JOURNAL - OFFICE OF LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL FRIDAY - 29 OCTOBER 1965

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JOURNAL
OFFICE OF LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL
Friday - 29 October 1965
1. Picked up Chairman L. Mendel
Rivers at his home and brought him in for breakfast with the Director
and a briefing.
2. Talked with the office of Senator Birch
Bayh (D., Ind.) and ascertained that the Senator would be in town until
he leaves for his Latin American trip on Tuesday. This information was
obtained in connection with a proposal to brief the Senator on Agency
interest in one of his travelling companions.
3. Talked with Mr. Osborn, Chief
of Management Section, BOB, in connection with the surprise passage
by the Senate of H. R. 4845, Automatic Data Processing. Mr. Osborn
confirmed that the Senate held no hearings on the bill and that at the
last moment, Senator McClellan resorted to the unique procedure of
polling the Government Operations Committee membership in order to
report out the bill for floor action, late in the day on the 22nd of October,
the last day of the session. Mr. Osborn indicated that this action caught
them totally unaware. While we have made good legislative history supporting
an administrative exemption of the Agency, Mr. Osborn agreed that it
would be a good idea to complete the record by a restatement of our
position in a letter to BOB. This will be done.
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March 22, .1965 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD - SENATE
on Simplification of the Income Tax
Laws.
I ask unanimous consent that the bill
be printed in the RECORD, that it be
printed and appropriately referred, and
that it lie over until Friday for the addi-
tion of possible cosponsors.
The VICE PRESIDENT. The bill will
be received and appropriately referred;
and, without objection, the bill will be
printed in the RECORD and will lie on the
desk, as requested by the Senator from
Iowa.
The bill (S. 1583) creating a commis-
sion to be known as the Presidential
Commission on Simplification of the In-
come Tax Laws, introduced by Mr.
MILLER (for himself and Mr. WILLIAMS
of Delaware), was received, read twice by
its title, referred to the Committee on
Finance, and ordered to be printed in the
RECORD, as follows:
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of
Representatives of the United States of Amer-
ica in Congress assembled,
FINDINGS OF FACT AND DECLARATION OF POLICY
SECTION 1. The Congress finds that the in-
come tax originally contemplated by the six-
teenth amendment to the Constitution has
become so complex and cumbersome, through
the numerous statutory enactments, amend-
ments, rulings, and regulations, that it is an
undue burden on the taxpayers of the United
States, the professional people who serve
them, and the Government officials who ad-
minister the law. This burden has become
increasingly worse and if permitted to con-
tinue there is danger that our system of in-
come taxation will collapse. It is the re-
sponsibility of the Federal Government to
carry out its powers under the sixteenth
amendment in such a manner as to enable
taxpayers to comply with the law and to de-
termine their liabilities without the expendi-
ture of excessive time, effort, and money.
ESTABLISHMENT OF THE PRESIDENTIAL COMMIS-
SION FOR SIMPLIFICATION OF THE INCOME
TAX LAWS
SEC. 2. (a) For the purpose of carrying out
the provisions of this Act, there is hereby
created a commission to be known as The
Presidential Commission for Simplification
of the Income Tax Laws (hereinafter re-
ferred to as the "Commission").
(b) Service of an individual as a member
of the Commission or employment of an in-
dividual by the Commission as an attorney
or expert in any business or professional
field, on a part-time or full-time basis, with
or without compensation, shall not be con-
sidered as service or employment bringing
such individual within the provisions of sec-
tion 281, 283, 284, 484, or 1914 of title 18
of the United States Code, or section 190
of the Revised Statutes (5 U.S.C. 99).
MEMBERSHIP OF THE COMMISSION
SEC. 3. (a) NUMBER AND APPOINTMENT.-The
Commission shall be composed of seventeen
members, appointed by the President, with-
out regard to political party affiliation, as
follows :
(1) Two Members from the Senate;
(2) Two Members from the House of Rep-
resentatives;
(3) One member from the Office of Legis-
lative Counsel of the Treasury Department;
(4) One member from the Internal Re-
venue Service;
(5) One member from a State tax commis-
sion engaged in State income tax adminis-
tration;
(6) Two members of the American Bar
Association, one of whom shall be engaged
primarily in tax law practice, including the
preparation of tax returns, and the other
of whom shall be engaged in the general
practice of law, including the preparation
of tax returns;
(7) One member of the American Insti-
tute of Certified Public Accountants whose
practice includes the preparation of tax re-
turns;
(8) One member of the National Asso-
ciation of Accountants whose practice in-
cludes the preparation of tax returns;
(9) Two farmers;
(10) Two small businessmen;
(11) Two wage earners.
(b) VACANCIES.-Any vacancy in the Com-
mission shall not affect its powers, but shall
be filled in the same manner in which the
original appointment was made.
(C) CONTINUATION OF MEMBERSHIP UPON
CHANGE OF STATUS.-A change in the status
or employment of any person appointed to
the Commission pursuant to subsection (a)
of this section shall not affect his member-
ship upon the Commission.
ORGANIZATION OF THE COMMISSION
SEC. 4. The Commission shall elect a
Chairman and a Vice Chairman from among
its members.
QUORUM
SEC. 6. Nine members of the Commission
shall constitute a quorum.
COMPENSATION OF MEMBERS OF THE
COMMISSION
SEC. 6. (a) MEMBERS OF CONGRESS.-Mem-
bers of Congress who are members of the
Commission shall serve without compensa=
tion in addition to that received for their
services as Members of Congress; but they
shall be reimbursed for travel, subsistence,
and other necessary expenses incurred by
them in the performance of the duties vested
in the Commission.
(b) MEMBERS FROM THE EXECUTIVE
BRANCH.-The members of the Commission
who are in the executive branch of the Gov-
ernment shall serve without compensation
in addition to that received for their services
in the executive branch, but they shall be re-
imbursed for travel, subsistence, and other
necessary expenses incurred by them in the
performance of the duties vested in the
Commission.
(C) MEMBERS FROM PRIVATE LIFE.-The
members from private life shall each receive
$50 per diem when engaged in the actual
performance of duties vested in the Com-
mission, plus reimbursement for travel, sub-
sistence, and other necessary expenses in-
curred by them in the performance of such
duties.
STAFF OF THE COMMISSION
SEC. 7. The Commission shall have power
to appoint and fix the compensation of such
personnel as it deems advisable, without re-
gard to the provisions of the civil service
laws and the Classification Act of 1949, as
amended.
EXPENSES OF THE COMMISSION
SEC. 8. There Is hereby authorized to be
appropriated, out of any money in the Treas-
ury not otherwise appropriated, so much as
may be necessary to carry out the provisions
of this Act.
DUTIES OF THE COMMISSION
SEC. 9. (a)-INVESTIGATION, ANALYSIS, and
RECOMMENDATIONS.-It shall be the duty of
the Commission-
(1) to analyze the Federal income tax laws
and to determine how they can be simplified
in a manner consistent with equity and pro-
tection of the revenue.
(2) to formulate and make recommenda-
tions for legislative action determined to be
necessary and desirable to simplify the in-
come tax laws and their administration.
(b) REPORT.-The Commission shall report
to the President and the Congress its find-
ings and recommendations as soon as prac-
ticable and in no event later than July 1,
1966. The Commission shall cease to exist
sixty days following the submission of its
final report.
POWERS OF THE COMMISSION
SEC. 10. (a) HEARINGS AND SESSIONS.-The
Commission or, on the authorization of the
Commission, any subcommittee or member
thereof, may, for the purpose of carrying out
the provisions of this Act, hold such hear-
ings and sit and act at such times and places,
administer such oaths, and require, by sub-
pena or otherwise, the attendance and testi-
mony of such witnesses and the production
of such books, records, correspondence,
memorandums, papers, and documents as the
Commission or such subcommittee or mem-
ber may deem advisable.
Subpenas may be issued over the signature
of the Chairman of the Commission, or such
subcommittee, or any duly designated mem-
ber, and may be served by any person desig-
nated by such Chairman or member. The
provisions of sections 102 through 104 of
the Revised Statutes of the United States (2
U.S.C. 192-194) shall apply in the case of
any failure of any witness to comply with any
subpena or to testify when summoned under
authority of this section.
(b) OBTAINING OFFICIAL DATA.-The Com-
mission is authorized to secure directly from
any executive department, bureau, agency,
board, commission, office, independent estab-
lishment, or instrumentality, information,
suggestions, estimates, and statistics for the
purpose of this Act, and each such depart-
ment, bureau, agency, board, commission,
office, establishment, or instrumentality is
authorized and directed to furnish such in-
formation, suggestions, estimates, and sta-
tistics directly to the Commission, upon re-
quest made by the Chairman or Vice Chair-
man.
Mr. MILLER. Mr. President, this bill
is introduced on behalf of myself and the
senior Senator from Delaware [Mr. WIL-
LIAMS ].
The income tax originally envisioned
by the 16th amendment to the Constitu-
tion has become so complex and cumber-
some that it is an undue burden on the
taxpayers, the professional people who
serve them, and the Federal officials who
administer the laws.
This burden has been growing steadily
worse and, if permitted to continue,
there is danger that our system of income
taxation will collapse. The effectiveness
of our tax system rests on the under-
standing of those who must pay the tax-
the American public. When the nu-
merous changes made by Congress over
the years add to the confusion of the tax-
payer, this effectiveness is negated. This
is what has happened.
In making structural changes, either
through executive department interpre-
tation or congressional action, it appears
to me that the basic social philosophy un-
derlying the tax structure has often been
overlooked.
Too often we fail to remember that a
tax system has purposes other than
simply meeting the cost of government.
Many tax systems would raise the neces-
sary revenue. Some would be more desir-
able than others. When computing tax
liability becomes so difficult, so complex,
and so confusing, as is now the case, we
are failing to take into account the other
purposes of stimulating employment and
economic growth and the encouragement
of savings and investment. Changes in
the law made for purposes of doing equity
can result in inequity as a result of the
complexities they bring with them.
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It is the responsibility of the Federal
Government to carry out its powers un-
der the 16th amendment in such a man-
ner as to enable taxpayers to comply
with the law and to determine their
liabilities without the expenditure of ex-
cessive time, effort, and money.
My bill, to create a Presidential Com-
mission on Simplification of the Income
Tax Laws, would be a step in this direc-
tion.
The Commission would be charged
with:
First. Analyzing the Federal income
tax laws to determine how they can be
simplified in a manner consistent with
equity and protection of the revenue.
Second. Formulating and making rec-
ommendations for legislative action de-
termined to be necessary and desirable
to simplify the tax laws and their
administration.
The VICE PRESIDENT. The time of
the Senator has expired.
Mr. MILLER. Mr. President, I ask
unanimous consent that I may be per-
mitted to continue for 1 additional
minute.
The VICE PRESIDENT. The Sen-
ator from Iowa is recognized for 1 addi-
tional minute.
Mr. MILLER. Mr. President, the
Commission would be composed of two
members each from the Senate, the
House of Representatives, and the
American Bar Association; one from the
Office of Legislative Counsel of the
Treasury Department; one from the In-
ternal Revenue Service; one from a
State tax commission; one from the
American Institute of Certified Public
Accountants; one from the National As-
sociation of Accountants; two farmers;
two small businessmen, and two wage
ILLEGIgrners.
As can be seen, this Commission would
be representative of all strata of
rs, those who constitute the bulk of
e taxpayers, and the professions which
ist many taxpayers with their returns.
LIONS OF DOLLARS ANNUALLY
THROUGH BETTER MANAGEMENT
OF AUTOMATIC DATA PROCESS-
GOVERNMENT
Mr. DOUGLAS. Mr. President, I In-
educe, for appropriate reference, abill
Ld authorize the Administrator of General
Services to coordinate and otherwise
provide for the economic and efficient
purchase, lease, maintenance, operation,
and utilization of automatic data process-
ing equipment by Federal departments
and agencies.
This bill would provide for central
management and control over the auto-
matic data processing facilities of the
Federal Government. If enacted. it
should make possible savings of many
millions of dollars to the taxpayers of
this country through better management
of automatic data processing equipment.
including improved procurement and
utilization practices.
The Federal Government is currently
spending about $1 billion annually to op-
crate the approximately 1.800 computers
installed directly in Federal agencies.
The Bureau of the Budget recently esti-
mated that an additional 3.600 computers
are employed in unique military opera-
tions and by private contractors perform-
ing work for the Government on a cost
reimbursement basis. This means, ac-
cording to the Bureau of the Budget, that
the Federal Government is probably fi-
nancing about 30 percent of all com-
puters in the country, representing
approximately $3 billion In total annual
costs.
The Federal Government is the world's
largest user of data processing equip-
ment, and the related costs continue to
increase with each passing year. The
Comptroller General has repeatedly
pointed out, in the course of some 60
reports to the Congress since 1962 on this
matter, that until the Government estab-
lishes a form of centralized management
and control over the procurement and
use of this equipment, Federal agencies
will continue to incur unnecessary costs
in this already high-cost area of Gov-
ernment operations.
On March 6, 1963, the Comptroller
General sent to the Congress a very sig-
nificant report entitled "Study of Fi-
nancial Advantages of Purchasing over
Leasing of Electronic Data Processing
Equipment in the Federal Government."
This report showed that by purchasing
rather than leasing 523 of the over 1,000
computers being leased by Government
agencies the Government could save $148
million over a 5-year period and an addi-
tional $100 million for each year of ad-
ditional use after the 5-year period.
But it is important to point out as well
that these very significant possible sav-
ings are based on calculations involving
only about one-half of the computer sys-
tems leased by Government agencies.
There are many more computer systems
which are indirectly leased at Govern-
ment expense through contracts nego-
tiated by the Department of Defense, Na-
tional Aeronautics and Space Adminis-
tration, and other Government agencies.
Therefore, the total savings available
through purchasing and improved utiliza
tion of this equipment may well come to
several times the amounts applicable to
the 523 computer systems covered in the
Comptroller General's report.
This report and a followup report on
this subject issued by the Comptroller
General on April 30. 1964, pointed out
that to realize the extremely significant
possible savings, basic changes in the
Government's overall management sys-
tem will be necessary. In particular, de-
cisions regarding purchasing and utiliza-
tion of this equipment should be made
through one central coordinating orga-
nization which will consider both the
Government-wide needs for this equip-
ment and the resources already avail-
able.
There has been some improvement
during the past 2 years in Government
policies relating to the purchasing of
computers. It is estimated that by the
end of this fiscal year the Government
will own about 46 percent of the 1,946
computers to be installed in Federal
agencies by that time. Nevertheless, at
the present time Government agencies
have on lease about 1,100 computers. In
other words, we have more computers on
lease now than we had when the Comp-
troller General issued his March 6, 1963,
report to the Congress. Also, as the
Comptroller General pointed out in his
April 30, 1964, report, practically all of
the equipment used by Government con-
tractors is being leased. This latter re-
port also showed that extensive savings
could be achieved through improved
equipment utilization practices in the
agencies and through the joint use of
electronic data processing resources by a
number of Federal agencies in lieu of
additional procurement of this costly
equipment by each agency separately.
The rapid growth in Government use
of this costly equipment makes it essen-
tial, In my opinion, that the Congress act
to institute these economies. The bill
which I have introduced is identical to
my bill, S. 1577, of the 87th Congress
which the General Accounting Office
drafted at my request following a very
revealing hearing before a subcommittee
of the Joint Economic Committee.
The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. Mc-
NAMARA in the chair). The time of the
Senator from Illinois has expired.
Mr. DOUGLAS. Mr. President, I ask
unanimous consent that I may be per-
mitted to continue for 5 additional
seconds.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. With-
out objection, it is so ordered.
Mr. DOUGLAS. Mr. President, I ask
unanimous consent that the bill be held
at the desk for 10 days for possible addi-
tional cosponsors.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The bill
will be received and appropriately re-
ferred and, without objection, the bill
will be held at the desk for 10 days for
possible additional cosponsors.
The bill (S. 1584) to authorize the Ad-
ministrator of General Services to
coordinate and otherwise provide for the
economic and efficient purchase, lease,
maintenance, operation, and utilization
of automatic data processing equipment
by Federal departments and agencies, in-
troduced by Mr. DOUGLAS, was received,
read twice by its title, and referred to the
Committee on Government Operations.
PROPOSED LEGISLATION RELATING
TO FOREIGN CLAIMS SET'I'LE-
MENT COMMISSION
Mr. JOHNSTON. Mr. President, I
send to the desk two proposed bills deal-
ing with the Foreign Claims Settlement
Commission and the Office of Alien Prop-
erty.
Under previous legislation the Office of
Alien Property has drastically reduced
its workload and this year's budget re-
quest is approximately 50 percent of last
year's. In addition, the Office of Alien
Property has recently completed the sale
of the General Aniline & Film Corp.
and only minor technicalities remain to
be settled in this matter. Consequently,
the Office of Alien Property should be
abe to complete its work during this
session of the Congress and we should be
able to transfer any remaining functions
to the Foreign Claims Settlement Com-
mission, resulting in a consolidation of
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March 25, 1965 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD - SENATE
authorization of $15 million is proposed
for this purpose.
Grants and technical assistance to
multicounty economic development dis-
tricts for formulating overall economic
development plans.
Additional Federal grants of 10 per-
cent for development facility projects
which are part of an approved district
development plan, as a special incentive
to encourage communities to work to-
gether.
Federal grants and loans for desig-
nated economic development centers in
order that economic development dis-
tricts will have resources sufficient to
sustain their growth.
For the last two purposes I am recom-
mending an authorization of $50 million.
To allow ample time for the States to
prepare well thoughtout action pro-
grams, no projects would be approved
under this authorization until 1 year
after enactment of the legislation.
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ORGANIZATION
This enlarged and redirected program
of economic development will be admin-
istered by the Department of Commerce,
which has also been responsible for the
r~xisting experimental program. The
legislation I am proposing would create
the position of Economic Development
Administrator in that Department. The
functions and powers of the existing
Area Redevelopment Administration
would be tansf erred to a Successor orga-
nization to be created by the Secretary
of Commerce to administer the new act.
Many other Federal programs also can
contribute to the economic development
of distressed areas. It is essential that
these programs be closely coordinated
to make sure resources are used with
maximum effectiveness in reaching the
common goal of a higher standard of
living for the people of these regions.
Therefore, I have directed the Secretary
of?Commerce to work closely with inter-
ested departments and agencies in
achieving a coordinated Federal effort.
It is especially important that this effort
be carried forward in close cooperation
with the Office of Economic Opportunity.
The antipoverty program will help
people improve their ability to obtain
and hold a job. This program is de-
signed to increase the number of jobs
available to those who want to work.
Obviously both efforts are essential to the
future growth of distressed areas. I in-
tend to see that they work closely to-
gether toward the common objective.
steel from Pittsburgh. Poverty in_ one
area slows progress in other areas.
Third, the job can be done. We have
the resources and the skill to extend
American abundance to every citizen
and every region of this land.. This
program will help give us the instru-
ments to match our determination to
eliminate poverty in America.
The conditions of our distressed areas
today are among our most important
economic problems. They hold back the
progress of the Nation, and breed
a despair and poverty which is inex-
cusable in the richest land on earth.
We will not permit any part of this
country to be a prison where hopes are
crushed, human beings chained to mis-
ery, and the promise of America denied.
The conditions of our depressed areas
can and must be righted. In this gen-
eration they will be righted.
LYNDON B. JOHNSON.
THE WHITE HOUSE, March 25, 1965.
thorizations of funds for technical assist-
ance on a multicounty basis, and :n
connection with the full development of
regional resources, are proposals which
I know the committees will review care-
fully. -
The ARA program has been one which
has stimulated enterprise and created
jobs in many parts of our country, but it
has also had its problems which have'
been recognized as the agency developed
its experience to meet different needs in
different sections of our country: I hope
that attention will be given to these pro-
posals, to a study of the accomplish-
ments of the program since its beginning
in 1961, and to the need for revisions and
improvements which many of us have
urged in the Senate for many years.
The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr.
HARRIS in the chair). What is the will
of the Senate?
Mr. McINTYRE. Mr. President, I
suggest the absence of a quorum.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The
clerk will call the roll.
The legislative clerk proceeded to call
the roll.
Mr. HARTKE. Mr. President, I ask
unanimous consent that the order for
the quorum call be rescinded.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. With-
AREA ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT
TITLE
Mr. COOPER. Mr. President, the
Senate has just received the President's
message on area and regional economic
development. In this message, he has
made recommendations which are fo-
cused upon the economic needs of dis-
tressed areas, and directed at providing
the conditions which can lead to growth
and to improvement of the towns and
counties in which the people of these
areas want to maintain their residence.
I welcome the recommendations of the
President, and I am pleased to note that
he has based these recommendations
primarily upon the experience of, the ac-
celerated public works program, the
Area Redevelopment Administration,
and also the Appalachian Regional De-
velopment Commission, which helped
develop the Appalachian bill the Con-
gress enacted this year. I know that the
committees of both the House and Sen-
ate will give careful consideration to
these proposals, and I want to comment
only briefly on the main points made in
the message to the Congress.
As one who has spoken and voted for
the accelerated public works program,
I am glad that a program of direct grants
for 50 percent of the cost of constructing
public facilities related to economic de-
velopment is included in the message.
More importantly, the request for an an-
nual authorization of $250 million for
this program, including a provision for
greater assistance for communities whose
financial condition makes them unable
to raise the required local share, would
place this program on a regular basis-
a procedure I have long urged to meet
the needs in many areas of our country
that want to work to share in the eco-
nomic growth and affluence of the rest
of the Nation.
The request for an annual authoriza-
tion of $170 million for a revolving fund
which would provide loans for commer-
cial and industrial facilities, for con-
nected public facilities, and for working
capital guarantees, is one which deserves
close study by the Congress. In addi-
tion, the new recommendations for au-
CONCLUSION
There are three important things to
remember about this program. First,
it is designed to extend opportunity to
those now deprived of a full chance to
share in the blessings of American life.
As such it has a call upon the moral
conscience of every citizen.
Second, it will benefit all Americans.
The experience of the last 30 years has
shown conclusively that the increasing
prosperity of any region of this country
increases the prosperity of the Nation.
We have truly become a national econ-
omy. Higher incomes for the people of
Illinois or Arkansas mean increased mar-
kets for automobiles from Detroit and
h.iection, it is so ordered.
aPOSED CUT IN SOIL CONSER-
VATION SERVICE BUDGET
Mr. HARTKE. Mr. President, I invite
t'ie attention of the Senate to a crisis
which is developing in the Nation's vital
soil conservation efforts. I speak of the
administration's proposal to cut $20,130,-
000 from the Soil Conservation Service
budget for 1966, and to establish a re-
volving fund to absorb this loss.
The dominant conservation problem
on the non-Federal rural lands today is
soil erosion. A recent study made by
the Department of Agriculture-the "Na-
tional Inventory of Soil and Water Con-
servation Needs"-reveals that conser-
vation problems are inadequately treated
on 62 percent of the country's cropland,
73 percent of non-Federal pasture and
range, and 55 percent of non-Federal
forest and woodland.
Great strides, however, have been
made in recent years toward developing
proper conservation practices. In the
forefront of these efforts has been the
Soil Conservation Service. Of particular
importance has been the technical as-
sistance provided by the Service to the
individual landowner in helping him to
plan and develop conservation practices.
It is proposed to cut funds for these
technical services from the budget and
to substitute in its place a revolving
fund. This would force soil conservation
districts, or individual landowners and
operators, to pay to the Service up to 50
percent of the cost of technical assis-
tance furnished.
Mr. President, this proposal will seri-
ously jeopardize water resource develop-
ment in this country. We are not mov-
ing fast enough in this area now. We
need more funds, not less. I believe that
the revolving fund plan is unworkable
and can lead only to a decline in proper
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conservation practices. Districts unable
to offset the $20 million would be forced
to reduce proportionately the technical
staff providing assistance.
In Indiana, for instance, the impact of
the budget cut would be severe. More
than $230,000 would have to be raised
each year to maintain the program at
present levels. About 70 man-years of
technical time would be lost without the
funds.
Perhaps this budget cut is proposed
as an economy measure. Action to re-
duce Government spending is laudable
in many instances, but here we have a
clear case of false economy. By failing
to fund this relatively small cost for
valuable technical know-how, we will
bring about enormous dollar losses in
soil, crops, water and wildlife.
The problem of water resource devel-
opment and land management is na-
tional in scope and affects every one
of our citizens. We cannot expect the
small landowner to bear the entire bur-
dent of conservation costs. He already
pays a percentage of construction costs
and all of the maintenance costs. It
should be recognized that urban people.
too, benefit significantly from a balanced
watershed development. Urban resi-
dents want unpolluted streams, recrea-
tion areas and attractive countrysides.
The public interest requires an in-
crease-not a decrease-in funds for
these purposes.
I urge every Senator to- study this
problem carefully and to join me in
opposing any effort to reduce or hinder
our land and water conservation pro-
grams.
GENERAL SCHRIEVER ON
1 COMPUTER SYSTEMS
Mr. HARTKE. Mr. President. a
speech on the use of computers in the
Air Force, which operates more than 500
of them as the heart of its systems man-
agement program, recently came to my
desk. It was written by Gen. Bernard A.
Schriever, commander of the Air Force
Systems Command, and was given at the
11th Annual Data Processing Conference
of the American Management Associa-
tion.
Because of the importance of data
processing and because of the contents
of General Schriever's remarks. I ask
unanimous consent to have the address
printed in the RECORD.
There being no objection, the speech
was ordered to be printed in the RECORD,
as follows:
THE EVOLUTION AND CHALLENGE OF SYSTETIR
MANAGEMENT
It is a distinct pleasure to take part in
this conference on "Management and the
Computer." I see from theprogam that the
computer portion of your conference has
been covered by the speakers and panelists
who are experts in data processing and man-
:,gement information systems. I would like
to discuss the management aspect, drawing
specifically on the Air Force experience In
managing the largest military development
program In the Nation's history-the ICBM.
Let me begin with a few observations about
the place of the computer In the manage-
ment picture. Military requirements. of
course, have greatly stimulated the pace of
computer development. Today the Air Force
operates more than 500 computers. They is the traditional "arsenal" approach. There
are at the heart of many of our systems, were two compelling reasons for rejecting It.
especially command and control systems. First of all, It ran directly contrary to the
They enable us to perform tasks that would Air Force philosophy of drawing directly on
be simply impossible without them. the Nation's vast scientific and industrial re-
to computer systems and designers and those
which constantly face management are simi-
lar in at least two ways:
First, the computer, like the management
approaches we adopt, must be placed in its
proper perspective In our way of life. It
must be fitted into our free enterprise system.
Among other things, it will be measured by
its contribution to our national economy and
to our industrial base.
Second, the computer, like any other re-
source, must be capable of supporting deci-
slonmaking in the most economical and
effective manner. It must be competitive
among other alternatives.
Simply stated, my view of the computer In
management Is that it should assist top man-
agement In making better big decisions. A
misuse of the computer Is to use It to par-
ticipate in all decisions. I think this kind
of misuse Often occurs because the computer
Is still a mystery to much of the top man-
agement. Too many specialists and inter-
preters get Into the actin the so-called
software area. We must Work toward com-
puter systems which will allow the manager
and the computer to communicate directly,
and we believe that technology can provide
this capability.
The Air Force faced the same challenges
In managing the ballistic missile program.
We not only needed to take full advantage
of the free enterprise system, and find the
approach which best supported the decision-
makers, but we also needed to make fullest
use of our valuable scientific, technological,
and industrial resources. I believe that the
lessons we learned remain valid today and
for the years ahead.
At the outset of the ICBM program In
19.54 we faced two categories of problems--
I 'Ile which involved technology and one which
involved management. A committee of
prominent scientists advised us that both
+ategories of problems could be solved, but
that each demanded a special approach. Our
success in solving the technological problems
is a matter of record. The extent to which
that success depended upon the evolution
of management needs to be better known.
During the late 1940's and early 1950's the
management problems associated with
weapon systems acquisition bad been rela-
tively simple. We could normally start by
designing a basic aircraft and then install
the "black boxes," such as communications
equipment, radar, armament. and other more
or less off-the-shelf items. In short, our ap-
proach involved straightforward engineer-
ing. A systems engineering approach care-
fully intergating the various subsystems was
not necessary.
But the ICBM required a whole new dimen-
sion of management. It Involved a whole
variety of technical problems, which often
had to be solved simultaneously. The overall
task-from initial concept to the deployment
of the missiles in operational sites across
the Nation-was unprecedented In size, cost,
and urgency.
We had the military resources, the scientif-
ic resources. the industrial resources, and the
manpower to develop this radically new
weapon system. But we needed to find the
way to harness these resources effectively-
to weld them into an effective instrument
that could meet the urgent challenge facing
the Nation. This was primarily a challenge
to management., and the challenge today is
not too different from what It was 11 years
ago.
Should we meet this challenge by trying
to achieve a rapid buildup of Air Force In-
house resources, at the cost of many millions
of dollars for Government facilities? This
sources. Secondly, and more important, this
approach would not allow us to rapidly at-
tract, motivate, and employ all the outstand-
ing scientists, engineers, and managers who
were needed.
What was the alternative? After consult-
ing leading scientists and Industrial execu-
tives, the Air Force decided to reaffirm its
basic philosophy of employing the total re-
sources in the scientific and Industrial com-
munity.
Immediately we faced the question of how
to organize and manage this effort. A re-
view of both Government and industrial ca-
pablllties revealed that no single organiza-
tion had sufficient expertise in all the tech-
nical fields involved in developing the ICBM.
This fact led the Air Force to adopt the
concept of an associate contractor team work-
ing directly with the Air Force. This con-
cept permitted the Air Force to have a direct
contract with each of several major specia-
lized contractors, thus taking advantage of
the specialized capabilities available and
making possible closer management control.
Because of the size and complexity of the
ICBM program It was necessary to form a
separate and Independent organization to
perform the critical function of systems en-
gineering and technical direction (SE/TD).
This is a unique discipline which requires
an extremely high degree of competence.
The associate contractor approach, together
with the use of the independent SE/TD
group, insured that we made use of the out-
standing talent of the Nation, whether in
government, Industry, or the universities,
In addition, the associate contractor struc-
ture provide competition in both cost and
technical excellence.
The success of this approach is now a mat-
ter of record. In spite of the fact that the
ICBM program was a pioneering effort on a
scale never before attempted and involved
a whole new dimension of technical complex-
ity, it succeeded beyond all expectations.
The range, payload, and accuracy of today's
ballistic missiles far exceed the most opti-
mistic predictions. Furthermore, they were
developed ahead of schedule.
We were able to achieve these results
through a management approach in which
we carried on a number of activities concur-
rently. These activities included develop-
ment, test and evaluation; establishment of
a logistic system: training of people; con-
struction of technical and operational facil-
ities; and production. If these had been
done In sequence, the leadtime for the total
system would have been much longer and
the overhead costs would have been greater.
Thus the concurrency approach made It pos-
sible to save both time and money. This lat-
ter advantage Is not always recognized.
Obviously some degree of concurrency is
Involved in the development of any major
weapon system, but this does not always or
necessarily mean concurrency in technical
development. I want to stress this point.
