JOURNAL- OFFICE OF LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL

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• Publication Date: June 27, 1972
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JOURNAL
OFFICE OF LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL
Tuesday - 27 June 1972
1. (Confidential - GLC) During the morning Jack Ticer, Chief
Clerk, Senate Armed Services Committee, called. He said he had just
stepped out of a Committee meeting at Senator Goldwater's request to
raise with the Director personally the question of "If, in his opinion, SALT
eliminates the need for SAM-D? " I told Ticer I thought this was a question
which we would want to defer to someone else since we did not keep track of
US weapons programs. However, on the instructions of the Director, I
quoted the Director as saying "We in the Agency do not know what the current
specifications for SAM-D are. Therefore, reluctantly, we are not in a position
to have an opinion one way or the other or to be on one side or the other. "
Later in the day Ticer told me he had passed the Director's message
to Senator Goldwater and commented Goldwater was not happy with the
Director's response and said he (Goldwater) hoped the Agency did not always
do business that way.
2. (Confidential - GLC) I called Leonard Killgore, Administrative
Assistant to Senator Barry Goldwater (R., Ariz.), and advised him of my
earlier conversations with Jack Ticer, Senate Armed Services Committee
staff. I told him we understood the Senator was not particularly happy with
the Director's response but tried to explain to Killgore that we did not keep
track of US weapons programs nor were we in the net assessment business
and this is why the Director felt we could not state a position on this issue.
I underscored that we, in fact, do not have the specifications on Sam D.
Killgore explained he had attended committee hearings for Senator Goldwater
during his recent absence because of illness and that he and the Senator had
found only one instance in which a witness ever leveled with the committee
on SALT and this was in off the record statements made by Secretary Laird
on 6 June. He said all of this had left Goldwater quite exasperated with the
testimony that has been given and he wanted to go to the one man he felt would
give him an honest unbiased response. He said he appreciated the reasons
why the Director felt he could not answer the Senator's question but thought
it would be very useful if the Director called the Senator before his departure
from Washington on Friday and explained this to him personally. The Director
said he would give Goldwater a call in the next day or two.
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7. (Secret - JGO) Met with Mr. George W. Ashworth, Senate
Foreign Relations Committee staff, who asked if the Agency could provide
the Committee with a brief survey of weather modification in Indochina.
He said that this is a matter that Senator Pell (D. , R. I. ) has become quite
interested in and that he has requested staff assistance in developing the
question. I told him that with the exceptions of Senator Pell's short press
release over the weekend concerning alleged weather modification
of American forces over North Vietnam, I knew nothing of the modification
and recommended to him that he refer the question to the Department of
State. As a followon to last week's briefing he asked also if the Agency has
any information concerning the possibility or engineering capability of the
Soviets to increase the missile capacity of the Y-class submarine from
12 to 16 or more missiles.
8. (Secret - JGO) Met with Mr. Ralph Preston, House Appropriations
Committee staff, who told me that his time for this week and part of next
has been completely scheduled but he will meet with our people as soon as
possible. I briefed him on the following items: North Vietnamese offensive
toward Hue, action on the Bolovens Palteau, North Vietnamese concern over
support by allies, Soviet delivery of the Flogger to frontal aviation, KY-9
test, orbit of an unmanned Soyuz spacecraft and the French nuclear test of
25 June.
9. (Confidential - JGO) Met with Mr. Jack Sullivan, House Foreign
Affairs Committee staff, who told me with apologies thatthe Committee will have
to change the 25 July date for possible meeting with the Director on verification
of the SALT agreement. He will call as soon as the Chairman focuses on a
new date. Mr. Sullivan asked if we could have a transcript and I reminded
him that we have not had a transcript in the past in appearance before the
Committee. This point will require further discussion. The present schedule
of the Committee will be to have Messrs. Rogers and Laird on the first day
of testimony, Admiral Moorer and another military witness on the second, and
Mr. Helms on the third day to be followed by such members of Congress and
private individuals as may request to be heard. The DCI has been advised.
