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Approved For Release 2006/01/30 : CIA-RDP70B00338R000300080036-8 _iit.K '~l.ILS, FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 11, 1956. Ice ,by Piesident, McNamara and Caen. Wheeler OF ELECTION: President Johnson at his news confer- said lie was not altogether unhappy with election's oiitconie. months of August of between 37,000 ,presents, therefore, t. took for the draft ionths, which is our to call in about the months of Dc- bruary and March, live a call of 12,000, tive just announced :d for the remaining tive not yet estab- _llocation by month. an Army outfit managed to defeat .and seriously damage a North Vietnamese force. Successful Operations Today,' the Operation Attleboro, In Tainan Province, near the Cambodian border northwest of Saigon, General Bill Depcw and troops of the First Infantry Division, the First Calvary Division and the 25th Infantry Division have been engaging in very successful operations against the North Vietnamese troops. add to December that the war in my judgment continues nount sufficient to in a very favorable fashion. General -ith total to about Westmoreland retains the initiative and compares with the in every operation to date, he has man- months of August, aged to defeat the enemy. I also com- and November, of merited on the very satisfactory logistic -y substantial reduc- . , build-up which we checked into during our visit to Vietnam. I believe that the Capacity logisticians, the engineers, the ordnance types, the quartermasters, and so on, just. one more qucs are perhaps the unsung heroes of this on the ballistic u?cly. l.tnguage, does this _ i4ans now have the ]own American bal- do not? particular war. I would recommend to any of you who would like to check my words to visit Cameron Bay, among other places. In brief, then, I was able to report to the. President my satisfaction from a There is absolutely military point of view as to?tlhe progress our capability of of the war. I also told him something ivic.t. defenses with that lie, of course, saw for himself -and aircraft. There during his visit to South, Vietnam, and u about that at any that is the outstanding orale, the out- 1. 15 vears and there standing dedication and determination House son}ewhat exceeded what our bet- ter people who had reports on it would indicate, although I was clear?to point out that they received the reports from the candidates themselves. The margin was some five to 10 more than the total amount that we had anticipated, as I told you in a press conference the other day and as I told you at Johnson City. A 2-Party System There are some things that -I think we ought to observe. First, as a good American, I think we are all glad to see a healthy and competent existence of the two-party system. I think there IS no question but what the other party strengthened its position. Second, I believe, as the leadership of the Republican party, President Eisenhower, Senator Dirksen and others believe, that it will not in any way change our course of action in connec-, tion with security matters. I have had rather good cooperation from the opposition party, as I have stated on a good many occasions on all matters affecting the security of this nation, and I expect to continue to have that. Third, while you regret to see some effective Congressmen-and certainly Senator Douglas, an effective Senator =leave Washington, not many Presi- dents have been President for very long with 249, 249 or 250 members of the House and 64 members of the Senate. As I said to Mi's. Johnson last night, it just looks like we will have to get by with a 248 margin, which will be some 63 margin, and in the Senate almost two to one. I. hope what we propose will be suf- ficiently meritorious to command a majority v9te. Recalls Senate Days The most effective Democratic opera- tion that I experienced in the days I served there was when we only had a one-man margin in the Senate. There were less absentees and more people there. Of course, anyone would rather have 67 on his side than 64. But I' would rather have 64 than 36. I would rather have 248 than 145. I would be less than frank if I didn't tell you that I am sorry we. lost any. Democratic seats. But r would also tell you that over a priod of years the American people have a way, I guess, of balancing things. When the pendulum swings one way, as it did in 1964 pretty strongly, it has a tendency to swing back and some- what balance it, as it did In 1936 when we had an unprecedented majority of Democrats, and in 1938 it swung back. So while we were disappointed. to see some of our friends lose, I can't think a President should be too unhappy after he had had the. results that we have had in 1963, 1964, 1965 and 1960. We have had a reasonably good time to make our recommendations and to get most of them acted upon. It may be pertinent to observe that when I became President in 1963 we had about 256 members of the House: We will probably have five, six or seven less now. We had a reasonably good pro- gram, as you will remember, in 1963 and. 1064.. . I would expect that we will have our recommendations favorably acted upon in most instances, Where they are de- serving. I would like to point out one other In our state we lost two, in Virginia we lost two, in Wisconsin we lost two. But as I have observed to you before, The Christian Science Monitor made a study of this question. Saville Davis came to my office and brought me the results of some of his studies. He carried them back to 1840. 