JOURNAL OFFICE OF LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL TUESDAY - 30 SEPTEMBER 1969
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3. Upon learning that Chairman L. Mendel Rivers,
House Armed Services Committee, had mentioned, in his open testimony
before the House Rules Committee on the procurement bill, the fact that
the Soviets had a new bomber I immediately notified Messrs. II Duckett
and Goodwin.
4. Received a call from Mr. John Childers,
in the office of Senator Charles H. Percy (R., Ill.), who requested an
employment interview for After checking with
Office of Personnel, I advised Mr. Childers that an
appointment has been scheduled for Tuesday, 7 October at 10:00.
5. Received a call from Mrs. Strand,
in the office of Representative Ogden R. Reid (R. , N. Y. ), concerning the
briefing provided the International Relations Studies Group of the Good
Counsel College a year ago. If possible at this time, Representative Reid
would like to schedule a similar meeting for Wednesday, November 5. I
thanked Mrs. Strand for her call and advised that I would relay the
Representative's inquiry and be back in touch with her.
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6. Received a call from Mr. Jack Matteson,
Professional Staff Member of the House Government Operations Committee,
Foreign Operations and Government Information Subcommittee, who called
on behalf of Chairman John Moss (D., Calif.) concerning the statutory cita-
tions of Agency authority to withhold witnesses and information from the
"criminal trial" of the Green Berets. On the advice of Mr. Houston, I gave
Mr. Matteson the pertinent sections of the Manual for Courts Martial and
the National Security Act of 1947. I also advised him that the Department
of Army JAG was the appropriate authority for advice on such questions.
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Monday - 29 September 1969
1. Met with Bill Woodruff, Senate Appropriations
Committee staff, and briefed him
this morning. I also advised him of the Soviet missile testi
Woodruff commented in passing that he thought the budget briefing Friday
had gone very well.
2. Met with Ed Braswell, Senate Armed Services
Committee staff, and rie ed him
I also asked Braswell if he had any background on the
discussions between Senators Thurmond and Stennis on Thurmond's interest
in the Panama Canal. (Senator Stennis had talked with the Director about
this at the conclusion of the budget briefing on Friday.) Braswell was not
able to shed any light on this but said he would see what he could find out.
We have since obtained a copy of Thurmond's bill (S. 2228) to provide for
improvements in the Canal and several statements made by Thurmond in the
Senate on this subject. These are being sent to for OCI's use
in preparing a paper which Senator Stennis requested on this. 25X1
I took this opportunity to again mention to Braswell the subject of
retirement legislation and suggested that we get together with him on our
proposals as soon as it was convenient for him to do so. We will follow up
on this.
Braswell also expressed the opinion that the budget briefing on Friday
had gone quite well. He added that we should not react too strongly or take
too literally comments made by Senator Russell at these briefings. (He was
specifically referring to the Senator's comment that he did not share our
enthusiasm about a sensitive project which was covered in this briefing. )
3. Received calls from both 'Messrs. Woodruff
and Braswell expressing surprise and some consternation over the phrasing
of Army Secretary Resor's statement on the Green Beret case as it referred
to the Agency. I advised them that I had no information on the considerations
that were involved in this statement.
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4, Delivered to Diane Daines, in the 25x1
office of Representative Laurence J. Burton (R., Utah), a suggested reply
to a constituent, and was thanked for our help. 25x1
5. Delivered to William Woodruff, Senate
Committee on Appropriations staff, a letter with attachments from the
Executive Director-Comptroller and a receipt was obtained. STATOTHR
6. Returned to the office of Representative Joel
Broyhill the Congressman's letter on behalf o who
apparently is confused and believes he has applied for a guard position with
the Agency when, apparently, he has applied for a guard position at the
Pentagon.
7. Mr. Rasmussen, in the office of 25x1
Representative Lee Hamilton (D., Ind. ), called and said they would like to
be put on permanent distribution for the Asia and Pacific and the Latin
America and West Europe Area Books and would like to continue to receive
the White Book as well. (See Journal of 19 September.) 25X1
FBIS, was advised.
8. Received from Mrs. Mary McLaughlin, Senate
Foreign Relations Committee staff, copies 1, 2, and 3 of 3 of the transcript
of the CIA briefing of Tuesday, 23 January 1968. These transcripts are
forwarded to the Agency for safekeeping and are subject to the call of the
Committee. (See Journal of 17 September. )
9.
Met with Miss Doris L. Scott, House Armed
Services Committee staff, and briefed her on certain compartmented
clearances. Appropriate documentation was completed.
10. At the request of Mr. John R. Blandford, Chief
Counsel, House Ar
med Services Committee, I met with Chairman Mendel
Rivers in his office
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Monday - 29 September 1969
11. Met with Mr. John R. Blandford, Chief Counsel,
House Armed Services Committee, and briefed him on the following items:
12. Met with Mr. Robert Michaels, House Appropria-
tions Committee staff, and briefed him on the following items :
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b. Soviet testing of a possibly new missi e;
c. Soviet Y-class submarine patrols; and
d. Warsaw pact military exercises.
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Soviet testing of a possibly new missile;
Soviet Y-class submarine patrols; and
Warsaw pact military exercises.
Received a call from Scott Cohen,
in the office of Senator Charles H. Percy (R. , Ill. ), who requested a
STATINTL personnel interview for After making the
25X1 arrangements with Office of Personnel, I advised Mr. Cohen
that the interview was sc e u e 03r 2: 00 p. m. this afternoon.
14. Returned to Dorothy Fosdick, Staff Director,
National Security and International Operations Subcommittee, the materials
she had given us on (Mr. Maury advised her 25x1
on Friday that the Agency had no association with either the individuals nor
do we have any information on the American officers mentioned in the news
reports. It was suggested that if Senator Jackson desired to pursue the matter,
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Mr. David Brandwein, Director, FMSAC,
accompanied by met with Representative George P.
Miller (D., Calif. ), C airman, House Science and Astronautics Committee,
and briefed him on selected Soviet space events. Chairman Miller was highly
appreciative and requested that a similar briefing be provided at an appropriate
time for other senior members of the Committee. Chairman Miller will make
the arrangements with the members and will be back in touch with us to schedule
a date for the briefing. (See Memorandum for the Record.)
2. Received a call from Mrs. Mary McLaughlin,
Senate Foreign Relations Committee staff, who advised that transcripts of
various meetings involving the Director of Central Intelligence would be ready
on Monday for transfer to the Agency for safekeeping. I thanked Mrs. McLaughlin
for the call and advised that I would be by on Monday to pick them up.
3. Received a call from Mr. Stephen Blakeslee,
Legislative Assistant to Senator Richard Schweiker (R., Pa.), who requested
an Agency briefing for himself on Laos. I advised Mr. Blakeslee that the
Agency does not provide intelligence briefings for staff assistants, but that I
would be pleased to transmit his request if the Senator himself desires such a
briefing. Mr. Blakeslee said no, that this was for himself and that he had
suspected that such a briefing might not be available to him.
4.. Received a call from Mr. Peters, in the
office of Senator John Williams (R., Del.), who requested a er:sonnel interview
orl After making the arrangements with 25X1
Office of Personnel, I advised Mr. Peters that the interview was scheduled
for 2:00 this afternoon.
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5. The Director briefed the CIA Subcommittees
of Senate Appropriations and Senate Armed Services Committees on budget
matters. See Memo for the Record for details.