10. (Internal Use Only - JGO) Met with Mr. Richard Moose, Senate
Foreign Relations Committee staff, who told me that he has been working on
behalf of the Foreign Relations Committee with representatives of the Senate
Rules Committee and others concerning utilization of computer techniques.
He anticipates that the question of development of a vocabulary for CommitUX1A
use will arise within the next few weeks and asked if it mould be possible to
meet with Agency personnel for informal discussion on the subject.
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8. (Confidential - JMM) John Lehman, NSC staff, called to ask how
the Director's appearance before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee
yesterday went. I said there were no major problems although the Director
did get a number of questions about the validity of the "bargaining chips" theory
i. e. , that we should proceed with our strategic weapons programs in order to
maintain a bargaining position and, why the Soviets had been unwilling to
declare the number of their ICBM launchers. I said none of these questions
produced any fireworks or controversy. Lehman asked whether we had sent
over to the White House a copy of the Director's prepared statement and I
explained the Director had a policy of not releasing or coordinating his
statements, since he felt to do so would have an adverse effect on his
credibility as an independent voice. Lehman did not pursue the matter.
9. (Confidential - JMM) During the above conversation with'John
Lehman, I explained the status of the "Case compromise" which would limit
the application of Section 515 of the Foreign Assistance Authorization bill (S. 3390)
to Thailand. Lehman said this sounded acceptable to the Administration and
would check with State and then make their recommendations to Senator Dominick.
10. (Unclassified - JMM) Talked to Carl Mar-cwr, Staff Director, Senate
Foreign Relations Committee, who described a rather tempestuous session of
the Committee today when Chairman Fulbright had attacked Secretary Laird
for exaggerating the Soviet threat in order to get money for defense programs
and charged Laird with distorting intelligence for this purpose, citing the contrast
between Laird's testimony and earlier testimony by CIA witnesses.
11. (Internal Use Only - LLM) Called Dick Schultz, House Internal
Security Committee staff, and told him that I had looked into the status o Q4TOTHR
I I and learned that he was notified in the middle of April It'
we had no suitable vacancy, and subsequently, the application had been re-
evaluated with the same result. As a consequence, if had
pending job opportunities, I would recommend that he ought to accept them,
explaining that we were just not hiring in the areas which he had expressed
interest.. I also told him that the results of this most recent review would
be most formally relayed back to Chairman Ichord. plans to 25X1A
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20. (Secret - JGO) Received a call from Mr. Ralph Preston, Staff
Assistant, House Appropriations Committee, who told me that the-DOD repro-
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forward to the Secretary of Defense. No questions were raised about the
portions of the reprogramming in which we were interested.
I ave been advised.
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JOURNAL
OFFICE OF LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL
Tuesday - 20 June 1972
1. (Unclassified - JGO) Met with Mr. Siegmund W. Smith, STATOTHR
Administrative Assistant to Representative Lionel Van Deerlin (D. , Calif. ),
and reviewed with him the correspondence from
concerning her experience with the Civil Service Commlss-io-n-Fe-sf center in
San Diego, California. Mr. Smith appreciated our response and said that
he would refer Miss Moore's letter to the Commission for comment.
2. Secret - JGO) accompanied by
et with Mr. aT re toouse appropriations Committee
staff, and briefed him on the Agency manpower and dollar background of
the Department of Defense reprogramming items presented yesterday
by the Department of Defense Comptroller's office.
Memorandum for the Record.
Mr. Preston mentioned in passing that he is still unable to schedule
a visit to Headquarters for briefing by nd Proctor. He will
try later in the week to see what he can o or next week. He will, however,
try to find time to meet with IC, for further discussion on
the community budget. as been advised.
