JOURNAL OFFICE OF LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL FRIDAY-22 AUGUST 1969

• Document Type: CREST
• Collection: General CIA Records
• Document Number (FOIA) /ESDN (CREST): CIA-RDP70B00338R000200120001-1
• Release Decision: RIPPUB
• Original Classification: U
• Document Page Count: 26
• Document Creation Date: December 20, 2016
• Document Release Date: March 4, 1999
• Sequence Number: 1
• Publication Date: August 22, 1969
• Content Type: NOTES

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these-particular
goverment connections or tie-ups," and g. have no relati(Tie
xar about the time of .Pearl Harbor, a little
: W OBB tiret in Nev York. and. then abroad
after Pearl, Harbor until November. of 1945
tionof any kind. I. have no special interest to
I retired from wa.r wcrk 6
and ` then.. after VE day in Berlin.
n any.one .of these particularagenclee.
your statement. I-think that you were really the to, pan ,.ver-
the foreign, service," from 1916 to 1926 in t- e Dip:.o*satic
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s Ia as a. civilian, a lawyer, and
undercover seteur of the United States.
to select a place, Switzerland, which afforded uni.?.ue o'"po:
tunities for doing th~s type of work. I hui ten yeas In
war in19].7. Ilthen'xas transferred to Switzerland, i:1.3 tt.: y
would not let me get. Into the Army, and I Brent the first 'or',
Switzerland, and I was able at that time to get an ..gee
, intelligence operations directed against a country like
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agencies.
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that Switzerland was?`the'plaee where I scold render the bee
go into the armed forces effective Ly
ser.9ice, and,,. I mot into Switzerland the' day after Swit-er.
From that experience-1 felt myself when this war broke
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Close d`. off by the Claris and the Fascists, and the only -day
- r .< a .... an
could communicate of. course with the o~tid~ world was by
measure of success in renetrating the. 3errian Intellir1ice
ncn7,oecunied France, Fascist Italy, and ha.I a certain
Gforkinfi there in Switzerland I developed operations
directed Into all of the countries around Switnerlani, Oer-
German ar.incies.
ervicee- the.,-German Foreign Office and certain other of the
,_topAn in intelligence, was your agent?.
Mr. Judd. Is it not true that Admiral Carnaris, Hitler's
of 19L14, we there in Switzerland. were entirely
That is going a little far. I had working- with
several of-the men in Carnarie' or8anlzation, and I was
it
touch with Carnarie, espeoially'wlth General Oster
to?a:athe oritieide..world.by the..Qerm&n invasion
of France or. the.. occupation. of the
M- venber 4ot;19?~2. when that occurred until
f Staff and in charge of his intelligence.
Then it is too much to say he was your agent,
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giving you Sntel.lig(,.nce, and he and his noer =urn
Is'. correct.,, About 10 percent of thr- )P9-31:
was` involved, And by theway, gently ier1p
publicity indicating that the. , P R
military'organization. That is not correc` ...
Germany, wl leh was the,, counter-intell i:-^r ce or
Ocentral intelligence German agency, operated sender ;.k e
antt it-did not operate under either the Army or-- the 'dr o -
old;UKAVA, that is the Joint Chiefs of Staff under Kit-',
,
the,, Airr force:,` It operated under a? central orr a: i?ati : .,.
That organization was constituted sarrr3whrtt `+_i),e -.1 1
Donovan's organization, the 03S, in the sense t`-.at it
n civilians, lawyers and busioeege ^er,r yo-in,-
.~
army,-
and it was recruited in that way?
Russians and his treatment f the Russians and az rf e r;
Itwas possible to penetrate the OPBER. As you rrobeh? ,
About 10 percent of the OP9ER or "rernan co :nt.-i_.
? gence became anti.Nazi. They became di" ugted Witt: :t
tactics, and they orpoeed Hitler's activities a