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1. In response to her call yesterday,
met with Miss Harriet Robnett, in the office of Senator Stuart Symington
(D. , Mo.), and reviewed new correspondence fro a 25X1
rejected applicant who had previously complained about the Agency's
employment processing procedures. Miss Robnett agreed that they could
close out the case by advising II that failure to meet CIA suitability
criteria would not militate against meeting the standards of other FederaISTATOTHR
agencies and that the Agency does not share its suitability evaluations with
other Federal agencies. I said we would review the case in this light and
supply her with a suggested reply.
2. I In response to her earlier call and
based on the advice of Mr. Personnel,
told Miss Gladys Hook, in the office of Representative Delbert L. Latta
(R. , Ohio), that interest had been expressed in the qualifications of
and that an Agency representative would contact hiYY-kTt1TnTl-II?
within the next week or two. I told her, however, that I should not
turn down other job offers in view of our lengthy employment processing
and the fact that we cannot promise him a job at this time. She said she
understood perfectly and would relay this to STATOTHR
25X1 3. Received a call from Mary D'Angelo, in
STATOTHR the office of Representative Florence P. Dwyer (R. , N. J.), who requested
a personnel interview forl After making arrangements with
25X1 Office of Personnel, I advised Mary D'Angelo that the
interview was scheduled for 1:00 p.m. this afternoon.
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5. DIA, called about the
upcoming hearings which Senator Symington's Subcommittee on U. S. Agreements
and Commitments Abroad of Senate Foreign Relations Committee, will be
holding on Laos. I is coordinating DOD's participation. He
merely wished to establish a point of contact in the Agency for future reference.
He also informed me that he is air-mailing to Saigon Senator Symington's
questionnaire with instructions that field units coordinate their preparation
of material for these hearings in the field.
6. Called Lt. Colonel R. A. Jones, in the
office of the Army Judge Advocate General, about his draft letter to
Senator Vance Hartke responding to an inquiry the Senator had received
from a constituent on the Green Beret case. I gave Colonel Jones several
minor suggestions on his draft which he seemed willing to accept and told
him we appreciated their cooperation in contacting us on this.
7. Frank Tsutras, Administrative Assistant
entative James Kee (D. , W. Va.), called about a constituent from
West Virginia (60 years of age) who is interested in CIA or State 25x1
Department employment. Avoiding the age factor, I gave Mr. Tsutras some
suggested language for a letter to the constituent indicating that our personnel
situation was such that we were not taking on many new employees.
8. Bill Woodruff, Senate Appropriations
Committee staff, called and said Senator Russell had decided to invite the
members of the Armed Services CIA Subcommittee to our budget briefing. He
stressed that this was at the invitation of Senator Russell. He also said the
"invitees" (Senators Fulbright, Mansfield and Aiken) are not being invited.
The Armed Services Subcommittee members will not be present at the NSA
and NRO hearings in the morning.
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9. Met separately with Messrs. John Reddan and
John Lally, House Armed Services Committee staff, and briefed them on
updating of security clearances of staff personnel of the Committee.
Appropriate documentation was completed on each individual.
Met with Mr. John R. Blandford, Chief Counsel,
House Armed Services Committee, and briefed him on several items of
current intelligence (see Memorandum for the Record).
11. Met with Mr. Robert Michaels, House Appro-
priations Committee staff, and briefed him on several items of current
intelligence (see Memorandum for the Record).
12. I Met with Mr. Walter Mote, Administrative
Assistant to the Vice President. Mr. Mote told me that he had suggested to
Bill Anders, of the National Aeronautics and Space Council, that he contact
me to insure that Chairman Miller, of the House Science and Astronautics
Committee, is in direct contact with the Agency for such intelligence briefings
as he may desire. This was occasioned by the departure of Mr. Mrozinski
from the Space Council's staff. I thanked Mr. Mote and responded that the
Agency has had direct contact with Chairman Miller over the years and that
we see no need for change in our procedures with him. Mr. Mote advised that
this step of insuring direct contact with the Chairman was warranted by problems
that have been encountered in the past in Council dealings with other members of
the House Science and Astronautics Committee.
13. In response to his earlier request
delivered to r es Lombard, Senate Republican Policy
Committee staff, two copies of an article by N.I. Krylov entitled The
Instructive Lessons of History" which was contained in the FBIS USSR
Area Book for 2 September 1969.
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14. Met with Mr. Charles Ducander and Mr. James
Wilson, House Science and Astronautics Committee staff, and advised them
of the meeting tomorrow with Chairman George Miller. I also briefed 25X1
Messrs. Ducander and Wilson on a recent Soviet space event.
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3. Received from Mrs. Amelia
Graves, Assistant to Senator Stuart Symington (D. , Mo. ), a sealed
letter addressed to the Director.
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Delivered to Donald Sarff, in the
office of Senator Frank E. Moss (D. , Utah), a suggested reply which he
said would be helpful in answering a constituent,
6. Delivered to Jay Sourwine, Chief
Counsel, Senate Internal Security Subcommittee, a news aper account on
Der Stern's publication of NATO documents which had promised 25X1
Sourwine in response to an earlier inquiry. He was grateful.
7. Delivered to Miss Pecoe, in the
office of Representative William Minshall (R. , Ohio), a suggested reply to
a constituent, ho had requested detailed information on the
Agency's activities and appropriations. Miss Pecoe thought this satisfied
their needs.
g. I Representative William D. Hathaway (R., Me.)
at his request visited the Agency and was briefed by Mr. Maury on Agency
organization and by Ion the Watch Office and byl 25X1
on the Signal Center. He seemed genuinely and favorably impressed
with what he heard and saw and would like to come back again probably with
some fellow members to receive a substantive briefing on Communist China
and North Vietnamese intent toward Southeast Asia. The Green Beret case
came up and was briefly explained by Mr. Maury.
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10. Bill Woodruff, on the Senate
Appropriations Committee staff, called and said that Senator Russell
wanted to schedule a CIA budget hearing this Friday afternoon or next
Monday morning before the CIA Subcommittee of Senate Appropriations
Committee. Woodruff said they would have NSA and NRO hearings
Friday morning. Since Senator Russell wants to complete all of these
in one day, he would like the Agency to be available Friday afternoon.
If the NSA and NRO hearings run into the afternoon on Friday, it would
then be necessary for the Subcommittee to hear the Director on Monday.
After obtaining the Director's approval, I advised Woodruff that either
Friday or Monday would be convenient. Woodruff pointed out that he
would not be able to let us know about the Friday afternoon session
until noon on that day.
11. Mr. Houston asked that I contact
Lieutenant Colonel R. A. Jones, in the Army's Judge Advocate Generals
office, concerning a reply which Jones is preparing for the Army to an
inquiry from Senator Vance Hartke (D. , Ind. ) on the Green Beret case.
I contacted Colonel Jones and picked up a copy of his prepared reply
which we are reviewing.
12. Mr. Michael Finley, on the staff of
Representative Dante Fascell (D. , Fla. ), called to say that a friend of
the Congressman's, Mr. had recently returned from
foreign travel and they felt he had information which might be of interest
to us. I will arrange an appointment for 25X1
14. Left with Senator Daniel K. Inouye's
(D. , Hawaii) office a recent Moscow radio broadcast referring to the
Senator.