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3. (Secret - JGO) Met with Mr. Robert Lockhart, Assistant Counsel,
House Post Office and Civil Service Committee, who told me that the Manpower
Subcommittee cancelled last week and this week's meetings for consideration
of the draft bill proposed by the Committee staff on Federal Executive Service
(FES). The next meeting of the Manpower Subcommittee is scheduled for
Thursday, 29 June, Mr. Lockhart noted that the FES bill reported by Senate
Post Office and Civil Service Committee is poorly drafted and that the use of
presidential authority to grant exemptions under the Act may well create more
problems than it solves. Were the two bills to pass in their present form,
Mr. Lockhart sees no question but that the House bill would be accepted in
conference. The draft House bill has been closely coordinated with the Civil
Service Commission and Mr. Seymour Berlin's office and although it does not
contain everthing that the Commission desires, the provisions set forth in the
bill are acceptable to the Commission. Mr. Lockhart noted again that he had
our Agency comments on the original bill in front of him at the time this bill was
drafted. He eliminated those sections that we found objectionable in the earlier bill.
I thanked Mr. Lockhart for his advice and told him I would be back in touch with
him.
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6. (Secret - JGO) Talked to Ralph Preston, House Appropriations
Committee staff, who told me that he met this afternoon with DOD Comptroller
representatives on reprogramming items. These items included some matters
related to the Agency. Mr. Preston told me the DOD people did not have any
of the backup material relating to the Agency items and asked if we could meet
with him at 11:00 tomorrow morning. Figures in question relate primarily to
pay increases for which the material presented had been drawn up last
February. Mr. Preston would like to review the manpower and dollar figures
involved. OPPB, has been advised.
7. (Secret - JGO) Talked to Mr. Wayne Birdsall, commercial
reporting firm of Ward and Paul, and arranged for security control of the
transcripts of the DCI briefing of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee for
Tuesday, 20 June. By present schedule Mr. Ben Firshine will be the reporter.
8. (Unclassified - MMC) Received a call from Mr. Larry Bowles,
Administrative Assistant to Representative Charles Jonas (R. , N. C.), who25X1A
requested that brochures and application forms be sent directly to a
constituent,
The Office o ersonne as been advised.
9. (Secret - JMM) Accompanied Bruce Clarke, D/OSR, ,
OSI, and MSAC, who briefed Senator Henry M. Jackson and
Richard er. e and orot y Fosdick, Subcommittee on National Security and
International Operations, in response to a number of questions which the staff
had referred to us regarding Soviet strategic weapons. Questions and answers
are on file in OLC. Mr. Clarke agreed to supply additional information
regarding projections of future Soviet submarine production and location of 25X1
ICBMs in the Moscow area which might be defended by the existing ABM system
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12. (Secret - JGO) Talked to Ralph Preston, House Appropriations
Committee staff, and brought him up-to-date on Messrs.
meeting yesterday with Dr. Albert C. Hall, Assistant Secretary o
Defense (Intelligence), and told Preston that Dr. Hall, or a member of the
DOD Comptroller shop, may be coming to him directly for guidance in
format desired for the spread sheet on tactical intelligence. Preston said
he would be glad to give them the necessary guidance. Preston will try to
ind the time to meet with me and I during the day tomorrow. 25X1A
IC, has been advised.
13. (Unclassified - JGO) Bill Ashworth, Senate Foreign Relations
Committee staff, called and cancelled for this afternoon due to a Committee
meeting and after checking with Bruce Clarke, D/OSR, the meeting was
rescheduled for 3:00 tomorrow afternoon. OS, has been advised.
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14. (Unclassified - LLM) Yesterday Ray McRae, Minority Counsel,
Subcommittee on Intergovernmental Relations, Committee on Government
Operations, called to report that he had sent our proposed letter to Senator
John McClellan (D. , Ark. ) on advisory committee legislation (S. 3529) to the
former General Counsel of the Subcommittee for review and comments and
asked if I would be available on call to meet with them if this became
necessary. I told him that we would be happy to cooperate in any way and to
just give us a call. McRae said now that Senator McClellan has won the
primary election, it is possible that the pace of committee activities will
increase.