'They showed an average of 41 per year. Some of the high years were with Presr- dent Roosevelt, when he carried every state of the union, except Maine and Vermont, in 1936. I believe he lost 86 votes in 1938. That was about the time I came into Congress. I remember that very clearly. On other occasions they have posted, 60. President Eisenhower served only- two years before he lost the Congress' entirely. As a matter of fact, a fellow working for me the other morning, after listen ing the night before, thought we had lost the Congress entirely. As a matter of fact, he thought all Democrats wero, gone. I asked him what he thought about the election, and he said, "I am sure sorry to see them take the House of Ren- resentatives and the Senate." Well, we still have 248 or 250 mem- bers. That is something to bear in mind. They may have to be a little closce knit. They may have to have fewer ab- sentees and things. But a President that can't lead with, a 250-85 would have his problems with 260 or 270. I am hopeful, that most of our legislation that we recommended has been acted upon reasonably bipartisan. I have no reason to think it won't be next year. 13. Time of Surgery Q. Mr. President, is . there anything further you can tell irc-at this time about when and where your surgery, will take. place ? , A. No. It will take place next week. So you don't have to worry, about this, week. Where, the doctors have not decided. yet. We have several doctors living in- .various places that will need to be here. Mr. Burkley is now conferring with them! and talking to them, trying to get their schedule on a date that they can agree, on, sometime, we hope, in less than the- 15- to 20-day period that we originally . thought. Just what day it will be, we don't: know. I think you can be comfortable' over the weekend here, at least through- Sunday. But we don't know whether you will be busy at a hospital in the early. part of the week right now or not. Just' as soon'as we do, we will tell you. Wei will give you ample notice. , Q. Mr. President, could you tell us something about your physical comfort now? Are you feeling well? A. Yes, I feel fine. I still have the same problems. This would just be a_ repeat. If you look at the last tran- script, we have a little huskiness in' the voice you may be able to observe and a little pulling on the side, the protrusion. It is actually a pull on the Inner wall where the incision was made.,It is like you have a little weight on your arm. In carrying it around, it pulls on you, and sometimes when you get up it bothers YOU. I have not been wearing a back rest J or the last two or three days. It is a" little more comfortable. I forgot to put" it on. If'I had known you were going to be here on this occasion this morning, I., Obuld have dressed for it. But it is more comfortable when you don't wear it. - 14. Now Programs Approved For Release 2006/01/30 : CIA-RDP70B00338R000300080036-8 against the Soviet offensive systems as Communist nuclear developments and In total, they will aid to I)c,_; n,t ?r well. We concluded that it is much too those elsewhere in the world. and January a41 amount sufficient to meat against the vmnesq P~l~l~ yapr F4Weli %2 i4i;i]b3i.0anfrI1 have not arrived at a d c sion on any units in the United States. other deployment. We will continue our discussions on this subject in the weeks io come. The Poseidon Missile Secondly, we discussed the possible production of the Poseidon missile. You may recall that this is a new missile for deployment at sea, the development of which we initiated as part of the fiscal 1967 budget as an insurance pro- gram. We estimated at the time this program was presented last, year that it would require almost $2-billion to de- velop, and several additional billions to deploy. We recommended, and I believe will present to the Congress, a proposal to produce and deploy that system. This will require a complete refitting of most of our Polaris submarines at a cost somewhat in excess of 60 per cent of the initial cost of those Polaris subs. Desirable Construction We then considered the supplement to the 1967 defense budget. As the Presi- dent reported to you last Saturday; it will be necessary to have such a sup- plement. The production of aircraft, heli- copters, ground ordnance and air ord- nance has exceeded our expectation. The -combined team of American manage- ment and American labor has actually accomplished "'miracles in the last sev- eral months. That,, plus the -necessity to consider financing, operations In Southeast Asia beyond June 30, 1967, which