Concurrency has often been taken to mean
stretching the state-of-the-art, but this is
not the case. Technology is only one ele-
ment of the total system acquisition. De-
pending on circumstances, we can take an
approach involving high technical risk, as
with the ICBM, or low technical risk, as with
the C-141 Jet transport or take an approach
somewhere in between. But in each case
concurrency is involved in the system acqui-
sition cycle.
We must always use judgment In employ-
Ing this management concept, as we must In
employing any management concept. It is
Simply not possible to take a single manage-
ment approach and say, "This Is the only
way to develop a new system." Rather, our
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approach should always be appropriate to the
task we have to do-considering the size, the
cost, the urgency, and technical risk in-
volved, and other relevant factors.
This brings me to a second consideration
which has affected the evolution of systems
management, and that is the constant chal-
lenge to shorten the time cycle for systems
development, while at the same time making
maximum use of the potential of technology,
This problem is not unique to the military.
To the businessman it might take the form
of the following two questions: Do we want
to use today's technology and hardware to
build a product that may be equal to or
perhaps marginally superior to our competi-
tor's products, but which is available rela-
tively soon? Or do we want to assume a
certain risk and build a product which will
require some new technology but which will
be definitely superior to the products our
competitors are building?.
To translate these questions into the lan-
guage of military systems development, the
first approach might be called the use of
"hardware building blocks." The second
would then be called the use of "technologi-
cal building blocks."
Each of these approaches has certain ad-
vantages and certain drawbacks. The use of
hardware building blocks minimizes the
technological and economic risks, but at the
same time it introduces the real risk of early
obsolescence. This may not only be danger-
ous from a military point of view, but may
actually cost more money in the long run.
The use of technological building blocks, on
the other hand, involves technical risk, but
it was this approach which enabled us to
create today's superior ballistic missile force
in time to meet the Soviet ICBM challenge.
Future challenges may very well demand that
we follow the same approach. With today's
broad spectrum of technology and its con-
tinuing evolution, there is no doubt that
technical superiority is combat superiority.
We must strive to attain the best balance
between hardware and technological build-
ing blocks, between concurrent and sequen-,
tial activities, and among the often conflict-
ing considerations of time, cost, technical
risk, and operational requirements. We can
attain this balance only if we remain clear
about the results we need to achieve.
The most important result of this evolu,
tion in Air Force management is the stra-
tegic superiority which our Nation enjoys
today. But there are also a number of sub-
stantial side benefits. Let me mention a few
of them. First, by relying on the total re-
sources to be found within the scientific
and industrial community, we have avoided
the buildup of a multibillion-dollar Gov-
ernment network of facilities. Second, we
have encouraged and maintained a strong,
competent, up-to-date industrial base com-
posed of all areas of technical endeavor.
Third, we have insured that healthy indus-
trial competition is always available and
flourishes in such specialized fields as guid-
ance, propulsion, reentry vehicles, and so
forth. In this way we have not only con-
tributed to building the industrial base for
our national space program but have also
fostered numerous commercial applications
of new technology.
Thus the management. approach which
evolved in the ICBM development effort not
only achieved its objective of creating a
superior missile force, but at the same time
provided a direct input to the national econ-
omy. This fact is worth noting, because we
live in an age when neither the military nor
the economic aspects of national security
can be considered in isolation. Our objec-
tive must be superior military strength and
a strong economy; both are essential to our
overall national security.
Effective SE/TD is still an essential part of
system management. We have found that
the best way to remove any question as to
the complete objectivity and impartiality of
the systems engineering/technical direction
contractor is to assign the SE/TD function
to a nonprofit, nonhardwase producing or-
ganization. Furthermore, the use of the
SE/TD contractor is selective. Where the
technical complexity and the systems inte-
gration problems do not require unusual
capability across the broad spectrum of
scientific disciplines, we follow the more
traditional methods of systems acquisition.
The challenges of the future will certainly
call for further innovations to cope with the
complex and demanding tasks ahead of us.
These innovations are not to be feared, but
welcomed. I do not believe that we shall
ever reach a perfectly static set of manage-
ment procedures, any more than we will ever
prevent technology from moving ahead.
Contrary to what some people may say, tech-
nology has not reached a "plateau." Ac-
tually it continues to move forward rapidly,
and we must work to keep our technological
leadership. We must maintain the techno-
logical superiority that is the key to national
security. Our management practices must
be geared to encourage this superiority.
This is the challenge facing all of us. It
is clear that computer technology will make
possible far-reaching changes in manage-
ment. In only a few years it has already
had a significant impact on the way we do
business--both in the Government and in
industry.
We must make sure, however, that the tail
does not begin to wag the dog. The goal of
management is not merely to evolve toward
more complex and more involved methods of
procedure. Its. objective is not just some
theoretical model of completeness and effi-
ciency. Quite simply, its only aim is to get
the job done-with speed, effectiveness, and
economy. Furthermore, it must enable us
to do the job within the framework of our
democratic goals and values.
This is the principle which the Air Force
has followed in its development of systems
management. It has frequently led us to
evolve new concepts, and we have not been
afraid to depart from tradition. I think the
results fully justify this approach, and I am
certain that it will be required to meet the
challenges of the future.
PRESIDENT'S PROPOSED AGRICUL-
TURAL LEGISLATION
Mr. HARTKE. Mr. President, in a
very short time, the President will have
submitted proposed agricultural legisla-
tion for consideration by Congress.
Every year, I receive considerable mail,
and a volume of telephone calls and. tele-
grams, directed to questions or sugges-
tions concerning farm programs-rang-
ing from how to make them better to
how to get rid of them entirely. I am
certain that all Senators enjoy a similar
experience.
I have been struck by certain facts
and considerations that run through
these letters, and which recur in meet-
ings and discussions I hold with various
groups and delegations. These are items,
incidentally, that are evident each year
when farm legislation is considered.
There is still a high level of misunder-
standing between various segments of
the urban and rural populations. It is
not clearly recognized by all that their
ties are close, that interrelationships are
continuous and vital, and that even in
this age of specialization each is wholly
dependent upon the other.
These are not alien worlds. While
certain facets of the daily mode of life
may vary, both segments assume and
carry responsibilities that would be
meaningless without the other. The oc-
cupational skills and workload of the
farm, urban or city dweller may be ex-
tremely different but each needs the
expertise and help of the other to sur-
vive.
The efforts and output of each are
inexpugnably entwined in the national
welfare. A metropolitan and industrial
nation, no matter how strong, could be
reduced to a second-rate power, even a
debtor nation, without a continuous- and
even flow of wholesome food supplies.
A nation dominated by agricultural in-
terests could only fail to reach its maxi-
mum capabilities in growth and outlook.
This Nation has been blessed with a
strong and responsive agriculture, and
with a viable industrial and business
complex. The interests, activities, bene-
fits, and burdens of each blend together.
Six million American workers are
needed to supply the farmer with tools,
machines, materials, and services for
food and fiber production. Farmers
bought $41 billion worth of goods and
services in 1963-$29 billion for produc-
tion supplies, and $12 billion for services.
Ten million workers transport, proc-
ess, manufacture, and sell farm goods.
In 1961, manufacturers of food products
alone had 1.7 million employees and a
payroll of $8.4 billion.
With ever-increasing efficiency, the
American farmer now produces enough
food for himself and 31 others. We
spend only about 19 percent of our take-
home pay for food. Britishers spend
about 29 percent, Russians 40 percent or
more.
Many a factory worker lives in a rural
community or is a part-time farmer;
many a farmowner lives in town or is
a' part-time factory worker. Many a
farmer enters the business world when
he retails, his product, sets up his own
processing operation, or becomes a stock-
holder in an allied industry. Many a
city dweller has an interest in a family
farm or is a gentleman farmer who re-
ceives the benefits of commodity and
conservation programs.
Examples of the interrelation of rural
and urban interests are many and varied.
To deny an interdependence is to beg the
issue. To misunderstand this fact brings
forth criticism from urban interests that
are not wholly merited by the farmer.
It brings forth indignation from the
farmer that should not be directed spe-
cifically to the city dweller.
One thing is certain, however: With-
out an abundance of food, and the means
and services to move it to market, both
rural and urban consumers would be pay-
ing high and premium prices for many
a commodity, and a disastrous spiral of
inflation would be started.
The second fact that emerges is that,
as with no other segment of our econ-
omy, agriculture is the least equipped to
bring its individual or cumulative pro-
duction into line with demand so that
farm income reflects an equitable return
on investment. In no other segment of
the economy is there less consensus on
how to meet the problem.
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Agriculture speaks with a babble of
voices. Each commodity group seem-
ingly considers Itself a separate entity
and evidences little consideration for
the others-although their mutual aims
are basically the same. Within each
commodity group are the divergent in-
terests of producers and the allied in-
terests-the processors, manufacturers,
mills, and what-have-you. Add to this
a general distrust by geographical
regions, and muddied waters only be-
come darker.
Also, it is apparent that, all claims
withstanding, no agricultural group or
organization-and certainly no national
farm association-speaks for agriculture.
Considerable criticism has been voiced
about the complexities of commodity
programs. The farmer in Indiana, who
for the most part has diversified opera-
tions, is particularly sensitive on this
point-and I suggest rightly so. But I
suggest also that any legislation adopted
by the Congress Is mandated by the very
condition it reflects, Until clear and
simplified mandates are received from
within agriculture, then the legislation
that agriculture seeks can only meet the
many and diverse claims that it makes.
A third point is that price support pro-
grams, initiated by the Congress in the
public interest and for the national wel-
fare, have been tarred by some with the
black brush of handout to the point that
this type of subsidy, if it is a true sub-
sidy, has been distorted to a caricature of
its basic meaning.
The concept and intent-in fact, the
reality-of price-support operations is
that of dollar and cent values placed
upon eligible commodities which reflect
a minimum fair value to the farmer only
when, and if, he places that commodity
under loan. Price-support programs do
not guarantee a profit to any farmer.
The accumulation of commodity stocks
by the Government that began to become
burdensome and costly during the
1950's-and with certain commodities at
the present time--can be attributed pri-
marily to the aversion within agriculture
to place restrictions upon yield. Of what
value are general acreage restrictions
when yields per acre for all the major
commodities are annually surpassing
previous records?
Be that as it may, the fact remains
that those portions of farm programs
that may be considered subsidy-type
operations are not limited to agriculture
in our economic system. They are
unique only in that they are the most
open to public scrutiny and the most
susceptible to criticism.
I believe that It should be borne in
mind, too, that commodity programs are
not outright payments for mere services
rendered. They are basically loan pro-
grams. in which a specified commodity is
pledged as collateral. Takeover by the
Government occurs when the loan Is de-
faulted. Land diversion and retirement
features of farm programs are predi-
cated upon conservation principles which
protect our national resources. All are
designed to meet a definite need at min-
imal cost-not only for the farmer but
also for all taxpayers.
For those individuals and groups in-
terested in farm legislation, I would
commend, and recommend the reading
of "Farm Programs and Dynamic Forces
in Agriculture," which was prepared by
the Legislative Research Service of the
Library of Congress and transmitted to
the Committee on Agriculture and
Forestry, U.S. Senate. This document
was ordered to be printed and appears
under date of February 4. 1965, 89th
Congress, 1st session.
I find it Interesting to note in this
detailed and objective report that, in the
absence of price-support programs In the
years 1961-65, net farm Income would
have declined by one-half, to about $6
billion a year. In addition to some $6
billion annual losses in farm income,
farmers also would have experienced de-
creases of several billion dollars a year In
farmland values-rather than the in-
creases which occurred.
It is also interesting to note In con-
nection with these observations that
similar conclusions were reached by
study groups of Iowa State University,
Pennsylvania State University, and
Oklahoma State University.
It is possibly true that, as charged,
certain inequities may exist in present
price-support legislation-that many
benefits accrue to the larger operators,
that the higher productive farm units
use support programs as a hedge for
their overproduction, and that the
smallest farm units are not given suffi-
cient legislation protection and incentive.
If these charges are true, then I be-
lieve that due consideration should be
given to realining support mechanisms
so that the national interest is served to
the fullest.
The fourth point Is that considerable
interest has been created over proposed
rural development programs and in con-
nection with resource development pro-
grams. These are needed and long-
awaited proposals. Many benefits have
already been derived. Many added
benefits will undoubtedly be forthcoming.
However, I suggest that, insofar as our
basic concern is for a strong agriculture,
we do not get the cart before the horse-
and relegate the growing of crops to a
mere contingency of rural affairs.
The reason for being of a farmer-
large or small-is to grow a needed com-
modity at a profit which will assure an
adequate and even flow of food and
fiber to market, and at a fair price to the
consumer.
A strong rural America, with an ag-
gressive rural development, rests firmly
on a sound and progressive onfarm
economy.
The farmer needs to avail himself of
all that is part and parcel of our high
sta:.dard of living. Rural America needs
to avail itself of all the advantages and
incentives that are encompassed in the
principles of the Great Society.
But a clear line of understanding must
be maintained between those programs
directed primarily at increasing the pur-
chasing power, and the bargaining
power, of the farmer and those designed
solely to supplement these programs, or
as vehicles to aid those farmers forced
off the land for want of income.
A fifth point is that I find it paradoxi-
cal and tragic that the Department of
Agriculture should become the whipping
post for so much undue criticism. As
the saying goes, "It is flayed if it does,
and peeled if It does not."
I make the point that many harsh
evaluations of the Department are due
to misunderstandings of its role and
function.
Perhaps no other department of Gov-
ernment administers so many programs
that affect consumers. Certainly, this
Department is second to none in its day-
to-day concern and efforts to protect and
to further the national Interests.
A sixth and final point is that the value
of agriculture has been downgraded and
the image of agriculture has become
blurred. I am afraid that much of the
fault lies within agriculture itself.
Many within agriculture are now voic-
ing concern that changing population
trends, the growth of metropolitan areas,
and the increased representation from
urban areas will have an adverse effect
on agricultural legislation. There is
concern that the voice of rural America
will be lost in the hurly-burly sounds of
megalopolis and that the votes will be
cast only on the basis of urban interests
versus rural need.
I suggest that this is a false and short-
sighted view. I have not supported all
farm legislation proposed, but it was not
because those city people I represent
recommended that the farmer be written
off the books.
Whether or not farm legislation as
presented this year is acceptable to the
majority of the Senate remains to be
seen. It will be neither accepted nor
voted down, however, on the simple basis
of rural vote against urban vote. It will
be considered on its merits, and on the
basis of fact, need, and feasibility as
presently known.
Mr. President, I suggest the absence of
a quorum.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The
clerk will call the roll.
Mr. ALLOTT. Mr. President, I ask
unanimous consent that the order for
the quorum call be rescinded.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. With-
out objection, it is so ordered.
EXPORT SALES OF CATTLE TO
ITALY
Mr. ALLOTT. Mr. President, a short
time ago Mr. Joseph McCaffrey, In tele-
vision comments, spoke about the cattle
Industry. The substance of it was that
the Secretary of Agriculture is about to
deprive the United States of what had
been building Into a lucrative cattle ex-
port business, at a time when this coun-
try is desperately in need of increased
overseas trade.
The problem is that the cattle must
have health certificates, and as Mr.
McCaffrey points out:
The health certificate now provided by the
Department of Agriculture contains spaces
for 18 head of cattle on a single sheet of
paper. When a shipment of 500 heifers or
cows is exported to Italy. they may be sold
to as many as 500 Individual buyers. Each
cow must have a certificate to accompany
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A motion to reconsider
the table.
FEDERAL. METAL AND NONMETAL-
LIC MINE: SAFETY ACT
Mr. POWELL. Mr. Speaker, I move
that the House resolve itself into the
Committee of the Whole House on the
State of the Union for the consideration
of the bill (H.R. 8989) to promote health
and safety in metal and nonmetallic
mineral industries, and for other pur-
poses.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The
question is on the motion offered by
the gentleman from New York.
The motion was agreed to.
IN THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE
Accordingly, the House resolved itself
into the Committee of the Whole House
on the State of the Union for the consid-
eration of the bill H.R. 8989, with Mr.
MONAGAN in the chair.
The Clerk read the title of the bill.
By unanimous consent, the first read-
ing of the bill was dispensed with.
Mr. POWELL. Mr. Chairman, I yield
myself such time as I may desire.
Mr. Chairman, before making any fur-
ther remarks I would like to say that the
area of jurisdiction over this particular
matter Is a little bit clouded. Many of
the items in here belong to the Com-
mittee on Interior and Insular Affairs. I
had the privilege of serving as subcom-
mittee chairman of the Committee on
Mines, even though the only mines we
had were subways.
I would like to say that the distin-
guished chairman of that committee, the
gentleman from Colorado, was one-of the
major persons affecting my life by ap-
pointing me to be chairman of that com-
mittee.
I would like to thank the gentleman
from Colorado publicly for this as I' have
thanked him privately.
I would like to say that the gentleman
from Colorado, the chairman of the Com-
mittee on Interior and Insular Affairs,
and the gentleman from Oklahoma [Mr.
EDMONDSON), have presented to the com-
mittee certain very valuable amend-
ments. We are accepting those amend-
ments. The distinguished author of the
bill, the gentleman from Michigan [Mr.
?O'HARAI, of our committee, will present
these amendments for Mr. ASPINALL and
Mr. EDmoNDsoN. But I just want the
RECORD to show that these amendments
originated from their committee and we
think they will help the bill tremendous-
ly.
Mr. Chairman, the purpose of H.R.
8989 is to reduce the high accident rate
and improve health and safety conditions
in mining and milling operations In the
metal and nonmetallic mineral indus-
tries.
It establishes a Federal-State pro-
gram of systematic inspection of opera-
tions affecting commerce and requires
the development, promulgation, and en-
forcement of health and safety stand-
ards. The bill would provide for the
Secretary of the Interior to Inspect and
investigate all mines, other than coal or
lignite; a mine being an area of land
nonliquid form, or if in liquid form,
extracted with workers underground.
This definition also includes private
roads appurtenant to such an area, ex-
cavations, underground passageways, and
structures and equipment used in ex-
tracting minerals or in milling them.
'I,he bill authorizes the Secretary to
make inspections and investigations as
he may consider necessary to obtain in-
formation on health and safety, to de-
termine the extent of compliance with
the health and safety standards under
the act, and to evaluate the manner in
which an approved State plan is being
carried out. In addition, the Secretary
is required to inspect annually or at more
frequent intervals each underground
mine subject to this proposed act, except
in mines located in States with approved
State plans.
Mine operators will be required to sub-
mit annual reports concerning accidents,
injuries, occupational disease, and re-
lated information.
Other provisions include enforcement
of the mandatory standards, appeal by
the mine operators, definition of the
criminal penalties, and direction for a
program of health and safety education.
The need for the bill has been amply
demonstrated before the committee. In-
terest in legislation to reduce the acci-
dent rate in mines was demonstrated by
the committee in 1956 when a specially
appointed subcommittee held hearings on
bills proposed to extend Federal inspec-
tion to metallic and nonmetallic mines.
In 1961 the Select Subcommittee on
Labor held similar hearings; these hear-
ings resulting in Public Law 87-300 which
directed the Secretary of the Interior
to conduct a study on health and safety
hazards and report his findings to Con-
gress. A study conducted by the Mine
Safety Board showed a widespread exist-
ence of correctable hazards in metallic
and nonmetallic mines.
As I did in the coal mine safety legis-
lation recently passed by the House, I
strongly urge the passage of this im-
portant piece of legislation which will
improve the conditions under which
these miners work, and demonstrate to
them the high value that the Members
of Congress place on their lives.
There was no opposition expressed by
any committee member to this legisla-
tion.
Mr. Chairman, I yield such time as he
may desire to the gentleman from Mich-
igan [Mr. O'HARAI, the author of this leg-
islation and a member of the Select Sub-
comittee on Labor which developed H.R.
8989, and who has proven through the
years to be a valuable strong right arm
to the chairman, Mr. O'HARA.
(Mr. HOLLAND (at the request of Mr.
O'HARA of Michigan) was granted per-
mission to extend his remarks at this
point.)
Mr. HOLLAND. Mr. Chairman, it is a
source of great satisfaction to me to see
H.R. 8989, the Federal Metal and Non-
metallic Mine Safety Act, come. before.
this House today. Almost 25 years have
gone by since the Congress first enacted
legislation to protect the men who work
in the Nation's coal: mines. Now, after
this lapse of almost a quarter of a cen-
tury, we are finally acting to extend pro-
tection. to the rest of our mineworkers-
to the men who labor in our copper, Iron,
uranium, and other mines, under con-
ditions that we all know to be excep-
tionally hazardous.
During the years of struggle to bring
this protection to miners outside the
coal, industry, members serving on the
Committee on Education and Labor have
attended many days of hearings and
studied volumes of reports and state-
ments on the question of the need for
Federal mine safety legislation. This
question has been given exhaustive anal-
ysis, and the legislation before us today
is the product of the most careful con-
sideration. In 1956, in 1961, and again
this Year, representatives of the workers
in these mines have come before the
committee, asking that the Congress act,
and act effectively, to cut down the in-
tolerably high rate of deaths and in-
juries incurred by miners. Their testi-
mony on the hazards of the miner's oc-
cupation is spread across page after
page of the hearings record that has
been built up over these years, and any
Member who turns' to 'this record will
find detailed there a saddening account
of the suffering experienced by mine-
workers, and by their wives and chil-
dren, from accidents and from crippling
occupational diseases that could have
should have been prevented. If every
mine operator had, over these years, been
as concerned with the health and safety
of his workers as are our most consicen-
tious operators-and if every State had
put into its mine safety program the re-
sources that are required for an ade-
quate program-then many men would
have been saved from early and violent
deaths, and many others from injuries
and diseases that have left them incap-
able of supporting themselves and their
families.
Let us not forget the host of workers
in our mines who have paid a terrible
price for our failure to act firmly, years
ago, to give them the coverage of a com-
prehensive code of health and safety
standards, backed up by effective en-
forcement machinery. We are here to-
day, at long last, to remedy that failure.
It is true that spokesmen for mine
operators have told us that Federal leg-
islation in the field of mine safety is
superfluous. Indeed, they have never de-
viated from this line. The vast majority
of deaths and injuries suffered by miners,
they have argued, are-and presumably
always will be-the result of the workers'
own carelessness. Let the worker be
more alert and cautious, as he loads ore
or drills into a rock face in a tunnel
hundreds of feet below the earth's sur-
face-this is their prescription. Safety
laws and periodic mine inspections, they
imply, can accomplish little or nothing,
since safety rests ultimately upon the
responsibility of the individual worker
to avoid stupid or reckless behavior that
can injure himself or his fellow workers.
This implied attitude toward safety
legislation has more than a slight simi-
larity to the attitude of those who tell
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man's reservations have been cleared up
since that time.
But in any event, Mr. Speaker, I
wanted to call this to the attention of
the House so the Members will have the
privilege of listening to the gentleman
when he expresses his opinion relative
to this bill.
Mr. Speaker, I know of no objection to
the rule and I urge the adoption of the
rule.
Mr. YOUNG. Mr. Speaker, I move the
previous question.
The previous question was ordered.
The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr.
ALBERT). The question is on the reso-
lution.
The resolution was agreed to.
A motion to reconsider was laid on the
table.
EQUIP
Mr. YOUNG. Mr.`Speaker, by direc-
tion of the Committee on Rules I call up
House Resolution 550 and ask for its
immediate consideration.
The Clerk read as follows :
H. Has. 550
Resolved. That upon the adoption of this
resolution It shall be in order to move that
the House resolve itself Into the Committee
of the Whole House on the State of the
Union for the consideration of the bill (H.R.
4845) to provide for the economic and ef-
ficient purchase, lease, maintenance, opera-
tion, and utilization of automatic data pro-
cessing equipment by Federal departments
and agencies. After general debate, which
shall be confined to the bill and shall con-
tinue not to exceed one hour, to be equally
divided and controlled by the chairman and
ranking minority member of the Committee
on Government Operations, the bill shall be
read for amendment under the five-minute
rule. At the conclusion of the consideration
of the bill for amendment, the Committee
shall rise and report the bill to the House
with such amendments as may have been
adopted, and the previous question shall be
considered as ordered on the bill and amend-
ments thereto to final passage without Inter-
vening motion except one motion to recom-
mit.
Mr. YOUNG. Mr. Speaker. I yield 30
minutes to the gentleman from Nebraska
I Mr. MARTIN] and pending that I yield
myself such time as I may consume.
t Mr. YOUNG asked and was given per-
mission to revise and extend his re-
marks.)
Mr. YOUNG. Mr. Speaker. House
Resolution 550 provides an open rule with
1 hour of general debate for considera-
tion of H.R. 4845. a bill to amend title I
of the Federal Property and Administra-
tive Services Act of 1949 to provide for
the economic and efficient purchase,
lease, maintenance, operation, and utili-
zation of automatic data processing
equipment by Federal departments and
agencies.
H.R. 4845 would provide a continuous
flow of recurring data needed for effec-
tive and efficient management. Present-
ly the Bureau of the Budget issues only
an annual inventory report wholly inade-
quate for automatic data processing
management purposes. Inventory and
fiscal information Is needed to maintain
policy and budgetary control, increase
utilization, and provide more economical
acquisition of equipment. Under this
legislation, GSA would establish such a
comprehensive inventory. This inven-
tory coupled with the fiscal information
flowing from the operations of the revolv-
ing fund would afford all levels of gov-
ernment with more adequate information
necessary for effective and efficient man-
agement. The availability of Informa-
tion on prospective Government require-
ments should also provide for fairer com-
petition among all automatic data proc-
essing manufacturers.
There is widespread waste In available
but unused Government automatic data
processing equipment time. On June 16,
1964, the Bureau of the Budget set up an
automatic data processing sharing pro-
gram under GSA. This legislation
would, however, substantially Improve
the effectiveness and efficiency of GSA's
interagency coordinating efforts. GSA
would also be authorized to establish
multiagency service centers to furnish
automatic data processing capacity to
several users.
H.R. 4845 would strengthen the Gov-
ernment's bargaining position in acquir-
ing automatic data processing. The
Government now obtains no special ad-
vantages as a volume purchaser. Under
the GSA supply schedules, price deter-
minations and procurement are divorced.
To obtain volume discounts, the Govern-
ment must have volume procurement
rather than a piecemeal agency-by-
agency procurement.
The traditionally accepted solution to
this type of problem has been the "single
purchaser" concept. The Government
would be In a stronger bargaining posi-
tion were all Its automatic data process-
ing purchase and lease money in "one
pocket." Whenever feasible, general
purpose components, Including those
used in specially designed automatic data
processing systems, would be acquired
under a volume procurement program.
Government software acquisition could
also be subjected to more orderly pro-
curement procedures.
The revolving fund would be used to
consolidate volume acquisitions. GSA
would acquire the automatic data proc-
essing systems selected by the manage-
ment of the agencies and, in effect, the
agencies would then lease equipment
from the GSA revolving fund reimburs-
ing the fund periodically at rates reflect-
ing the use value of the equipment. GSA
could obtain direct appropriations cover-
ing overhead expenses incident to oper-
ating the revolving fund.
H.R. 4845 delineates the responsibil-
ities of the Bureau of the Budget, GSA,
and the Department of Commerce and
provides a stronger organization plan for
Government automatic data processing
management. The bill maintains the
Budget Bureau's traditional control over
fiscal and policy matters.
Mx. Speaker. I urge the adoption of
House Resolution 550.
Mr. MARTIN of Nebraska. Mr.
Speaker, I yield myself such time as I
may consume.
(Mr. MARTIN of Nebraska asked and
was given permission to revise and ex-
tend his remarks.)
Mr. MARTIN of Nebraska. Mr.
Speaker, as the able gentleman from
Texas has explained House Resolution
550 makes in order the consideration
of H.R. 4845 under an open rule with 1
hour of debate. I know of no opposition
to the rule.
Mr. Speaker, automatic data process-
ing has become a major expense item in
all large businesses today; the Federal
Government is no exception. Last year
automatic data processing costs totaled
over $3 billion, or 3 percent of the budget.
These costs will continue to grow in the
normal course of events. Because of
this, It is necessary that the Government
take steps to insure that it Is getting as
much for its dollar as possible.
To insure this result, the Bureau of
the Budget began a major study in 1958,
which stressed the need for government-
wide coordination and accurate informa-
tion for all levels of management. A
subsequent study this year made these
same points. Since 1959 the General
Accounting Office has issued about 100
reports revealing serious shortcomings
in the acquisition and use of automatic
data processing equipment.
H.R. 4845 seeks to remove some of
these shortcomings. It delineates the
responsibilities of the Bureau of the
Budget. GSA, and the Department of
Commerce, and provides for a stronger
organization plan for use of automatic
data processing. The Bureau of the
Budget retains its control over fiscal
and policy matters. GSA retains its
traditional sphere over operational re-
sponsibilities. Additionally GSA will ad-
minister an automatic data processing
revolving fund which will provide more
adequ'hte information for management
decisions, optimum utilization of equip-
ment. and economic acquisition of equip-
ment.
The bill will consolidate Government
procurement and so strengthen its hand
in negotiations with manufacturers.
The GSA, using the revolving fund, will
procure the equipment needed by vari-
ous agencies and, in effect, lease the
equipment to the agencies, who will re-
imburse the revolving fund. it is ex-
pected that these new procedures will
make for fuller and more economic use
of automatic data processing equipment.
There are additional views, signed by
eight members, which concur in the ob-
vious need for the bill as reflected in the
numerous GSA reports. The opposition
is to the special exemption treatment
afforded by amendments which exempt
from the bill the contractors in the aero-
space programs. The members urge a
study now of this situation and the in-
clusion of the contractors under this leg-
islation If the hearings indicate the need.
They support the bill as presented to the
House today.
Mr. Speaker, I know of no objection
to the rule and urge its adoption.
Mr. YOUNG. Mr. Speaker, I move
the previous question.
The previous question was ordered.
The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr.
ALBERT). The question is on the resolu-
tion.
The resolution was agreed to.
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surrounding such properties could be kept in
good repair.
"It is estimated, as far as buildings under
the, custody and control of GSA. are con-
cerned, that the additional expenditures ne-
cessitated by enactment of this legislation
would average approximately $50,000 an-
nually. According to the Administrator of
GSA, the additional expenditures should be
offset to some extent by reduction of Gov-
ernment tort liability resulting from elimina-
tion of hazardous sidewalk conditions.
"HOUSE AMENDMENT
"The bill, as introduced, would cover only
those buildings for which GSA. is responsible.
This would include an estimated 1,700 of the
approximately 4,900 federally owned build-
ings. The Bureau of the Budget recom-
mended that the bill be amended to author-
ize the heads of all Government agencies to
repair and replace sidewalks around federally
owned building sites and installations. GSA
concurred in the amendment.
"The bill as reported to the Senate contains
the amendment as recommended by the ad-
ministration and approved by the House of
Representatives."
My BYRD of West Virginia subse-
quently said: Mr. President, I move to
reconsider the vote by which the bill-
H.R. 9830 was passed.
Mr. MUNDT. Mr. President, I move
to lay that motion on the table.
The motion to lay on the table was
agreed to.
Mr. BYRD of West Virginia. Mr.
President, I suggest the absence of a
quorum.
The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. MoN-
ToYA in the chair). The clerk will call
the roll.
The legislative clerk proceeded to call
the roll.
Mr. BYRD of West Virginia. Mr.
President, I ask unanimous consent that
the order for the quorum call be re-
scinded.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. W.