15. (Unclassified - LLM) Yesterday the office of Representative
Wayne Hays (D., Ohio) called and said that the Congressman was interested
in having a copy of the China Atlas. I told the caller that the item was now
available from the Government Printing Office and that our supply is pretty
much depleted, but that I would see if we could locate one for Mr. Hays.
16. (Internal Use Only - LLM) Al Westphal, House Foreign Affairs
Committee Staff Consultant, called to report that he had been successful in
getting the conferees to accept our modification of the little Hoover Commis-
sion provision in the USIA/State authorization bill (S. 3526) based upon the
material which I had given him on 8 June. The modification was designed to
resolve any conflict between the Commission's authority to obtain information
and the Director's responsibility for protecting intelligence sources and
methods, etc. I thanked Mr. Westphal for his help and told him that I knew
the Director and Mr. Maury would be very grateful.
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8. (Confidential - GLC) Received a call from
who said that during Secretary Laird's testimony before the Defense Sub-
committee of Senate Appropriations Committee Senator Symington commented
about the fact that Secretary Laird had provided for the open record figures
on Soviet missile inventory. He added these same figures were being treated
as classified and extremely sensitive by the Director of Central Intelligence
in testimony before another committee of which Symington was a member.
I explained to II that Senator Symington was undoubtedly referring to
the Director's appearance in executive session before the Joint Committee
on Atomic Energy.
9. (Confidential - GLC) Talked to Bill Woodruff, Counsel, Senate
Appropriations Committee, about Senator Symington's comments at the
Defense Subcommittee meeting this afternoon and he verified that Senator
Symington had expressed his confusion over the fact that the same figures
were being treated as sensitive in one briefing and unclassified elsewhere.
Senator Symington also said the Director would be asked to testify before
congressional committees on U. S. national means of verification.
10. (Secret - GLC) Handcarried to the Joint Committee on Atomic
Energy 19 additional copies of the Director's prepared statement for the use
of the Committee members and staff during the Director's briefing today.
Following the briefing 18 of these copies were returned.
11. (Unclassified - SMG) Mrs. Grimsley, in the office of Repre-
sentative Elwood Hillis (R. , Ind. ), called to check on the application of
Based on the advice
of the Office of Personnel, told Mrs. rims ey at we had no record of
receiving an application from al She said she would ch2t1(1A
for further information and be back in touch.
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8. (Secret - JMM) Bill Miller, of Senator John Sherman Cooper's
(R. , Ky.) office, called to say the Senator was interested in any comments on the
New York Times story quoting Laird on Soviet MIRV tests. I said we didn't know
what the Secretary had said, but on the basis of intelligence estimates available
it appeared that the press story was garbled and that the Defense Department
would be the people to straighten it out.
9. (Secret - JMM) Called Dorothy Fosdick, in Senator Jackson's office,
to say that we had no evidence supporting some of the points made in a
New York Times story attributed to testimony by Secretary Laird. I speculated
the story was the result of a garble and suggested the people to straighten it
out was the Defense Department since they knew what the Secretary had said
and we didn't.
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Friday - 9 June 1972
1. (Secret - JGO) Talked to Ralph Preston, House Appropriations
Committee staff, who told me that he would be unable to make the appointment
for Tuesday to visit Headquarters for a briefing on a sensitive readout system.