was the foundation of the 1967 program, will quite clearly require a supplement to the defense budget. We reviewed certain as- pects of that. Finally, we considered the basic pol- icy which we will follow as a foundation for the defense. program In fiscal 1968, and upon the President's Instructions will defer every possible element of the defense program that can be deferred without adversely affecting our secur- ity. This is in order to soften the tran- sition following the termination of hos- tilities in Southeast Asia, the transition to our peacetime economy. We will follow, therefore, the same policy in 1968 that we have to some de- gree to the present. You will remember that in 1966 we were authorized a mili- tary construction program of about.,. $1.2-billion, and have deferred for future start about $600-million of that, This represents' construction which is desirable, which we need for defense, but which is not required at the moment. We believe that considering the short- age'of construction labor and the short- age of construction materials, we are well advised to defer the start of that construction until such time as our econ- omy can both absorb it and benefit from it. We will follow. a similar policy in developing the 1968 program. 'I think this will mean that, for ex- ample, we will defer building up certain inventories of munitions and other equip- ment, equipment that we don't need at present, that we won't need next year, but which we will require at some time In the future, production of which we can use as'a means of softening the im- pact of the termination of hostilities in Southeast Asia, I will be very happy to take your questions on anything I have said today or on any other aspect of the defense program. QUESTIONS 1. Soviet Missile System Q. 11r. Secretary,. did you say"'that the Soviets were deploying an antibal- i p ? @B0?VARDM300Ai8003 s with-the Q. How long do you think it would be before you could fully deploy it? A: Any deployment of such a system would take place over several years. One point I would like to stress to you is that the length of time required to deploy such a system is less than the length of time required for the Chinese Communists to develop nuclear weapons that conceivably could threaten this na- tion. Therefore, it is not timely to at this time make a decision to deploy such a system 'to defend against the Chinese Communist threat. Q. Does Red China have a nuclear antiballistic system? A. No. The Communist Chinese, as you know, are just in the early stages of the development of nuclear weapons and, so far as we know, and I believe we do know, they have not begun to develop an antiballistic missile. system. 6. War in Vietnam Q. Does this affect the war in Viet- nam? A. No, not in the slightest degree. 7. Draft Cutbacks Q. Mr. Secretary, what effect will your announced draft cutbacks have on our manpower situation other than Viet- nam? I am thinking in terms of Europe pdrticularly. A. We will keep our European forces, and be prepared to keep them, at current levels. Early this year we announced that we were temporarily utilizing 15,- 000 men from our European forces in the training of the expanded Army in this country. At the beginning of the year, we had something on the order of 225,000 men In our Army forces in Western Europe. I stated we would draw them down by about 15,000 and replace those men by the end of this year. We are well on the way to doing something. I have forgotten the exact strength in Western Europe today, but I would think it was on the order of. 218,000. By the end of this year, it will be 223,000 or 224,000. We will plan to be prepared to maintain it at thtt through- out the coming year. I noticed in the press that I was accused of playing politics by announc- ing the cut in the draft call last Satur-', day. I think some might have accused' me by playing reverse politics because, of course,-what it meant was that we had for the month of November an- nounced a rather heavy draft call In. September, and it is not until after the election that we will 'be cutting the, draft as much as we are. ' It is customary to announce the draft calls to the Selective Service System by a letter from my office to General Hershey, in the first week of the second preceding month, which meant,- of course, that we should have sent the letter to General Hershey on last Sat-.. urday or earlier for the month of January. Actually, because General Wheeler total for the four months of August, September, October and November, of about 162,000, a very substantial reduc- tion. S. Soviet Capacity Q. alr. SecrePry. just ono in re que' tien, if you on the missile sy::cm. A. Surely. Q. In l,ivman's langua:-e, does thl mean that the l:ussians now have Lh,' capacity to knock down American bal- listic missiles but we do not? A. Certainly not. There is absolutely no question about our capability of penetrating the Soviet defenses with both our missiles and aircraft. There has been no question about that at any time during the past 15 years and there: is no question about it now. There was not any question about It when they erected the antiaircraft. de- fenses and intended to prevent our. bomber aircraft from penetrating. At that time, we had a capability of assur- ing bomber penetration. There is no question about it now when they are similarly trying to defend against inter- continental ballistic missiles. 