USE OF AUTOMATIC DATA PROC-
ESSING EQUIPMENT BY FEDERAL
DEPARTMENT AND AGENCIES'
Mr. JACKSON. Mr. President, I send
to the desk the report of the Committee
on Government Operations on H.R. 4845,
and ask unanimous consent that it. be
laid before the Senate and made the
pending business.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The
bill will be stated by title for the infor-
mation of the Senate.
The LEGISLATIVE CLERK. A bill (H.R.
4845) to provide for the economic and
efficient purchase, lease, maintenance,
operation, and utilization of automatic
data processing equipment by Federal
departments and agencies.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is there
objection to the present consideration of
the bill?
There being no objection, the Senate
proceeded to consider the bill.
Mr. JACKSON. Mr. President, the
pending bill (H.R. 4845) would central-
ize the purchasing, leasing, maintenance,
operation, and utilization of automatic
data processing equipment, used by the
Federal agencies, in the General Services
Administration.
The purpose of this legislation is to
bring about more efficient use of the data
processing equipment that, is now avail-
able in the various agencies of the Gov-
ernment. It is said that this legislation
should save millions of dollars in costs
to the Government by maximizing in a
more efficient manner the use of the
existing data processing equipment which
has now proliferated through many if
not all the executive agencies. Special
provision, however, is made to take care
of the situation in agencies that deal
with the national security, such as the
Department of Defense, NASA, and other
necessary exceptions.
Mr. President, the bill passed the
House on September 2, 1965. It has the
support of the Government Operations
Committee, and I ask for its passage.
Mr. MUNDT. May I say to my dis-
tinguished friend, the Senator from
Washington, who is the acting chairman
of the Committee on Government Oper-
ations this evening, that before his de-
parture for home, Senator MCCLELLAN
called me and asked me to try to round
up the Republican Members to sign a
poll, in order to be able to bring the bill
out and report it an the floor. I am par-
ticularly allergic to the polling procedure
for passing legislation. I had some re-
luctance in doing that, but was persuaded
because it seems to me we should have
a little better policy for dealing with new
electronic and computing devices. I
I should therefore like to have reassur-
ance from the acting chairman that I
have a correct understanding of the bill.
First, does this proposal have the ap-
proval of the Bureau of the Budget?
Mr. JACKSON. The Senator is cor-
rect.
Mr. MUNDT. Second, it does not
mean that we are going automatically
tomatic computing machines, but will
result in a careful study and survey
which, at the end of the road, should en-
able us more intelligently to decide
whether outright purchase or leasing is
the best situation so far as the Govern-
ment is concerned; is that not correct?
Mr. JACKSON. The Senator is cor-
rect. As I understand the situation, the
Federal agencies have been managing,
operating and handling their own data
processing equipment. The result has
been, in many instances, that Agency A
will not make full use of its data process-
ing equipment, whereas another agency
may be overusing or taxing its available
data process equipment, and then would
have to obtain new equipment when there
is already equipment within the execu-
tive agencies of the Government which
could be utilized by that agency.
Therefore, the burden of the effort,
as I understand, is that there is plenty
of data processing equipment, but it
seems to me that a great deal of the
equipment is not being fully and effi-
ciently utilized. Therefore, as it has
been presented to us, it is estimated
that this measure will save us approxi-
mately $60 to $100 million. Even if we
saved only $5 million, it would be a
worthwhile effort and one which we
should certainly try to make.
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Mr. MUNDT. If it would save any
money at all, it would be a shocking ex-
ception to the rule, so far as Congress
is concerned, and I certainly would ap-
plaud such economy.
Mr. JACKSON. We are not author-
izing any additional expenditures here.
Mr. MUNDT. Mr. President, I sat at
the conference in the Appropriations
Committee where we had a rather siza-
ble appropriation dealing with this
whole area, and we substantially reduced
it primarily because the so-called Brooks
bill had not been acted upon. It was
felt by many of the conferees that it
should be acted upon and that we should
have the information available. The
studies which will ensue therefrom will
guide us in knowing whether appropria-
tions should bemade for new equipment.
I would hope, Mr. President, and I
should like the legislative history to so
record, that out of this action would
come a report to Congress,. to the Appro-
priations Committee, and to Members
generally, as to whether it is in the Gov-
ernment's interest primarily to purchase
the equipment outright and then to hire
the maintenance crews who would repair
and maintain the equipment, or whether.
there would be more economy in leasing
it from the companies which manufac-
ture it and who in turn would provide
for it maintenance.
Certainly, I do not know the answer.
The committee does not know the an-
swer. We are not going to find the an-
swer merely by sitting here and waiting.
The proposed legislation, I believe, will
move in the direction of providing us
with answers of that kind. This is a fast
developing field. Senators know that
they have placed automatic equipment of
one kind or another in their offices, and
the next year someone invents something
very much better, and they are stuck
with the old equipment. That is another
factor to be considered in deciding
whether to purchase the equipment or
lease it; but I believe I am correct in my
assumption that out of the action we
take in the Senate tonight, if we approve
the legislation-and I have a feeling that
we shall-we will get a report which can
guide our actions in the future.
Mr. JACKSON. I should also like to
suggest, and I know the distinguished
Senator from South Dakota would agree,
that we should be advised as to whether
the proposed legislation-which central-
izes the management and direction of
the equipment in the hands of the Gen-
eral Services Administration-will result
in full and better utilization of the ma-
chines, whether they are leased or pur-
chased.
Mr. MUNDT. That is very good.
Mr. JACKSON. Therefore, it is not
merely the leasing and selling alone, but
I am sure the Senator would agree that
we also wish to make sure there is no
duplication involved, that full utiliza-
tion is made within all the agencies
of the Government before they go out
and lease or purchase new quipment.
Mr. MUNDT. The Senator is correct.
It should be used. It is expensive equip-
ment. It costs too much to have it sit-
ting around not being used.
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Mr. President, in that connection I
have some happy news for Members of
the Senate, in that when we were discus-
sing this matter in the supplemental ap-
propriation. I inquired of representatives
of the GSA, who have custody of much
of the equipment, whether this was
something which was merely being pro-
vided for the executive agencies of the
Government alone or whether; perhaps,
congressional committees and even Sen-
ators and Representatives could also
have access to all this "hifalutin' " ma-
chinery.
I did not know whether it would
create a situation where we would have
jet age electronic machines for calcula-
tion purposes in the executive branch
and Congress would still have its horse
and buggy, pencil-eraser kind of proce-
dure in House and Senate. I was given
encouragement to believe that reserve
equipment was available in order to keep
it busily in use.
As the Senator from Washington has
pointed out, certainty this Government
property should be open and available to
committees of the Senate and to individ-
ual members who might have reason to
use it. Therefore, I would hope that we
keep the wheels turning busily, if we
adopt the proposed legislation.
I am going to interpose no objection
to the adoption of the proposed legisla-
tion, but merely wish to register this
little "forensic pulp" as to the kind of
procedure we have to follow in polling a
committee. The Senate wishes to ad-
journ- The hour is late. The issue is
important. I am not going to make any
objection.
Mr. METCALF. Mr. President, will
the Senator from South Dakota yield?
The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr.
BYRD of West Virginia in the chair).
Does the Senator from South Dakota
yield to the Senator from Montana?
Mr. MUNDT. I yield.
Mr. METCALF. As a member of the
committee, I share the ideas of the Sen-
ator from South Dakota. As to polling
the committees, I feel that this is a
procedure which should be resorted to
only in extreme emergency situations.
However, along with the Senator from
South Dakota, I acquiesce in adoption of
the bill.
I should like to inform the Senator
from South Dakota, and the Senate, that
as a member of the Joint Committee for
Legislative Reorganization, under the
joint chairmanship of the Senator from
Oklahoma [Mr. MONRONEY], and Repre-
sentative Madden, we are going into this
question of the use of electronic devices.
I hope that early next year we will have
an extensive report on the use of these
devices which will save a good deal of
money for the Senate and the House of
Representatives, and at the same time
will give us more information as to all
problems with which Congress is con-
cerned.
I signed the poll today, as did the Sen-
ator from South Dakota, because this is
only the first step. Surely, next year,
when the committee of the Senator from
Oklahoma [Mr. MONEoNEYl makes its
report. we will need to have many more
electronic devices, computers, and so
on. for the use of the Appropriations
Committee, in order to have greater and
additional information for the Senate
and House of Representatives.
So I agree with the Senator from South
Dakota that this matter should be taken
rare of at this time, and later we shall
have further information about the use
of these and other devices.
Mr. MUNDT. The Senator from
South Dakota happily sits with the dis-
tinguished Senator from Montana on this
Reorganization Committee and it was
because of the testimony that we heard
there that I was inspired to ask GSA
about the use and availability of com-
puter machines for people working in
the Government, whether the legislative
or executive branch, because I was sur-
prised, as I am sure the Senator from
Montana was surprised, to hear some of
our colleagues in the House talk as if they
had some of these computer machines
in their own offices. This was a sur-
prise to me. I have never seen them. I
do not know how big or complicated they
may be, or whether they have whirling
wheels or flashing lights such as they
have at Las Vegas, but apparently they
have some that they are using, and I
thought perhaps we could gain some in-
formation.
Mr. METCALF. With reference to the
testimony about computers and the need
for electronic computers, not only is
there a need for this legislation before
us now, but there is a need for other
legislation so we can have computers and
other machines in our committees to give
us more information about appropria-
tions.
Mr. MUNDT. I am sure by the time
we conclude our hearings and make our
report we shall have information there
upon which to make recommendations.
To sum up. I am happy to report that
all the Republican Members have affixed
their names to this procedure, proving
that it is widely recognized that it is of
importance. The White House is in-
terested in it. I believe on the last day
of Congress it cannot be said that by
rubberstamping this legislation we will
be establishing a dangerous precedent
which will plague us In 1966.
Mr. JACKSON. Mr. President, will
the Senator yield?
Mr. MUNDT. I yield.
Mr. JACKSON. Will the Senator say
this was a bipartisan consensus?
Mr. MUNDT. Yes.
Mr. DIRKSEN. Mr. President, If the
Senator will yield, I understood there
were two bills before the committee, one
that delegated almost unlimited power
to GSA that virtually could not be con-
trolled by the Congress, and that the
committee did refine this bill so as to
leave a measure of control here. I trust
that is correct.
Mr. JACKSON. Mr. President, will the
Senator yield?
Mr. DIRKSEN. I yield.
Mr. JACKSON. The Senator Is cor-
rect. The bill the distinguished minority
leader referred to is the bill that was
in the Congress at the last session. The
bill we now have before us has been re-
fined, restricted, and confined to meet-
ing the problems we have discussed on
the floor this evening.
I can assure the Senator it Is my under-
standing this is simply an effort to try
to give centralized control to prevent
duplication, waste, and inefficiency that
has occurred in the use of data proces-
sing equipment of which there has been
a proliferation throughout the govern-
ment.
Mr. DIRKSEN. With that statement
I am sure I am in agreement.
Mr. YARBOROUGH. Mr. President,
will the Senator yield?
Mr. MUNDT. I yield.
Mr. YARBOROUGH. While this sub-
ject is being discussed, I would like to
refer to a related subject, that of com-
munications within the Senate itself. I
made the suggestion yesterday that we
install in the office of the chief of pages a
closed-circuit television system con-
nected to our offices so when the bells
ring we can see what it is for.
I have come to the conclusion that
we do not need to have the vision part,
but that if we just had what is commonly
called "squawk boxes," when the bells
ring we would be able to get in touch
with the cloakroom and find out what
the bells were for, rather than have Sen-
ators' offices tied up waiting to get in
touch with the cloakroom.
This kind of system is used in the
executive branch. There is no reason
why we cannot put this kind of electronic
communications system In the cloak
room and have it connected with an
audio system so it will expedite matters.
Mr. MUNDT. Is the Senator proposing
"squawk boxes" to be hooked up with the
White House so those in the White House
can communicate with the Senate or
Congress?
Mr. YARBOROUGH. My reference
was to an intercommunication system in
this body.
Mr. MUNDT. I am glad it was con-
fined to that. To the best of the knowl-
edge of the Senator from South Dakota,
communications between the White
House and the Senate and Congress are
pretty good-they are one way, but they
are pretty good.
Mr. YARBOROUGH. I am interested
only in getting a better communications
system in this branch. I think it would
expedite our business and prevent all
the delays that are caused when we try
to find out what the bells are all about.
Mr. TOWER. Mr. President, it is my
understanding that H.R. 4845 will in ef-
fect provide for efficient, businesslike,
governmentwide. coordinated manage-
ment of Federal automatic data proc-
essing equipment. I certainly support
the move here tonight so that this meas-
ure may be enacted into law.
When similar legislation was passed
by the House in 1963, there was some
opposition to it. However, since that
time, with the cooperation and assist-
ance of the Bureau of the Budget I un-
derstand that H.R. 4845 has now been
modified to meet the earlier objections.
This is a measure which the admin-
istration and the Bureau of the Budget
strongly support. The Bureau is con-
vinced that with the adoption of this
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measure, they will be able to do a much
better job in the management of this
costly equipment. GAO, as I understand,
has recommended replacement of pres-
ent automatic data processing manage-
ment procedures for some 7 years.
I am advised that cost of the present
management procedures now stands at
some $3 billion annually. I am further
advised that the Comptroller General has
estimated that through the coordinated
management program called for in H.R.
4845, possibly as much as $200 .million
annually can be saved.
I do indeed believe, Mr. President, that
this legislation will prove most worth-
while, and I certainly support it. I am
happy to note that this measure's pas-
sage is largely the result of much effort
and hard work by the distinguished Con-
gressman, JACK BROOKS, of Texas, chair-
man of the Government Activities Sub-
committee of the Government Opera-
tions Committee of the House.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The
bill is open to amendment.
If there be no amendment to be pro-
posed, the question is on the third read-
ing and passage of the bill.
The bill (H.R. 4845) was ordered to a
third reading, was read the third time,
and passed.
Mr. JACKSON. Mr. President, I move
that the vote by which the bill was passed
be reconsidered.
Mr. MUNDT. Mr. President, I move
to lay that motion on the table.
The motion to lay on the table was
agreed to.
Mr. DOUGLAS. Mr. President, I sug-
gest the absence of a quorum.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The
clerk will call the roll.
The legislative clerk proceeded to call
the roll.
Mr. MANSFIELD. Mr. President, I
ask unanimous consent that the order
for the quorum call be rescinded.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. With-
out objection, it is so ordered.
ORGANIZATION FOR ECONOMIC
COOPERATION
As in executive session,
Mr. MANSFIELD. Mr. President, I
ask unanimous consent that the Senate,
as in executive session, proceed to the
consideration of the nomination of
Philip H. Trezise, of Michigan, to be the
respresentative of the United States of
America to the Organization for Eco-
nomic Cooperation and Development.
The ACTING. PRESIDENT pro tem-
pore. Without objection, it is so ordered.
The nomination ? will be stated.
The legislative clerk read. the nomina-
tion of Philip A. Trezise to be the repre-
sentative of the United States of Amer-
ica, to the Organization for Economic
Cooperation.
The ACTING PRESIDENT pro tem-
pore. Without objection, the nomination
is confirmed; and the President will be
notified forthwith.
TO PRINT AS A SENATE DOCUMENT
A STUDY ENTITLED "THE ANTI-
VIETNAM AGITATION AND THE
TEACH-IN MOVEMENT"
Mr. MANSFIELD. Mr. President, I
ask that the Chair lay before the Senate
a message from the House on Senate
Concurrent Resolution 65.
The ACTING PRESIDENT pro tem-
pore laid before the Senate the amend-
ment of the House of Representatives to
the concurrent resolution (S. Con. Res.
65) to authorize the printing as a Senate
.document of 10,000 copies of a study en-
titled "The Anti-Vietnam Agitation and
the Teach-in Movement," prepared for
the use of the Subcommittee on Internal
Security of the Senate Committee on the
Judiciary, which was, in line 7, strike out
all after "printed" down through and
including "Judiciary." in line 9, and in-
sert "22,975 additional copies, of which
10,000 copies shall be for the use of the
Senate Committee on the Judiciary, 10,-
975 copies shall be for the use of the
House of Representatives, and 2,000
copies shall be for the House Document
Room."
Mr. MANSFIELD. Mr. President, I
move that the Senate concur in the
amendment of the House.
The motion was agreed to.
BENJAMIN A. RAMELB
Mr. MANSFIELD. Mr. President, I
ask that the Chair lay before the Senate
a message from the House of Repre-
sentatives on S. 149.
The ACTING PRESIDENT pro tem-
pore laid before the Senate the amend-
ments of the House of Representatives
to the bill (S. 149) for the relief of Ben-
jamin A. Ramelb, which were, on page
1, line 5, strike out "legal" and insert
"court-appointed"; on page 1, line 6,
strike out "$68,240" and insert "$50,000";
on page 2,. line 1, strike out "Act" and
insert "section", and on page 2, after
line 8, insert:
SEc. 2. That, additionally, the Secretary
of the Treasury is authorized and directed
to pay, out of any money in the Treasury
not otherwise appropriated, to Nicholas
Ramelb, father of Benjamin A. Ramelb, the
sum of $5,000 in full settlement of all his
claims against the United States for ex-
penses incurred in providing necessities for
his son, Benjamin A. Ramelb, since the said
Benjamin A. Ramelb attained his majority.
No part of the amount appropriated in this
section shall be paid or delivered to or re-
ceived by any agent or attorney on account
of services rendered in connection with this
claim, and the same shall be unlawful, any
contract to the contrary notwithstanding.
Any person violating the provisions of this
Act shall be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor
and upon conviction thereof shall be fined in
any sum not exceeding $1,000.
Mr. MANSFIELD. Mr. President, I
move that the Senate concur in the
amendments of the House.
The motion was agreed to,
KIM SUNG JIN
Mr. MANSFIELD. Mr. President, I
ask that the. Chair lay before the Senate
a message from the House on S. 1647.
The ACTING PRESIDENT pro tem-
pore laid before the Senate the amend-
ment of the House of Representatives to
the bill (S. 1647) for the relief of Kim
Sung Jin, which was,. to strike out all
after the enacting clause and insert:
That, for the purposes of sections 203(a)
(2) and 205 of the Immigration and Na-
tionality Act, Kim Sung Jin shall be held and
considered to be the natural-born alien son
of Mr. and Mrs. Joe Sims, Junior, citizens of
the. United States: Provided, That the nat-
ural parents of the beneficiary shall not, by
virtue of such parentage, be accorded any
right, privilege, or status. under the Immi-
gration and Nationality Act.
Mr.. MANSFIELD. Mr. President, on
August 12, 1965, the Senate passed S.
1647, to deem the beneficiary to be an
eligible orphan. On August 19, 1965, the
House of Representatives passed S. 1647,
with an amendment to grant the bene-
ficiary second preference status as the
natural-born alien son of U.S. citizens.
Mr. President, I move that the Senate
concur in the amendment of the House.
The motion was agreed to.
REPORT OF ACCOMPLISHMENTS
AND STATISTICS FOR 89TH CON-
GRESS, 1ST SESSION
Mr. MANSFIELD. Mr. President, I
ask unanimous consent that the Senate
Democratic policy committee be per-
mitted to print as a Senate document the
yearend report of accomplishments and
statistics for the 89th Congress, 1st ses-
sion, together with a statement by me.
The ACTING PRESIDENT pro texn-
pore. Without objection, it is so ordered.
AUTHORIZATION FOR COMMITTEE
ON GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS
TO FILE REPORTS FOLLOWING
THE ADJOURNMENT OF CON-
GRESS
Mr. MANSFIELD. Mr. President, I
ask unanimous consent that the Com-
mittee on Government Operations be au-
thorized to file reports with the Secre-
tary of the Senate during the adjourn-
ment sine the of the 89th Congress, 1st
session, and that they be printed.
The ACTING PRESIDENT pro tern-
pore. Without objection, it is so ordered.
STATEMENT OF THE LEGISLATIVE
RECORD OF THE 89TH CONGRESS,
1ST SESSION
Mr. MANSFIELD. Mr. President,
Congress is about to conclude one of the
most productive sessions in the history of
this Republic. Historians may find it
difficult to apply a one-word label to
Identify the Congress. It could be
labeled the education Congress, because
for the- first time in history it was able
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to pass substantial Federal aid to cope
with the grave educational situation
which has become increasingly critical
each year.
Or they may call It the civil rights
Congress for its enactment of the Voting
Rights Act of 1965, which at long last
removed the century-old obstacles to the
franchise promised to the Negroes in the
15th amendment to the Constitution.
Or the historians may consider it the
medicare and health Congress for in this
session action has been substituted for
two decades of public debate and dialog
on the way to solve the hospital and
medical needs of our 19 million elderly
citizens. That is not all that has been
accomplished in the health field. This
Congress has:
Enacted the Drug Abuse Control Act
of 1965 designed to prevent both the mis-
use and the illicit traffic of potentially
dangerous drugs, especially the sedatives
and the stimulants, which are so im-
portant in the medicines used today;
Extended for 3 years the program of
annual grants of $11 million for immuni-
zation against polio, diphtheria, whoop-
ing cough, tetanus, and measles;
Extended the program of matching
grants for health research facilities for
3 additional years and authorized $280
million for this period;
Authorized a total of $224.1 million
through 1972 in staffing grants to com-
munity mental health centers;
Authorized a 3-year. $340-million
program of grants to public and other
nonprofit institutions and associations
to assist them in planning, establishing,
and operating regional medical com-
plexes to combat heart disease, cancer,
stroke, and other major diseases;
Established purity standards for in-
terstate waters and authorized $150 mil-
lion in new grants for each of the next
2 fiscal years to help States and localities
control water pollution;
Established Federal regulation ciga-
rette labeling and advertising; and
Authorized $404 million additional for
fiscal years 1966-68 for the Vocational
Rehabilitation Act to assist in providing
more flexibility in financing and admin-
istering State rehabilitation programs,
and to assist in expanding and improv-
ing services and facilities provided under
these programs, particularly for the
mentally retarded.
Or it may be remembered as the Con-
gress that found the way to remove more
than $4 billion in excise taxes, a burden
borne since the days of the Korean con-
flict and the Second World War.
Some will remember this Congress for
immigration reform because it ended
the discriminatory national origins
quotas which has remained a constant
irritant to so many millions of our citi-
zens who had come to these shores to
find the freedom and the economic op-
portunity denied them In the land of
their birth.
Conservationists may acclaim this as
the conservation Congress for it author-
ized a comprehensive long-range Fed-
eral-State program for the development
of the Nation's natural resources
through the coordinated planning of
water and land resources. And it also:
Authorized the Assateague, Spruce
Knob, and 'locks Island national recre-
ational areas;
Expanded the Federal program of re-
search and development in the field of
saline water conversion;
Reauthorized the Garrison reclama-
tion project in the Missouri River Basin;
Provided an additional $944 million
for 13 river basin plans:
Authorized the Federal construction of
the $427.1 million Auburn-Folsom Cen-
tral Valley project in California; and
Authorized a $2 billion, 143 project
flood control and beach erosion program.
Or this session may be remembered as
the one that enacted the $325,500,000
program of highway beautification and
scenic development by the control of
outdoor billboards and .junkyards.
Whatever name ultimately is chosen to
identify and describe this Congress, the
appraisals of historians will not be
limited to the accomplishments already
mentioned.
They will tell how $1.1 billion in aid
to Appalachia was voted by this session
of Congress to an 11-State region in
which proud American citizens have suf-
fered because of a switch from a coal to
a gas and oil economy. Since the mid-
flfties the Governors of these States, rep-
resenting both parties, had worked to
develop a national plan for the rehabil-
itation of this area and the 89th Congress
capped their efforts with this great trail-
blazing piece of legislation. They will
tell how this session doubled the funds by
authorizing $1.785 billion for fiscal 1966
for the antipoverty program to create
new and expand existing opportunities
for young people to obtain work, educa-
tion, and training.
They will tell how the coffee agreement
was implemented, thus providing eco-
nomic underpinning for our relations
with our neighbors to the South.
As the ghettos of today are replaced
by the decent homes of tomorrow, his-
torians may trace the beginning of a suc-
cessful attack upon urban decay to the
extraordinary and revolutionary rent
subsidy program authorized by this ses-
sion. And they will note that this was
the session that took cognizance of the
fact that more than 70 percent of all
Americans live in cities and in recogniz-
ing this created a new Cabinet Depart-
ment of Housing and Urban Develop-
ment to cope with urban problems which
our largely rural ancestors never imag-
ined could exist.
Nor was it overlooked that this Nation
requires an abundance of food and fiber
at reasonable and stable prices. It was
this session that enacted the omnibus
farm bill designed to maintain farm in-
come. stabilize prices, and assure ade-
quate supplies of agricultural commodi-
ties. to reduce surpluses, lower Govern-
ment costs, promote foreign trade, and
afford greater economic opportunity in
rural areas.
It was this session of Congress that ex-
tended the Sugar Act through December
31, 1971. established foreign quotas for
1966 and 1967, increased quotas for do-
mestic producing areas, established quo-
tas for foreign suppliers, and provided
for temporarily filling the quotas reserved
for Cuba.
To alleviate this Nation's transporta-
tion difficulties, this session of Congress
authorized the 3-year $90 million pro-
gram of research and development
for demonstrations in high-speed inter-
city ground transportation, improved
the national transportation system
by strengthening enforcement efforts
against illegal trucking and by requiring
motor carriers and freight forwarders to
pay reparations for unreasonable or dis-
criminatory rates. And this Congress,
too, authorized construction of a 25-mile
rail rapid transit for the Nation's
Capital.
It was this session of Congress that
approved and submitted to the States for
ratification a proposed constitutional
amendment to permit the Vice President
to become Acting President if the Presi-
dent were unable to perform his duties
and to provide for filling a vacancy in
the office of the Vice-Presidency, And in
this Congress, too, it was made a Federal
crime to kill, kidnap, or assault the Pres-
ident, the President-elect, the Vice Pres-
ident, or, in case there is no Vice Presi-
dent, the officer next in the order of suc-
cession to the office of President.
It was this session that provided a 7-
percent across-the-board increase in
social security benefits; a 6- to 11-per-
cent increase in Federal employees re-
tirement benefits; a 3.6 percent across-
the board pay increase for Federal
employees; and a 10-percent increase in
service-connected disability compensa-
tion.
Before appending the capsule of ac-
complishments, a few words must be said
about how, in my judgment, they came
about.
The Nation has had in the White
House, during this extraordinary period,
a President of great dedication with three
decades of congressional experience be-
hind him. President Johnson was given
by the voters in November of 1964 an
unprecedented mandate to tackle prob-
lems facing this Nation and huge major-
ities were elected in the 89th Congress to
join in solving them.
Moreover, there has been the kind of
cooperation from the minority which has
reaffirmed the wisdom of the two-party
system and demonstrated the meaning
and significance of the loyal opposition.
Posterity will recognize the outstanding
contribution of the minority leadership
and, notably, in extending voting rights
to all citizens without discrimination.
In the field of foreign affairs, posterity
will understand the role played by the
Senate in support of and constructive
advice to the President. The issues have
been critical and difficult but their con-
sideration in the Senate have been sin-
gularly free of partisanship.
It has been not only a productive but
an interesting session. The following is
the brief capsule by subject referred to
above.
AGRICULTURE
Acreage reduction agreements: Makes
it possible to pay farmers 1965 price-
support payments or certificates for par-
ticipating in the feed grain, wheat, and
cotton programs where crop planting is
prevented because of floods, drought, and
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Senate. Also included are brief com-
ments on certain other bills and subjects
on which hearings have been held, staff
memorandums prepared and/or reports
issued.
Of the total of 74 Senate and House
bills and resolutions referred to the Com-
mittee during the 1st session of the 89th
Congress, 21 were approved by the Sen-
ate and/or enacted into law. Three
other bills were approved by the Senate
but not acted upon in the House of Rep-
resentatives, three are pending on the
Senate calendar, and the committee
postponed action on two House bills until
the next session.
BUDGETING AND ACCOUNTING
The Committee on Government op-
erations again reported favorably and
the Senate approved, as it has in six
preceding Congresses, a bill-S. 2; Sen-
ate Report No. 6-proposing the creation
of a Joint Committee on the Budget.
This proposed legislation, with 77 Sena-
tors as sponsors, was developed and per-
fected by the committee over a period
of 15 years, and has repeatedly passed
the Senate. It is designed to remedy
serious deficiencies in appropriation pro-
cedures and to improve the congressional
surveillance over the expenditure of pub-
lic funds. It constitutes a positive ap-
proach to the elimination of extrava-
gance, waste, and needless or excessive
expenditures.
A joint, committee, as proposed, and
its staff, would serve the Committees on
Appropriations, in the appropriation
field, in a manner comparable to that in
which the Joint Committee on Internal
Revenue Taxation and its staff, in the
field of taxation, serve the House Com-
mittee on Ways and Means and the Sen-
ate Committee on Finance. The Joint
Committee on Internal Revenue Taxa-
tion has, for more than a quarter of a
century, proved its great worth and serv-
ice in the revenue field. In the view of
the committee, a like joint committee
and service is needed in the appropria-
tion and expenditure field. The bill was
referred to the House Committee on
Rules on January 28, 1965, but no fur-
ther action was taken.
GAO AUDIT REPORTS
Pursuant to the requirements of the
Legislative Reorganization Act of 1946,
and the rules of the Senate, a total of 344
audit reports and other communications
relating to fiscal and related operations
of the Government were submitted to the
Senate by the Comptroller General of the
United States, and referred to the com-
mittee. These reports were reviewed by
the staff of the committee and, when
warranted, by the Senate Permanent
Subcommittee on Investigations. The
great majority of the reports relate to
excessive expenditures or agency actions
which are considered to be irregular or
not in accord with existing law. Unless
some specific recommendations for ac-
tion were suggested by the Comptroller
General, the committee took no further
action on these reports.
REORGANIZATION OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH OF
THE GOVERNMENT-EXTENSION OF THE RE-
ORGANIZATION ACT OF 1949
The Reorganization Act of 1949, Pub-
lic Law 109, 81st Congress, as amended
and extended, providing the basic au-
thority under which the President may
submit reorganization plans to the Con-
gress, expired on June 1, 1965. Upon
the recommndeation of the committee,
the authority of the President to submit
such plans was further extended by the
89th Congress, to December 31, 196&.
Under the provisions of the act as ex-
tended, reorganization plans submitted to
the Congress by the President, when in
session, prior to December 31, 1968, be-
come law within 60 calendar days after
submission, unless disaproved by a ma
jority of either the House or the Senate
by the adoption of a resolution of dis-
approval.
REORGANIZATION PLANS OF 1995
Under authority of the Reorganization
Act, the President submitted five reor-
ganization plans to Congress during the
present session all of which became ef-
fective. The basic objectives of each of
the plans, and the anticipated economies
to be effected are as follows:
Plan No. 1 consolidated the Federal
customs service, on a career basis, re-
placing 53 Presidential appointees with
civil service employees. Treasury offi-
cials estimated that it could result in a
$9 million annual saving. The commit-
tee recommended disapproval of Senate
Resolution 102, to disapprove plan No.
1 (S. Rept. 203), following extensive
hearings.