At the Chairman's direction he and Paul Wilson will be meeting with representa-
tives of OMB to draft a "continuing resolution. " Messrs. Proctor, DDI,
Steininger, ADD/S&T, IC, have been adv j 11A
2. (Secret - JMM) Dorothy Fosdick, Staff Director, Subcommittee on
National Security and International Operations, called first thing this morning
from Senator Jackson's office to ask about the New York Times story quoting
Secretary'Laird as saying the Soviets are testing an MIRV. I said I would
check and let her know what we had,
3. (Secret - JMM) Had a number of discussions with Ed Braswell and
Jim Woolsey, of the Senate Armed Services Committee staff, who had heard
Secretary Laird's testimony and confirmed the general accuracy of the New York
Times version of what Laird said. I explained to them that our evidence did
not support the press version of Laird's remarks.
4. (Unclassified - JMM) Bill Holt, of Representative Sam Stray Ls
office, called in behalf of a constituent, F_ I who is an25XlA
applicant for an Agency position. We have alerted Personnel that
will be calling for an appointment.
5. (Confidential - JMM) In the absence of Rady Johnson, Assistant
to the Secretary of Defense (Legislative Affairs), I talked to Don Floyd, of ISA
in Defense, who is concerned with the funding of the Thai irregulars. He
said Johnson and Tom Korologos, of the White House, were handling the
problem with Stennis.
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7. (Confidential - LLM) Accompanied WH Divisi26X(1A
who used the name of Jim Cromford, to a meeting with
The arrangements were made following a ca from epre-1
rt Sikes (D. , Fla.) to General Walters. Bazan's two princi';-
pal concerns were (1) his secretary's immigration from Cuba (it was agreed
that the Agency would check out the various legal means for her immigr q~
once he provides certain details which he will do in the next week or so), ' dA
(2) gaining the release of political prisoners in Cuba (he believes they area
vexing problem for Castro and that Castro would like to find a solution;
intends to do some hard thinking about this problem, fully recognizing that i
is a political problem and not a problem for this Agency). said h?54*C
a classmate of Congressman Sikes at the University of Georgia. During our
hour and a half session, he followed Sikes' suggestion that he speak with us
just as if he were speaking with his good friend Sikes. appeared to ~
complete confidence in understanding of t a situation in Cuba and
at the end of our session it appeared that had achieved what he had25tlA
out to do: (1) at least attempt to assist his secretary and (2) obtain a knowl-
edgeable and sympathetic audience for his views. (See F Mer,2&X1A
randum for the Record. )
8. (Confidential - PLC) Col. Ginsberg, in the office of Admiral
Moorer, Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff, called requesting any information
in Agency files concerning a reporter who had wi3 Af?THR
story from Hanoi as to effects of American Lombing. The information was
to be included in a reply by the Joint Chiefs to an inquiry from Senator Hartke.
Col. Ginsberg had made this request initially with DIA; however, the CIA
analyst referred the inquiry to Legislative Counsel in view of the congressional
interest. CRS, informed me that there is limited information
which is c assn ie concerning Henri(a French newsman who has been in
Hanoi for 2 years) which can be released to the Joint Chiefs. I subsequently
called Col. Ginsberg. However, he declined the information as he felt it
better to deal with Senator Hartke on an unclassified basis.
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Tuesday - 6 June 1972
1. (Secret - JGO) Met with Mr. Ralph Preston, House Appropriations
Committee staff, and made an appointment to pick him up at 11:00 a. m. ,
Tuesday, 13 June, for a luncheon meeting at Headquarters for further briefing
on sensitive projects outlined by the Director in the briefing of the Special
Intelligence Group on 1 June 1972. The offices of Messrs. Steininger, ADD/S&T,
and Proctor, DDI, have been advised.