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15. Left with Senator Mike Mansfield's
(D., Mont.) office a number of FBIS clips containing portions of a
speech by Sihanouk referring to the Senator's recent visit with him.
16. In the absence of James Gehrig, I briefed
William Parker, on t h e Senate Space Committee staff, on the recent
Soviet lunar attempt which failed.
17. Met with Mr. George Murphy, on the staff
of the Joint Committee on Atomic Enerav. and reviewed with him some
of the information which we have on th I also
talked further with Murphy about I Icase. It is obvious that
Murphy has very good sources of information on this case.
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Senator Stuart Symington . , Mo. , asked if I could stop by tomorrow to
discuss further correspondence they have received from Mr.
who has complained about the Agency's employment procedures.
19. Miss Mary Matthews, Legislative
Assistant to Representative George Bush (R. , Texas), called to ask if a
knowledgeable Agency representative could meet tomorrow with the father
of the wife o11
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his jurisdiction and that any information we might have would be in State's
She said that Mr. Bush had met with the Director25x1
on this subject in the past. After determining from hat we had 25X1
no current or complete information on this, I suggested to Miss Matthews
that she call Assistant Secretary Meyer's office since the problem was within
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Charles Robert O'Regan, on the staff
of Representative Dante Fascell (D. , Fla. ), called and asked if we
would bring him up-to-date on the situation concerning thel STATOTHR
I told him someone would be by to see him
3. Advised Mr. Ash Macrae, on the staff
Senator Charles Percy (R. , Ill. ), that it did not appear that we would
have any kind of position which would be of interest tol
about whom he had contacted us.
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1. Met with Mr. Robert Michaels, House Appro-
priations Committee staff, and discussed with him Senator John Cooper's
(R., Ky.) and Senator Stuart Symington's (D., Mo.) remarks of last week
concerning U.S. operations in Laos and other FE countries. (See Memo-
randum for the Record.)
I briefed Mr. Michaels on the following items:
a. the Kosygin and Chou En-lai meeting;
b. Soviet military buildup on the ChiCom border;
c. Soviet intelligence collection in the Far East;
d. Soviet SS-11 launchers;
e. Soviet FOBs;
f. Soviet-ChiCom propaganda;
g. ChiCom native designed fighter aircraft production.
Discussed with Mr. Blandford the statements reported in the press
by Senator John Cooper (R., Ky.) and Senator Stuart Symington (D., Mo.)
concerning U. S. activities in Laos and the Far East. The hearings scheduled
by Symington will begin on 14 October. (See Memorandum for the Record.)
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3. Met with Mr. Charles Ducander, Chief
Counsel, House Science and Astronautics Committee, and briefed him on
my meeting of Friday, 19 September, with Chairman Miller. Mr. Ducander
was pleased at the outcome which he had predicted and advised that in his
opinion the Agency would not find Chairman Miller's request burdensome.
(See Journal item No. 7 for 19 September.)
4. Talked to Mr. Clifford Gaucher,
in the office of Representative Philip Philbin (D., Mass.), concerning the
employment application of bout whom Representative
Philbin had inquired. I told Mr. Gaucher that we expect to have a final answer
during the week and that I will be in touch with him as soon as determination
is made in the case. He thanked me for the call.
no further. The Senator also brought up the subject of the Green Beret case.
(See Memo for the Record for details. )
6. I uIn response to his telephone inquiry requesting
information on a variety of subjects including the extent of CIA involvement in
the Bay of Pigs invasion and funding of CIA activities, I provided Lee MacGregor,
on the staff of Senator Robert P. Griffin (R. , Mich. ), a copy of the Agency
pamphlet and the US News and World Report interview with Admiral Raborn.
I pointed out to MacGregor that the Agency does not comment publicly on the
matters he had mentioned but I hoped the material I had given him would be
useful in handling the inquiry which Senator Griffin had received. MacGregor
indicated this would be quite satisfactory.
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Monday - 22 September 1969
7. Lunched with Representative G. William
Whitehurst (R. , Va. ), of the House Armed Services Committee, to whom
I explained in confidence the facts regarding the Green Beret case as we
understood them. Mr. Whitehurst gave me his impression of some of the
personalities and problems of the Committee, and particularly of the loss
of leadership which the Republican members feel as a result of the death
of Representative William Bates.
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Acting Chief FE Division,
and I went to a White House meeting in the office of Ken BeLieu, Deputy
Assistant to the President for Congressional Relations, where Ambassador
McClintock, Assistant Secretary of Defense Nutter and representatives of
Dr. Ehrlichman and Dr. Kissinger discussed the problems which the
Symington Subcommittee investigation of U. S. overseas involvements poses
for the Executive Branch. See Memo for Record for details.
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1, Miss Gertrude Cleary, in the office of
Senator Eugene McCarthy (D. , Minn.) called to ask if we had material on
current Agency activities which would be a help to a student in a debate.
I said we would forward a pamphlet on the Agency as well as a copy of the
Raborn interview in U. S. News and World Report, which was done.
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drawal letter concerning the cost of the recent pay increase.
6. Met with Mr. Ralph Marshall, House
Armed Services Committee staff, and reviewed with him the unclassified
blind memorandum furnished for Representative Richard Ichord (D., Mo. )
concerning the Soviet air warning and control system (AWAC).
Mr. Marshall said that the paper appeared to contain sufficient information
for Representative Ichord's purposes.
7. Met with Representative George P. Miller
(D., Calif.), Chairman, House Science and Astronautics Committee,
concerning Committee needs for information on the Soviet space program.
In compliance with Representative Miller's request to be kept up-to-date
on intelligence information about the Soviet space program, a meeting has
been scheduled for next Friday, 26 September, at 10:30 a. m.
Briefed Representative Miller on the anticipated Soviet lunar
space events.
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9. Received a call from Stuart French,
Assistant to Warren Nutter of ISA. Mr. French mentioned that he is the
coordinator for ISA for their appearance before Senator Symington's
Foreign Relations Subcommittee. He said they had received a letter from
the Senator mentioning that CIA was being asked to appear to testify on
"CIA support of guerrilla activities in Laos. " Mr. French said he would
like to use me as a point of contact with the Agency on these hearings at
least for the time being.
11. Hand carried to Bill Woodruff, on the staff of
the Senate Appropriation, ommittee, an Agency withdrawal letter covering
the cost of the recent pay increase.
12. I Hand carried to the Joint Committee on Atomic
Energy, Mr. Maury's letter to Mr. Ed Bauser responding to their request
for an Agency security review of the Committee's chronology of the H-bomb.
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13. Ed Braswell, Chief of Staff of the Senate
Armed Services Committee, called and said that Senator Stennis would like
a briefing at 2:30 p.m. this afternoon on Laos, Cambodia, and Thailand.
Mr. Braswell indicated that this was in connection with Senator Cooper's
amendment having to do with this area.
I mentioned to Mr. Braswell the request which we have
received from Senator Symington to. have an Agency officer appear before
the Senator's Foreign Relations Subcommittee to testify on activities in
Laos. We then discussed some of the problems involved in such an
appearance.
14. and I 25X1
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committee on U. S. Agreements and Commitments Abroad. See Memos
for the Record for details.
I conveyed to Mr. Paul orally our response to his earlier query
to regarding the number of Chinese and North Vietnamese deaths
during the communization of these two countries.
I reminded Messrs. Pincus and Paul that we were prepared to
respond orally, through a briefing by to Senator Symington's 25X1
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Mr. Pincus said it would be sometime- -probably a matter of months rather
than weeks--before they would be ready to go into this.