9. Manned Bombers Q. Mr. Secretary, in your summary you did not mention manned bombers and plans for next year's defense budget. What are the plans? A. No, we did not mention that be- cause we did not discuss that with the President this morning. I have just received within 'the ' past two days or three days a report on this subject from the Secretary of the Air Force. We have not had an opportunity yet to analyze it fully in my office and we did not have that on our agenda this morn- ing. This meeting today, which as I say is the third with the President on the subject of the fiscal. 1968 program, is but one of several. I am sure we will request an op- portunity to meet on future occasions. Among the subjects we will discuss at that time will, of course, be the pos- sibility of an advanced manned bomber. If there are no more questions, Gen- oral Wheeler will comment upon South Vietnam. WHEELER STATEMENT As the President mentioned, I dis- cussed with him this morning the pro- gress of the war In South Vietnam. It is interesting to note that it is just about a year ago in a series of battles in the Anbrang Valley near the Cam- bodian border, General Westmoreland's troops, in this case the First Cavalry Division, defeated, with substantial losses, the North Vietnamese Army,' 325th Infantry Division. that the v,.,r is in a very fat Westmoreland in every operat aged to defeat mented on the build-up which our visit. to Vs t}; thw qe:u h.,r' ul.ir w.u. i u',?nld r,??i \1?he. wOul,l 111c,' vi:.iL C,,meri,n 1' In bri~?f, th, n, the I'rr tdrnI military point ,1 of the war. I that he, of c during his visit that is the out: standing dedic of the America of all ranks, I to the G.I.'s, it war. I think that orally. I will any questions. 10 Q. General, reports today, lieve, used not time against , special signific, A. I don't kr have to remen ington at a rat .ing and when mand center b such report. If represents a cc tional sophistic responding t them. Q. Thank yoi Rego THE PRES] take some quc the network p people,. if the3 back there i meet with all such visits as 3 11.Ef Q. Mr. Pros had a chance election retut7 chances of kec legislation got year? A. I think for any new I pose. I think House with i more likely t emendations t 250. While I do: any great diff do have a Sei 67 to 64. I told Mr. me yesterday thought we to ate than we 1 Very frank recommend th anticipated a, the Senate, a only one wa! Douglas. The Oregon for Senator 1 seat was a Bass. We thought we lost three 'guess when people in 50 be. But the Since that time, the North Vietnamese and the Vietcong have made a number of efforts to seize the initiative from General Westmoreland's forces. When I say his forces, I am speaking not only of Americans, but also the Australians, the New Zealanders, the Republic of Korea forces and the Republic of Viet- nam forces. . and I had not had an opportunity to Ina series of quite extensive battles, discuss this subject with the President, Hastings, which took place near the because its size depended in part upon demilitarized zone starting in April, decisions we had not yet had an op- Operation Prairie, which, again, took. portunity to make with 'respect to pos- . place and is taking place' today, near sible deployments to ,,South Vietnam in the demilitarized zone, the Third 1967, we deferred that January call Marines have managed to frustrate and until Monday in order that we might defeat an attempt at an invasion from complete our discussions with the Presi North Vietnam into South. Vietnam by-.dent on Saturday. the North Vietnamese Army forces. We did so, and we transmitted' the While we_were-in`Vietnama.eouple of letter to General Hersey' on Monday,__ week's ago, we visited operations in the It was `for a call of 27,0150 ,for the ";vicinity., of Phu Kok, where the First month ot,January That compares with RArmored bivision, a ROK outfit and Approved For\Release 2006/01/30 : CIA-RDP70B00338R000300080036-8 add to December ount sufficient to total. to about :ompares with the .?ont.hs of August, _md November, of substantial reduce Z W JS A.Uie L' .j: w L Lu Lll~ t Z L~ 1 .11L what balance it, as it did in rjao WRCR """ "" ' a '""""" ~' ' ` t' , ^ ' '?. _ that the war in my judgment continues we had an unprecedented majority of now? Are you feeling well? in a very favorable fashion. General Democrats, and in 1938 it swung back. A. Yes, I feel fine. I still have the WcstmorA g k This would just ho a fn every WVt'oadh.t?,Pl e, fi k 006 #b1iWe: v~d F 3fl Fd6M04 ?