Plan No. 2 established a new Environ-
mental Science Services Administration,
combining in a single agency the Weath-
er Bureau, the Coast and Geodetic Sur-
vey, and the Central Radio Propagation
Laboratory. Savings are estimated at
aproximately $2 million.
Plan No. 3 transferred to the Inter-
state Commerce Commission all Federal
locomotive inspection activities, which
had been operated under the direction
of Presidential appointees since 1911, at
an approximate saving of $170,000 a year.
A hearing was held on plan No. 3 in re-
sponse to a request from interested par-
ties. No report was filed because no res-
olution of disapproval was introduced
in the Senate. However, a statement
in lieu of a report, summarizing the issues
and the committee's action, was incor-
porated in the printed hearings as an
introductory statement.
Plan No. 4 abolished nine obsolete in-
teragency committees, transferring their
remaining functions to existing officials
or agencies, at a saving that was termed
"substantial."
Plan No. 5 eliminated eight advisory
committees attached to the National Sci-
ence Foundation and gave the Founda-
tion Director increased authority to dele-
gate his growing responsibilities.
CREATION OF A DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND
URBAN DEVELOPMENT
The Congress, upon the recommenda-
tion of a majority of the committee, ap-
proved a bill-Public Law 89-174-cre-
ating a Department of Housing and
Urban Development. The.act transfers
to, and vests in, the Secretary of the new
Department the functions of the Housing
and Home Finance Agency and its Ad-
ministrator. These include the urban
renewal, urban planning, and open-space
programs of the Urban Renewal Admin-
istration and the planning advances and
public facility and other loan programs
of the Community Facilities Adminis-
tration, alpng with the agency's urban
mass transportation program. The act
created within the Department a Federal
Housing Commissioner, who shall first be
one of the Assistant Secretaries; second,
head a Federal Housing Administration;
third, be provided with such duties and
powers as may be prescribed by the Sec-
retary;. and fourth, administer, under
the supervision and direction of the Sec-
retary, departmental programs relating
to the private mortgage market.
The Federal National Mortgage Asso-
ciation, a corporate entity which provides
a secondary mortgage market for FHA-
insured and Veterans' Administration-
guaranteed mortgages, was transferred
to the new Department in its present
corporate form, with the Secretary re-
placing the Housing Administrator as
Chairman of the FNMA Board.
The act further established within the
Department a Director of Urban Pro-
gram Coordination, to be designated by
the Secretary, who shall assist him in
carrying out his responsibilities to the
President with respect to achieving max-
imum coordination of the programs of
various departments and agencies of the
Government which have a major impact
on community development; and that
the President shall, first, undertake
studies of the organization of housing
and urban development functions and
programs within the Federal Govern-
ment; and second; provide the Congress
with the findings and conclusions of
such studies, together with his recom-
mendations regarding the transfer of
such functions and programs to or from
the Department.
CHART AND REPORT OF GOVERNMENT
ORGANIZATION
As initiated in the 80th Congress, the
committee continued the compilation of
an annual organization chart and re-
port reflecting by calendar year all re-
organizations and changes effected in
the basic structure and increases. or de-
creases in personnel of all departments
and agencies in the executive branch of
the Government. The chart and accom-
panying report for calendar year 1964,
reflecting data as of January 1, 1965,
were submitted to the Senate March 23,
1965-Committee Report No. 25. The
annual chart contains a tabulation of
personnel assignments to major operat-
ing components of each department and
agency. The report contains complete
details concerning major reorganizations
effected, the resulting improvements in
administration as reported by the agen-
cies, as well as the total reductions or in-
creases in Federal personnel.
MISCELLANEOUS REORGANIZATION PROPOSALS
Other reorganization bills, on which
no action was taken by the committee,
included proposals to establish, first, a
Department of Education; second, an
Office of Community Development in the
Office of the President; third, an office
of Consumers; fourth, a U.S. Depart-
ment of Transportation; fifth, a Depart-
ment of Marine and Atmospheric Affairs
under a proposed Marine and Atmos-
pheric Affairs Coordination Act; sixth,
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redesignate the Department of the In-
terior as the Department of Natural Re-
sources; and seventh, establish commis-
sions, first, to study and appraise the
organization and operation of the execu-
tive branch of the Government; second,
on noxious and obscene matters and
materials; third, for the elimination of
pornographic materials; fourth, on sci-
ence and technology; and fifth, Advisory
Commission on Health Research Activi-
ties.
GENERAL SERVICES
There were a number of bills which
would affect the activities of the General
Services Administration in various areas,
which, first, were designed to broaden or
clarify the authority of the Administra-
tor, officers, or employees designated to
act in his behalf, or to broaden the func-
tions and activities of GSA; second, pro-
vide general authority with respect to
certain types of surplus property dis-
posals; third, relate to the transfer of
surplus property; fourth, broaden the
donable property program-set forth in
the report of the Subcommittee on For-
eign Aid Expenditures; fifth, providL'for
the procurement of property and services
by executive agencies-S. 1004, which has
passed the Senate and House; sixth, per-
ILLEGIpit GSA to enter into contracts for the
spection, maintenance and repair of
equipment which is attached to or is a
part of Government-owned buildings-
1516, approved by the Senate and the
Ouse: and seventh, authorize reim-
ursement to a State or political subdi-
ision thereof for sidewalk repair or re-
lacement (H.R. 9830).
AUTOMATIC DATA PROCESSING EQUIPMENT
A bill, H.R. 4845, providing for th
conomic and efficient purchase, lease
aintenance, operation, and utilization
f automatic data processing equipment
y Federal departments and agencies,
passed the House as amended on Sep-
tember 2, and was referred to this com-
mittee on September 7, 1965. The com-
mittee has received a number of com-
munications from Government agencies
and public and private users of auto-
matic data processing equipment, as well
as from private concerns who are en-
gaged in the manufacture, installation
and application of such equipment, re-
questing an opportunity to present their
views at hearings on the bill. The pri-
vate organizations and industry repre-
sentatives requested more time to deter-
mine what impact enactment of the bill
might have on their operations.
In view of the interest which was mani-
fested in the bill, it was determined that
hearings should be held before further
action or consideration is given to the
proposed legislation by the committee.
The bill was not received from the House
until near the end of the session, and due
to the pressure of other business, the
committee did not have an opportunity
to act before adjournment, but expects
to hold hearings on H.R. 4845 and on a
companion bill, S. 1584 early in the next
session of the Congress.
GENERAL LEGISLATION
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plication. These included bills which
would :
First. Discontinue or modify certain
reporting requirements of Federal de-
partments and agencies (S. 2150). The
bill was amended and reported--Senate
Report No. 545--on August 10, 1965,
passed the Senate August 12, was amend-
ed by the House and approved on October
18, 1965.
Second- Provide for reimbursement of
moving expenses of Federal employees
and authorize payment of storage ex-
penses of household goods of employees
assigned to isolated duty stations within
the United States-S. 2374 and S. 2516.
The committee requested comments and
recommendations from the Bureau of the
Budget, and all of the major departments
and agencies of the Government. Due to
the pressure of other business, the reports
were delayed, and the committee did not
have an opportunity to consider the
measures- During the closing days of
the session, the House Committee on
Government Operations held hearings
on a companion bill H.R. 10607) and
ordered the bill reported favorably on
October 13, 1965.
Third. Provide for an official residence
for the Vice President of the United
States (S. 23901. This bill provides that
the principal residence located on the
grounds of the Naval Observatory in the
District of Columbia, together with such
lands appurtenant thereto as shall be
designated by the Administrator of Gen-
eral Services, be set aside for use as the
official residence of the Vice President of
the United States. It would authorize an
annual appropriation of $100,000 for de-
fraying the expenses of the operation of
the official residence. The committee re-
quested comments from the Bureau of
the Budget, General Services Admin-
istration, Department of the Navy, and
other agencies which might have had an
interest in this proposal, but has received
no reports from any of these agencies.
Fourth. Authorize the Administrator
of General Services to enter into an
agreement with the University of Texas
for the Lyndon Baines Johnson Presi-
dential Archival Depository-House
Joint Resolution 632; Senate Joint Reso-
lution 105. These resolutions waived the
60-day waiting period provided by the
Federal Property and Administrative
Services Act in order to enable the Uni-
versity of Texas and the Administrator of
General Services to move forward im-
mediately with the proposal made by the
university. House Joint Resolution 632
was enacted as Public Law 89-169 on
September 6, 1965.
INTERGOVERNMENTAL RELATIONS
The Subcommitte on Intergovernmen-
tal Relations gave extended considera-
tion to and/or held hearings on several
bills relating to legislation referred to it,
including, first, Intergovernmental Cor-
poration Act of 1965-S. 561 and S. 689;
Senate Report 538; second, Uniform
Compensation for Relocation Act-S.
1201 and S. 1681; and, third, Adjustment
of Legislative Jurisdiction, S. 1007.
Further details regarding action on
these bills and other matters are set forth
in the summary of the activities of the
subcommittee.
REPORTS OF SPECIAL STUDIES
During the 1st session of the 89th
Congress, the committee undertook sev-
eral special studies and reports on sub-
jects which were considered to be of
particular interest to the Congress and
the public generally. These included
studies dealing with, first, constitutional
and legal aspects of Reorganization Act
procedures under the Reorganization
Act of 1949, as amended; second, Gov-
ernment competition with private enter-
prise with special reference to contracts
for technical services; third, legislation
authorizing appropriations and estab-
lishing revolving funds; fourth, certain
aspects of the operation of the Buy
American Act of 1933, as amended; and
fifth, a reexamination and reappraisal
of the committee's earlier work on fees
for special services, which is currently
underway.
CONSTITUTIONAL LEGAL ASPECTS OF REORGANIZA-
TION PROCEDURES
The study on Reorganization Act pro-
cedures was prepared in connection with
hearings on bills to extend or make per-
manent the authority of the President to
submit reorganization plans. It was is-
sued as staff memorandum No. 89-1-6.
entitled "Constitutional and Legal As-
pects of Reorganization Act Procedures,
Pursuant to the Reorganization Act of
1949, as Amended," and was inserted in
the record of those hearings. It con-
sisted of a review and analysis of ap-
plicable court decisions and of the con-
tention, made from time to time, that
the delegation by the Congress to the
President of authority to reorganize the
executive branch of the Government was
of doubtful constitutional validity. The
study concluded that legislation dele-
gating such authority to the President
was constitutionally valid as long as it
contained, first, specific guidelines and
objectives laid down by the Congress
defining the subject and extent of the
delegation; and second, provisions en-
abling the Congress to retain and exer-
cise control over the delegated author-
ity by, first, conferring on the President
limited rather than permanent author-
ity; second, providing for an automatic
termination of such authority; and third,
establishing a procedure whereby the
Congress can disapprove reorganization
proposals submitted by the President.
GOVERNMENT COMPETITION WITH PRIVATE
ENTERPRISE
The study on Government competition
with private enterprise, which is of a
continuing nature, was designed to keep
members of the committee and of the
Senate current on recent developments.
Issued as staff memorandum No. 89-1-10
on March 22, 1965, it contained a brief
summary and review of past studies and
legislative action by the committee as
well as information on pending meas-
ures and recent events in the field.
With respect to legislation, thememo-
randum noted that the committee had
before it two bills and one resolution
dealing with various aspects of Govern-
ment competition with private enter-
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CONGRESS, FIRST SESSION
and was called to order by the President
pro tempore.
The Chaplain, Rev. Frederick Brown
Harris, D.D., offered the following
prayer:
Our Father God, with the deep desire
that all our deliberations on this high
hill of the Nation's life -should be begun,
continued, and ended in Thee, we would
enter this forum of the people's hope
through the gateway of prayer.
Here may our faulty perspectives be
corrected by vast horizons. Here may
mistaken magnitudes be lost in the long
sweep of Thine eternal purpose, as our
thoughts and hopes are lifted above the
strident distresses of our immediate time.
We pray that Thou wilt lead our lead-
ers, and teach our teachers,, and
strengthen our people, for all the trying
tests that are upon us. Make strong
the arm of our might-material and
moral-to beat down, even at staggering
costs, the cruel iniquity that today tor-
tures those who ask for but freedom, and
which twists truth by crooked sophist-
ries.
Above all other ambitions may our
hearts be captured by a ruling passion
to find a way of global concord in the
flaming dawn of a warless world.
We ask it in the name of the Prince
of Peace. Amen.
THE JOURNAL
On request of Mr. MANSFIELD, and by
unanimous consent, the reading of the
Journal of the proceedings of Thursday,
September 2, 1965, and Friday, Septem-
ber 3, 1965, was dispensed with.
MESSAGE FROM THE HOUSE
A message from the House of Repre-
sentatives, by Mr. Hackney, one of its
reading clerks, announced that the House
had passed the bill (S. 1588) to author-
ize the Secretary of Commerce to under-
take research, development, and demon-
strations in high-speed ground transpor-
tation, and for other purposes, with
amendments, in which it requested the
concurrence of the Senate.
The message also announced that the
House had passed the following bills, in
which It requested the concurrence of
the Senate:
nomio and efficient purchase, lease, main-
tenance, operation, and utilization of auto-
matic data processing equipment by Federal
departments and agencies; and
H.R. 8989. An act to promote health and
safety in metal and nonmetallic mineral in-
dustries, and for other purposes.
HOUSE BILLS REFERRED
The following bills were each read
twice by their titles and referred as in-
dicated:
HR. 4845. An act to provide for the eco-
~nomic and efficient purchase, lease, mainte-
nance, operation, and utilization of auto-
matic data processing equipment by Federal
departments and agencies; to the Committee
on Government Operations.
H.R.8989. An act to promote health and
safety in metal and nonmetallic mineral in-
dustries, and for other purposes; to the Com-
mittee on Labor and Public Welfare.
HIGHER EDUCATION ACT OF 1965
Mr. MANSFIELD. Mr. President, I
ask unanimous consent that the Higher
Education Act of 1965 (H.R. 9567),
passed by the Senate last Thursday, be
printed as passed.
The PRESIDENT pro tempore.
Without objection, it is so ordered.
EXECUTIVE SESSION
Mr. MANSFIELD. Mr. President, I
ask unanimous consent that the Senate
proceed to the consideration of execu-
tive business to consider nominations on
the Executive Calendar, beginning with
the Export-Import Bank of Washington.
The PRESIDENT pro tempore. Is
there objection to the request of the
Senator from Montana?
There being no objection, the Senate
proceeded to the consideration of execu-
tive business.
The PRESIDENT pro tempore. if
them be no reports of committees, the
nominations on the Executive Calendar
will be stated.
EXPORT-IMPORT BANK
OF WASHINGTON
The Chief Clerk read the nomination
of Hobart Taylor, Jr., of Michigan, to
be a member of the Board of Directors
of the Export-Import Bank of Wash-
ington.
The PRESIDENT pro tempore.
Without objection, the nomination is
confirmed.
DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH, EDU-
CATION, AND WELFARE
The Chief Clerk read the nomination
of Ralph K. Huitt, of Wisconsin, to be
an Assistant Secretary of Health, Edu-
cation, and Welfare.
The PRESIDENT pro tempore.
Without objection, the nomination is
confirmed.
U.S. NAVY
The Chief Clerk read the nomination
of Rear Adm. Alexander C. Husband,
Civil Engineer Corps, U.S. Navy, to be
Chief of the Bureau of Yards and Docks
in the Department of the Navy.
The PRESIDENT pro tempore. With-
out objection, the nomination is con-
firmed.
U.S. ARMY ,
The Chief Clerk proceeded to read
sundry nominations in the U.S. Army.
Mr. MANSFIELD. Mr. President, I
ask unanimous consent that the nomina-
tions be considered en bloc.
The PRESIDENT pro tempore. With-
out objection, the nominations are con-
sidered and confirmed en bloc.
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
The Chief Clerk proceeded to read
sundry nominations in the Department
of Justice.
Mr. MANSFIELD. Mr. President, I
ask unanimous consent that the nomina-
tions in the Department of Justice be
considered en bloc.
The PRESIDENT pro tempore. With-
out objection, the nominations are con-
sidered and confirmed en bloc.
NOMINATIONS PLACED ON THE SEC-
RETARY'S DESK-MARINE CORPS
The Chief Clerk proceeded to read
sundry nominations in the Marine Corps.
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Mr. MANSFIELD. Mr. President. I
ask unanimous consent that the nomina-
tions be considered en bloc.
The PRESIDENT pro tempore. With-
out objection, the nominations on the
Secretary's desk are considered and
confirmed en bloc.
Mr. MANSFIELD. Mr. President, I
ask unanimous consent that the Presi-
dent be immediately notified of the
confirmation of the nominations.
The PRESIDENT pro tempore. With-
out objection, the President will be
notified forthwith of the confirmation of
the nominations.
LEGISLATIVE SESSION
On request of Mr. MANSFIELD, and by
unanimous consent, the Senate resumed
the consideration of legislative business.
CALL OF CERTAIN MEASURES ON
THE CALENDAR
Mr. MANSFIELD. Mr. President, be-
fore the Senate proceeds to the consid-
eration of morning business, I ask unani-
mous consent for the consideration of
certain measures on the calendar to
which there is no objection.
The PRESIDENT pro tempore. With-
out objection, it is so ordered.
MEASUREMENT OF GROSS AND NET
TONNAGES FOR CERTAIN VESSELS
HAVING TWO OR MORE DECKS
Mr. MANSFIELD. Mr. President, I ask
unanimous consent that the Senate pro-
ceed to the consideration of Calendar No.
657,S. 906.
The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The
bill will be stated by title.
The LEGISLATIVE CLERK. A bill (S. 906)
to provide for the measurement of the
gross and net tonnages for certain ves-
sels having two or more decks, and for
other purposes.
The PRESIDENT pro tempore. Is
there objection to the present consider-
ation of the bill?
There being no objection, the bill was
considered, ordered to be engrossed for
a third reading, read the third time, and
passed, as follows:
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of
Representatives of the United States of
America in Congress assembled, That as used
in this Act:
(a) The term "uppermost complete deck"
means the uppermost complete deck of a
vessel exposed to sea and weather which
shall be deemed to be that deck which has
permanent means of closing all openings in
the weather portions thereof, provided that
any opening in the side of the vessel below
that deck, other than an opening abaft a
transverse watertight bulkhead placed aft of
the rudder stock, is fitted with permanent
means of watertight closing.
(b) The term "second deck" means the
deck next below the uppermost complete
deck which Is continuous In a fore-and-aft
direction at least between peak bulkheads,
is continuous athwartships, is fitted as an
integral and permanent part of the vessel's
structure, and has proper covers to all main
hatchways. Interruptions In way of
propelling machinery, space openings, ladder
and stairway openings, trunks, chain lockers,
cofferdams, or steps not exceeding a total
height of forty-eight inches shall not be
deemed to break the continuity of the deck.
(C) The term "trunks" as used In the
definition of second deck shall be deemed to
refer to hatch or ventilation trunks which
do not extend longitudinally completely
between main transverse bulkheads.
(d) The term "Secretary- means the
Secretary of the Treasury.
SEC. 2. In the measurement of a vessel
under sections 4148, 4151 and 4153 of the
Revised Statutes, as amended (46 U.S.C. 71,
75, 77), upon application of the owner and
approval by the Secretary, there shall be
omitted from Inclusion In the gross ton-
naee-
ra) those spaces available for the carriage
of drv cargo or stores which are located be-
)ween the uppermost complete deck and the
second deck, and other spaces so located
which would be omitted from gross tonnage
under the provisions of section 4153 if above
the upper deck, provided that a tonnage
mark is placed and displayed on the vessel
in accordance with the provisions of this
Act, so long as that tonnage mark Is not
submerged;
(b) those spaces which are located on or
above the uppermost complete deck and
which are available for the carriage of dry
cargo or stores, without regard to whether
a tonnage mark Is placed or displayed on
the vessel or, if placed or displayed, with-
out regard to whether that mark Is Rub-
merged; and
(c) those spaces which are located on the
uppermost oomplete deck and which are used
for cabins or staterooms, provided that a
tonnage mark is placed and displayed on
the vessel, so long as that tonnage mark is
not submerged.
Sac. 3. The tonnage mark shall be a hor-
izontal line, unon which shall be placed for
identification an Inverted equilateral tri-
angle, with its apex on the midpoint of the
line. The mark shall be placed and dis-
played on each side of the vessel, subject to
such specifications as to location and dlmen-
si ms as are prescribed In regulations issued
tinder this Act.
Sec. 4. No tonnage mark shall be required
to be placed or displayed above the statutory
summer loadline prescribed in accordance
with the applicable loadline convention,
except that, when a vessel's statutory load-
line is assigned on the assumption that the
second deck 1s the freeboard deck, the ton-
nage mark may he permitted to be placed
and displayed on a line level with the upper-
most part of the loadline grid.
SEc. 5. Except when the tonnage mark is
placed and displayed on the vessel at the
level prescribed In section 4 hereof, an addi-
tional line may be added to the tonnage
mark, subject to such specifications as to
location and dimensions as are prescribed
in regulations issued under this Act.
SEc. 6. The tonnage mark shall be deemed
to be submerged when the upper edge of the
mark is under water, except that If the
vessel is marked with the additional line in
accordance with section 5 of this Act and Is
in fresh water or in tropical waters the ton-
nage mark shall not be deemed to he sub-
merged unless the upper.edge of the addi-
tional line is under water.
SEc. 7. In a case in which a vessel measured
under this Act and other applicable Statutes
has a tonnage mark placed and displayed at
a place other than a line level with the
uppermost part of the loadline grid, any
measurement certificate or marine document
reciting tonnages Issued to such vessel shall
ahow the gross and net tonnages applicable
when the tonnage mark Is submerged and
the gross and net tonnages applicable when
the mark is not submerged. In any other
case In which a vessel is measured under this
Act and other applicable statutes, any meas-
urement certificate or marine document
reciting tonnages issued to such vessel shall
show only one set of gross and net tonnages,
taking Into account all applicable omissions
or exemptions.
SEC. 8. In a case in which an application
for omission of spaces Is filed under section
2 of this Act for a vessel for which a statu-
tory loadline is not required and is not
assigned, the line of the uppermost complete
deck shall be marked in the manner specified
for marking the deck line in the interna-
tional loadline convention in force.
Sac. 9. Section 4149 of the Revised Stat-
utes (46 U.S.C. 72) Is amended to read as
follows:
"SEC. 4149. The Secretary of the Treasury
shall prescribe how evidence of admeasure-
ment shall be given."
SEC. 10. Section 4150 of the Revised Stat-
utes (46 U.S.C. 74) is amended to read as
follows:
"SEc. 4150. A vessel's marine document
shall specify such identifying dimensions,
measured in such manner, as the Secretary
of the Treasury may prescribe."
SEC. 11. Section 4153 of the Revised Stat-
tites (46 U.S.C. 77) is amended by inserting
before the first paragraph the following:
"The tonnage deck, in vessels having three
or more decks to the hull, shall be the sec-
ond deck from below; In all other cases the
upper deck of the hull is to be the tonnage
deck. All measurements are to be taken in
feet and decimal fractions of feet."
SEC. 12. The Secretary shall make such
regulations as may be necessary to carry out
the provisions of this Act.
SEC. 13. Any person who makes a false,
fictitious, or fraudulent statement or repre-
sentation in any matter in which such state-
ment or representation is required to be
made to the Secretary in any regulation
issued under this Act shall be subject to a
penalty of not more than $1,000 for each
such statement or representation.
SEC. 14. If any tonnage mark required to
be placed and displayed on a vessel in any
regulation Issued under this Act by the
Secretary is not so placed or displayed or if
the mark at any time shall cease to be con-
tinued on the vessel, such vessel shall be
subject to a penalty of $30 on every sub-
sequent arrival In a port of the United
States.
SEC. 15. Any penalty Incurred under this
Act may be remitted or mitigated by the
Secretary under the provisions of section
5294 of the Revised Statutes, as amended
(46 U.S.C. 7).
Mr. MANSFIELD. Mr. President, I
ask unanimous consent to have printed
in the RECORD an excerpt from the report
(No. 674), explaining the purposes of the
bill.
There being no objection, the excerpt
was ordered to be printed in the RECORD,
as follows:
PURPOSE OF THE BILL
This legislation will implement recent rec-
ommendations made by the Maritime Safety
Committee of the Intergovernmental Mari-
time Consultative Organization (IMCO) re-
garding the tonnage measurement of vessels
having two or more decks.
BACKGROUND OF LEGISLATION
This bill, S. 906. was introduced at the
request of the Secretary of the Treasury. A
hearing was held on the bill on August 6.
1965. At the hearing the legislation was
supported by the Treasury Department, the
American Merchant Marine Institute, and
the Pacific American Steamship Association.
In addition, the committee has received a
letter from the American Bureau of Shippl g
supporting the bill. No opposition has been
expressed from any source.
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The IUE knows that the utility industry
of the United States can meet this challenge
if granted the proper incentives. Ten years
ago, it cost 10 times as much to put dis-
tribution lines underground as to bring them
in on overhead poles. Using the new equip-
ment developed by skilled workmen of the
electrical manufacturing industry, the
utilities have been able to develop operating
and installation techniques that have re-
duced this differential to a negligible 1'~12
to 1.
For these reasons, the IUE supports the
three bills (H.R. 10513, H.R. 10514, and.H.R.
10515) Introduced by Congressman RrcHARD
L. OTTINGER, Democrat of New York, on
August 17, 1965.
H.R. 10513 would provide the necessary
information about the extent of the over-
head transmission problem in the United
States and would result in the development
of invaluable criteria for measuring the
relative costs of underground and overhead
systems in various situations.
(Mr. GONZALEZ (at the request of
Mr. MATSUNAGA) was granted permission
to extend his remarks at this point in the
RECORD and to include extraneous mat-
ter.)
[Mr. GONZALEZ' remarks will appear
hereafter in the Appendix.]
(Mr. GONZALEZ (at the request of
Mr. MATSUNAGA) was granted permission
to extend his remarks at this point in the
RECORD and to include extraneous mat-
ter.)
[Mr. GONZALEZ' remarks will appear
hereafter in the Appendix.]
INCREASED COMPENSATION PAY-
MENTS FOR SERVICE-CONNECTED
DISABLED VETERANS
(Mr. FASCELL (at the request of Mr.
MATSUNAGA) was granted permission to
extend his remarks at this point in the
ter.)
Mr. FASCELL. Mr. Speaker, I w
Affairs for reporting the bill H.R. 168,
which has been considered and passed
by the House of Representatives today,
H.R. 168 is identical to my bill, H.R.
10881. I hope this legislation will re-
ceive speedy and favorable considera-
tion in the Senate, so that its provisions
may be enacted into law during the pres-
ent session of Congress.
As Members are aware, H.R. 168 will
provide for an average 10-percent in-
crease in compensation payments for
veterans with service-connected disabili-
ties. The increases will vary from $1 in
the case of the 10-percent disabled vet-
eran to $85 in the case of some few very
severely disabled veterans who receive
special allowances because of the extreme
impairment of health which they have
suffered. A general increase in compen-
sation payments was last granted in
1957. Certainly, these veterans, whose
disabilities were incurred because of their
service to this country, are entitled to
every consideration possible, and par-
ticularly is this so in the case of those
who suffered such severe disabilities that
thier earning power is seriously im-
paired.
There are 1,837,591 veterans on the The complexities and rapid pace of the
compensation rolls of the Veterans' Ad- technological world in which we live,
ministration whose disabilities were in- place a high demand on the. immediate
curred in wartime, and a total of 1,934,- availability of data of all types. Gov-
074 veterans receive compensation pay- ernment services are constantly expand-
ments for disabilities incurred in either Ing to meet the needs of a growing popu-
wartime or peacetime. At the end of lation which is now nearing 200 million
June of this year, 65,554 of these veterans persons in the United States. The elec-
listed Florida as their official residence, tronic computer has been a great benefit
and received $65,297,673 during fiscal to the Federal Government in coping
year 1965 in the form of compensation with the ever present task of reducing the
payments. The increases granted by cost of providing Government ? service.
H.R. 168 will place this figure at over President Johnson has said :
$72 million, since $6.7 million more will The use of automatic data processing
go to these particular veterans because equipment during the past 10 years has coh-
of enactment of this legislation. tributed significantly to increased effective-
In addition to increasing the basic ness and rising productivity in governmental
compensation payments for service-con- operations. The electronic computer has en-
neCted disabled veterans-H.R. 168 would abled the Government to carry out programs
also increase the dependency .allowances which otherwise would have been impossible.
Better and more economical services to the
paid to veterans who are 50 percent or public have been achieved through the use
more disabled, and permit payment of of this equipment.
this allowance until the dependent child We rely heavily on automatic data
attains the age of 23 if the child is pur- processing equipment. Without the
suing a course of. education in an ap- present generation of computers, man
proved educational institution. could never hope to reach the moon.
Although H.R. 168 is primarily a bill There would be no ballistic missiles or
to increase compensation payable to Polaris submarines. It has been esti-
service disabled veterans, there is also mated that to process without computers
included a provision which will benefit the flood of checks that will be in circu-
dependent parents of servicemen who lation by 1970, banks would have to hire
lost their lives because of service in the all the women in the United States be-
armed forces, that is those dependent tween the ages of 21 and 45. After the
parents who receive dependency and in- installation of an IBM 7094, the Uni-
demnity compensation payments. H.R. versity of Chicago estimated that it takes
168 raises the income limitations ap- about 1 hour of computer time to do the
plicable to this group of beneficaries, and equivalent of 1 million man-hours of
the effect of this action will be to pro- desk calculator work. Computers have
vide increases for many who presently
a widespread usage in industrial appli-
receive these payments, as we ex- cations.
tend bility to certain rents o
don -'Qualify to i t ese p y- In view of the great flexibility of dig-
me their c e in a ess ital computers, and the rapid advances
of u allow unde the being made in computer technology, un-
1 k doubtedly there will be an expanding de-
ICING OF AUTOMATIC DATA
PROCESSING EQUIPMENT
(Mr. FASCELL (at the request of Mr.
MATSUNAGA) was granted permission to
extend his remarks at this point in the
RECORD and to include extraneous mat-
ter.)