15. Accompanied Acting Chief, 25X1
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Staff, on the subject of Agency involvement 25X1
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Staff Director of the National Security and International Operations Subcommittee
of Senate Government Operations Committee, some material which Senator
Henry M. Jackson asked her to pass on to the Agency for review and comment.
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1. Called Miss Elizabeth McNally,
in the office of Representative William D. Hathaway (D., Maine), and
confirmed the Congressman's visit to Headquarters on the 24th of
September from about 8-9:30 a. m. In response to my earlier inquiry
she said he would be interested in a briefing on Red China, North Vietnam,
and/or Russia. I told her it might be difficult to work in all of these
subjects and a look at some of our facilities in the time allotted, but that
we would work something out.
2. I Called Miss Obrokta, in the office
of Senator George Murphy (R. , Calif. , on a constituent letter they had
sent to us about employment possibilities with Air America. We are
returning the letter to Miss Obrokta and she will either forward it to the
Air America office in Washington or supply the information to
so that he can write directly.
3. Robert Hull, in the Department of
State, called and said they are tentatively scheduled to testify on 24 September
before Representative Hay's Subcommittee on a bill to add the provisions of
the Daniels bill (H. R. 9825) to the Foreign Service retirement system.
Apparently this early and possibly premature date for the hearing would
permit Mr. Rimestad to testify before he is succeeded as Deputy Under
Secretary of State by Mr. Macomber.
In response to his request, I told Mr. Hull that we would be moving
as soon as the McGee bill (S. 2754) moved in the Senate.
Hull feels that eventually there will be a tug of war between BOB and
CSC on whether the McGee/Daniels bill should be approved by the President.
In connection with the recent story of a new early retirement plan being
considered by the White House, Hull said that CSC knew nothing of it and,
although he agreed that there were certain similarities between the reported
new plan and proposals worked up by Foreign Service last year, he said that
as far as he knew no such plan had been proposed by the Department this year.
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4. Jay Sourwine, on the staff of the Senate
Internal Security Subcommittee, called and referred to testimony which
he said was given years ago before the Subcommittee by General Walter
B. Smith and other Agency representatives regarding
Mr. Sourwine inferred that the Agency
has testimony which was given at that time. He said he didn't want people
to get overly excited but wondered what the chances were of vetting this
testimony for possible publication. I told him I would look into this and
be in touch with him.
5. General Counsel of NSA, who
had requested advice in preparation for his meeting this afternoon with Messrs.
Pincus and Paul, staff investigators of the Symington Subcommittee on U. S.
Agreements and Commitments Abroad. I suggested to that he try to 25X1
elicit from Pincus and Paul as much information as possible about the kinds
of questions NSA would probably be asked when they appear before the Sub-
committee the end of this month. I said it had been our experience that once
having gotten the best possible reading on the questions, it was desirable to
prepare carefully written statements responsive thereto. I tol hat 25X1
if in the preparation of these statements it was necessary to deal with such
matters as the Director's responsibilities in the intelligence community, his
authority regarding relations with foreign intelligence services, etc. , we would
be glad to consult with on what should be said. I lagreed to follow 25X1
this procedure.
Later in the day, eported that during his meeting with
Senator Symington and Messrs. Pincus and Paul, the Senator agreed that NSA
could maintain control of the transcript of their upcoming hearing, that the
hearing room would be swept, and that all security precautions would be
observed. In response to question, Symington said that it would not
be necessary to go into sensitive operational details, but when Pincus and Paul
registered objections, Symington said that in dealing with operational details
they could "go off the record. " According to Onothing was said that 25X1
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statement which will be made available to Pincus and Paul prior to the formal
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7. This afternoon, Mr. and I met with
William Woodruff, Assistant Chief Clerk, Senate Appropriations Committee,
with whom we discussed the problem of the appearance of an Agency officer
before Senator Symington's Subcommittee of Senate Foreign Relations.
(See Memo for the Record for details. )
a. Recent developments on the Soviet SS-X-6.
b. Sino/Soviet relations.
c. Military situation on the Sin.o/Soviet border.
d. Recent developments in Soviet ICBM deployment.
e. New ChiCom aircraft.
f. New Soviet bomber.
In discussing the Cooper amendment (restricting the use of U. S.
forces in supporting the combat operations of foreign military forces) Woodruff
said that the language of the amendment was so ambiguous as to be almost
meaningless, and that in any event he was sure the amendment would be
knocked out when the Defense procurement bill reaches, the House.
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1. Left with Mr. Larry Conrad, on the
staff of Senator Birch Bayh's (D., Ind.) Subcommittee on Constitutional
Amendments, a new paper containing a revision of Senator Ervin's
proposed amendments to S. 782. This new paper includes explanations
of our revisions.
I talked with Murphy about our proposed response to
Ed Bauser's letter for a security review on the Committee's document
having to do with the chronology of the development of the H bomb.
Murphy felt that an answer along the lines which we proposed would be
satisfactory.
3. I delivered to Mrs. Innis McDonald,
secretary to Mr. Ralph Marshall, House Armed Services Committee
staff, an unclassified blind memorandum dated 15 September 1969 entitled
"Soviet Airborne and Control Aircraft (AWAC). " This paper was provided
in response to a request by Mr. Marshall for Representative Richard
Ichord (D., Mo.) after the Director's briefing of the House Armed Services
Committee on 29 July.
4. I met with Mrs. Mary McLaughlin, Senate
Foreign Relations Committee staff, concerning the transcripts of Agency
briefings that are held by the Committee. These transcripts are being
collected from the various Committee offices for transmittal to the
Agency for safekeeping. Mrs. McLaughlin will call me when they have
been collected.
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5. ? I I' Met with Rick Merrill, staff member 25X1
of the House Democratic Study Group, on his 12 September inquiry on possible
duplication of functions between the Agency and those of the Defense Research
Division and the Areo Space Technology Division of the Library of Congress.
Merrill seemed to appreciate that we could not be of any help because (1) of
the classified nature of our activities, and (2) his questions as to the functions
of these two divisions were more properly for the Department of Defense to
answer. Merrill said that he had pursued this as far as he could and had
referred it to an aide of Representative William Moorhead (D., Pa.) in hopes
that Moorhead would be sufficiently interested to investigate. (Merrill felt
it was not proper for the Library of Congress to host an activity funded by the
Department of Defense, presumably DIA, and producing classified material
not available to either committees or members of Congress.) Merrill appeared
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7. As a followup to the suggestion by
Mr. Charles Ducander, Executive Director and Chief Counsel, House
Science and Astronautics Committee, I have scheduled an appointment for
9:30 a. m. on Friday, 19 September, to meet with Chairman Miller concern-
ing existing procedures for briefing him about Soviet space activities.
(See Journal item No. 8 for Monday, 15 September.)
8. I met with Mr. John R. Blandford, Chief
Counsel, House Armed Services Committee, and briefed him on Soviet
FOBS testing.
