation
of a coordinated Executive Branch comment to the Foreign Relations Com-
mittee on S. Res. 192. Ticer thought the points we had raised were good
ones and added that there was no real pressure on this resolution in the
Armed Services Committee at this time. (S. Res. 192 has been referred
jointly to both the Foreign Relations and Armed Services Committees. )
I advised Ticer of the latest developments with respect to the Ervin
bill (S. 1438) and of our contact with Senator Eastland and our plans to see
Senator Thurmond.
14. Picked up from George Murphy, Joint Committee
on Atomic y stair, a copy of a study "Comments on Recent USSR Work
on Laser-Driven Fusion (U)" by Keith A. Brueckner and Raymond A. Grandey
of KMS Fusion, Inc., in response to a request from of OSI.
Murphy also provided me with a copy of an AEC letter concerning this study
which he wanted handled on an "eyes only" basis. These have been passed
on to I and will be returned to the Committee.
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