Mr. FASCELL. Mr. Speaker, I rise in
support of H.R. 4845, a bill to provide for
the economic and efficient purchase,
lease, maintenance, operation, and utili-
zation of automatic data processing'
equipment by Federal departments and
agencies. This proposed legislation is
urgently needed. I fully and whole-
heartedly supported H.R. 4845, when it
passed the House of Representatives on
September 2, 1965. H.R. 4845 is identical
velopment of new applications. It has
been estimated that nearly one-half of
the computer business in the United
States is with the Government, and the
major portion of this business is with
the Federal Government. Computers
make out 95 percent of the Government's
paychecks, keep track of military sup-
plies and weapons all over the world,
register the course, direction, and speed
of all shipping in the North Atlantic,
and now check all business income tax
returns and a third of the individual re-
turns. The number of computers in use
by the Federal Government has been ex-
panding rapidly. In 1961 the Federal
Government had 730 computers in use;
this figure rose to 1,006 in 1962, 1,169 in
1963, and 1,767 in 1964. A couple of
years ago the Bureau of the Budget esti-
mated that by 1966 the U.S. Government
would have 1,500 computers in use; this
number was surpassed in 1964. The fig-
ures above do not take into account the
computers in use by military services on
for the same express purpose. use oy contractors of the Federal Gov-
The bill we are considering would au- ernment.. It has been unofficially esti-
thorize and direct the Administrator of mated that each of these two categories
the General Services Administration to of computer users are equal to the num-
coordinate and provide for the economic ber of Government computers cited
and efficient procurement, maintenance, above.
and utilization of the automatic data In June of this year the National Aero-
processing equipment needs of the Fed- nautics and Space Administration or-
eral departments and agencies. dered new computer equipment that will
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FTC knows also that hundreds of millions In 1921 he became a foreign correspondent number and effect of overhead transmis-
of dollars In free stamps, discriminatory for the old Philadelphia Ledger. He was sion lines in the Nation and to develop
prices on stamps, et cetera, have gone to the based in London but spent much of his time some objective standard for measuring
biggest stamp users who have killed off thou- In Ireland covering the "troubles" between the destructive impact such lines have
sands of small dealers unable to obtain the Irish and the British. In 1924 he covered upon community planning, upon prop-
stamps, or give them out in special offers the Inauguration of the Dawes reparations arty values, and upon the natural beauty
to consumers because small users paid the plan.
highest prices for stamps. Mr. Hassett returned to Washington and of our Nation. It also directs the See-
went to work for the Federal Government in retary to gather sufficient data to eval-
Lhe early data of the New Deal. In 1935 he uate the affected overhead installations
WILLIAM D. HASSETT--CONFIDANT joined the White House stall. He soon be- planned for the future.
OF TWO PRESIDENTS Caine a favorite of President Roosevelt, who The second bill H.R. 10514 authorizes
was impressed by his amiable personality,
the Secretary to undertake research, de-
+Mr. FLOOD (at the request of Mr. erudition and keen memory. velopmret, and demonstration projects
MATSUNAGA) was granted permission to Mr. Hasse*t treasured a photograph on
extend his remarks at this point In the which the President wrote: "To Bill Has- in the field of underground transmission
sett ? a rare combination of Buckle. so as to perfect the necessary techniques
RECORD and to include extraneous mat- l3:irttett, and Roget ? ? ? from his old to make such transmission economically
ter.) friend. Franklin D. ioosevelt." and technically feasible. The Secretary
Mr. FLOOD. Mr. Speaker, one of the The reference was, of course, to Henry of the Interior is the, logical person to
great privileges in being a Member of Thomas Buckle, the English historian: John carry forward these programs, first, be-
Congress is the opportunity to become Bartlett. author of 'Familiar Quotations," cause of the traditional concern of his
friends of exceptional persons in public and Peter Mark Roget, who got up the office with conservation of natural re-
life. One such person that I came to "Thesaurus of English Words and Phrases."
know and respect was William D. Hassett In the Roosevelt administration Mr. Has- sources and, second, because his Depart-
sett occasionally took over the duties of ment operates the largest single power
of Vermont, correspondence secretary White House Press Secretary Stephen Early. system in the Nation.
and confidant of Presidents Franklin D. His main Job, however, was handling tor- My third bill, H.R. 10515, would en-
Roosevelt and Harry S. Truman, Who respondence for the President. including a abe the investor-owned public utilities to
(lied at his home in Northfield, Vt., on delicate exchange between F.D.R. and Myron participate in this effort by providing sig-
August 29, 1965. Taylor. who was a liaison- between the incentives to those com-
A modest and scholarly man, he was White House and the Vatican in the war nlficanpanicst that tax istart underground se cola-
the soul of tact in dealing with juniors y p ident Truman retained Mr. Hassell as tion. This is founded in a firm belief
as well as seniors, and thoroughly trust- a White House secretary, and he too assigned that private enterprise can and will take
worthy. When once commenting on his him to letl,erwriting, a task at which the a position of leadership in the battle
retirement after a most distinguished Vermont scholar had great skill. to achieve the President's goal of a more
career, he stated: Mr. Hassett remained at the White House beautiful America, if these industries
Now. I am joining the ranks of those who until July It'. 1952, when he resigned. He was are encouraged by enlightened Govern-
are burdened with carrying the secrets of then 71. merit policy.
their Presidents to the grave. Thereafter. Mr. Hassett devoted his time
to writing his book on F.D.R. and magazine Two distinguished Members of this
In order that a summary of his career, articles. House have joined me in this program, Mr. as published Washington, may is of that he i lived to bean old med to be an. He andlh is Athe gentleman SHLEY. and from from Mary-
ably ably recorded in the permanent ann nals of
the Congress, I quote the the following obitu- close friend. radio commentator it. Bauk- land, CLARENCE D. LONG.
hage, of 3 311000 Connecticut Avenue e NW., used I am pleased to report that our pro-
ary notice: to make a point of reading the death notices
[From the Washington Post, Aug. 30, 1930 on the bulletin board at the Cosmos Club. gram for action has been warmly re-
on
W. D. BASSETT, AID TO F.D.R. Mr. Bassett said he did this to make sure ceived in many n quarters.
Electrical The Inter a-
(By Edward T. Folliard) that he was still allve
In 1959. after the death of his friend, Fleet Machine Workers has endorsed all three
William D. Hassel, who served as a White Adm. William D. Leahy, Mr. Bassett was de- proposals. Under the direction of its
House secretary In the Roosevelt and Tru- scribed as "the late Bill Hassett" In his old president, Paul Jennings, this great
man administrations, died last night of a newspaper's obitrary of the Admiral. Mr. union has established a reputation for
heart attack at his home in Northfield, Vt, Hassett showed up in Washington and
He was 85. laughed oil the report of his death as exag- leadership in conservation matters.
Mr. Hassett was with President Franklin berated. Mr. Jennings' statement is a cogent and
D. Roosevelt at Warm Springs, Us., when air Hassett had experienced heart attacks succinct analysis of the challenge of the
F.D.R. died there on April 12. 1945. It was and a fall In recent years, but seemed to feel problem which I hope will be read by all
he who made the announcement that the well on his 85th birthday Saturday. who are concerned with maintaining the
32d President was dead. Yesterday he attended mass at Norwich beauty of our Nation.
He could hardly have been surprised at University, across the street from his home.
STATEMENT OF PAUL JENNINGS, PRESIDENT,
the passing of Mr. Roosevelt. In a book he After an early dinner he called his niece, INTERNATIONAL UNION OF ELELTRICAL, RADIO
wrote later, "Off the Record With F.D.R.," he Maxine McNiunara, and asked her to summon MACH WORKERS (AFL-CIO) ON
told of taking the White House mail pouch a doctor explaining that he felt "terrible." AND UNDEMACHIN D : POWERLENES, AUGUST 20, 1965
to the President that April morning, and He died at about 9 p.m. The IUE has long been concerned about
said: Funeral services will be held at 9 am. Wed-
was shocked at the President's appear- nesday at St. John the Evangelist Catholic the problem of overhead transmission lines
:Inca. The weariness crept upon Win from Church in Northfield. and the damage that such lines can cause
midday onward, as I saw too plainly when not only to natural beauty, but to property
I had to return to the cottage after my values. real estate revenues and local com-
morning visit." THREE: BILLS INTRODUCED AT- munity zoning and planning efforts. The
Mr. Hassett, who was a newspaperman for TACKING OVERHEAD POWERLINE ITIE believes that as a result of modern tech-
25 years, 11 of them with the Washington nology such damage is no longer necessary.
Post. was born in Northfield on August 1;8. PROBLEM TO BEAUTIFY AMERICA Today, there is no technical barrier to
1880. He attended Clark University at (Mr. OTTINGER (at the request of the development of economically feasible
Worcester, Mass., from which be received an methods of underground power transmission.
Mr. MATSUNAGA) was granted permission The art of power transmission has passed
honorary master of arts degree in 11515. to extend his remarks at this point in beyond such limitations. Unfortunately,
Norwich University in Northfield gave him
the honorary degree of doctor of letters in the RECORD and to include extraneous the actual operating experience of the in-
1946. matter.) dustry has not kept pace with this technical
Ile began his newspaper career on the Mr. O'1I'INGER. Mr. Speaker, on know-how.
Burlington (Vt.) Free Press, and joined the August 17, I introduced three bills at- The utility industry has not undertaken
the experimental installation programs that
staff of the Washington Post in 1906. In tacking the problem of overhead power- would lead to actual construction, installs-
1911 he went to the Associated Press, where lines which are a continuing challenge lion and operating cost reductions.
he remained for -5 years. 't'hen came 2 years to our efforts to beautify America. As a result, there has been no significant
with the International News Service, after
which he returned to the Post. From 1917 to The first of these bills, H.R. 10513, effort to determine, or reduce, the supposed
1921 he covered Congress and wrote occa- directs the Secretary of the Interior to cost differential between overhead and un-
tional editorials for this newspaper. undertake an immediate survey of the derground high voltage transmission lines.
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make it possible to process data sent back
by spacecraft 40 times faster than the
systems currently used. The cost of this
order will range from $8 million initially
to $18 million if all contract options are
exercised. The Federal Government
spends about $1 billion annually on the
procurement, maintenance, and leasing
of computers. We must expect a con-
tinued heavy and probably increasing
Federal outlay for this type of equip-
ment. Our responsibility here to to pro-
vide the authority for the most econom-
ical, efficient and effective procurement
and utilization of this equipment.
The General Accounting Office has
noted that 867, or 86 percent, of the 1,006
computers installed in U.S. Government
facilities as of June 30, 1962, were leased.
The GAO revealed that cost comparisons
of 16 models, which accounted for 523 of
the 1,006 machines in use, showed the
Government could save $148 million over
5 years if it bought the machines rather
than leased them. Since then, the Fed-
eral Government has increased pur-
chases of previously leased equipment.
The Comptroller General has recom-
mended that the President establish a
central management office suitably em-
powered with authority and responsibil-
ity to make decisions on the procurement
and utilization of data processing equip-
ment. Mr. Speaker, this bill would give
such authority to the only logical agency
to coordinate the procurement and uti-
lization of automatic data processing
equipment of the Federal Government,
namely the Administrator of the General
Services Administration.
THE VOLUNTEER GENERATION
(Mr. RODINO (at the request of Mr.
MATSUNAGA) Was granted permission to
extend his remarks at this point in the
RECORD and for include extraneous mat-
ter.)
Mr. RODINO. Mr. Speaker, all too
often today we ':hear of the shortcomings,
the failures, the delinquency, the violence
of our young people. It is to be expected
that seaside riots, senseless vandalism
and crime, aswell as student protests,
picketing and! other demonstrations on
public issues, (would receive widespread
publicity. They make timely, emotional
and sensation4l news stories.
But there afire other qualities and ac-
tivities of our; young people which, un-
fortunately. 4o not receive as much
attention. Hete at home college students
pitched in to whelp build levees during
last spring's = devastating Mississippi
River floods. Abroad, they are helping
people of the ndwer nations develop their
individual and rational resources. And
no one of us sho~ld ever forget that night
after night you g Americans are risking
their lives for usn patrols through Viet-
namese jungles.
Mr. Speaker, Vie President HUBERT H.
HUMPHREY has pu the picture in proper
perspective for us, Tali 1a most enlightening
and penetrating dis ussion of his views
on the younger generation, "What's
Right With Today's ' puth." At a time
when the tendency is to condemn our
youth for the minor element which cre-
ates havoc and crime, our Vice President
has reaffirmed his faith and confidence
in the potential of the vast majority to
build a "greater, more dynamic nation."
And if one were to choose a term for
'our youth, the Vice President would call
them the volunteer generation. Under
unanimous consent, I include this fine
article, which appeareF1 in Parade maga-
zine of September 5, 1,865, in the RECORD.
WHAT'S RIGHT WITH T?DAY'S YOUTH-SOME
RIOT-OTHERS Do G9OD DEEDS-THE VICE
PRESIDENT LOOKS AIj OUR CONTROVERSIAL
YOUNGER GENERATIOII
(By HUBERT It. HUMPHREY)
WASHINGTON, D.C.--Young Americans give
their lives for freedom in South Vietnam,
while other young americans demonstrate
against our involvexryent there. Some young
people rip apart sea4ide resorts, others work
night and day to repair the flood-ravaged
dikes of the Middle; West. Our universities
turn out the brightest, best-educated gradu-
ates in history, but;at the same time we face
a problem of school' dropouts.
Which is the trje picture' of the younger
generation? Are ,'more and more young
people finding their release in rioting, pro-
tests, and crime? i Or is the trend upward
toward honor anc achievement? Will they
send America into decline, or will they build
a greater, more dy amic nation?
I believe the I. is true, and I can back
up my belief wit facts and personal experi-
ence. This is nb reason for complacency.
For we cannot a; ow even a fraction of our
youth to squand r themselves while we, who
like to boast th t we are older and wiser,
stand by lamentiig.
My interest in3youth is by no means aca-
demic. As the; father of four children
(three still in school), I am concerned at
the increase in juvenile crime not only in
the slums, whey there is the goad of dismal
poverty, but am ng children who have never
known want, c ildren who should know
better. I
Like any othet father of my generation, I
have my share 'Of skepticism about Beatle
mops and dance dike the Swim, the Frug and
the Watusi. Bdt then I find myself ask-
ing: Was there ever a young generation that
didn't have crazy and was there ever an old
one that approved of them? What of the
flappers of the roaring twenties, many of
them now sedatp grandmothers? What of
the grandfathersi who once sported Rudolph
Valentino sidebuns and those wide trousers
known as Oxford bags? What about the
Black Bottom aid the Charleston? But we
grew out of the .
I do not condone the excesses of youth.
I don't mean th fads; I mean the rioting,
violence and crime that cause its worry in
our society. Bu - again, I must ask how
much we, the of er generation, are respon-
sible for the st rtling increase in juvenile
The war broke up families and reduced
parental discipli e. Then came the post-
war years of the 'fast buck" with an inevita-
ble eroding of morality and family respon-
sibility. Childre were left to bring them-
selves up while heir parents made up for
Now we are Ina period of unprecedented
prosperity, and cannot help feeling that
prosperity is a in re severe test of character
than adversity. and times, as I remember
from my on you h, bring families together.
In good times, it i all too easy to drift apart.
Though the youn people today enjoy lux-
uries never know to their parents, they are
are also exposed o pressures and frustra-
tions their pare. never encountered.
MORE PE PLE THAN JOBS
Our youth are q ite conscious they live
in a world that has he capacity to destroy
itself and that the etonators are in the
hands of the older generation. They are also
conscious of the fact that, in our affluent
society, there are more people of their age
than there are jobs to go around. The num-
ber of workers 18 and 19 years old is ex-
pected to increase byi half a million this
year-twice the increase of last year. Before
1970, more than 3 million young people will
swell the labor force each year.
Those without trainifg and skills will face
a bleak future. The ur(employment rate for
the young already is more than three times
as high as for older wbrkers. We are past
the time when a living; even a humble one,
can be made without 4nything but willing
hands.
Our country does not owe anybody a liv-
ing, but it does owe itt,s, youth at least the
opportunity to work. bovernment and pri-
vate industry are now alert to this problem,
and we are doing everything we can to help
these young people. There are youth oppor-
tunity centers, the poverty program, the
Job Corps, the Neighborhood Youth Corps,
the community, action; programs.
Of course, youth must be willing to work,
and most of them re. I have spoken to
thousands of young people at Job Corps
camps and other training centers. Many
come from broken homes; many are barely
able to read and writie. Almost all have been
bitterly disappointed in their short lives.
Yet most are deterjnfined to pick up their
second chance, acgdiire new skills, and face
the world with hop);.
Even more imprdssive are the thousands
of young Americans( who have an acute con-
science about their ' wn generation and want
to help, the less fortunate. They are intelli-
gent, courageous, hell-informed young peo-
ple, willing to wor~ long hours for little or
no pay to correct that they feel is injustice.
Some of the st4dent protests, picketing,
marches, sit-ins hove caused dismay among
us older folk. Frapkly, I have shared it, be-
cause some of thel issues, in my view, have
been false. But I 'must admit that America
today might be a better place if the people of
my generation ha- shown the same aware-
ness. Fiery speec es and angry placards on
the campus are, my mind, far less danger-
ous to the Nations future than the silence
that stifles new i eas. Age in itself is no
guarantee of wisd . In a world changing as
rapidly as ours, ere can be as many old
fools as young foo s. Young Americans who
get into trouble, ho kick against the estab-
lished order, are ten the most alert.
Who of our old generation has not been
a rebel? I have een one, and so has our
President. Lyndo, Johnson was a school
dropout who left is native Texas to work
with his hands i the fields of California.
But he returned enter college and begin
his career as a teac er in a Mexican-American
public school. Hi former students still re-
member him as a an who gave them knowl-
edge and encouragement to face a world that
all too often seeme stacked against them.
Lyndon Johnson held his first presidential
appointment at 27, his first political office at
29. He has said: "No one knows better than I
the fires that bur in the hearts of young
men who yearn fo , the chance to do better
what they see the elders doing not well,
or not doing at all "
FAMO S BEATNIKS
Today's young p ple-as students, as citi-
zens, yes, even as emonstrators-are show-
ing that they, too want to do better. Of
course, we have o r beatniks. There have
been beatniks in every age. Some of there
are now listed among the world's leadi,g
artists, writers, musicians. Gauguin was a
beatnik. So were Von Gogh and Edgar Ali:. e
Poe.
But I am less concerned with the eccen-
tricities of genius, 7vhich can flower in the
most unlikely soil, than I am with the mass
of our young people today. I don't find them
a beat generation at all, and I have met them
by the thousands across this great country.
Our young people are a healthy and whelk,,-
some generation, less hypocritical, more frank
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I han we were at their age. They speak more spirit and sharpen my wits. I am able to
'Pen ly about sex, religion, politics, and other go back refreshed and revitalized.
subjects that used to be taboo. In the age We parents expect the young to learn from
of computers, satellites, and almost instant us and from their teachers. But this holds
communications, they are also more intelli- good only If we are prepared to learn from
gent and competent. For this is the age of the young-to probe their problems and to
excellence admit. as history has proven time and again.
Not long ago. I visited the nuclear aircraft that the follies of today can be the truths
carrier Enterprise and was amazed to find of tomorrow.
boys under 20 manning consoles of multi-
million-dollar radar equipment. They were
responsible for the safety of American pilots
?-nd million-dollar aircraft miles away at sea.
At Loring Air Force Base, I talked with a
grease-stained enlisted man whom I found
working under a jet plane. "I understand
-tou are pretty good," I said, "at keeping these
planes In tiptop shape."
"No. Mr. Vice President." the 01 replied.
"We're not pretty good. We're the best."
His commanding officer, Brig. Gen. Frank
Elliott. completely agreed. 'I have been in
the Air Force a long time," he said. "This
crop of youngsters is the best yet. They are
more responsive and responsible."
No fewer than one-quarter of the members
of our armed services are under 20. Our
generals and admirals agree they are the
finest young fighting men this country has
ed a tou has their fathers of
d
ic
s g
A WEEK OF GOOD NEWS AND
SIGNIFICANT EVENTS
,Mr. GALLAGHER (at the request of
Mr. MATSUNAGA) was granted permission
to extend his remarks at this point in the
RECORD and to Include extraneous
matter.)
Mr. GALLAGHER. Mr. Speaker, re-
grettably, it is not always good news that
makes interesting reading. But last
week was full of good news and signifi-
cant events.
I think that it might be a good idea to
revive for a moment the now defunct
television program "That Was the Week
That Was." Last week the United States
,
ever pr
o
World War II and Korea, more alert and and the world were witness to some
adaptable and so more fit to use the complex things which it Seems impossible to
weapons of the space age. squeeze Into the space of a single 7-day
If I had to give the younger generation a period.
label, I would call them, as the President has, a
volunteer generation, I may not always agree The sigh of world relief and the when the Nation breathed Gathe 5
with the causes they serve, but I must always
admire the spirit with which they fight. It splashed safely into the Atlantic Ocean
could shame some of us older people who after setting a world endurance record.
pride ourselves on being concerned citizens. The threatening steel strike was de-
HOW FAR? layed and final settlement assured
For example, a poll in a national news through the efforts of President Johnson
magazine asked American students how far and the parties to the dispute.
they would go-beyond mere talk-to sup- The strife-torn Dominican situation
port a cause in which they believed. Some was finally brought to an accord and a
93 percent said they would sign a petition: new and hopefully lasting peace estab-
72 percent had already done so. Some 87 lished.
percent said they would contribute money; On August 30 and 31 the House and
58 percent had already done so. An amazing
43 percent were even ready to go to jail. Senate passed and sent to the President
More than 10,000 young volunteers are legislation creating a long needed Cabi-
now serving in the Peace Corps. Another net-level Department of Housing and
3.000 have already returned after tours of Urban Development.
duty. But most significant, more than Home rule for the District of Columbia
100.000 have asked to take part In this bold was brought a long way toward fruition
and Idealistic experiment. When VISTA with the completion of the discharge pe-
inestic in Service to America-the do-
mestic Peace Corps) was launched, more tition from the House District Commit-
than 3.000 Inquiries were received from tee. The 218 names on the petition will
young people on the first day of business. enable the bill to proceed to the floor of
When Parade's own editor, Jess Gorkin, had the House for a final vote.
tre Inspired idea to ask the young people of In the area of foreign affairs, further
America to "Work a Day for J.F.K.," the successes were noted In the war In Viet-
response was staggering. They went out by itam Confidence in the American and
the thousands to mow lawns, clean cars, run South Vietnamese armies continues to
kies and lemonade so they
ll
coo
errands, se
could donate their earnings to the John F. climb. WAN, of Ohio, long a Member of the House
Kennedy Memorial Library. There was no -secretary of Health, Education, and of Representatives of the Congress of the
compulsion such as Is brought by the Com- Welfare, Gardner has called for a much United States and a consistent and outstand-
missars In a Communist society. It was needed Hudson River pollution confer- ing exemplar of prudent Government con-
merely a suggestion in one magazine for
young people to accept or reject. ence to discuss a solution to end pollu- corn in the use and conservation of the water
resources of the Nation, he has contributed
All it takes to rouse today's young people tion in that great artery. greatly to the welfare and security of his
is motivation. They need to know that their On the economic scene, figures were country.
contribution has a purpose. I grew up when released showing that in the last month Given in the city of Washington, D.C.. this
it was important to help the family. It was U.S. exports were ahead of imports. 11th day of June 1985.
h
e
important that we dug vegetables out of the This situation could help to relieve t
and and stored them in the root cellar. It pressure from poor balance of payments.
w.ts important that we earned money to Each of these events in itself could be
h"Ip feed the family. Now In our prosperous
suburbs, it Is no longer important for young considered "great" or "deserving." How-
people to contribute to the livelihood. They ever, not one, but all, were accomplished
are Inclined to look upon the daily chores during the past week.
as merely an exercise in discipline. In each of these events there is one
I have complete faith In our young gen- man who weaves a thread of continuity
eration. Whenever I am weary or worried. I throughout them all. The leadership of
seek out young people. Many times, I have one man was behind each of these tri
walked out of a meeting, depressed and dis-
couraged, looking for some teenagers. I have limph3, in some, solely responsible, in
found them to be a tonic; they rekindle my others partly so. But on each of these
there was left an historical imprint-
L.B.J.
Acting in his capacity as President of
the United States, Lyndon Johnson pro-
vided the leadership-to bring each of
these events to a fruitful conclusion.
The President deserves the congratula-
tions and respect of this Nation for leav-
ing us with a long-to-be-remembered
"week-that-was."
RIVERS AND HARBORS CONGRESS
SALUTES MIKE KIRWAN
iMr. EDMONDSON was granted per-
mission to extend his remarks at this
point in the RzcoRD and to include ex-
traneous matter.)
Mr. EDMONDSON. Mr. Speaker, the
National Rivers and Harbors Congress
this year selected one of our colleagues to
receive a special citation and the George
Washington Memorial Award for Distin-
guished Service to the Cause of Water
Resources Development in the United
States,
To my way of thinking, the Rivers and
Harbor Congress could not have made a
finer selection of a recipient for this high
and distinguished honor than Congress-
man MICHAEL J. KIRWAN, Of Ohio, a mail
who has been dedicated to the cause of
water development throughout his long
and distinguished service in the House of
Representatives.
Mr. KIRWAN's record in the vital field
of development and conservation of
water, perhaps our most vital resource,
is unexcelled, and he is, in the words of
the National Rivers and Harbors Con-
gress citation, "a consistent and out-
standing exemplar of prudent Govern-
ment concern in the use and conserva-
tion of the water resources of the Na-
tion."
Mr. Speaker, I would like to have this
citation of our esteemed colleague's rec-
ord printed in the RECORD at this point:
The Committee on Awards of the National
Rivers and Harbors Congress, with the con-
currence of the directorate, having desig-
nated MICHAEL JOSEPH KIRWAN as most
worthy to receive the 1985 Award of the
George Washington Memorial the executive
committee have ordered the issue of the fol-
lowing citation for high courage and unself-
ish effort; for long years of public service,
and for a clear vision of the needs of the
future America, the George Washington
Memorial is awarded to MICHAEL JOSEPH KIR-
LOWER MANHATTAN EXPRESSWAY
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under
previous order of the House, the gentle-
man from New York [Mr. RYAN] is rec-
ognized for 15 minutes.
Mr. RYAN. Mr. Speaker, few public
policy proposals have been killed and
reborn as many times as New York City's
plan to build, with Federal assistance, a
highway across Manhattan.
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rate of decline will be down to 23 percent,
which he says is the "bust point," on that
day in 1970. It's 23 skidoo, you might say.
Of course, it's not absolutely necessary
that the liquidity trend line continue un-
broken. In fact, the good doctor is quite
sure the fatal date can be deferred, and he
has written extensively about ways to cor-
rect both national and international eco-
nomic problems of liquidity.
Domestically, he says, one obvious answer
is branch banking-just like you have in Cal-
ifornia. England, he recalls, hasn't had a
bank failure since the 1890's-thanks in good
part to the branch banking system.
But 32 States in the United States have
laws against branch banking. This despite
the fact that the record shows, for example,
that 82 percent of the 625 banks chartered
in Montana have folded, that 72 percent of
those chartered for Minnesota have gone
"bust."
He reminds that there were 30,100 banks in
the United States in 1930, but now there are
just 15,000.
"Apparently we'd rather have 'em go
busted than let `sm branch," says he.
Dr. Upgren will talk about some of these
matters today before the Life Underwriters
Association luncheon. He will, undoubted-
ly, adapt his remarks to the new significance
of life insurance.
For as liquidity declines, and as the in-
dividual gets older, cash value life insurance,
the rising earning power of money, take on
greater personal importance. As a senior
citizen himself, Dr. Upgren appreciates the
ENSION OF REMARKS
OF
HON. JACK BROOKS
OF TEXAS
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
Friday, September 24, 1965
Mr. BROOKS. Mr. Speaker on Sep-
tember 22, 1965, our distinguished col-
league from Pennsylvania, WILLIAM S.
MOORHEAD, addressed the 10th anniver-
sary banquet of the Univac Users Asso-
ciation, in Pittsburgh, Pa.
Speaking to this group he discussed
the use of computers by the Federal Gov-
ernment and the need for coordination
of automatic data processing manage-
ment on a Government-wide basis. As a
ranking majority member on the Gov-
ernment Activities Subcommittee, he has
studied this matter thoroughly and has
done much to perfect legislation recently
approved by the House of Representa-
tives which would bring about a more
efficient, businesslike management of
our Government ADP equipment.
His address, which reflects the findings
of the committee, follows:
Today, men stand in awe-and even in
fear-of the great computing machines
which can do so much.
We know our own frailties, the great ma-
chines appear to have none.
We hear people wondering about the rela-
tionship of man and the machine-who is
master, who is servant? Is it the infallible
machine or the only too fallible man?
Some lines that the great poet laureate,
John Mansfield, wrote may help us decide.
He said:
"Man consists of body, mind, and imagina-
tion. His body is faulty his mind untrust-
worthy, but his imagination has made him
remarkable."
The story of the great mathematician,
Karl Frederick Gauss, illustrates this precept,
In the year 1809 his imagination led him to
develop the formula for computing the
orbits of the planets in the solar system.
Subsequently, he spent 20 years computing
the orbits of the various planets. His great-
ness depends not upon his 20 years of com-
putations, but upon his one remarkable
formula. Today, Gauss' 20 years of computa-
tions could be accomplished in less than a
week on a modern computer. Imagine to
what greater heights the imagination of this
great mathematician might have soared had
he had a computer to do his unimaginative
work of calculation.
So tonight, I stand not so much in awe
of your machines, but in awe of you who use
the machines. I stand in awe of you who
have the imagination to devise the input and
who have the imagination to use the output
of these great machines.
The first all-electronic computer was con-
structed during World War II and delivered
to the Army Ordnance Corps in 1945.
Univac I, the first computer with general
data processing capability, was installed at
the Bureau of the Census in 1951. In 1954,
there were 10 computer systems in operation
within the Federal Government. By 1962,
the number had increased to 1,000. There
are now at least 2,000.
Today, your U.S. Government is the largest
user of computing machines in the entire
world. Your 10 years of experience in the
use of these machines can be of inestimable
value to your Government in the two prob-
lems which I would like to discuss with you
tonight: (1) managing the use of these
machines in the most efficient and eco-
nomical manner and (2) realizing the max-
imum benefit from their use.
Under the rules. of the House of Repre-
sentatives, the duty of "studying the opera-
tion of Government activities at all levels
with a view to determining its economy and
efficiency" is assigned to the Government
Operations Committee on which I serve.
With respect to automatic data processing,
this duty is specifically assigned to the
Brooks Subcommittee on Government
Activities.
For. several years this subcommittee, on
which I am the ranking majority member,
has been concerned about the deficiencies in
the manner in which the Federal Govern-
ment has been acquiring and using ADP
equipment.
In 1963 Congressman BRooxs, of Texas,
chairman of the subcommittee, introduced
legislation to make it possible for those
agencies in Government with ADP manage-
ment responsibilities to do a better job,
This bill was passed by the House but no
action was taken by the Senate and it died
at the end of the 88th Congress.
Soon after the 89th Congress convened in
January this year, this legislation was rein-
troduced. Comprehensive hearings were
held, the testimony evaluated, and a bill,
H.R. 4845, was reported to the House of
Representatives in July. A few weeks ago,
the House of Representatives unanimously
approved this measure and there is still time
for action in the Senate although I per-
sonally do not expect action until the next
A5445
ADP management which extend beyond the
confines of any particular agency and develop
the information the Bureau of the Budget
and other Federal officials need for policy
and decisionmaking purposes. To perform
this function, this legislation establishes in
GSA a revolving fund which would have
three principal purposes. First, it would
consolidate Government accounting of dis-
bursements and capital investment in ADP
so that Federal managers would have this
information available to them. Second, the
GSA would use this fiscal information, plus
the data obtained from a comprehensive
governmentwide inventory of ADP which
would be maintained through the use of a
data processing system, to increase use of
equipment the Government now has.
Third, the revolving fund would be used to
consolidate Government procurement of
ADP.
As ADP users, I believe that you will be
interested in some of the more pronounced
problems we have found in Government
ADP management. To some of you, espe-
cially those representing the larger organiza-
tions, some of these problems may sound
familiar.
A principal deficiency in present ADP
acquisition and use is the lack of gov-
ernmentwide coordination in management.