9. Returned to Angela Jakobowski, in
STATOTHR the office of Representative John V. Tunney (D. , Calif.), their request
about employment possibilities for She had not yet
determined whether is interested in intelligence and accepted the
STATOTHR case back willingly. (She said DIA had sent them a "report" on 25X1
10. Dropped by the office of Representa-
tive William D. Hathaway (D., Maine) in connection with his scheduled
visit to Headquarters the morning of 24 September, but both the Congress-
man and his secretary, Miss McNally, were out. I left a message that I
would check back to confirm the arrangements for the 24th.
from constituents in the future z=>~~ ~~ Ti TP been sent-
11. Delivered to Dorothy Herbert, in
the office of Senator Charles McC. Mathias (R., Md.), a suggested reply
to a constituent's inquiry concerning the Agency's "mercenary soldiers"
Miss Herbert said that she did not know whether the Agency would comment
on speculation concerning its activities. I explained our "no comment"
policy and she said she fully appreciated our position. She asked for some
extra copies of the Agency's pamphlet for use in handling similar inquiries
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1 , Met with Representative William Bray
(R. , Ind.) concerning the letter written by one of the
Netherlands Antilles, that Representative Bray had passed to Mr. Maury.
I advised Representative Bray that the FBI has prior interest in the
individual because of his apparent knowledge of criminal activities.
Representative Bray thought this was fine and that we should drop the
matter. He advised that even though the man appeared somewhat unstable
he had passed the letter on for our review in order that we might evaluate
the worth of his information. No further action is required. The original
letter furnished by Representative Bray was returned to him.
Z. I Met with Miss Nancy Leonhardt,
in the office of Representative Harold Collier (R. , Ill. ), and discussed
with her the letter received by Representative Collier from
Miss Leonhardt advised that an acknowledgement of the
receipt of the letter had been sent out and that in all probability no further
response would be made unlessi hould write again. In
that event their office would contact the Department of Army for any light
they can shed on the allegations of I that she has been
accused of being a spy as a result of a visit to East Berlin in 1966.
Miss Leonhardt thanked me for coming by and advised that no written
response is necessary to letter.
3. Met with Mr. John R. Blandford, Chief
Counsel, House Armed Services Committee, after the completion of the
Director's briefing of the CIA Subcommittee. Mr. Blandford advised that
the meeting had been a satisfactory one and noted that a followup meeting
will be required to get into the many other questions to update the world-
wide intelligence picture. Mr. Blandford further advised that it may be
some time before the full Committee will schedule another meeting of the
Subcommittee.
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4. Accompanied the Director who briefed the
CIA Subcommittee of the House Armed Services Committee on the Green Beret
case and recent items of intelligence significance. See Memo for the Record
for details.
5. Discussed with I I General Counsel of 25X1
NSA, problems of their appearance before the Symington Subcommittee of
Senate Foreign Relations re U. S. involvements abroad. I Isaid he has 25X1
discussed the problem with DOD Congressional Liaison, General Counsel
and ISA representatives, none of whom are inclined to raise the problem of
the Subcommittee's jurisdiction over military and intelligence matters.
said he plans to see Subcommittee Investigators,, Pincus and
Paul, on Thursday, 18 September and try to ensure that no sensitive COMINT
material will be provided in documentary form, that NSA will maintain custody
of the transcript of the hearing, and that no public releases will be made.
indicated that Admiral may shortly be seeing Senator Symington
on these and other questions. I Istill hopes for Agency guidance before 25X1
testifying before the Subcommittee on 29 September.
7. Mr. Roland Paul, on Senator Symington's
Subcommittee on U. S. Agreements and Commitments Abroad, called and
posed four questions which he would like to have answered by next week.
(See Memo for the Record for details.) The questions have been passed on
to the DDI.
8. Talked to Mrs. Jeannette Markell, Personal
Secretary to Senator Charles McC. Mathias (R., Md.), and she made an
appointment for me to see the Senator next Monday concerning a Manchester
Guardian article which he had forwarded to us.
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Attorney, House Interstate and Foreign Commerce Committee, con-
cerning the Committee's investigation in connection with the production
of a CBS network news program. (See Memorandum for the Record.)
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1. Q, on the Medical Staff, called 25X1
and reviewed with me his feelings about the case of Mrs.
On the basis of this conversation I went back to Representative James
Hanley (D. , N. Y.) and suggested that he try to convincel to 25X1
file for disability retirement when he sees her in Syracuse this coming
weekend.
2. ) Don Henderson, on the staff of the
Senate Foreign Relations Committee, called and asked if we could give
him a reference in the Congressional Record to complimentary remarks
made by Senator Fulbright about Mr. Helms during the course of the
ABM debate. I referred Mr. Henderson to statements made by Senators
Fulbright and Symington on the floor of the Senate on 10 July 1969.
(Page 57880. )
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6. Met with Mr. John R.. Blandford, Chief
Counsel, House Armed Services Committee, and reviewed with him
the arrangements for tomorrow's meeting of the CIA Subcommittee.
Mr. Blandford advised that in his estimate a major portion of the time
will be consumed in discussion of the Green Beret matter. He advised
that we might anticipate rather pointed questioning concerning the coup
in Libya and the anticipated course of events in that country. He noted
that some members are becoming increasingly pointed in their remarks
and criticism of intelligence and in particular of the Defense Intelligence
Agency.
7. Mr. Dave Brandwein, FMSAC, advised
that he had received a call from a staff member of the National Aero-
nautics and Space Council who indicated that Chairman Miller of the House
Science and Astronautics Committee had evidenced some concern that the
departure of Mr. Roman M:rozinski from the Council could result in
changes in transmission of information to the Committee on Soviet space
matters. Mr. Brandwein advised that both the Senate and House com-
mittees are in direct contact with the Agency's Office of Legislative
Counsel and that any transmission of information from the Agency would
be direct to these committees.
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8. Met with Mr. Charles Ducander,
Executive Director and Chief Counsel, House Committee on Science
and Astronautics, and reviewed with him briefly existing arrangements
for keeping the Chairman and designated staff personnel up-to-date on
appropriate Soviet space matters. Mr. Ducander advised that the
procedures used in the past appear to be quite satisfactory and noted that
the call to the Agency earlier in the day from the National Aeronautics
and Space Council could well have resulted from conversations with
Chairman Miller who was somewhat fond of M:r. Mrozinski. He suggested
that later in the week after the visit of the astronauts it would be well to
stop by and see the Chairman for a few moments.
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1. Accompanied I I OSI, to brief
Representative Richard McCarthy on Soviet CW/BW. See Memo for Record
for details. Mr. McCarthy was most appreciative and spoke especially
highly of the Agency approach to these problems.
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General Counsel of NSA,
called to say he and some of his colleagues will definitely be called to
testify before the Symington Subcommittee of Senate Foreign Relations
Committee on NSA's overseas activities, beginning the end of this month.
is concerned that he might be questioned on what U.S.. avencies
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and he would like our guidance on how NSA witnesses should respond if queried
on this point. I told him I would be back in touch with him shortly.
3. George Murphy, on the staff of the
Joint Committee on Atomic Energy, called on several items. He asked
if we could locate a copy of the article written by Marshal Krylov on
Soviet missile forces which was referred to in Beecher's column in the
New York Times this morning.
Mr. Murphy said that,while he would prefer to defer any
briefing of the Joint Committee by the Director until after the first of the
year, ad mentioned the possibility of their asking for a
briefing sometime soon. There is nothing definite on this but Murphy
wanted to let me know that this was being discussed.
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4. Met with Mrs. Oneta Stockstill, Executive
Secretary, House Armed Services Committee, who advised that the
Chairman has scheduled a meeting of the CIA Subcommittee for Tuesday,
16 September, at 10:00 a. m. The meeting was confirmed later in the
day to Mr. Blandford.
