EERIE TALK WITH CALIFORNIA NAZIS

• Document Type: CREST
• Collection: General CIA Records
• Document Number (FOIA) /ESDN (CREST): CIA-RDP73-00475R000100890002-8
• Release Decision: RIPPUB
• Original Classification: K
• Document Page Count: 1
• Document Creation Date: December 27, 2016
• Document Release Date: January 6, 2014
• Sequence Number: 2
• Publication Date: January 26, 1965
• Content Type: OPEN SOURCE

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Declassified in Pari - Sanitized Copy Approved for Release @ 50-Yr 2014/01/06: CIA-RDP73-00475R000100890002-8
JAN 2 6 1965
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;"control" of the U.S.: goVera .."-
ment in 1972. ? . ?
' \ :??. !' Rockwell's solution. is ? to
"convince" Negroes to volun-
Itarily migrate. to Africa. A Mori c.a. He's-got - a blilliant
He stresses that "no Negroes ,mind and an ?
;articulate
I will be forced to go." tongue. ? .
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;I "Howe v e r, Negroes re- Irwins.an exception,
' among all those :niggers and
nlaining in America will be '
Jews and commies an
rigidly segregated nen-cit- sex
?izens," Rockwell's "solution" perverts that have ,'taken
'.'-? . ' over the University of Cali-
concludes.?
Thus far, Forbes says, he f o r.n i a campus," Rockwell
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has recruited more than 100 ;. .; . ;?
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members. ,L? . ; "And Martell. is loyal and
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? By Paul Avery
Chronicle Correspondent. '
Glendale i
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It is an eerie experience.
AO interview a Nazi leader
lvfh 11 e one of his storm-'
'lrOopers wearing .a .38
; caliber revolver tucked in
a.? holster on his hip ??,
. w4lks around the room,
staring with sullen sus'
,picion. ? - i
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it becomes even more tin.;
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.repring when you are told the 'CONVERSION'
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:pan with the weapon ' Ile. c a 1 ml y talks' of
, vquldn't hesitate to use it,If 'Peaceful. . . . Constitutional
ir'''A n e.c e s sa r y, to 'defend the .' ir,? . . conversion" of Ameri-
\hid:Western Division Headquar- cciinto. a "National Socialist', anyone starts a fight withus
ibis of the American 'Nazi' government in one breath, we fight back . .!. and we
. . ipa;rty that has been estab-- and in the next, just as calm-
fight well, believe. me."
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. ;lished here. ' . i Iy:i states: . He concedes that the San
- : ? Captain Ralph .P. FOrbes,!,' ?, f,.?rf I thought killing (the Fr an c is c o unit is barely
' st here two years ago as' II e v e r e n d) Martin Luther holdings its own. He' plans to
bid top-ranking Nazi in the: Iii.ilg would solve the nivel. send Blair there to bolster it.
; He is. happily married, has!
a On and a daughter. ,and is;
awaiting the birth of a third!
child in a lei+, weeks.
? pis voice is soft; his vocab-'
illtiry extensive,. and his
verds well chosen. '
!Ilia, as in the case of all
Nazis, it is what he says that.
' its the stamp ? of the swas-
tika on Forbes. .
"We realize we are'. not
going to change the Nation or
the world overnight," Fqrbe's
said. "But believe me .f. .
we will change it," .. ?
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?PICKETI
"W e* picket peacefully,"
Forbes' said. "We don't' look
for trouble . . . but we 'are
always ready fork .
"We -are not pacifist non-
violent.'.ereeps like the civil
rights scum . .we mind
our own business:? but if
t,
Western United States, intro- Preblem I , wouldn'.1, hesitate
;?diced the burly gun-bearer, to do it ? or at least try ?
i "That's 'Lieutenant Harry, bt.i.1 1 don't think it would ac-
flair . . . the man I'm going, complish inything but make
to ? send to San Francisco to a. martyr ? out of. him. Vio-
,Ivad our operations there,"
Pqrbes said. "He's the duty
.of:f icer today. That's why
? he's wearing the gun." ?
I Forbes then explained mat-
ter.-of-factly that a Nazi duty
!olicer sis under orders to be
armed at all times "in case;
. ? vitre attacked."
? p'orbes proves something,
. o!!'a surprise to those who.
net him ? for the first time.
Ea:looks nothing like Most. of
tia Hitlevphilosophy
follow-
'ea interviewed by The
; Chronicle' during its lengthy
:.iiVestigation of Nazi activi-
. ties in California.
. ' He is a handsome, husky
2I-year-old ex-Marine Corps
cox oral,p with neatly
itri mmed broWn hair and
sjarkling blue eyes that
Ef-i*w no trace of the wildness
i?ef.lome of his
"But it's a good thing we
have Irwin up there," Forbes
said. "He's keeping the unit
'together, until we can . send
him assistance.'" ?
.leriee isn t the solution today. He was .: referring to .Clyde
. T.he 'solution is to' ship all the Thomas' Irwin, a a 13-year-old
niggers back to Africa.' ' \ ? .s-e-nior at ? the . 'University of
Then he quickly added: ? .; ,
"Don't get me wrong. '1
,don't hate niggers. *I have a
' fliend here in Glendale who's
a inigger ?.? except . I don't
oil ' him a 'nigger ? I call
hih-i.? a "good ? black man.' Tie
ckiesn't want mixing of tAe.
r4.* ?which is -a Jew-com-
.nite plot ?. any More than
Ave: ?( Nazis) do. That's 'why
;car' ? solution ' to the nigger
.problem is ? the ' only solu- It is Irwin, however, who is
bon." .. ? ? k e e P i n g Nazism alive in
-. This .so-called "solution" is N o r th e r n California,-'.not
the brainchild of Commander. Martell. And lie is apparently
George Lincoln Rocktvell,? doing a?good job of it.
f con d e r of the American 'As far as Forbes and Rock-
Nazi, party,, and is set forth well are. concerned, Irwin is 1 ,
in n um e r o ti s propaganda "worth his 'weight in gold.." ?::!. 4,,- :.
tracts outlining the party's'i , "I ?consider him one of the '1114.,7 ?,
"'program when, as Rock -? ?i - CAPTAiN RALPH FORBES ?
niost 'valuable men in the i;':?? ..i
. Nell...has .: predietedi.. it .talcesiwni. mov,e,ment:i3,.,P;
.r??.... ,..:. . ? hi% .;-.'fi. li'., ?', m ? nii4iacifist...creep??;., .:i....:.1
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California at Berkeley, 'who
for several months. has been
serving as the party's area
secretary.and official spokes-
man. '.
Assisting 'Irwin in coordi-
nating Bay Area Nazi activi-
ties is Stormleader Robert
Martell. '? It.. is 'in 1Viartell's
room on -Howard. .street that
the secret 'Nazi meetings are
held on Friday nights.; . ?
dedicated," he added. .
! Rockwell was not aware
When he heaped his "high
!,praise" on Irwta and Martell
i that the pair have strange
;secrets they hope will remain
:hidden. . .
; Tomorrow: The secrets of
!Clyde Thomas ,Irwin and
!,Robert Martell. '
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