Although the selection and the use of equip-
ment must logically remain within the prov-
ince of the using agency, certain aspects
of ADP management require a coordinated
effort if the Government as a whole is to
achieve the most efficient acquisition and
use.
During the recent hearings, we learned
of a case where the Air Force sold what
was characterized as an old, obsolete, useless
ADP system for a thousand dollars. Yet,
at the same time, the Army was leasing the
same type of system for approximately
$50,000-a month. Approximately 18 months
later, the Army purchased the system for
about a quarter of a million dollars. We
could not determine whether the surplus
system could have been substituted for the
.equipment under lease, but at the time the
surplus system was sold, no serious attempt
was made to determine the feasibility of sub-
stituting the surplus for the leased system.
As a result, the Government may well have
lost a valuable option, A possibility.was
ignored which could have saved the taxpayer
many, many dollars.
I cite this example not so much in criti-
cism of the Defense Department but to
demonstrate the very real need for coordi-
nation in Government management of such
equipment.
During the hearings, we also found that
the three military services have each de-
signed and are procuring worldwide inven-
tory systems using ADP. Yet, design and
procurement of these three inventory sys-
tems, according to the Defense Department
witnesses appearing before the subcommittee,
were in no way coordinated and are not
necessarily compatible.
As a result of this lack of coordination the
Opportunity to save millions of dollars
through the standardization of these inven-
tory systems may have been lost.
The Comptroller General, in approximately
100 audit reports over the past 7 years has
ADP
Services Administration, ponsi
presently has managementfThese GAOn reports reveal
governmentwide responsibilities for the pro- some of the costly deficiencies of trying to
curement of common use items for the civil manage this equipment on an agency-by-
agencies of Government, is extended au- agency basis. And, from your own profes-
thority to coordinates ADP management on sional experience, I am sure that you are-
a, governmentwide basis. The GSA, is not aware of many occasions where organization-
given.arbitrary or dictatorial powers. But, wide coordination in the management of
operating under the policy and fiscal control common-use items of equipment or in the
of the Bureau of the Budget and the Presi- performance of similar functions has led to
dent, GSA would coordinate those aspects of greater efficiency and economy.
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Another serious deficiency is the lack of
adequate Information. I need not empha-
size to you the paramount need for timely.
pertinent, accurate information.
In Government. there is no adequate In-
formation as to ADP acquisition or use.
Funds for ADP are scattered throughout the
Federal Budget and there is no consolidated
fiscal data on ADP investment, costs or ex-
penditures. The only governmentwlde in-
formation available is in the form of highly
speculative estimates. As an example, at
this time, no one can give an estimate of
total Government ADP expenditures accurate
within hundreds of millions of dollars with-
out having the estimate subject to serious
challenge.
Through the use of the revolving fund
provided In our legislation and the compre-
hensive ADP inventory that would be estab-
lished, the Government would have the bene-
fits which logically flow from more adequate
management information essential to effec-
tive policy and dectsionmaking and manage-
ment control.
A low rate of equipment use resulting from
Inadequate Government-wide coordination Is
extremely costly to the taxpayers. The most
recent inventory of ADP equipment Indicates
that in the period of 1 year. the unused
ADP capacity in Government has risen from
500,000 to 640,000 hours. The General Ac-
counting Office estimates that is worth ap-
proximately 1400 million. Every hour of
ADP capacity in the hands of the Federal
Government that can efficiently and effec-
tively be used must be used. The Govern-
ment Operations Committee does not sug-
gest that unused ADP capacity be arbitrarily
assigned to meet agency requirements. Ex-
press provisions of our legislation preclude
such an approach. But, with an annual in-
vestment of up to 1400 million In unused ca-
pacity. a sum which is approximately one-
half of 1 percent of the total Federal budget,
there is a compelling need for prompt and
efficient action.
Under the legislation passed by the House,
the Government's sharing program would be
vastly improved. With accurate, up-to-date
Information as to equipment availability,
new Government ADP requirements hope-
fully could be matched with unused capacity
so as to avoid the acquisition of additional
systems whenever possible.
There have also been countless occasions
brought to the attention of the committee
where, through the exercise of purchase op-
tions, agencies could have bought equipment
under lease for sums less than the annual
payment. There are numerous examples
where several highly sophisticated systems
have been located In the same geographical
area, owned or leased by various agencies,
the total usage of which has not exceeded
the capacity of one system. One agency In-
stalled duplicate systems in the same build-
Ing side by Bide when the total capacity re-
quired was less than that of one system.
During the hearings on this legislation last
spring, the Comptroller General of the
United States, a man who by the very nature
of his personality and his position is not
given to making unreliable statements. estl-
mated that savings from this legislation as
ultimately approved by the Houes of Repre-
sentatives would amount to approximately a
quarter of a billion dollars annually and
could be expected to increase each year there-
after for an indefinite period In the future.
The Importance of efficient and economic
management of ADP equipment will Increase
in the future because we are now approach-
ing what many people refer to as the third
generation of ADP equipment.
A leading ADP expert describes this com-
ing generation: "Huge new machines with
fantastic memories and arithmetical capa-
cities linked to numerous smaller satellite
machines and serving literally dozens of
users simultaneously, are on the horizon at
even lower cost."
With the arrival of third-generation ADP
equipment, communications systems will
link large. fast. high-capacity data process-
ing systems to offices and laboratories of
numerous users. These users, instead of ac-
quiring an ADP system or visiting an ADP
service center, will feed problems or informa-
tion to be processed into the central com-
puter system over a communications system.
The user would have installed in his office or
laboratory an input-output component no
more conspicuous than Commonly used tele-
type units found in business offices through-
out the world. The user could either receive
an immediate response over this unit in-
stalled in his office or laboratory or the In-
formation could be accumulated for periodic
processing, recorded on tape or punched cards
at the ADP center, or a printed response
could be prepared at the center and mailed
or otherwise delivered to him.
These larger computers are more efficient
per unit of work. They process information
faster and have larger processing capacities-
but they coat more. So, to obtain the effi-
ciency inherent In these larger new comput-
ers, they must be kept busy. As a result,
fewer units of Government or business or
industry will have sufficient requirements
for processing capacity to justify sole use
of individual systems. The potentials of
the larger computers now In the offing which
can b-- integrated with communications Is so
great that full use of one system's maximum
capab'.lity 1s sufficient to fit the needs of
scores of potential users. And. the use of
the maximum potential of a third-genera-
tion system under conditions of optimum
efficiency can result-in a phenomenal reduc-
tion in ADP costs to individual users. This
greater potential and lower cost cannot be
Ignored by either Government or business
or Industry.
But lower cost of acquisition and opera-
tion is not the only problem in the field of
Government and computers.
At a time when decisions which Govern-
ment must make can have such a powerful
impact on the lives of each and every one of
its and when these decisions must be based
on an almost Infinite number of inter-
related factors---the question we must ask
Is-Is the Government getting the maximum
benefit from computer technology? With a
few exceptions the answer 1s "No."
To help to correct this situation, I intro-
duced yesterday House Joint Resolution 666
providing for the establishment of an
agency In the Executive Office of the Presi-
dent to be known as the President's Advisory
Staff on Scientific Information Management.
The purpose of the resolution is to as-
semble at the highest level of Government
an extremely high caliber staff of economists,
sociologists, mathematicians, and scientists
to develop decision-aiding systems, for use
by the Government.
Such action Is necessary, because ever
since World War 11 the rapid rate of change,
the brc^dth and depth of new knowledge,
and the complexity and interdependence of
today's sociological, technological, econom-
lcal and governmental factors has exceeded
the normal capacity of the human mind for
asAmilatlon on a scale equal to the demands
of this new environment.
Rerpons-ble decisionmakers in Govern-
men: and In industry need new techniques
and systems for organlz!ng, storing, retriev-
In'. integrating, analyzing, and testing the
mu!tituda of factors UDon which a rational
dec!s:on must rest.
Certain areas of industry and certain areas
of Government have developed Information
structures and decision-aiding techniques.
Sz>ma of these new techniques make sub-
stantial use of mathematics and the com-
puter sciences, mathematical programing,
mathematical rimulat!on, and econometrics.
Now is the time to use these techniques
at the highest level of Government where
the mass of relevant and important Infor-
mation IS the largest, where the complexity
of the interrelationships is the greatest and,
Bence, where the decieionmaking is most
difficult.
The agency which this resolution would
establish will give us a start on discovering
and applying new Information management
techniques to the major unsolved problems
of our society.
This proposal was first put forward a year
ago by the then Senator HUBERT HUMPHREY.
In Introducing then such a resolution Mr.
HUMPHREY said:
"Many of the current and impending
problems of our society will remain Insolv-
able until we discover and adapt informa-
tion management and decision-aiding tech-
niques which are commensurate with the
changes which have occurred and will occur
In our national and international environ-
ment."
Mr. HUMPHREY found It evident that "we
have many se: ious unsolved problems which
exceed In scope and complexity present in-
formation management and problem-solving
structures."
Experts say that the human mind has diffi-
culty In considering more than 10 or 20
factors at the same time In making decisions.
Yet, the unsolved problems of our society
may require thousands or hundreds of
thousands of factors or subfactors to be con-
sidered. Industry has learned to simulate
mathematically a given environment. By
varying the Input assumptions or by varying
subdecisions the decisionmaker can be given
rational basis on which to make alternative
decisions.
It should be emphasized that such de-
etsion-aiding techniques are only to aid
decistonmakers by providing them with the
type of information which will, along with
other factors, including their own judgment
and experience, assist them In establishing
sound policies and In making meaningful
decisions.
Thus, these modern techniques are con-
sistent with the processes of democratic gov-
ernment. The use of them may be necessary
for the survival of democratic government.
It is equally Important that we efficiently
manage ADP as we use this equipment to
manage our other affairs. To Government,
business, or Industry, the waste inherent in
unused ADP potential and errors in equip-
ment application or selection will be stag-
gering. Fortunately, this fantastic equip-
ment offers in itself the means for its own
efficient management. more of us with
primary responsibilities for the efficiency and
economy of Government operations are doing
everything that we can to constantly Improve
the management of the world's largest user
of ADP ro that Federal operations in this
area can match the sound businesslike ap-
proach which the competitive free enterprise
system requires of ADP users In business and
Industry.
When I think of the subject of Govern-
ment and computers-I can only plagiarize
your program-"The field is growing. The
present-challenging, the future--exciting."
What Cities Are Doing to People
EXTENSION OF REMARKS
or
HON. GLAIR CALLAN
OF NEBRASKA
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
Monday, Scpicmbcr 27, 1965
Mr. CALLAN. Mr. Speaker, the high
dramatic outbursts of violence in some
of our metropolises are receiving a great
deal of attention in all of our mass media
communication. A number of newspa-
per articles have mentioned the fact that
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theSecretary finds that conditions or prac-
tices in such mine are such that a danger
exists which could cause death or serious
physical harm immediately or before the
imminence of such danger can be eliminated,
such representative shall determine the ex-
tent of the area of such mine throughout
which the danger exists, and thereupon issue
an order requiring the operator of such
mine to cause all persons, except those per-
sons whose presence in such area is necessary
to eliminate the danger described in such
order, to be withdrawn from, and to be de-
barred from, entering such area.
(b) If, upon any such inspection or in-
vestigation, an authorized representative
finds that there has been a failure to comply
with a mandatory standard which is appli-
cable to such mine, but that such failure to
comply has not created a danger that could
cause death or serious physical harm in such
mine immediately or before the imminence
of such danger can be eliminated, he shall
find what would be a reasonable period of
time within which such violation should
be totally abated and thereupon issue a
notice fixing a reasonable time for the abate-
ment of the violation. If, upon the ex-
piration of such period of time as originally
fixed or extended, the authorized repre-
sentative finds that such violation has not
been totally abated, and if he also finds that
such period of time should not be further
extended, he shall also find the extent of the
area which is affected by such violation.
Thereupon, he shall promptly make an order
requiring the operator of such mine to cause
all persons in such area, excepting such per-
sons whose presence in such area is necessary
to eliminate the danger described in the
order, to be withdrawn from, and to be de-
barred from, entering such area.
(c) Findings and orders issued pursuant
to this section shall contain a detailed de-
scription of the conditions or practices which
cause and constitute a situation of immi-
nent danger or a violation of a mandatory
standard, and a description of the area of
the mine throughout which persons must
be withdraw and debarred.
SEc. 9. (a) Each finding made and notice
or order Issued under section 8 of this Act
shall be given promptly to the operator of
the mine to which it pertains by the person
making such finding or order, and all such
findings, orders, and notices shall be in writ-
ing, and shall be signed by the person mak-
ing them. A notice or ,order issued pursuant
to section 8 of this Act may be annulled,
canceled, or revised by an authorized repre-
sentative of the Secretary.
(b) An operator notified of an order may
appeal to the Secretary for annulment or
revision of such order, and the Secretary
shall issue regulations providing for such ap-
peals which shall include due notice and op-
portunity for a hearing.
(c) Any final order made by the Secretary
on appeal shall be subject to judicial review
by the United States court of appeals for the
circuit in which the mine affected is located,
upon the filing in such court of a notice of
appeal by the operator aggrieved by such
final order within twenty days from the date
of the making of such final order.
(d) The appellant shall forthwith send a
copy of such notice of appeal, by registered
mail or by certified mail, to the Secretary.
Upon receipt of such copy of a notice of
appeal the Secretary shall promptly certify
and file in such court a complete transcript
of the record upon which the order com-
plained of was made. The costs of such
transcript shall be paid by the appellant.
(e) The court shall hear such appeal on
the record made before the Secretary, and
shall permit argument, oral or written, or
both, by both parties.
(f) Upon such conditions as may be re-
quired, and to the extent necessary to pre-
vent irreparable injury, the United States
court of appeals may, after due notice to
and hearing of the parties to the appeal,
issue all necessary and appropriate process
to postpone the effective date of the final
order of the Secretary, or to grant such other
relief as may be appropriate pending final
determination of the appeal.
(g) The United States court of appeals
may affirm, annul, or revise the final order
of the Secretary, or it may remand the pro-
ceedings to the Secretary for such further,
actions as it directs. The findings of the
Secretary as to facts, if supported by sub-
stantial evidence on the record considered
as a whole, shall be conclusive.
SEC. 10. The Secretary shall require opera-
tors of mines which are subject to this Act
to submit, at least annually and at such other
times as he deems necessary, and in such
form as he may prescribe, reports of acci-
dents, injuries, and occupational diseases,
and related data, and the Secretary shall
compile, analyze, and publish, either in sum-
mary or detailed form, the information ob-
tained; and all information, reports, orders
or findings, obtained or issued under this
Act may be published and released to the
public, or any interested person, and shall
be made available for public inspection.
SEc. 11. (a) Whenever any operator (1)
violates or fails or refuses to comply with any
order of withdrawal and debarment issued
under section 8 or section 9 of this Act, or
(2) interferes with, hinders, or delays the
Secretary, or his duly authorized representa-
tive, in carrying out his duties under this
Act, or (3) refuses to admit an authorized
representative of the Secretary to any mine
which is subject to this Act, or (4) refuses
to permit the inspection or investigation of
any mine which is subject to this Act, or
of an accident, injury, or occupational dis-
ease occurring in or connected with such a
mine or (6) being subject to the provisions
of section 10 of this Act, refuses to furnish
any information or report requested by the
Secretary, a civil action for preventive relief,
including an application for a permanent
or temporary injunction, restraining order,
or other order, may be instituted by the
Secretary in the district court of the United
States for the district in which the mine in
question is located or in which the mine
operator has Its principal office.
(b) Whoever violates or fails or refuses
to comply with an order of withdrawal and
debarment issued (1) under subsection (a)
of section 8 or (2) under subsection (b) of
section 8 if the failure to comply with an
order of abatement has created a danger
that could cause death or serious physical
harm in such mine Immediately or before
the imminence of such danger can be elimi-
nated, shall upon conviction thereof be
punished for each such offense by a fine of
not less than $100, or more than $3,000, or
by imprisonment not to exceed sixty days, or
both. In any instance in which such offense
is committed by a corporation, the officer or
authorized representative of such corpora-
tion who knowingly permits such offense to
be committed shall, upon conviction, be sub-
ject to the same fine or imprisonment, or
both.
SEc. 12. The Secretary shall develop ex-
panded programs for the education and
training of employers and employees in the
recognition, avoidance, and prevention of
accidents or unsafe or unhealthful working
conditions In mines which are subject to
this Act.
SEc. 13. (a) Any State which desires to
assume responsibility for development and
enforcement of health and safety standards
in mines located in the State which are sub-
ject to this Act shall submit, through a
State mine inspection or safety agency, a
State plan for the development of such
standards and their enforcement.
21989
(b) The Secretary shall approve the plan
submitted by a State under subsection (a),
or any modification thereof, if, in the judg-
ment of the Secretary, such plan-
(1) designates the State agency submit-
ting such plan as the sole agency responsible
for administering the plan throughout the
State,
(2) provides for the development and en-
forcement of health and safety standards for
the purpose of the protection of life, the
promotion of health and safety, and the pre-
vention of accidents in mines in the State
which are subject to this Act, which are or
will be substantially as effective for such
purposes as the mandatory standards desig-
nated under section 6(b) and which provide
for inspection at least annually of all such
mines, other than quarries and sand and
gravel pits,
(3) contains assurances that such agency
has, or will have, the legal authority and
qualified personnel necessary for the enforce-
ment of such standards,
(4) gives assurances that such State will
devote adequate funds to the administration
and enforcement of such standards,
(5) contains reasonable safeguardsagainst
loss of life or property arising from mines
which are closed or. abandoned after the ef-
fective date of this Act.
(6) provides that the State agency will
make such reports to the Secretary, in such
form and continuing such information, as
the Secretary shall from time to time require.
(c) The Secretary shall, on the basis of
reports submitted by the State agency and
his own inspection of mines, make a con-
tinuing evaluation of the manner in which
each State having a plan approved under
this section is carrying out such plan. When-
ever the Secretary finds, after affording due
notice and opportunity for a hearing, that
in the administration of the State plan there
is a failure to comply substantially with any
provision of the State plan (on any assur-
ance contained therein), he shall notify the
State agency of his withdrawal of approval
of such plan and upon receipt of such notice
such plan shall cease to be in effect.
(d) The provisions of sections 8, 9, and 11
of this Act shall not be applicable in any
State in which there is in effect a State plan
approved under subsection (b).
SEC. 14. The Secretary shall provide that
the major responsibility for administering
the provisions of this Act shall be vested in
the agency of the Department of the In-
terior which has the major responsibility
for carrying out the Federal Coal Mine Safety
Act.
SEc. 15. Except as provided in subsection
(c) of section 6 of this Act the Administra-
tive Procedure Act shall not apply to the
making of any finding, order, or notice pur-
suant to this Act, or to any proceeding for
the annulment or revision of any such find-
ing, order, or notice.
SEc. 16. There are authorized to be appro-
priated out of any moneys in the Treasury,
not otherwise appropriated, such sums as
may be necessary to carry out the provisions
of this Act.
SEc. 17. This Act shall become effective on
the date of its enactment, except that sec-
tions 8, 9, and 11 shall become effective one
year after such date.
Mr. O'HARA of Michigan (interrupt-
ing the reading). Mr. Chairman, I ask
unanimous consent that the bill be con-
sidered as read and open to amendment
at any point.
The CHAIRMAN. Is there objection
to the request of the gentleman from
Michigan?
There was no'objection.
The CHAIRMAN. The clerk will re-
port the first committee amendment.
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The Clerk read as follows: ment of the next regular session of the legis-
Page 12, line 18, strike out "8, 9, and 11" lature of such State convening after the date
and insert In lieu thereof "8 and 9, and of Of publication of notice In the Federal Regia-
subsection (b) and paragraph (1) of subsec- ter Of the designation of mandatory stand-
tion (a) of section 11". ards as provided for in section 8(b) of this
Act."
The committee amendment was agreed On page 12. line 18, strike out "(d)" and
to. Insert "ie)"
The CHAIRMAN. The Clerk will re- On page 13, line 2, after the period insert
port the next committee amendment, the following: "The Secretary acting through
The Clerk read as follows: this agency, shall have authority to appoint.
Page 13, l11, strike out "8, 9, and 11" subject to the civil service laws, such officers
and insert line i lieu thereof "out 9, and sub- and employees as he may deem requisite for
duties of this Act; and to prf
the section (b) and paragraph (1) of subsection scribe administration
(a) of section 11". powers, duties and responsibilities o o1
alt officers and employees engaged In the
The committee amendment was agreed administration of this Act: Provided, how-
to ever. That, to the maximum extent feasible
in the selection of persons for appointment
AMENDMENTS OFFERED SY MR. O'HAEA OF as mine Inspectors, no person shall be so
MICHIGAN selected unless he has the basic qualifica-
Mr. O'HARA of Michigan. Mr. Chair- tion of at least five years practical mining ex-
man, I have a number of amendments perlence and in assigning mine inspectors
to offer, and I ask unanimous consent to the inspection and Investigation of In-
that they be considered en bloc, dividual mines, due consideration shall be
given to their CHAIRMAN. Is there objection the ection In tr previous practical experience
State. district. , o or region. , where such
to the request of the gentleman from inspections are to be made."
Michigan?
There was no objection. Mr. O'HARA of Michigan. Mr. Chair-
The Clerk read as follows: man, these amendments, I believe, are
Amendments offered by Mr. O73ASA of for the most part self-explanatory. The
Michigan: On page 3, line 1, after "of which" major amendment provides for a system
Insert "substantially". of judicial review of the Secretary's de-
On page D. line 5, strike out "the public. cision denying the approval of a State
or... plan or withdrawing approval of a State
On page 10, line 21, after "which" insert plan. In addition, the qualifications that
at any time,". we desire for Inspectors under this act
On page 11, line 4, strike out the comma are spelled out and the effective date is
at the end of the line, and in line 5, strike changed to make sure that a State legis-
out "In the judgment of the secretary,". lature will have an opportunity to con-
lowing: n page 12, after line 17. insert the foe- sider any changes that need to be made
with the (d) (t) Secretary's Is fianynal state action is with h respect dissatisfied in its State safety law and adopt those
to the approval of its State plan submitted changes before the Federal law will be-
under subsection (a) or with his final action come effective in that State.
under the second sentence of subsection (c), Mr. QUIE. Mr. Chairman, will the
such State may, within sixty days after no- gentleman yield?
tice of such action, file with the United States Mr. O'HARA of Michigan. I yield to
court of appeals for the circuit in which such
State is located a petition for review of that the gentleman from Minnesota.
action. A copy of the petition shall be forth- Mr- QUIE. In one of the amendments
with transmitted by the clerk of the court to considered en bloc, on page 11, line 5,
the Secretary. The Secretary thereupon shall you delete the words "in the judgment of
file in the court the record of the proceedings the Secretary." Somebody has to make
on which he based his action, as provided in the decision whether the State plans
section 2112 of title 28, United States Code. comply with the six factors Involved here.
"(2) The findings of fact by the Secretary. I wish the gentleman would address him-
If supported by substantial evidence, shall be self as to how the decision is made in the
conclusive: but the court, tot good cause place before the judicial review pro-
shown, , may remand the
to case to the e Secretary y
to take further evidence, and the Secretary ceedings,
may thereupon make new or modified find- Mr. O'HARA of Michigan. The gen-
ings of fact and may modify his previous tiernan is correct, of course. As it will
action, and shall certify to the court the rec- read :
ord of the further proceedings. Such new or
modified findings of fact shall likewise be The Secretary shall approve the plan sub-
conclusive if supported by substantial evi- mitted by a State under subsection (a), or
dence. any modification thereof. If such plan meets
"(3) The court shall have jurisdiction to the following tests.
affirm the action of the Secretary or to set it Of course, the Secretary would make
aside. In whole or in part. The judgment of that decision based upon those tests.
the court shall be subject to review by the Then the decision would be reviewable
Supreme Court of the United States upon cer-
tiorari or certification as provided In section
1254 of title 28, United States Code." Mr. QUIE. I thank the gentleman. I
On page 13, strike out lines 12, 13. 14, and think this clarifies the effect of the lan-
15. and insert in lieu thereof the following: guage change.
"Sc. E17. This Act shall become effective Mr. HATHAWAY. Mr. Chairman,
on the date of its enactment, except that will the gentleman yield?
-enr.ions 8 and 9, and subsection (b) and
paragraph (1) of subsection (a) of section Mr. O'HARA of Michigan. I yield to
I I shall become effective one year after the the gentleman from Maine.
date of publication of notice in the Federal Mr. HATHAWAY. On that point, Is
Register of the designation of mandatory my understanding correct, that pending
:standards as provided for in section 6(b) the appeal as proposed by the amend-
of this Act: Provided, however, sections 8
and 9. and subsection (b) and paragraph ment the status quo would be maintained
(1) of subsection (a) of section 11 shall not unless undue hardship or Irreparable
become effective with respect to any State Injury would result. In the opinion of
sooner than ninety days following adjourn- the circuit court?
Mr. O'HARA of Michigan. The ordi-
nary provisions of the Judicial Code
would apply. I believe they require that
the status quo be retained unless there
is particularly impelling reason why it
should not be pending decision on ap-
peal.
Mr. HATHAWAY. I thank the gen-
tleman.
The CHAIRMAN. The question is on
the amendments offered by the gentle-
man from Michigan.
The amendments were agreed to.
The CHAIRMAN. Under the rule, the
Committee rises.
Accordingly. the committee rose; and
the Speaker having resumed the chair,
Mr. MONAGAN, Chairman of the Commit-
tee of the Whole House on the State of
the Union, reported that that Committee,
having had under consideration the bill
(H.R. 8989) to promote health and safety
in metal and nonmetallic mineral indus-
tries, and for other purposes, pursuant to
House Resolution 525, he reported the
bill back to the House with sundry
amendments adopted by the Committee
of the Whole.
The SPEAKER. Under the rule, the
previous question is ordered.
Is a separate vote demanded on any
amendment? If not, the Chair will put
them en gros.
The amendments were agreed to.
The SPEAKER. The question is on
the engrossment and third reading of
the bill.
The bill was ordered to be engrossed
and read a third time, and was read the
third time.
The SPEAKER. The question is on
the passage of the bill.
The bill was passed.
A motion to reconsider was laid on the
table.
GENERAL LEAVE TO EXTEND
Mr. O'HARA of Michigan. Mr. Speak-
er, I ask unanimous consent that all
Members have 5 legislative days in which
to extend their remarks on the bill just
passed.
The SPEAKER. Is there objection to
the request of the gentleman from Michi-
gan?
There was no objection.
AUTOMATIC DA -ROCESSING
EQUI
Mr. BROOKS. Mr. Speaker, I move
that the House resolve itself into the
Committee of the Whole House on the
State of the Union for the consideration
of the bill (H.R. 4845) to provide for the
economic and efficient purchase, lease,
maintenance, operation, and utilization
of automatic data processing equipment
by Federal departments and agencies.
The SPEAKER. The question is on
the motion offered by the gentleman
from Texas.
The motion was agreed to.
IN TIIE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE
Accordingly, the House resolved itself
into the Committee of the Whole House
on the State of the Union for the con-
sideration of the bill H.R. 4845, with Mr.
MONACAN in the chair.
The Clerk read the title of the bill.