5. Met with Mr. John R. Blandford, Chief
Counsel, House rme Services Committee, and reviewed with him a
draft agenda of points of interest to the Committee for the DCI briefing
scheduled for Tuesday, 16 September. (See Memorandum for the Record.)
6. Discussed briefly with Mr. John H.
Martiny, Counsel, House Post Office and Civil Service Committee, the
scheduled hearings of the Committee on position classification chaired by
Representative James M. Hanley (D., N. Y.) and received a copy of the
prepared statement of John F. Griner, President, American Federation
of Government Employees, on H. R. 13008. Mr. James D. Hill, General
Counsel, Air Traffic Control Association, did not have a prepared
statement. STATOTHR
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8. Rick Merrill, staff member of the
Democratic Study Group, called to determine the extent of duplication
between the Agency's "estimating" efforts and those of the Defense Research
Division and Areo Space Technology Division of the Library of Congress.
When I explained that it would be totally inappropriate for us to comment on
or evaluate the efforts of a congressional agency, Merrill said that these
divisions were not under the command and control of the Library of Congress
and were fully funded and only responsible to DOD components. I discouraged
Merrill's expectations that we could be of any help to him whatsoever, which
he seemed to appreciate, but said I would check and be back in touch.
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2. Russ Blandford, Chief Counsel, House
STATOTHR Armed Services Committee, called regarding the application of
whom Blandford had strongly recommended for employment. Blandford
said he knew all about how we give "thoughtful consideration" to such cases
but this time he wasn't kidding about it and he wanted "thoughtful immediate
action. " He said he hadn't asked the Agency for many such favors but he
wanted results this time particularly in view of the fact thatOhad
excellent qualifications including past Agency service. I told Blandford STATOTHR
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3, Larry Conrad, Constitutional Rights Sub-
committee of Senate Judiciary Committee staff, called regarding our proposed
changes in Senator Ervin's suggested draft revision of S. 782. Conrad said
that Senator Ervin and other staff members were confused as to the intent and
significance of some of our proposed changes in the Senator's language and
would like a clarifying statement from us explaining whether our proposals
involved substantive matters or were merely changes of form. If they were
intended to change the substance of Ervin's language, they would like an
explanation. I told Conrad we would respond shortly.
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6. At his request, I dropped by the office of
Garner J. Cline, Counsel for the House Immigration Subcommittee. Mr.
Cline wished to pass on some of his observations on his recent trip to STATOTHR
Poland and Czechoslovakia. (See Memo for the Record for details. )
8. Returned the call of Miss Elizabeth
McNally, in the office of Representative William D. Hathaway (D. , Me.),
concerning the Congressman's interest in visiting the Agency sometime on
his way to work. Miss McNally does not know what sparked the Congress-
man's interest. We tentatively set the date and time of the visit for
24 September 1969 from 8-9:30 a. m. and I said I would confirm this later.
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Harold Hughes (D., Iowa), called on behalf of I
who is interested in employment with the Agency as a geographer. An
appointment was scheduled for 12 September at 11:00 a. m. with
Mr. , Personnel.
10. Met with Representative Charles
Bennett (D., Fla.) and delivered to him the Agency response concerning
the retirement of Mr. Representative Bennett commented
in general that it is hard for an individual likel o find anything
at age 60 and that he would guess that Mr. Q
"is bored not doing any-
" Representative Bennett thanked me for coming by.
11. et with Mr. John J. Ford, House Armed
Services professional staff, and reviewed with him the updating of security
clearances. Appropriate documentation was completed.
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representative of I
requesting whether any further progress had been made
toward the contemplated visit of Agency representatives to review the
Agency technical representatives.
facilities and ca abilities of the F_ 1. I advised
that the Agency is still interested. I clarified with him
that such a visit would only involve review of the company's capabilities
and did not involve definition of any possible utilization of the facilities
and services by the Agency. Mr. greed and noted that the
company is most interested in review of their activities by appropriate
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1. Met with Colonel James Brower, in the office
of the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Legislation, and received from
him copies of exchange of Department of Defense correspondence concerning
chemical-biological warfare agents (see Memorandum for the Record).
2. Met with Mrs. Oneta Stockstill, House Armed
Services Committee staff, and reviewed with her the updating of security
clearances on herself and other members of the Committee staff.
Appropriate documentation on Mrs. Stockstill was completed. Mrs. Stockstill
advised that in keeping with the present positions similar clearance updating
should be provided for Doris Scott and Louise Ellis. Office of Security has
been advised.
3. 1 In response to his request of yesterday,
provided to Mr. Jay Sourwine, Chief Counsel, Senate Internal Security
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queries from Senator Symington's Subcommittee of Senate Foreign Relations
Committee, asking a number of probing questions about U. S. contingency
plans involving foreign countries, etc. According to Mr.I General
James F. Lawrence Deputy Assistant to the Secretary for Legislative Affairs
(in the absence of Assistant Secretary Stempler) has referred these sticky
problems to Warren Nutter, Assistant Secretary ISA, and his Special Assistant,
Stuart French. Mr. II feels that these queries levied on the DOD,
together with those levied on NSA (see Journal of 9 September) pose serious 25X1
security and jurisdictional problems and may warrant the attention of the
DCI so far as the intelligence community is concerned. Mr. romised
to keep me informed of any more specific information on the subject he
can pick up. I told Mr. 0 that the Director was seeing Senator Symington
today and if anything of direct concern to NSA emerged from this conversation,
I would let him know.
6. In a brief conversation with Miss Dorothy Fosdick,
Staff Director of the Senate Subcommittee on National Security and International
Operations, Bruce Clarke and I told her of recent developments regarding
SS-9 deployment and a new Soviet aircraft.
7. Accompanied Mr. Bruce Clarke who briefed
Senator John Sherman Cooper and his Administrative Assistant, Bill Miller,
on the strength, deployment and state of readiness of Warsaw Pact forces
in Eastern Europe and Western USSR. The Senator had requested the
briefing in connection with a report he is preparing for the NATO Parlia-
mentarians.
8. Called Mr. Daniel Costello, on the staff
of Representative James Hanley (D. , N. Y. ), and advised him as to the
religious preference of the former contract employee in whose case the STATOTHR
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of the Senate Armed Services Committee, a Moscow Tass commentary
on Senator Stennis' management of the military procurement bill now pending
in the Senate.
Mr. Braswell mentioned that Senator Symington had talked with
him recently about the Green Beret case. The Senator expressed a view
that the Agency was getting a bad name in connection with this case and he
thought the Director should be asked to brief the CIA Subcommittees on this
case so they might be of some assistance to us. I advised Braswell of the
Director's briefing of the Senate Appropriations CIA Subcommittee and told
him that the Director was seeing Senator Symington today and this would
undoubtedly come up during the course of conversation.
I also briefed Mr. Braswell on the status of our negotiations on
S. 782. I queried Braswell on the Daniels bill. Braswell said he was quite
certain that the bill would pass the Senate in some form but he feels sure
that the income tax provision will be deleted from the bill on a point of order.