~ look at the last tram aged to defeat the'enemy. I also com- some of our friends lose, I can't think script, we have a little huskiness in wonted on the very satisfactory logistic a President should be too unhappy after the voice you may be able to observe build-up which we checked into during he had had the. :results that we have and a little pulling on the side, the had in 1963, 1964, 1965 and 1966. We rotrusion our visit t Vietn m li I b th t th p . . o a e eve a e "apacity logisticians, the engineers, the ordnance have had a reasonably good time to It is actually a pull on the Inner wall types, the quartermasters, and so on, make our recommendations and to get where the Incision was made. ,It is like ust one more ques- are perhaps the unsung heroes of this most of them acted upon. you have a little weight on your arm. In on the ballistic particular war. It may be pertinent to observe that carrying it around, it pulls on you, and -`ly. I would recommend to any of you when I became President in 1963 we 'sometimes when you get up ft bothers nguage, does this who would like to check my words to had about 256 members of the House. you. a.ns now have the visit Cameron Bay, annong other places. We will probably have five, six or seven I have not been wearing a back rest -wn American'bal- In brief, then, I was able to report to less now. We had a reasonably good pro- for the last two or three days. It is a 1 6 to not? 'here is absolutely our capability of 9 3 little more comfortable. I forgot to put the President my satisfaction from a gram, as you will remember, in military point of view as to. the progress , and 1964.. it on. If'I had known you were going to . of th war. I also told ,him something I would expect that we will have our, be here on this occasion this morning, I,_,, jet defenses with that he, of course, saw for himself _id aircraft. There during his visit to South Vietnam, and about that at any that is the outstanding morale, the out- 15 years and there standing dedication and determination now, of the American forces and their allies - question about it of all ranks, from the commanders down -ic antiaircraft.de- to the G.L's, in pursuing this particular i to prevent our war. -n penetrating. At I think that Is all I have to say for- :apability of assur- mally. I will be glad to try to answer [ion. There is no any questions. fend against inter- aissiles. ? 10. Use of Gas Q. General, according to the news reports today, the Vietcong have, I be- lieve, used nonlethal gas for the first .. manned bombers ar's defense budget. special significance on that action? ' A. I don't know that this is true. You have to remember that we left Wash- _ mention that be- ington at a rather eaj?ly hour this morn- -cuss that with the - ing and when I checked with the com- ing. I have just mand center before I left, I received no past two days or such report. If it is true, I would say it t on this subject represents a certain sophistication, addi- of the Air Force. tional sophistication, of their efforts in opportunity yet to responding to our offensive against office and we did them, agenda this morn-., Q. Thank you. President on the . 1968 program, . is Request by Johnson THE PRESIDENT: I will be glad to take some questions. I would like to ask _ll request an op- ` the network people .or the broadcasting a future occasions. people, if they want to originate some we will discuss at - back there in the back. Then I will nurse, be the pos- meet with all of you for extended visits, -~d manned bomber. such visits as you want. 7)re questions, Gen- znmcnt upon South 11. Effect of Elections - Q. Mr. President, now that you have TATEMENT had a chance to further evaluate the election returns, how do you see the mentioned, I dis. chances of keeping your Great Society morning the pro- legislation going - in the Congress next South Vietnam. It year? Le that it is just A. I think it will be more difficult - a series of battles ey :near the CanZ- -al Westmoreland's for any new legislation we might -pro- pose. I think it is very clear that a 1-louse with 295 to 300 Democrats is the First Cavalry more likely to approve Democratic rec- with substantial omendations- than a House with 245 to cietnamese Army, 250 - North Vietnamese any great difference in the Senate, you we made a number - do have a Senate that is reduced from -lie Initiative from - - 67 to 64. - - dsp forces. When I I told Mr. Christian when he asked speaking not only me yesterday about the election -that I ~;o the Australians, thought we lost more seats in the Sen-. o ate than we had anticipated. Republic Republic of Viet- - Very frankly, I don't like to . ever extensive battles, - recommend that we lose any, but I had It place near the anticipated a loss of not over one in starting - in April, the Senate, and we lost three, although _=hick, again, tools. - only one was an incumbent, Senator place' today, near Douglas. Zone, the Third The Oregon scat was a replacement -d to frustrate and for Senator Neuberger. The Tennessee an invasion from seat was a replacement for Senator South Vietnam by-.,.,- Bass. X. Army forces. -We thought -we would lose one, but -ictnaam-a, couple of we lost three. It is pretty difficult to I operations in the-, guess when they are -voting -on 435 where the First. people in 50 states what the result will RON outfit and be. But the number of losses in the recommendations favorably, acted upon would have dressed for it. But it Is in most instances, where they are de- ? more comfortable when you don't wear., serving. It. I would like to point out one other thing, that on most of the roll-calls on passage of what you would call Great Society bills, we had a good many members of the other party. I expect, if our recommendations are meritorious, that they will command support from some of them in the days ahead. 