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By unanimous consent, the first read- thousands of hours of available auto- not come within the confines of this leg-
ing of the bill was dispensed with. matic data processing capacity go un- islation. The procurement and applica-
Mr. BROOKS. Mr. Chairman, I yield used each year. Government-wide co- tion of components of this kind would
to myself 5 minutes. ordination along with the up-to-date in- remain the complete responsibility of the
(Mr. BROOKS asked and was given ventory will permit more extensive shar- Defense Department and other agencies
permission to revise and extend his re- Ing of equipment capacity and facilitate having use for them.
marks.) the establishment of data processing Nor would this system be concerned
Mr. BROOKS. H.R. 4845 provides for service centers. with specially designed digital and ana-
the economic and efficient purchase, Third. Improvement which this legis- log components which have no general
lease, maintenance, operation, and utili- lation would make is in the procure- purpose potential. As in the case of
zation of automatic data processing ment of automatic data processing equip- space and military components, these
equipment by Federal departments and ment. Through consolidating the ac- specialized items would remain the full
agencies. quisition of these expensive computers, responsibility of the departments and
The Federal Government is the largest the Government's bargaining position agencies requiring them.
user of automatic data processing in the will be markedly improved, resulting in In summary, our concern is for the
world. Expenditures now exceed $3 bil- more competitive pricing and volume general purpose mass-produced, com-
lion annually or more than 3 percent of discounts. mercially available automatic data proc-
the total Federal budget. These expendi- The Committee on Government Opera- essing systems and components which
tures are expected to increase indefi- tions approved similar legislation unani- make up approximately 90 percent of
nitely. mously in the 88th Congress. That leg- the automatic data processing in use in
Presently there is no comprehensive islation passed the House by a decisive go ernment.
management program of . the Govern- margin on July 18, 1963. Motion to re- R. 4845 further provides that the
ment's automatic data processing equip- commit: 96 yeas, 258 nays. The Senate Administrator of GSA might delegate
ment. The Bureau of the Budget recom- failed to act on the legislation in the last any of the coordinating or acquisition
mended Government-wide coordination Congress. The bill we are considering authority extended to him in this legis-
as early as 1959. In a series of about 100 today is the same legislation with two lation with regard to any individual auto-
audit reports to Congress and the agen- additional provisions: matic data processing system for reasons
cies, the General Accounting Office has One, a subsection has been added to of national security and defense or for
pointed to the great waste incurred as a the bill expressly delegating responsi- purposes of economy and efficiency.
result of present disjointed agency-by- bility to the Secretary of Commerce for Thus, at any time it can be shown that
agency approach to automatic data pro- scientific and technological matters re- national security and defense or econo-
cessing management. The contents of lating to automatic data processing, par- my and efficiency require that general
these 100 reports have clearly demon- titularly in the area of standardization purpose automatic data processing sys-
strated the need for providing Govern- and compatibility. Under this legisla- tems or components be acquired directly
ment-wide coordination in the manage- tion, the National Bureau of Standards by an agency outside the scope of this
ment of these resources, would undertake automatic data process- program, or be exempt from any of the
In the hearings on this bill, the former ing research and.provide advisory serv- coordination efforts delegated the GSA,
Comptroller General, the Honorable Jo- ices to the agencies and the Administra- that the Administrator could delegate
seph Campbell, conservatively estimated tor of GSA. authority to the appropriate agency to
that enactment of this legislation would The second new subsection contains ieve this desired result.
result in savings of at least $200 million express language guaranteeing agencies Lastly, the bill, as indicated above,
a year. and other users that the Administrator does not permit any blanket exemption of
The concept of this legislation is not of GSA will not interfere in either the any agency or broad variety of equip-
a new idea but is a well-accepted princi- selection or use of automatic data proc- ment. Some agencies have strongly rec-
ple of good management that has been essing. Under this legislation, the agen- ommended that they be exempt from
successfully applied to the Government cies and the contractors will continue provisions of this bill, or that the agency
in such areas as telecommunications, the to select exactly the equipment they re- head be given the authority, in his dis-
inter-agency motor pool, and the defense quire just as they do now. As I have cretion, to remove his agency from this
supply agency. This amendment to the previously indicated, if a user determines coordinating program. The committee
Federal Property and Administrative that an IBM 360 is needed to meet his strongly supports the Comptroller Gen-
Services Act sets up a Government-wide requirements, that is what he will get. eral in his view that any such authority
coordinated management program This entire program is expressly placed would negate the purposes of this legisla-
through which the Government can keep under the direction of the President in tion, as _ I have outlined.
track of its automatic data processing order to avoid any possibility that one In summary, therefore, the bill covers
investment and more wisely predict and agency could interfere with the proper only general purpose, mass-produced,
control its future expenditures. Legis- functioning of another agency. commercially available automatic data
lation is needed because the experience This legislation must necessarily be processing components, 90 percent
of the past 10 years shows that a statu- drafted in broad general terms. The of Government automatic data process-
tory definition of responsibilities Is es- purpose of the bill is to provide a perim- ing and the GSA Administrator is au-
sential, and because optimum efficiency eter of organizational responsibility and thorized, subject to policy review of the
requires an automatic data processing re- authority. It Is neither necessary nor Bureau of the Budget and as the Presi-
volving fund which cannot be provided possible to provide in legislative form dent may direct, to exempt from this co-
administratively. detailed statutory instructions to all of- ordinated management program any
The bill provides for three funda- ficials of government involved in auto- general purpose automatic data proc-
mental improvements in automatic data matic data processing management. essing systems and components when
processing management which the Gov- Traditionally, Congress has approached such action is necessary.for national de-
ernment must have if these savings are problems of this kind through general fense or for economy and efficiency.
to be realized. delegations providing that the agencies The Government Operations Com-
First. Up-to-date management infor- involved shall issue appropriate regula- mitte has thoroughly investigated Gov-
mation would be provided Federal man- tions which can be altered from time to ernment data processing management
agers. Through the use of an automatic time as changes in circumstances and for over 3 years. In addition to our own
data processing inventory and accom- new problems or opportunities for more investigations, we have the benefit of two
panying fiscal information from the re- efficient operations arise. comprehensive Bureau of the Budget
volving fund, responsible legislative and H.R. 4845 is aimed at general purpose, management studies-one in 1959, an-
executive officials could make more in- commercially available, mass produced other in 1965-as well as the benefit of
formed decisions. automatic data processing systems and 100 General Accounting Office audit re-
Second. The legislation would improve components. Elements of space and de- ports. Based upon this massive collec-
the possibility of the Government fense systems, such as the automatic tion of studies and investigations which
achieving optimum utilization of its au- data processing components in missiles have taken place over a period of 7
tomatic data processing. Hundreds of and aircraft guidance systems, would years, the time has come for Congress
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to take r:.asunable but effective action to re_nailinir. 'S:ii c:)rnputers or 11 percent ing a revolving fund concept to effect
sure the establishment of efficient auto- o. r distribu~ed amongst the remainder sound savings.
r;t r i' ( is processing management in Of the Governrlte:rr, agencies, Furthermore, H.R. 4845 as amended
-1 11!1111t. wince tine initial Bureau of the Budget requires an annual report to the Bureau
HALL. Mr. Chairman, will the 1959 automatic data processing study of the Budget and to the Congress of
'em an yield? Iohowed by it ;eri.?; of BOB c_i?cuiars, the equipment inventory, utilization, and ac-
:. BROOKS. I yield to the gentle- latest being 4-7 of March 6, 1965, the quisitions, together with an account of
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indrt frwn Missouri. Comptroller General has issued approxi- receipts, disbursements, and transfers to
::Ir. HALL. I appreciate the gentle- rnately 100 cud.t report:, sharply critical miscellaneous receipts.
ratan yielding. Will the gentleman as- of cu-.er:imelit automatic data pioces- I believe that is a salutary and needed
sure the House there has been adequate. iittii.a c'ni('iit and of uneconomic report to the Congress.
or tis adequate as there can be, protcc- priiclareniru' costing the taxpayer mil- As Members know, we are now enter-
tion of security from electronics, and the hops tit d_,llars ing the third generation of computers, in
data processing machines, if they are to '1'hi. Gucerurn ?nt Activities Subcom- which central computers of a high capac-
be owned outright and or controlled by nuctee recommended similar legislation ity will supply the needs of many users.
the Government? t th, BBoose On June 19, 1963. and that Already automatic data processing pro-
Mr. BROOKS. Yes. That is the full leaislatioti, as aniended. H.R. 5171, was curement costs represent 3 percent of
intent of the legislation. apiiroced July 18. 1963. the Federal budget. It is high time that
%fr. HALL. Would the gentleman fur- Mr. Chairman. H.R. 4845 would add legislation of this general character be
t.her have any information about the section 111 to the Federal Property and passed, so that the advantages of cen-
percentage of one company rna-aufactur- Administrative Services Act of 1949 (63 tral procurement with volume discounts
ing anti or control, or leasing to the Gov- Stat. 37? ? . extending responsibility to the will accrue to the taxpayers. It is in-
eriiment of these machines? Administrator of General Services, sub- creasingly essential that the executive
Mr?. BROOKS. I really do not know. iect to overall direction by the President snake savings through the establishment
There are five or six major producers. and fiscal and policy control by the Bu- of equipment pools, data processing serv-
We have not gone into this on the basis reau of the Budget. for the economic and ice centers, and above all, through effec-
of the individual manufacturers. To be efficient purchase, lease, and utilization tive management and utilization and
candid about it, 70 percent or more is of automatic data processing equipment through economic procurement. I com-
produced by one major manufacturer. necessary to. meet the requirements of pliment the chairman of the subcom-
1Mr. HALL,. I appreciate the gentle- the Federal Government. The proposed mittee, the gentleman from Texas, JACK
man yielding. new section is divided into seven sub- BROOKS, on his initiative and strongly
Mr. FARNUM. Mr. Chairman, will sections. Subsections (ai and ib) pro- urge passage of H.R. 4845 by the House.
the gentleman yield" vide the basic authority to be exercised Mr. BROOKS. Mr. Chairman, I yield
Mr. BROOKS. I yield to the gentle- by the Administrator of GSA. Subsec- 3 minutes to the distinguished gentle-
man. Lion i c , authorizes the establishment of man from Utah [Mr. KING I.
Par. FARNUM. As I understand the a revolving fund to finance the activities tMr. MONAGAN (a the request of Mr.
bill. it would only provide coordination tiridertaken by the Administrator in pur- KING of Utah) was granted permission
in the purchase and lease and establish- suauce of this authority. Subsection to extend his remarks at this point in the
ntent of pools for the use of automatic d- provides for the administration of RECORD.
data processing; is this right? this fund. and subsection lei prescribes Mr. MONAGAN. Mr. Chairman I sup-
Mr. BROOKS. The establishment of that other provisions of law which are port H.R. 4845 and I want to compliment
pools would be allowed under this bill. inconsistent with the provisions of this the gentleman from Texas [Mr. BROOKS]
Mr. FARNUM. I would like to refer section shall not be applicable in the for his efforts in bringing this bill to
to the bill on page 5, line 21 to line 23. aclnrinistration of this section. Subsec- the floor for consideration.
where it limits the authority of the ad- tion ~ f , authorizes the Secretary of This bill constitutes a further im-
rninistator. Commerce to undertake necessary re- portant attempt to bring efficiency and
How are we going to bring about effi- search and to provide scientific and tech- progress to the operations of our Govern-
ciency unless we have really true co- nolot leaf advisory services relating to ment.
ordination of equipment purchased or the use of automatic data processing in There has been a vast increase in the
leased by the Government. the Government. Subsection (g) pro- use of automatic data processing equip-
Mr. BROOKS. The primary objec- vides that the authority conferred by ment in recent years and this type of
live of the bill is to coordinate the use this section shall be exercised subject to equipment has become a vital force in
of this equipment. But you would have direction by the President and by the carrying on the mechanical activities of
government
to give each agency full authority to Bureau of the Budget. government.
select that equipment that will meet its The bill v e are considering will make
own need. Then after that equipment The Acting Comptroller General of the it possible to end the unorganized use of
is provided, if there is extra time on it, United States. Frank H. Weitzel, be- this vital modern equipment and will
it will be available to other agencies and lieves in spite of sonic reservations that provide a pool of such items to aid ad-
you would not thereby interfere with the H.R. 4845 is. and I quote, "a good bill, a ministrators where necessary but at the
management of the various departments big step in the right direction." The same time avoid backing up groups of
and agencies of the Government. latest report issued by the Comptroller idle equipment.
Mr. REID of New York. Mr. Chair- General in August 1965, "Management of Once again, Mr. Chairman, the Com-
ntan. I yield myself 5 minutes. Automatic Data Processing Facilities in mittee on Government Operations has
Mr. Chairman and members of the the Federal Government," underscores lived up to its mandate and has brought
committee, the bill, H.R. 4845, provides the need for action in this regard. forth constructive legislation which will
for the economic and efficient purchase. Mr. Charles L. Schultze, a Director of contribute to the greater efficiency of
lease, maintenance, operation, and utili- the Bureau of the Budget supports H.R. operation of our Nation's business.
nation of automatic data processing 4845 and lie has stated and I quote, "We I hope that all Members will support
equipment by Federal departments and think on balance, it is a good bill." this bill.
a_encies. Mr. Schultze estimates that it will ef- Mr. KING of Utah. Mr. Chairman, I
Current expenditures by the Federal feet substantial savings on the order of rise in support of H.R. 4845. I congratu-
Government are estimated by the Bureau $50 million to $100 million annually. late the gentleman from Texas [Mr.
of'the Budget to be running at a rate of The Government Activities Subcommit- BROOKS! for successfully bringing this
s3 billion annually. tee estimates a somewhat higher sav- bill to the floor of the House, after much
'1?he automatic data processing inven- ing, possibly up to $200 million annually effort, and long hearings. The matter
t'n-y as of June 30, 1965, according to the if this legislation is rigorously and effec- of Goverrunent acquisition of automatic
c.eneral Services Administration, stands tively implemented with good manage- data processing equipment is so complex
at 2,188 computer configurations. Of meat procedures, better utilization of that very few men can claim to fully
these. 1.497 or 68 percent are in the De- excess or unused automatic data proc- comprehend it. But like so many other
partment of Defense. NASA and the essing capacity and greater emphasis on complex matter's, it is governed by a few
AEC have 434 or 21 percent while the the most economic procurement includ- simple principles, easily understood by
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all, and which principles are embodied H.R. 4845, and finding itself without a talking about today and serving on the
in H.R. 4845. quorum he had dir
cted th ll
t
b
The Government now acquires, direct-
ly or indirectly, some $3 billion worth of
automatic data processing equipment per
year. This equipment is thus probably
the most costly single item currently
purchased for Government inventory.
Moreover, the figure will probably in-
crease, rather than decrease, as the years
advance. In view of this fact it is al-
most beyond comprehension that the
Government is not able to indicate, at
this time, just how many units of auto-
matic data processing equipment are
presently in use. But such is the fact.
One gets the impression that the Gov-
ernment can better account for its 5-
cent lead pencils than it can its $500,000
pieces of automatic data processing
equipment. It is paradoxical that in
view of the fact that the purpose of auto-
matic data processing equipment is to
bring order out of chaos, the manage-
ment and programing of automatic data
processing purchases and use should be
so chaotic. "Physician, heal thyself."
It is to be hoped that the General Serv-
ices Administration will be able to secure
the use of a piece of automatic data
processing equipment to help it keep
track of the other 2,000 pieces of equip-
ment. This bill will enable it to do so.
I urge the enactment of H.R. 4845.
Mr. BINGHAM. Mr. Chairman, I
make the point of order that a quorum
is not present.
The CHAIRMAN. The Chair will
count. After counting, 49 Members are
present, not a quorum.
The Clerk will call the roll.
The Clerk called the roll, and the fol-
lowing Members failed to answer to their
names :
[Roll No. 2601
Abbitt Halleck O'Neal, Ga.
Abernethy Halpern Pool
Anderson, Tenn Hanley
Andrews, Hanna
George W. Harsha
Ashbrook Hays
Aspinall Hebert
Bandstra Henderson
Baring Holland
Bates Johnson, Okla
Bolling Karth
Bolton Kee
Bonner King, N.Y.
Bow Kluczynskf
Brock Kornegay
Broomfield Krebs
Cahill Landrum
Callan Lennon
Cameron Lindsay
Celler? Long, La.
Chelf Long, Md. Smith, Iowa
Clancy McMillan Smith, N.Y.
Clawson, Del MacGregor Steed
Collier Martin, Ala. Stephens
Conable Martin, Mass. Sullivan
Corman Martin, Nebr. Thomas
Derwinski Mathias Thompson, N.J.
Devine Matthews Toll
Diggs Meeds Tupper
Dwyer Michel Ullman
Evans, Tenn. Miller Utt
Fino Minshall Vanik
Fraser Moeller Walker, Miss.
Frelinghuyson Morgan Watkins
Fulton, Tenn. Morse Wh.i tten
Gilligan Mosher " idnal
Greigg Murray Willis
Griffin Nedzi Wilson,
Grifths Nix Charles If.
Accordingly, the Committee rose; and
the Speaker having resumed the chair,
Mr. MONAGAN, Chairman of the Commit-
tee of the Whole House on the State of
the Union, reported that that. Committee,
having had under consideration the bill,
e
e ro
o
e comnuttee on economy and efficiency
called, when 314 Members responded to in our government for almost 10 years
their names, a quorum, and he sub- and in being responsible for 4 years for
mitted herewith the names of the ab- the approval of the methods and systems
sentees to be spread upon the Journal. used by government not only in our
The Committee resumed its sitting. State but in county and local govern-
Mr. BROOKS. Mr. Chairman, I yield ment and in the more efficient use of the
5 minutes to the gentleman from Michi- taxpayer's dollar. I in particular had
gan [Mr. FARNUMI. to be concerned with the use of this kind
(Mr. FARNUM asked and was given of equipment and its full utility to bring
permission to revise and extend his re- about the best uses that could be made
marks.) of equipment at the least cost. One of
Mr. FARNUM. Mr. Chairman, i the things that concerns me-and if you
wholeheartedly support this legislation. just want to look at it, it is on page 10
It is my understanding that for more of this report, where it lists the equip-
than 3 years,the Government Operations ment we already have in the Federal
Committee has objectively evaluated Government-is that in 10 or more in-
automatic data processing management stallations we find we have one company
in Government. The Committee has alone which has 53.9 percent of this
considered the contents of 100 General equipment. Is this good or is it bad?
Accounting Office audit reports. The This report further states that if we have
contents of two Bureau of the Budget this legislation and pass it-and I hope
management studies have been taken we do-one of the things we are going to
into consideration. One study dates be able to get out of it is we are going to
back to 1959. Another, which more or be able to get the advantage of the vol-
less reiterates to a large degree the rec- ume purchase and the low price for the
ommendations of the first, was made equipment. This is awfully important
only a few months ago. In addition, the to each and every one of us. .
all agencies of Government desiring to
testify and has submitted to the House
a comprehensive, but concise, report
outlining what to be done and, most im-
portant, providing the ways by which
the improvements which must be made
can be brought about. This legislation
is very limited in scope, but fundamental
in approach. Essentially, it is an in-
ventory bill which, in addition, provides
for coordinating those aspects of man-
agement which cannot economically be
considered within any one particular
agency. The bill contains no provisions
which do not reflect proven management
concepts which in other applications
have brought efficiency and economy to
for a number of years in the purchase
or the lease of this kind of equipment
it has been on a one-piece purchase or
lease concept. This, in effect, gives us a
high price and not the low price that we
should be getting. So we need very
much to have this legislation, which is
the. first step that has to be taken to
bring about full economy and efficiency.
I ask the full support of the member-
ship to pass this piece of legislation
which I think is essential for us to get
started in order to bring about not only
the pooling of information necessary to
bring about the economical purchase or
lease of this equipment but eventually
provide the full utility and the most of@-
per
ness
a. Mr. BROOKS. Mr. Chairman, I yield
The bill must necessarily be stated In tana minutes to the gentleman from OLSEN]
broad general terms because to do other- (Mr. OLSEN SEN o.
wise would create more problems than was, given asked and
we would solve. The bill essentially es- tend ~ hgiven permission to revise and ex-
we
the authority and responsibility his remarks.)
for automatic data processing manage- Mr. OLSEN of Montana. Mr. Chair-
for
and then provides the means by of man, the I thank the Subcommittee on on Government distinguished lna Ac-
which those who have this authority and tivities, the gentleman from Texas [Mr.
responsibility can do a better job than BROOKS] for his courtesy in yielding me
they can today. This legislation is nec- this time to discuss this bill.
essary. The very fact that automatic I am obliged to disagree with parts of
data processing management constitutes this bill. I am obliged to oppose it be-
a matter of concern after the problem cause of its high cost to the Government
was first recognized almost 10 years ago, and because it would result in building
indicates the need that some more ef- what amounts to a new Federal agency
fective approach by Congress is neces- within the General Services Administra-
sary. In addition, the revolving fund, tion with power to interfere in the pro-
which simply provides for the consoli- curement and operation of highly com-
dated accounting of Government auto- plicated computer systems within our
matic data processing under a modern Federal agencies.
effective accrual system, is essential to I oppose it because the bill conflicts
every aspect of the bill. If utilization with the President's report in March
of this fund is limited in anyway, the 1965, on this subject.
effectiveness of this legislation would There are three problems involving
be limited. and, the potential savings in the alleged waste of money that this bill
tax funds would be correspondingly is intended to solve. GSA is made a cen-
reduced. tral procurement agency for automatic
Gentlemen of this body, I have spent data processing equipment for the Fed-
10 years in my State before coming to eral Government through the use of a
the Congress of the United States deal- revolving fund. This revolving fund will
ing with just exactly the problem we are enable agencies to purchase equipment
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Pucinski
Quillen
Redlin
Reid, Ill.
Reinecke
Resnick
Roberts
Robison
Roncalio
Roosevelt
Rumsfeld
Ryan
St Germain
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when they have not received appropria- of the Federal Property and Administrative year 1967, such direct operating expenses as
lions for the purchase of the equipment. Services Act of 1948 (63 ytat. 377), as amend- may be directly appropriated for, which ex-
The contention is that under the new ed. is hereby amended by adding a new sec- pecses may be charged to the fund and cov-
tion to read as follows: creel by advances or reimbursements from
tban am agencies
equipment. There purchase will be rather ??1L'T(%\SA-ric DATA ^a[,CESSING EptrlexlENT such direct appropriations) and (2) refunds
han or recoveries resulting from operations of the
ci,ondary users and computers will run Sr.c. 111. i a) The Administrator is author- fund, including the net proceeds of disposal
on a 24-hour-a-day basis. The fact that ized and directed to coordinate and provide of excess or surplus personal property and
for the economic and efficient purchase. lease, receipts from carriers and others for loss of
s,mething is not utilized on a 24-hour- and tnaln?ensnce of automatic data proces- or damage to property: Proridcd further,
a.-day basis does not mean that there is e0ti pment hy. or at the expense of. That following the close of each fiscal year
waste. High schools and high school Feder,l:,rerctcs. any net income, after making provisions for
buses that serve them are only operated 1 1i Automati*' data processi' t equip- prior year losses, if any, shall he transferred
when there is need. So it is with corn- meat suit able for efficient and effective use to the Treasury of the United States as mis-
nuters. They are operated as needed. 1c} tY i :ct a"encics shall he provided by the cellaneotus receipts.
It is my position that the vigorous r%drnlrcIstrtor through purchase. lease. trans- ??(e) The proviso following paragraph (4)
ice eq iipment from other Federal agen- in section 201(a) of this Act and the provi-
use of the adurchasse e option tools Clauthatse lwt'it c;c, or otherwise, and the Administrator is sions of section 602(d) of this Act shall have
now have, a p purch a,tth,.rized and directed to provide by con- no application In the administration of this
leases, for example, would solve some of tract or otherwise for the maintenance and section. No other provision of this Act
the lease versus purchase problems spot- renalr of eii h equipment. In carrying out or any other Act which is into neistent with
lighted by the gentleman from Texas his rerp,,:isibi)ities under this section the the provisions of this section shall be ap-
IMr. BROOKS I. Ad1wri1 tratc r is authorized to transfer auto- piicable in the administration of this section.
In addition, I think we must recognize mane d:: :t processing equipment brtwcen ? (f) The Secretary of Commerce is au-
that it is the responsibility of those who I'cdersl ;wen cies, to require joint utilization thorized (1) to provide agencies, and the
of such eoniipment by two or more Federal Administrator of General Services in the ex-
use computers as tools to carry out their neenri"s, and to establish and operate equip- ercise of the authority delegate in this sec-
day-to-day responsibaities, to decide meat. pool, and (ir tit processing centers for Lion, with scientific and technological advi-
when 24-hours-a-day use of computers the use of two or more Fuch agencies when sory services relating to automatic data proc-
is economical. No outside agency should necessary f?r its most efficient and effective easing and related systems, and (2) to make
be given that responsibility. utllizsti, n. appropriate recommendations to the Prec1_
Mr. Chairman, my point is simply this. "121 T'te Admil lstr,tor may delegate to dent relating to the establishment of uni-
Computers are a tool of any partIcular one or I--)re Federal agencles authority to form Federal automatic data processing
,agency, just as is a typewriter. I do not operate a,;tc mail(: data processing equipment standards. The Secretary of Commerce is
pools and automatic data processing centers, authorized to undertake the necessary re-
think that the General Services Admire- and to lv,sc, purchase, or maintain indlvid- search in the sciences and technologies of
istration-and I have nothing against ual antorm,.tin data processing systems or automatic data processing computer and re-
them-I do not think there should be speeiftc units of equipment, including such lated systems, as may be required under
an agency that should control just what equipmeta used in automatic data processing provisions of this subsection.
use another agency makes of a type- pools an.i ::.itotn,tir rats processing centers. ?(gi The authority conferred upon the
writer. I do not think that the GSA when such action is determined by the Ad- Administrator and the Secretary of Com-
should make, or should be the agency to minirtrnior to he necessary for the economy merce by this section shall be exercised sub-
and efficiency of operations, or when such ject to direction by the President and to
determine how, electronic data processing "'trail is essential to national defense or na- fiscal and policy control exercised by the Bu-
equipment should be used or when it tinnal ccrurity. The Administrator may dole- re(i of the Budget. Authority so conferred
should be used. gate to c,r:e or more Federal agencies author- upon the Administrator shall not be so con-
And, so, Mr. Chairman, I think we fly to le:c'e. purchase, or maintain automatic strued as to impair or interfere with the de-
should oppose the creation of this agency. data processing equipment to the extent to termination by agencies and other users of
a new power that they would have to de- which he drtermines such action to be nec- their individual automatic data processing
tide when you would buy electronic data essnry a::d desirable to allow for the orderly equipment requirements. The Administra-
processing equipment, any more than irnpienxatr,tion of it program for the utiliza- tor shall not Interfere with, or attempt to
Lino cif siich equipment. control In any way, the use made of auto-
you would have the General Services Ad- .- There Is hereby authorized to he es- matic data processing equipment or com-
ministration decide when you would buy tahllshed on the books of the Treasury an ponents thereof by any agency or user. The
typewriters for a given agency. automatic data processing fund, which shall Administrator shall provide adequate notice
The CHAIRMAN. Are there any fur- be ;..':ail:,blc without fiscal year itmttatlon for to all agencies and other users concerned
ther requests for time? expetis":',, including personal services, other with respect to each proposed determination
Mr. BROOKS. Mr. Chairman, we costs. i rid the procurement by lease, pur- specifically affecting them or the automatic
have no further requests for t'me. chase. transfer, or otherwise of equipment, data processing equipment or components
Mr. HECHLER. Mr. Chairman, I rnainten:,ace, and repair of such equipment used by them. In the absence of mutual
by contract or otherwise, necessary for the agreement between the Administrator and
wish to extend compliments to the rRL lent coordination, operation, utilization the agency or user concerned, such proposed
t*entleman from Texas I Mr. BROOKS ] for of such equipment by and for Federal agen- determinations shall be subject to review
his leadership in bringing this bill to the talcs: Prc,ci,ied, 'Mat a report of receipts, dls- and decision by the Bureau of the Budget
floor. Last year, when a similar bill- bursernents, and transfers to miscellaneous unless the President otherwise directs."
H.R. 5171-was under consideration, receipts, tinder this authorization shall be
there was considerable difference of mode annually in connection with the budget Mr. BROOKS (interrupting reading
opinion, and I was disturbed that the estimates tan the Director of the Bureau of of the bill). Mr. Chairman, I ask unan-
National Buckret and to the Congress, and the in- imous consent that the bill be considered
National Aeronautics and Space Armin- elusion in approortation acts of provisions as read, printed in the RECORD at this
istration had issued an adverse report on regulati n t the operation of the automatic point, and open for amendment at any
the centralization and coordination of data processing fund, or limiting the ex- point.
automatic data processing equipment pei:ditt:res therefrom. is hereby authorized. The CHAIRMAN. Is there objection
throughout the Government. This year, "td) There are authorized to be appro- to the request of the gentleman from
however, I am very pleased to note, as a prlstecl to said fund such sums as may be
member of the House Committee on required which, together with the values. as Texas? objection.
Science and Astronautics, that NASA determined by the Administrator, of supplies There was no
wholeheartedly supports this bill. and equipment from time to time transferred The CHAIRMAN. The Clerk will re-
I believe that this bill is a major step to the Administrator, shall constitute the port the committee amendments.
cordial of the fund: Provided. That said
forward in achieving greater economies fund shall be credited with (1) advances The Clerk read the committee amend-
in the executive branch of the Federal and reinnhursements from available appro- meats, as follows:
Government, and I certainly hope that pr:ctio':.; and tuna= , : ant- arency (including page 2, line 1, de'.ete ", or at the expense
the bill will pass. the General Services Administration), or- of
The CHAIRMAN. There being no fur- ganizat'on, or contractor utilizing such Page 2 line 12, delete "require" and in-
ther requests for time, the Clerk will read. equipment and services rendered them, at sect in lieu thereof "provide for".
The Clerk read as follows: rates pprox:inaLe nc(t by the Administrator to Page 3, line 15, following the word "of",
and the costs thereof eof met b by y the insert "ec ui ment inventory, utilization, and
H.R. 4845 fund (including depreciation of equipment, 1 p
Re it enacted by the Senate aid House of provision for accrued leave, and for amorti- acquisitions, together with an account of".
Representatives of the United States of zction of Installation costs, but excluding, In Page 5, line 22, delete the following: "and
America in Congress assembled, That title I the deternsinaLion of rates prior to the fiscal other users",
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Page 5, line 23, delete "requirements." and
insert in lieu thereof "requirements, in-
cluding the development of specifications for
and the selection of the types and configura-
tions of equipment needed.".
Page 6, line 1, delete the following: "or
user".
The committee amendments were
agreed to.
The CHAIRMAN. Are there any fur-
ther amendments?
AMENDMENT OFFERED BY MR. OLSEN OF
MONTANA
Mr. OLSEN of Montana. Mr. Chair-
man, I offer an amendment.
The Clerk read as follows:
Amendment offered by Mr. OLSEN of Mon-
tana: On page 3, strike out the comma at
the end of line 8 and insert in lieu thereof
"to be used in connection with equipment
pools and data processing centers.". And on
page 3, line 9, strike out the word "which"
and insert in lieu thereof "The automatic
data processing fund".
(Mr. OLSEN of Montana asked and
was given permission to revise and ex-
tend his remarks.)
Mr. OLSEN of Montana. Mr. Chair-
man, in order for each of us here today
to study H.R. 4845 in depth, all of us
should have the opportunity of personal
contact with these automatic data proc-
essing systems we are talking about.
But, obviously, time is not available to
consider this bill to the exclusion of the
many other important matters before
us. Therefore, I should like to cut
through the volumes of information on
the subject and explain my amendment
which goes directly to the heart of the
problem.
You will notice that my amendment
pertains to the automatic data processing
fund, which, in the words of House Re-
port No. 802 accompanying the bill,
would provide that, and I quote:
GSA would have all of the Government's
general purpose automatic data processing
acquisition money in its pocket.
Now, do not take me wrong, I do not
have anything against GSA, but I doubt
that many of my colleagues here in the
House approve of GSA having all of this
money in its pocket, primed-again as
the report says-with capital appropri-
ated directly by the Congress and by
agencies who already have bought and
paid for their equipment. I firmly be-
lieve that the Appropriations Committee
does a good job of controlling the funds
of the Government, and I believe also
that the function should be left with the
Congress in the future.
Revolving funds, Mr. Chairman, ordi-
narily are used for stockpiling purposes
and for manufacturing or operating
processes in which one organization can
save funds by servicing several organiza-
tions. Certainly, we do not want to
stockpile computers. We do, however,
want to provide for the sha+?ing of auto-
matic data processing equipment, and I
think a revolving fund is in order for this
purpose. My amendment, therefore,
provides for use of the automatic data
processing fund for purposes of estab-
lishing and operating equipment pools
and data processing centers.
This fund is not necessary for accumu-
lating reports. It is not necessary to
achieve the advantages of other provis-
ions of H.R. 4845. In fact, the revolving
fund for purposes other than equipment
pools and data processing centers would
encourage expenditures of funds in ex-
cess of what is being spent for computers
at this time. If the Appropriations Com-
mittee were to limit the funds of an
agency and therefore funds were not
available for purchase of a machine,
GSA would be authorized to go ahead
and buy it anyhow. I think that this is
not the way we want the system to oper-
ate, and I submit, Mr. Chairman, that
the Congress should not defer to the
judgment of GSA.
Moreover, GSA will charge for its serv-
ices in connection with a general-purpose
automatic data processing fund and here
is another increase in net funds ex-
pended. This also is not a way to save
money. Believe me, when I tell you, that
Congress will never see 1 penny of saving.
Mr. Chairman, I should like to point
out also, as the report points out, that the
Comptroller General ordinarily frowns
on revolving funds, but is making an ex-
ception in this case. I believe that the
exception should have been made only to
the extent that the revolving fund is re-
quired and this is covered by my amend-
ment. I should like to point out also,
Mr. Chairman, that the administration
is reported in favor of this bill. But, Mr.
Chairman, I think my colleagues should
be fully aware that the President, in
March, issued a report which conflicts
with this bill, but which concurs in my
amendment. I should like to point out
also that the testimony of the Bureau
of the Budget stating the position of the
administration is not compatible with the
bill as written but is entirely compatible
with my amendment.
Therefore, Mr. Chairman, the proposi-
tion is for our colleagues to decide. If
the Congress wishes to relinquish con-
trol of automatic data processing, and
wishes to enact legislation which con-
flicts with the President's report on the
subject, the vote should be in favor of
H.R. 4845 as is. If the Congress wishes
to retain its rightful control, and at the
same time gain the advantages of the bill,
I urge each and every one to vote for my
amendment.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Mr. BROOKS. Mr. Chairman, I rise
in opposition to the pending amend-
ment.
Mr. Chairman, the adoption of the
amendment offered by the gentleman
from Montana [Mr. OLSEN] would fatal-
ly compromise this legislation. Under
his approach there would be no direct,
continuous flow of fiscal information on
the Government's investment, disburse-
ments, and cost of automatic data proc-
essing. And, without this information,
there can be not effective management
program.