I also discussed with him the Committee request for a spread sheet on
tactical intelligence programs of the Department of Defense. Mr. Preston
indicated that as was discussed during the meeting with the Special Intelligence
Group this is a matter of strong interest but that the Chairman understands that
at this stage we will, of necessity, have to deal in "round numbers" rather than
technical detail. I thanked Mr. Preston for the advice. IC,
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2. (Internal Use Only - JGO) Met with Mr. William Shattuck, Counsel,
Subcommittee No. 2 of the House Judiciary Committee, concerning the bill
2(11PPe relief of Shattuck told me that he
followed normal ommi ee procedure in requesting a report from the Civil
Service Commission. He will request a report from the Agency also if it
would be of assistance to us in supporting the claim. I thanked him for his
offer and told him I would talk to him again on Friday or Monday which would
give us time to check with the Civil Service Commission before talking to him
again. Although he cannot guarantee the success of this bill, the Committee has
approved a limited number of somewhat similar bills in the past. Mr. Ben
DeFelice, OP, has been advised.
3. (Secret - JMM) Met with Ralph Preston, Staff Assistant, House
Appropriations Committee, and gave him a revised statement on the contractors
involved in a certain sensitive community technical collection project.
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attached is some material which our people worked
up at lunchti a today for Senator McGee' s use in
testimony by efore Senator Prox-
mire's Foreign Operations Subcommittee of
Senate Appropriations. Senator McGee decided
not to get into a debate withiIand did not
use the material but it might be o some help to responses to these
your people who are prepari~i d might use when
allegations which Secretary
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8. (Confidential - GLC) Talked with Colonel George Dalferes, Deputy
Assistant to the Secretary of Defense (Legislative Affairs), and subsequently
sent to Assistant Secretary Rady Johnson the backup material we had prepared
for Senator McGee 's information at th1hearing this afternoon. I! I told
Johnson that since McGee had not used is material DOD might find it useful
in preparing Secretary Laird's response to these charges when he appears
before Proxmire's Subcommittee on Monday. STATOTHR
9. (Secret - GLC) At lunch today I talked with Bill Woodruff, Co;unsel,
Senate Appropriations Committee, about our intention to give Ralph Preston,
House Appropriations Committee staff, a thorough briefing on the sensitive
readout program. Woodruff thought this would be highly desirable, commenting
that if Preston had difficulty with this program it could present a real problem.
Woodruff said he had provided Preston with all of his background files on the
program in an effort to bring him up to speed.
Woodruff also commented in confidence that Tom Scott, Chief Clerk,
Senate Appropriations Committee, might decide to retire by the end of this
month. If Scott should retire and Woodruff is elevated to his position, this
will pose a very real staff problem in connection with the handling of the
Defense Subcommittee (and CIA) matters since Woodruff feels it would be out
of the question to have the Chief Clerk handle DOD matters in addition to his
other responsibilities. At the present time there is no one on the Committee
staff who is capable of taking over the work which Woodruff is presently
handling.
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10. (Secret - JMM) I and I met with Senator Gale McG 41tl`
explained to him our problems with allegations of regarding the
drug traffic in Southeast Asia. McGee was very he p u an promised to appear
this afternoon to look out for our interests. He put us in touch with Maurice
Pujol, of the Foreign Operations Subcommittee staff of Senate Appropriations.
We prepared material for Senator McGee's use at the hearing. See Memo for
Record.
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9. (Secret - JGO) After the briefing by the Director and Mr. Colby,
I met with Ralph Preston, House Appropriations Committee staff, who told
me that as a followup the Director should provide the Committee with a
spread sheet on the tactical intelligence programs of DOD and a summary
by departments. IC, has been advised. Preston told' me
that such a sprea sheet had been provided for the Committee by someone
last year.
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Director, House Appropriations Committee, wh s ce a an appoint n- I---
be scheduled for his so for some time next week. An arrnoi-h+v",--n -
was made with WARD, for 10:00 a.m., Monday,
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11. (Secret - JMM) Accompanied the Director who briefed the
Group of House Appropriations Committee on the community and Agency
budgets. See Memo for Record.
Mr. Evans
Mr. Houston Mr. Thuermer
Mr. Clarke O/DDCI
DDI DDS DDS&T
EA/DDP OPPB
Item 1 - D/Finance, OCS
Item 10-OP
OHN M. MAURY
'-Legislative Counsel
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