12. Backlash Vote Q. Mr. President, on Sunday you made an appeal for the voters to repudiatethe white backlash in the election. 'Could you tell us to what extent you think the backlash did play a part in the voting ? A. That is a little bit difficult to ap- praise. 'I don't think I am really in a position to be an authority on just what the result of my appeal was, or the ex- pression of the voters in each of the states. - - I just don't have the answer to it. I don't know. I would say that you could look at the states where you had some problems of that kind and see the action taken. .without getting specific, I think it did play some part, but I wouldn't say it was the only factor at all. There were a good many factors, if you will look over the list. I think it is only fair to say that the substantial reductions of Democratic Congressmen occurred in states where they had a popular leader of the Republican party. In Ohio, Governor Rhodes had a great majority and has been a very effective leader of the Republican party, a very popular one and very cooperative with our Administration and with me per- sonally. He made the motion, 'you will. remember, on Vietnam at the Governors' Conference, and things of that kind. We lost five seats there because he ran hundreds of thousands ahead of his opponent. The same thing was true in California, where we lost. I believe, three -seats because Governor Reagan had a sub- stantial majority in his election. In- Michigan, Governor Romney got almost 60 per cent of the votes. What happened In the state this time was what happened in the nation when the head of the ticket has a command- ing lead. The other men on the.ticket sometimes benefit from it. I am not commenting on the quality of the five Republicans elected, but I don't think they were hurt by the fact that Governor Romney had a '59 or 60 per cent vote.. So Reagan, Rhodes' and Romney ac- count for, 25 or 30 per cent of the. total. - In other instances you had vacancies and you had men dying before their election. You had men after they had gotten their nomination not running it out - things of that kind, one or two. 14. New Programs Q. In terms of your Great Society pro- gram, when the 90th Congress meets, do - you think- you will have a lot of new programs or are you looking to the fu- ture with plans of adding on and ex- panding the programs that you have had In the last couple of years? - A. We will have recommendations in expand and enlarge some of the recom-". . mendations we have previously made. Unquestionably, some of them will be, new recommendations. I think my princi-, pal job right at the moment is to try to find a way to fund the programs we have authorized. As I said to you in Fredericksburg the other 'day, we have authorized some 40 new health and education programs. We have quite a problem in funding that many. ' We will not fund most of the programs at the amount authorized because we are very anxious to begin slowly and T - of last year, ?as the ones last year were less than the year before. of Congress on them from time to time. I hope to have a,chance to visit with' most of the now membes in the early days of the session, certainly with the leadership of both parties. I don't anticipate that we are going- to hate any great trouble. A 65 majority in the House and a 30 majority in the. Senab Is a reasonable working majority." As I told you, in six of the eight years the Republiaas served, they had a minor- - ity in both houses. The Speakers and a - the organization and committee chairnen. So vhile I must be frank, I would have,,. liked 1o have seen every Democrat elect- ed butwe only lost one incumbent in the Senate I expect the Seante will get, along reasonably well with 64; instead of 67. I hop, the House will be able to. Wo lost twc committee chairmen. We will, have a freshman Republican succeeding -- - Judge Snith and a freshman Republican succeedin; Mr. Cooley. But I believe with 250 members, V Speaker Iv:cCormack, Mr. Albert and Mr.,, Boggs wil be able to get adequate and fair consiieration for the President's rec-,, ommendaaons. I think they will be duly acted upon. 15. Move Into Delta ' Q. Mr. President, this is not a military, question. Would. you comment on the reports tat American forces may move into the Delta? A. No. I don't have any- thing to speculate on about when, what, or whereour forces might move. Q. Thank you, Mr. President. - Approved For\Release 2006/01/30 : CIA-RDP70B00338R000300080036-8