13. Met briefly with Bill Woodruff, on the staff of the
Senate Appropriations Committee, and advised him of my conversation with
Ed Braswell regarding the Director's appearance before the Senate Appropri-
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1. Met with Representative John E. Hunt
(R. , N. J.) as a followup to the Director's briefing of the House
Armed Services Committee on 29 July in response to the Congress-
man's question concerning reports of a Russian trained warlord in
the Sinkiang Province, China. The information provided was from a
blind memorandum of 7 August prepared by the Office of DDI. Repre-
sentative Hunt was most appreciative and advised that the information
was exactly what he desired. The memorandum has been included in the
transcript of the Director's briefing.
2. Met with the following members of the House
Armed Services Committee staff and briefed them on updating of security
clearances: Messrs. Ralph Marshall, Earl Morgan, and Richard Ransom.
Appropriate documentation was completed for each individual.
3. Met with Mr. Ralph Marshall, House
Armed Services Committee staff, who advised that at the Director's
briefing of the Committee on 29 July he had requested as a followup to
questioning by Representative Richard Ichord (D., Mo.) such unclassified
material as might be available concerning the Soviet air warning and
control system. I advised Mr. Marshall that I would follow up and be
back in touch with him.
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5. Winston Bryant, Legislative Assistant to
Senator John L. McClellan (D. , Ark. ), called and asked about the status of
the amendments to S. 782 which Senator Ervin had suggested. I advised
Bryant that we had worked on these amendments and that they were now in
a form which would be acceptable both to NSA and ourselves. I also indicated
that we had been in touch with the FBI on these and that the Bureau was holding
to its position of requesting a complete exemption from the bill. I explained
to Bryant that while we felt a full exemption was a clearer and better approach
we could live with the amendments as we had resubmitted them to Larry Conrad.
Bryant said that Senator McClellan wanted to help Senator Ervin get the bill out
but only if full exemption were granted the FBI, NSA, and ourselves.
Murphy took this opportunity tol and asked
if I would check to see if there was any further information on the extent of
information that had been compromised. I told Murphy I would look into it.
7. et with Homer Lee Krout, Administrative
Assistant to Representative Joel T. Broyhill (R. , Va. ), to discuss the case
of F- I I briefed Krout on the background of this case
and advised him as to the action the Agency proposed to take. Krout has no
problem with this whatsoever and I told him that we would be responding
formally to Mr. Broyhill's letter in the next few days. (See Memo for the
Record for details. )
8. Returned the call of Mrs. Dorothy Brown,
in the office of Senator Jennings Randolph (D. , W. Va. ), and, based upon the
advice of the Office of Personnel, told her that we had no record of employment
on a about 46 or 47 years of age. Mrs. Brown contacted
us apparently as a last straw after failing to obtain usable information from
any other agency and wanted to exert every effort on behalf of subjects family
which is faced with a personal problem.
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9. Explained to Larry Conrad, of the staff of
the Constitutional Rights Subcommittee of the Senate Judiciary Committee,
that we were sending over our final suggestions for a compromise solution
to the Ervin bill (S. 782) which were based on the earlier proposals of Senator
Ervin. I also explained to Conrad that we had been in touch with the FBI,
but they were pushing for a complete exemption and wanted no part of any
compromise formula.
10. General Counsel of NSA,
came by to leave with us copies of two recent letters from Senator Symington
to Admiral Gayler asking a number of probing questions about NSA's overseas
activities. i reels this raises serious problems for both NSA and the
community genera Y.
11. With the Director's approval and following
a consultation with the DDP, I met with Senator J. W. Fulbright in response
to his inquiry concerning alleged Agency activities See Memo for 25X1
the Record.)
During a leisurely discussion the Senator spoke highly of the Agency
and the Director and asked to be advised if we encountered any political
difficulties as a result of maintaining our objectivity and independence on
certain controversial questions of the day. He said he was ready to support
us if we should ever need him.
I took advantage of the occasion to brief the Senator and, at his
request, Carl Marcy, on the staff of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee,
on the Green Beret case.
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Sherman Cooper Ky.), called to say that Senator Cooper would like a
briefing on the status of Warsaw Pact Forces in connection with the Senator's
report to the NATO Parliamentarians now in process. Mr. Miller said the
briefing could be on a secret level and the Senator's final draft would be
cleared with the Pentagon to ensure that it contained only unclassified
material. Mr. Miller tentatively scheduled the briefing for Wednesday
afternoon, 10 September. After checking with the DDI, I told Mr. Miller
that Mr. Bruce Clarke would be available.
3. In response to his persistent requests, I
called Roland Paul, on the staff of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee
ad hoc Subcommittee on U. S. Agreements and Commitments, to explain that
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explaining that Senator Symington simply wanted to get the personalities
straight before discussing with the Director at their upcoming luncheon the
question of Agency officers testifying at hearings of the Symington Subcommittee
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4. 1 1 General Counsel of NSA,
called to say NSA had received a request from Senator Symington to provide
witnesses before his Subcommittee of the Foreign Relations Committee to
will send us copies of Symington's request.
testify regarding
6. Called Mrs. Bull, Secretary to Representative
L. Mendel Rivers, and asked her to pass the word to Mr. Rivers that we
stand ready to brief him on the Green Beret case at his convenience.
Accompanied Mr. I from the
Office of Security, to the Senate Appropriations Committee where he changed
the combinations on three safes. This was done in response to a request
from Bill Woodruff.
I hand carried to Mr. Woodruff the second letter on withdrawals
from reserves for the Radios.
8. Hand carried a sealed envelope from
the Director to Senator Howard H. Baker (R., Tenn. ).
9. Met with Representative James Hanley (D., N. Y. )
to discuss the case is a former contract
employee on whose behalf Hanley had made an inquiry
(See Memo for the Record for details. )
10. I met with Mr. John H. Sullivan, House Foreign
Affairs Committee staff, and separately with Mrs. Berniece Kalinowski,
House Armed Services Committee staff, and briefed them on updating of
security clearances. Appropriate documentation was completed for each
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11. In the absence of Larry Conrad, I met
with Jay Berman in his office and left with him the revised amendments
to S. 782. I advised Mr. Berman that we had discussed these amendments
with NSA, who was in agreement with them, and with the FBI. I added
that the FBI informed us they wished to pursue a full exemption for the
Bureau and, therefore, they were not mentioned in these amendments.
Mr. Berman and I discussed this a bit and agreed that, if a full exemption
were to be given for one agency, it would seem desirable to treat the other
security agencies, i. e. , CIA and NSA, the same way.
12. Met with Mr. Robert Michaels, House
Appropriations Committee staff, and delivered to him for the Chairman
a letter concerning withdrawal from the reserve for certain Radio facilities.
Also discussed briefly with Mr. Michaels the transferring of full responsi-
bility for handling necessary funds for SWITCHBACK to the Department of
Defense. Mr. Michaels advised that the Chairman had written the Depart-
ment on the subject, but that he has not received any information on
Department determinations.
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1. Richard Kimmel, on the staff
of the Joint Committee on Atomic Energy, called and asked if we
could help him in locating information on German work on heavy
waters at the Peenemunde R and D center in the early 1940's. He
is also interested in learning when we knew that the Soviets were
obtaining uranian ore from Czechoslovakia.
2. ( Al Tarobochia, on the staff of the
Senate Internal Security Subcommittee, called and expressed interest
in
3. Called Representative Richard
McCarthy in response to his 13 August letter to the Director requesting
information on Soviet BW/CW, preferably unclassified. I told Mr.
McCarthy I had awaited his return to town to respond because I wanted
to discuss the matter with him orally rather than in writing. I added
that we had no useful non-classified information on the subject but
would be glad to brief him orally. He seemed disappointed that the
matter would have to be handled on a classified basis, but accepted the
offer saying he was particularly interested in BW. He mentioned having
recently received a Top Secret document on the subject from the Pentagon
A date was set for 2:00 on Friday, 12 September, an OSI,
will conduct the briefing.
4. Met with Mr. Robert Michaels, House
Appropriations ommi ee staff, and briefed him on a number of
intelligence items of interest to the Chairman (see Memorandum for
the Record). Mr. Michaels noted in passing that he is unable to guess
when the Chairman might be interested in meeting with the Director. I
made no comment on scheduling of the briefing by the Director.
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5. Spoke with Mrs. Trudy Wright, in the
office of Representative Lloyd Meeds (D. , Wash.), and answered her
questions concerning the Agency's training program, possible interest
in students participating in cooperative education programs, and effect
of employment on draft status. She will be forwarding a copy of the
Agency's professional brochure sent to her to a personal friend of the
Congressman's who is making these inquiries on behalf of his son.
and James Shumate.
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Services Committee staff, who advised that the Chairman has responded
to Mr. Kirkpatrick's letter concerning the NBC presentation on the
Pueblo. He did not provide further details.
I reviewed with Mr. Slatinshek security clearances of various staff
members which are being updated in keeping with the Chairman's policy
that all senior staff personnel sit in on hearings of the full committee.
The following members of the House Armed Services Committee staff
were briefed during the day and appropriate security clearance documen-
tation completed: Messrs. William Cook, George Norris, William Short,
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Senate Security Subcommittee, called and asked if we could
identify the individual referred to as in a Moscow broadcast 25X1
STATSPEC to Laos on 19 August as it appeared in STATSPEC
I told him I would be glad to check on this.
Mr. Sourwine also asked if we had any information as to
whether the alleged war plans which were sent to a German publication
were the product of a paper mill or whether they were, in fact, from
official sources. I said I would look into this.
2. Called Roland Paul, Senate Foreign
Relations ommt ee ad hoc u committee on U. S. Agreements and
Commitments Abroad staff, regarding his request for the names of Agency
officers who might be called in from abroad to testify before the Subcom-
mittee. I said I had raised the matter with the Director and because of
certain problems involved the Director would prefer to discuss it with
Senator Symington personally. Mr. Paul said he would mention this to
Senator Symington, but nevertheless would like me to provide the names
requested so that he could move quickly once approval was given. I
demurred explaining that we had better resolve the policy matter before
we proceed with specifics.
3. Robert Michaels, Staff Assistant, House
Appropriations Committee, called and requested a copy of the script of
the NB C television program on the Pueblo. I said I would send him a copy.
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4. Talked to Bill Woodruff, Assistant Chief Clerk,
Senate Appropriations Committee, to see if he had any information on when
the Director might brief the CIA Subcommittees. Mr. Woodruff said he would
be meeting with Senator Russell at 5:30 this evening and would try to clarify
the matter then.
Soviet radar construction;
(Tallinn) system is designed for use against aircraft.
a.
b.
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d.
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Y-class submarine construction;
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On the latter item, Woodruff expressed skepticism, saying that it just doesn't
make sense for the Soviets to spend so much on an anti-aircraft system and
he still thinks the SA-5 must have an ABM mission.
I mentioned to Woodruff the apparent lack of movement in the Pentagon
regarding our continued involvement in SWITCHBACK which, as demonstrated
in the Green Beret case, is a source of some confusion regarding our relations
and responsibility vis-a-vis U. S. Special Forces in Vietnam. Woodruff
appreciated the problem and said he would pass the word to the Pentagon that
Senator Russell would like some action. Woodruff said that he would coordinate
with Bob Michaels, House Appropriations Committee staff, and suggested that
we alert Michaels to our concern.
5. Talked to Proctor Jones, in the office of
Senator Richard B. Russell, and explained our hope that the Senator would
convene the Agency Subcommittee so that we could bring them up-to-date on
recent significant intelligence developments and our role in the "Green Beret"
case. Jones explained the Senator's heavy schedule but said he was sure the
Senator would try to call a Subcommittee session as soon as feasible.
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6. Met with: Frank Slatinshek, Assistant Chief
Counsel, House Armed Services Committee, who I briefed on:
a. Soviet aircraft developments;
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7. Larry Conrad, Chief Counsel, Senate Sub-
committee on Constitutional Rights, called to request a personnel interview
for An appointment with Mr.1 _J Personnel,
was arranged for 2:30 P. M. , Friday, 5 September 1969.
8. Mr. Archibald Roosevelt, Chief Africa
Division, met with Representative Ogden Reid, recently returned from a
trip to East Africa, who summarized for Mr. Roosevelt his observations and
certain recommendations regarding U. S. policy in that area.
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staff, called me at my home this evening to ask if the Director would be
available to appear before Senator Russell and the Agency Appropriations
Subcommittee at 2:30 tomorrow. Woodruff explained that Russell was probably
limiting the attendance only to the five Appropriations Subcommittee members,
but might invite Senator Stennis to join in. After checking with the Director I
confirmed his availability.
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3. Called Roland Paul, staff of the Senate
Foreign Relations Committee ad hoc Subcommittee on U. S. Agreements
and Commitments Abroad, regarding his request for the names of our senior
officers in Laos whom he wishes to call to testify before the Subcommittee.
See Memo for the Record for details.
4. Carol Tuchmann, on the staff of Representa-
tive Ogden Reid (R. , N. Y. ), called and asked for the telephone number for
Mr. Archie Roosevelt. The Congressman subsequently called Mr. Roosevelt
from New York and made arrangements to see him in his capitol office
tomorrow concerning his recent trip to Africa.
5. I checked with Senator Henry Jackson's
(D. , Wash.) office and was informed that the Senator was not expected to
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6. Called Mrs. Slater, in the office of
Senator Charles McC. Mathias (R., Md. ), and asked for an appointment to
see the Senator regarding a constituent inquiry which he had referred to us.
The Senator's Appointments Secretary, Mrs. Markell, will arrange an
appointment and be in touch with me in a few days.
8. Met with William Woodruff, on the staff of the
Senate Appropriations Committee, and brought him up-to-date on a number of
intelligence briefing items of interest to him. Also talked to him on a number
of other items. (See Memo for the Record. )
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25X1 1. Mr. Philip Manuel, Investigator,
Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, called to advise that
the Subcommittee had now completed their report on Riots, Civil and STATSPEC
Criminal Disorders and that they would have no further need for the
FBIS Area Books they have been receiving fro
STATSPEC was advised to cancel the subscriptions. Mr. Manuel was most
L=a-nA ul for the assistance provided the Subcommittee through these
publications and assured me that none of the "official use only" material
had been incorporated in the report.
3. In response to her call, picked up from
Mrs. Angie Morris, on the staff of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee,
a classified letter from Chairman Fulbright to the Director.
4. Talked to Mrs. Trew, on the staff of
Representative John E. Hunt (R., N.J.), who advised that the Represen-
tative will not be returning to the city until tomorrow. She suggested that
I contact Mrs. Nancy Bell, Administrative Assistant to Representative Hunt,
in the morning for an appointment. This is a followup to questions
posed during the Director's appearance before the House Armed Services
Committee on 29 July 1969.
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