Billions in tax funds are involved. We
can no longer afford to sit idly by de-
pending upon the mere possibility that
some tenuous and awkward solution to
automatic data processing management
can be worked out on a makeshift basis
within the present framework of our
Government. We must act to provide
the most efficient approach to effective
management, and that is what the Gov-
ernment Operations Committee has done
in this instance.
The revolving fund is essential to this
legislation, and to providing the most
efficient and effective management of
Government automatic data processing.
To limit use of the fund in any way as
suggested by the gentleman from Mon-
tana [Mr. OLSEN], will inevitably result
in the loss of hundreds of millions of dol-
lars in tax funds which otherwise can be
saved without any compromising and
utilization of this equipment.
I strongly recommend that this amend-
ment be rejected.
The CHAIRMAN. The question is on
the amendment offered by the gentle-
man from Montana [Mr. OLSEN].
The amendment was rejected.
Accordingly, the Committee rose; and
the Speaker having resumed the chair,
Mr. MONAGAN, Chairman of the Commit-
tee of the Whole House on the State of
the Union, reported that that Committee
having had under consideration the bill
(H.R. 4845) to provide for the economic
and efficient purchase, lease, mainte-
nance, operation, and utilization of
automatic data processing equipment by
Federal departments and agencies, pur-
suant to House Resolution 550, he re-
ported the bill back to the House with
sundry amendments adopted by the
Committee of the Whole.
The SPEAKER. Under the rule, the
previous question is ordered.
Is a separate vote demanded on any
amendment? If not, the Chair will put
them en gros.
The question is on the amendments.
The amendments were agreed to.
The SPEAKER. The question is on the
engrossment and third reading of the bill.
The bill was ordered to be engrossed
and read a third time, and was read the
third time.
The SPEAKER. The question is on
the passage of the bill.
The bill was passed.
A motion to reconsider was laid on the
table.
GENERAL LEAVE TO EXTEND
REMARKS
Mr. BROOKS. Mr. Speaker, I ask
unanimous consent that all Members
may have 5 legislative days in which to
extend their remarks on the bill, H.R
4845.
The SPEAKER. Without objection, it
is so ordered.
There was no objection.
(Mr. HORTON (at the request of Mr.
MORTON) was granted permission to ex-
tend his remarks at this point in the
RECORD and to include extraneous mat-
ter.)
[Mr. HORTON'S remarks will appear
hereafter in the Appendix.]
PROTECT THE WISCONSIN UNEM-
PLOYMENT COMPENSATION SYS-
TEM
(Mr. LAIRD (at the request of Mr.
MORTON) was granted permission to ex-
tend his remarks at this point in the
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ter. )
Mr. LAIRD. Mr. Speaker, under
leave to extend my remarks, I include
an editorial from the Appleton, Wis.,
Post-Crescent reprinted on August 28,
1965, in the Marshfield, Wis., News-
Herald.
The editorial follows:
[From the Marshfield (Wis.) News-Herald,
AuR. 28, 19651
PROTECT THE WISCONSIN UNEMPL;:.YMENT
COMPENSATION SYSTEM
Thirty years ago a foresighted Wisconsin
State administration and legislature, led by
Philip F. LaFollette who passed away last
week, enacted the first unemployment com-
pensation law in this country. Since that
time so-called unemployment Insurance pay-
ments have been made available In every
State, largely because the Federal Govern-
ment at a later time enacted a national
system modeled upon the Wisconsin example.
During most of that time Paul Raushen-
bush. a professional civil servant, has been
the chief administrative officer of the pio-
neering and successful Wisconsin unemploy-
ment program and fund. During most of
that time Mr. Raushenbush has had to
worry, however, about the Federal power
preempting Wisconsin Initiative and man-
agement in this field, and superimposing
a Federal law less desirable, less workable,
and less fair to Wisconsin employes and
their employers than that which is already
operating here.
We suppose that if Mr. Raushenbush
added the travel costs of his innumerable
trips to Washington to lobby and testify
against the expropriation of the Wisconsin
fund and the Wisconsin program by the
Federal power grabbers. they would make
a tidy stun. Mr. Raushenbush recently made
yet another trip, to testify before yet an-
other congressional committee, and to repeat
what he has said so often and so truthfully
before.
The Wisconsin l..w was conceived as a
buffer against the shock of layoffs to the
workingman, and to the property tax budg-
ets of localities which support the local
public assistance programs, on the one hand,
and to encourage employers to do their ut-
most to avoid layoffs, on the other, by
providing a tangible Incentive to stable em-
ployment practices.
The incentive 1s a device known as ex-
perience rating. The employer with a stable
employment record quickly reduces his pay-
roll tax liability to a virtual zero. The em-
ployer with an unsatisfactory layoff record
must pay more.
For several decades the States with less
effective and prudent systems, and the plan-
ners of the all-powerful national state, have
attempted to pool the Wisconsin system. In
effect, with the national program so that
the Incentive feature of the wise Wisconsin
law would be lost. The current effort In
the Congress is not as direct as some In the
past. Enemies of the Wisconsin plan have
e,'idently learned something from their re-
buffs. But the plan offered by President
Johnson attacks the experience rating con-
cept by indirection, and It proposes Infinitely
more Federal control over the entire pro-
gran Inevitably It would be the forerun-
ner of a federalized ssytem. If adopted. As
Mr. Rausenbush aptly warned 7
"Make no mistake about it. This Is the
Plato where the road really forks."
Every Wisconsin employee aware of the
value of the State-devised program of 1935,
every thoughtful employer, should make
known Ills desire to the Congress for the
elimination of this threat to the Integrity
and solvency of a proud Wisconsin social
welfare achievement.
MINE INSPECTION AND SAFETY
Mr. BURTON of Utah (at the request
of Mr. MOR'roN) was granted permission
to extend his remarks at this point in the
RECORD and to include extraneous
matter.
Mr. BURTON of Utah. Mr. Speaker,
while sitting in Committee of the Whole
House today on the subject of mine in-
spection and safety bill, it was against
the rule:- to insert with my own remarks
in that debate the full text of a letter
addressed to me from Mr. Miles P. Rom-
ney, manager of the Utah Mining As-
sociation. The letter corrects certain
inaccuracies in the report on H.R. 6961,
just passed.
I therefore, place Mr. Romney's letter
to me dated August 27, 1965, in full at
this point in the RECORD. It is germane
to our debate today.
UTAH MINING AssocIATION,
Salt Lake City, Utah, August 27, 1965.
Hon. LA['RENCE J. BURTON,
House of Representatives,
Washington, D.C.
DI AR i AVRENCE. Recently. data have been
obtained from the Utah State Industrial
Commission on the number of active mining
operations in Utah in the years of 1962 and
1965. These figures show a wide variance
with the He published In the report, titled
"Health and Safety Study of Metal and Non-
metal Mines," submitted to the Congress in
response to Public Law 87 -300, Stat. 649.
That report states Utah had 544 mineral
producing operations In 1962 employing 6.961
men. t epraaentstire O'HARA. during the
May 1`+G,-, hr, rings on H.R. 6361 (the Federal
\1et.;l o: id Nonnictalic Mine Safety Act),
quoted the 544 figure in questioning me on
the adequacy of Utah mine safety inspec-
tions (1). 293).
The Utah State Industrial Commission re-
ports that as of June 30, 19G2, there were 188
active i.oncoal mine operators, and 33 coal
mine operators. The Utah Department of
Employment Security reports that for the
year of 1962, 250 noncoal mining units In
Utah had an average of 9,287 employees per
month. The department of employment se-
curity reports included some inactive mines
where "covered employees" Included only of-
lice workers. Beth the Industrial commis-
sion and the department of employment
security include mills with mines in their
rcporth.'; of mining data. The study does
also.
The report of the health and safety study
lists numbers of Utah mining units 1* vol-
tune II. They are as follows:
`fable 1 34. Metal mines --------------- 179
Table 1 3:5. Nonmetal mines----------- 36
Table 1 36. Stone quarries------------- 22
Table 1 37. Sand and gravel pits------- 72
------------------------- 309
35 nu ?:J, nonmetal, and stone mills
were included In table 1-38. which
would briny, the total Utah mining
units to ------____ --.--------------- 344
This total of 344 strongly indicates that
the r;umniarv total of 544 Utah mine operat-
inv, units retxsrted in table 6-2. volume 11 of
the report, is an error and tine of serious
magnit.ult. The error is in the same mag-
nitude as the study's report of the number
of employees.
It occurred to me that the scope of the
study may have been different than the basis
of reports by the Utah Industrial Commis-
sion and department of employment secu-
rity. However, the study defines its scope on
page 2. volume 1. as follows:
"Underground and open-cut metal and
nonmetallic mines, placer mines, open quar-
rtes, and sand and gravel pits comprise the
portions of the mining industry in which
minerals are extracted from the earth by rec-
ognized mining methods. All these portions
along with related mills were included in
some part of the study."
With reference to the use of the above sta-
tistics by the committee at the May 1965
hearings on H.R. 6961, I would like to refer
you to pages 292-294 of that report. The
pertinent excerpt is attached.
The error in the statistics referred to, and
the use made of them at the hearings, as
Illustrated by the excerpt, raises serious
questions as to the accuracy of the data in
the full report as well as the purposes be-
hind its analysis and recommendations.
As recorded in the attached excerpt, sev-
eral Utah operators tried to get specific
information as to the violations charged to
their properties, but they were not accorded
even the courtesy of a reply.
Very truly yours.
MILES P. ROMNEY,
Manager.
THE DISCHARGE PETITION AND
HOME RULE
(Mr. PELLY (at the request of Mr.
MORTON) was granted permission to ex-
tend his remarks at this point in the
RECORD and to include extraneous
matter.)
Mr. PELLY. Mr. Speaker, I have re-
quested time today in order to say a few
words with regard to the current pro-
posal to grant home rule to the citizens
of the District of Columbia. In general,
I have favored the idea of home rule, but
there have been many different sug-
gested plans and not being a member of
the House Committee on the District of
Columbia, I have never had occasion to
inform myself specifically and in detail
on various suggestions. I know, of
course, that those Members who have
studied these plans from both constitu-
tional as well as practical points of view
have differing views. Meanwhile, I
have felt that the time has come when
all Members should carefully consider
the matter, and certainly the House
should not be prevented by dilatory
tactics from considering some sort of
plan. As the saying goes, justice de-
layed is justice denied, and I, for one,
continue to favor some action in accord-
ance with the legislative procedures of
the House, looking toward proper con-
sideration of home rule legislation and
allowing the House to work its will.
Mr. Speaker, there is obviously some
confusion as to the nature of a discharge
petition. For the sake of the record, I
might say that rule XXVII (4) of the
House rules provides that a Member may
present to the Clerk a motion in writing
to discharge a committee from the con-
sideration of a public bill or resolution
which has been referred to it 30 days
prior thereto. The Clerk must arrange
some convenient place for signatures of
Members. Then, if and when a major-
ity of the total membership of the House
shall have signed, it is entered in the
Journal, printed with the signatures in
the CONGRESSIONAL RECORD.
Under this House rule, on the second
and fourth Mondays of each month, ex-
cept during the last 6 days of any session
of Congress, any Member who signed the
motion to discharge can be recognized
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surrounding such properties could be kept In The purpose of this legislation is to Mr. MUNDT. If it would save any
good repair. bring about more efficient use of the data money at all, it would be a shocking ex-
"It is estimated, as far as buildings under
the processing equipment that is now avail- ception to the rule, so far as Congress
custody and control of GSA are con-
cerned, that the additional expenditures ne- able in the various agencies of the Gov- is concerned, and I certainly would ap-
cessitated by enactment of this legislation ernment. It is said that this legislation plaud such economy.
would average approximately $50,000 an. should save millions of dollars in costs Mr. JACKSON. We are not author-
nually. According to the Administrator of to the Government by maximizing in a izing any additional expenditures here.
GSA, the additional expenditures should be more efficient manner the use of the Mr. MUNDT. Mr. President, I sat at
offset to some extent by reduction of Gov- existing data processing equipment which the conference in the Appropriations
ernment tort liability resulting from elimina-
tion has now proliferated through many if Committee where we had a rather siza-
of hazardous sidewalk conditions. not all the executive agencies. Special ble appropriation dealing with this
"HOUSE AMENDMENT provisi n. however is made totaTke care whole area, and we substantially reduced
"The bill, as introduced, would cover only of _te situation in agencies that deal it primarily because the so-called Brooks
those buildings for which GSA is responsible.
This would include an estimated 1,700 of the wlt}Lj;Jlenati pal security, Such as the bill had not been acted upon. It was
approximately 4,900 federally owned build- Dgpaa tment -Defense, NASA,and other felt by many of the conferees that it
ings. The Bureau of the Budget recom- necessary exceptions. should be acted upon and that we should
mended that the bill be amended to author- Mr. President, the bill passed the have the information available. The
ize the heads of all Government agencies to House on September 2, 1965. It has the studies which will ensue therefrom will
repair and replace sidewalks around federally support of the Government operations guide us in knowing whether appropria-
owned building sites and installations. GSA Committee, and r-aZk for tspassagc, tions should be made for new equipment.
concurred in the amendment. -Mr. MUNDT. May I say to my dis- I would hope, Mr. President, and I
"The bill as reported to the Senate contains
the amendment as recommended by the ad- tinguished friend, the Senator from should like the legislative history to so
ministration and approved by the House of Washington, who is the acting chairman record, that out of this action would
Representatives." of the Committee on Government Oper- come a report to Congress, to the Appro-
ations BYRD of West Virginia subse- ations this evening, that before his de- priations Committee, and to Members
quently said: Mr. President, I move to parture for home, Senator Lvio> ELLnN generally, as to whether it is in the Gov-
reconsider the vote by which the bill- called me and_asked- me- to try to round ernment's interest primarily to purchase
H.R. 9830 was passed. u p Ibk- Re 'can Members to sign a the equipment outright and then to hire
.be
Mr. MUNDT. Mr. President, I move poil in order to le o -bring-Eh--Fill the maintenance crews who would repair
to lay Mat motion T. on the den out and report i, on e is dam par- and maintain the equipment, or whether
The motion to ion h the table was titularly allergic to the polling procedure there would be more economy in leasing
for passing legislation. I had some re- it from the companies which manufac-
agreed to. luctance in doing that, but was persuaded ture it and who in turn would provide
Mr. BYRD of West Virginia,. Mr. because it seems to me we should have for it maintenance.
President, I suggest the absence of a a little better policy for dealing with new Certainly, I do not know the answer.
quorum. electronic and computing devices. I The committee does not know the an-
The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. MON- I should therefore like to have reassur- swer. We are not going to find the an-
TOYA in the chair). The clerk will call ance from the acting chairman that I swer merely by sitting here and waiting.
the roll. have a correct understanding of the bill. The proposed legislation, I believe, will
The legislative clerk proceeded to call -First. does-this-proposal -proposalap- move in the direction of
the roll. providing us
Mr. BYRD of West Virginia. Mr. provalofthe Bur-a.-o?-the-R? . with answers of that kind. This is a fast
ask unanimous consent that Mr. JACKSON. The Senator is cor- developing field. Senators know that
President, Mr. BYRD
the order for the rect. they have placed automatic equipment of
quorum call be re- Mr. MUNDT. Second, it does not one kind or another in their offices, and
scinded. mean that we are going automatically the next year someone invents something
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without into the purchasing of a great many au- very much better, and they are stuck
objection, it is so ordered. tomatic computing machines, but will with the old equipment. That is another
result in a careful study and survey factor to be considered in deciding
USE OF AUTOMATIC DATA PROC- which, at the end of the road, should en- whether to purchase the equipment or
ESSING EQUIPMENT BY FEDERAL able us more intelligently to decide lease it; but I believe I am correct in my
DEPARTMENT AND AGENCIES whether outright purchase or leasing is assumption that out of the action we
the best situation so far as the Govern- take in the Senate tonight, if we approve
Mr. JACKSON. Mr. President, I send ment is concerned; is that not correct? the legislation-and I have a feeling that
to the desk the report of the Committee Mr. JACKSON. The Senator is cor- we shall-we will get a report which can
on Government Operations on H.R. 4845, rect. As I understand the situation, the guide our actions in the future.
and ask unanimous consent that it be Federal agencies have been managing, Mr. JACKSON. I should also like to
laid before the Senate and made the operating and handling their own data suggest, and I know the distinguished
pending business. Processing equipment. The result has Senator from South Dakota would agree,
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The been, in many instances, that Agency A that we should be advised as to whether
bill will be stated by title for the infor- will not make full use of its data process- the proposed legislation-which central-
mation of the Senate. ing equipment, whereas another agency izes the management and direction of
The LEGISLATIVE CLERK. A bill (H.R. may be overusing or taxing its available the equipment in the hands of the Gen-
4845) to provide for the economic and data process equipment, and then would eral Services Administration-will result
efficient purchase, lease, maintenance, have to obtain new equipment when there in full and better utilization of the ma-
operation, and utilization of automatic is already equipment within the execu- chines, whether they are leased or pur-
data processing equipment by Federal tive agencies of the Government which chased.
departments and agencies. could be utilized by that agency. Mr. MUNDT. That is very good.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is there Therefore, the burden of the effort, Mr. JACKSON. Therefore, it is not
objection to the present consideration of as I understand, is that there is plenty merely the leasing and selling alone, but
the bill? of data processing equipment, but it I am sure the Senator would agree that
There being no objection, the Senate seems to me that a great deal of the we also wish to make sure there is no
proceeded to consider the bill, equipment is not being fully and effi- duplication involved, that full utiliza-
Mr. JACKSON. Mr. President, the ciently utilized. Therefore, as it has tion is made within all the agencies
pending bill (H.R. 4845) would central- been presented to us, it is estimated of the Government before they go out
ize the purchasing, leasing, maintenance, that this measure will save us approxi- and lease or purchase new quipment.
operation, and utilization of automatic mately $60 to $100 million. Even if we Mr. MUNDT. The Senator is correct.
data processing equipment, used by the saved only $5 million, it would be a It should be used. It is expensive equip-
Federal agencies, in the General Services worthwhile effort and one which we ment. It costs too much to have it sit-
Administration. ch,v,1A -+n4_1- +....- i.. .. - . _ -
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Mt . President, in that connection I electronic devices, computers, and so fined, restricted, and confined to meet-
have some happy news for members of on. for the use of the Appropriations Ing the problems we have discussed on
the Senate, in that when we were discus- Committee, in order to have greater and the floor this evening.
sing this matter in the supplemental ap- additional information for the Senate I can assure the Senator it is my under-
propriation, I inquired of representatives and House of Representatives. standing this is simply an eff ort to try
of the GSA, who have custody of much So I agree with the Senator from South to give centralized control to prevent
of the equipment, whether this was Dakotas that this matter should be taken duplication, waste, and inefficiency that
something which was merely being pro care of at this time, and later we shall has occurred in the use of data proces-
vided for the executive agencies of the have further information about the use sing equipment of which there has been
Government alone or whether, perhaps. of these and other devices. a proliferation throughout the govern-
coneressional committees and even Sen- Mr. MUNDT. The Senator from ment.
ators and Representatives could also South Dakota happily sits with the dis- Mr. DIRKSEN. With that statement
have access to all this "hifalutin' " ma- tiitgui~hed Senator from Montana on this I am sure I am in agreement.
chinery. Reorganization Committee and it was Mr. YARBOROUGH. Mr. President,
I did not know whether it would because of the testimony that we heard will the Senator yield?
create a situation where we would have there that I was inspired to ask GSA Mr. MUNDT. I yield.
jet age electronic machines for calcula- about thc? use and availability of com- Mr. YARBOROUGH. While this sub-
tion purposes in the executive branch puter machines for people working in ject is being discussed, I would like to
and Congress would still have its horse the Government, whether the legislative refer to a related subject, that of com-
and buggy, pencil-eraser kind of proce- or executive branch, because I was sur- munications within the Senate itself. I
dure in House and Senate. I was given prised. as I am sure the Senator from made the suggestion yesterday that we
encouragement to believe that reserve Montana was surprised, to hear some of install in the office of the chief of pages a
equipment was available in order to keep our colleagues in the House talk as if they closed-circuit television system con-
it busily in use. had some of these computer machines netted to our offices so when the bells
As the Senator from Washington has in their own offices. This was a sur- ring we can see what it is for.
pointed out, certainty this Government prise to me. 1 have never seen them. I I have come to the conclusion that
property should be open and available to do not know how big or complicated they we do not need to have the vision part,
committees of the Senate and to individ- may be, or whether they have whirling but that if we just had what is commonly
ual members who might have reason to wheels or flashing lights such as they called "squawk boxes," when the bells
use it. Therefore, I would hope that we have at Las Vegas, but apparently they ring we would be able to get in touch
keep the wheels turning busily, if we have some that they are using, and I with the cloakroom and find out what
adopt the proposed legislation. thou.r;ht. perhaps we could gain some in- the bells were for, rather than have Sen-
I am going to interpose no objection formation. ators' offices tied up waiting to get in
to the adoption of the proposed legisla- Mr. ?IETCALF. With reference to the touch with the cloakroom.
tion, but merely wish to register this testimony about computers and the need This kind of system is used in the
little "forensic pulp" as to the kind of for electronic computers, not only is executive branch. There is no reason
procedure we have to follow in polling a there a need for this legislation before why we cannot put this kind of electronic
committee. The Senate wishes to ad- us now, but there is a need for other communications system in the cloak
journ. The hour is late. The issue is legislation so we can have computers and room and have it connected with an
important. I am not going to make any other machines in our committees to give audio system so it will expedite matters.
is mon? information about appropria- Mr. MUNDT. Is the Senator proposing
obMr. "squawk boxes" to be hooked up with the
Mr. METCALF. Mr. President. , will tons White House so those in the White House
the Senator from South Dakota yield'? Mr. 1tUND'I I am sure by the time can communicate with the Senate or
The PRESIDING OFFICER Mr. we conclude our hearings and make our ca ngo?
BYRD of West Virginia in the chair, . report we shall have information there My reference
Does the Senator from South Dakota upon which to make recommendations. Mwasr r. . an YARBOROUGH. intercommunication syfere ce
yield to the Senator from Montana? To sum up, I am happy to report that this bto ill
ody.
Mr. MUNDT. I yield. all the Republican Members have affixed this body.
I am glad it was con-
Mr. METCALF. As a member of the their names to this procedure, proving fined Mr. to that. To the best of the knowl-
committee, I share the ideas of the Sen- that it is widely recognized that it is of edge of the Senator from South Dakota,
ator from South Dakota. As to oiling mportance. The White House is in- communications between the White
the committees, I feel the s is a erested in it. I believe on the last day c House and the Senate and Congress are
procedure which should be resorted to )f Congress it cannot be said that by House good-they are one way, but they
l only in extreme emergency situations. 'ubherstampint; this legislation we will pretty good.
-however, along with the Senator from be establishing a dangerous precedent are e p p. YARBOROUGH. I am interested
South Dakota, I acquiesce in adoption of which will plague us in 1966. only in getting a better communications
the bill. Mr. JACKSON. Mr. President, will system in this branch. I think it would
expedite our business and prevent all
I should like to inform the Senator the Senator yield?
from South Dakota, and the Senate, that Mr. vIUNDT. I yield. the delays that are caused when we try
to find out what the bells are all about.
as a member of the Joint Committee for Mr. JACKSON. Will the Senator say
this was a bipartisan consensus? Mr. TOWER. Mr. President, it is my
Legislative
nship o of the Reorganization,
Senator under from the Mr. MUNDT. Yes.
joint lct chhai understanding that H.R. 4845 will in ef-
Oklahoma [Mr. MONRONEY], and Repre- Mr. DIRKSEN. Mr. President, if the feet provide for efficient, businesslike,
sentative Madden, we are going into this Senatr~r will yield, I understood there governmentw?ide, coordinated manage-
questioe of the use of electronic devices. Were two bills before the committee, one ment of Federal automatic data proc-
I hope that early next year we will have khat delegated almost unlimited power essing equipment. I certainly support
an extensive report on the use of these to GSA that virtually could not be con- the move here tonight so that this meas-
devices which will save a good deal of rolled by the Congress, and that the are may be enacted into law.
ninety for the Senate and the House of ommit tee did refine this bill so as to When similar legislation was passed
Representatives, and at the same time lave a measure of control here. I trust y the House in 1963, there was some
will give us more information as to all alt is correct. pposition to it. However, since that
oroblems with which Congress is con- Mr. JACKSON. Mr. President, will the .i.me, with the cooperation and assist-
cerned. Senator yield? nee of the Bureau of the Budget I un-
I sigilo the poll today, as did the Sell- Mr. DIRKSEN. I yield, derstand that H.R. 4845 has now been
atoi' from $`oUth Dakota, because this Is Mr. JACKSON. The Senator is cor- modified to meet the earlier objections.
only the first step. Surely, next year, rect. The bill the distinguished minority This is a measure which the admin-
when the committee of the Senator from \leader referred to is the bill that was istration and the Bureau of the Budget
Oklahoma [Mr. MoNRO? EY] makes its in the Congress at the last session. The strongly support. The Bureau is con-
ieport. we will need to have many more bill we now have before us has been re- vinced that with the adoption of this
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measure, they will be able to do a much
better job in the management of this
costly equipment. GAO, as I understand,
has recommended replacement of pres-
ent automatic data processing manage-
ment procedures for some 7 years.
I am advised that cost of the present
management procedures now stands at
some $3 billion annually. I am further
advised that the Comptroller General has
estimated that through the coordinated
management program called for in H.R.
4845, possibly as much as $200 million
annually can be saved.
I do indeed believe, Mr. President, that
this legislation will prove most worth-
while, and I certainly support it. I am
happy to note that this measure's pas-
sage is largely the result of much effort
and hard work by the distinguished Con-
gressman, JACK BROOKS, of Texas, chair-
man of the Government Activities Sub-
committee of the Government Opera-
tions Committee of the House.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The
bill is open to amendment.
If there be no amendment to be pro-
posed, the question is on the third read-
ing and passage of the bill.
The bill (H.R. 4845) was ordered to a
third reading, was read the third time,
and passed.
Mr. JACKSON. Mr. President, I move
that the vote by which the bill was passed
be reconsidered.
Mr. MUNDT. Mr. President, I move
to lay that motion on the table.
The motion to lay on the table was
agreed to.
Mr. DOUGLAS. Mr. President, I sug-
gest the absence of a quorum.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The
clerk will call the roll.
The legislative clerk proceeded to call
the roll.
Mr. MANSFIELD. Mr. President, I
ask unanimous consent that the order
for the quorum call be rescinded.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. With-
out objection, it is so ordered.
ORGANIZATION FOR ECONOMIC
COOPERATION
As in executive session,
Mr. MANSFIELD. Mr. President, I
ask unanimous consent that the Senate,
as in executive session, proceed to the
consideration of the nomination of
Philip H. Trezise, of Michigan, to be the
respresentative of the United States of
America to the Organization for Eco-
nomic Cooperation and Development.
The ACTING PRESIDENT pro tem-
pore. Without objection, it is so ordered.
The nomination will be stated.
The legislative clerk read the nomina-
tion of Philip A. Trezise to be the repre-
sentative of the United States of Amer-
ica to the Organization for Economic
Cooperation.
The ACTING PRESIDENT pro tem-
pore. Without objection, the nomination
is confirmed; and the President will be
notified forthwith.
TO PRINT AS A SENATE DOCUMENT
A STUDY ENTITLED "THE ANTI-
VIETNAM AGITATION AND THE
TEACH-IN MOVEMENT"
Mr. MANSFIELD. Mr. President, I
ask that the Chair lay before the Senate
a message from the House on Senate
Concurrent Resolution 65.
The ACTING PRESIDENT pro tem-
pore laid before the Senate the amend-
ment of the House of Representatives to
the concurrent resolution (S. Con. Res.
65) to authorize the printing as a Senate
document of 10,000 copies of a study en-
titled "The Anti-Vietnam Agitation and
the Teach-in Movement," prepared for
the use of the Subcommittee on Internal
Security of the Senate Committee on the
Judiciary, which was, in line 7, strike out
all after "printed" down through and
including "Judiciary." in line 9, and in-
sert "22,975 additional copies, of which
10,000 copies shall be for the use of the
Senate Committee on the Judiciary, 10,-
975 copies shall be for the use of the
House of Representatives, and 2,000
copies shall be for the House Document
Room."
Mr. MANSFIELD. Mr. President, I
move that the Senate concur in the
amendment of the House.
The motion was agreed to.
BENJAMIN A. RAMELB
Mr. MANSFIELD. Mr. President, I
ask that the Chair lay before the Senate
a message from the House of Repre-
sentatives on S. 149.
The ACTING PRESIDENT pro tem-
pore laid before the Senate the amend-
ments of the House of Representatives
o the bill (S. 149) for the relief of Ben-
amin A. Ramelb, which were, on page
line 5, strike out "legal" and insert
"court-appointed"; on page 1, line 6,
strike out "$68,240" and insert "$50,000";
on page 2, line 1, strike out "Act" and
insert "section", and on page 2, after
line 8, insert:
SEC. 2. That, additionally, the Secretary
of the Treasury is authorized and directed
to pay, out of any money in the Treasury
not otherwise appropriated, to Nicholas
Ramelb, father of Benjamin A. Ramelb, the
sum of $5,000 in full settlement of all his
claims against the United States for ex-
penses incurred in providing necessities for
his son, Benjamin A. Ramelb, since the said
Benjamin A. Ramelb attained his majority.
No part of the amount appropriated in this
section shall be paid or delivered to or re-
ceived by any agent or attorney on account
of services rendered in connection with this
claim, and the same shall be unlawful, any
contract to the contrary notwithstanding.
Any person violating the provisions of this
Act shall be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor
and upon conviction thereof shall be fined in
any sum not exceeding $1,000.
Mr. MANSFIELD. Mr. President, I
move that the Senate concur in the
amendments of the House.
The motion was agreed to.
KIM SUNG JIN
Mr. MANSFIELD. Mr. President, I
ask that the Chair lay before the Senate
a message from the House on S. 1647.
The ACTING PRESIDENT pro tem-
pore laid before the Senate the amend-
ment of the House of Representatives to
the bill (S. 1647) for the relief of Kim
Sung Jin, which was, to strike out all
after the enacting clause and insert:
That, for the purposes of sections 203(a)
(2) and 205 of the Immigration and Na-
tionality Act, Kim Sung Tin shall be held and
considered to be the natural-born alien son
of Mr. and Mrs. Joe Sims, Junior, citizens of
the United States: Provided, That the nat-
ural parents of the beneficiary shall not, by
virtue of such parentage, be accorded any
right, privilege, or status under the Immi-
gration and Nationality Act.
Mr. MANSFIELD. Mr. President, on
August 12, 1965, the Senate passed S.
1647, to deem the beneficiary to be an
eligible orphan. On August 19, 1965, the
House of Representatives passed S. 1647,
with an amendment to grant the bene-
ficiary second preference status as the
natural-born alien son of U.S. citizens.
Mr. President, I move that the Senate
concur in the amendment of the House.
The motion was agreed to.
REPORT OF ACCOMPLISHMENTS
AND STATISTICS FOR 89TH CON-
GRESS, 1ST SESSION
Mr. MANSFIELD. Mr. President, I
ask unanimous consent that the Senate
Democratic policy committee be per-
mitted to print as a Senate document the
yearend report of accomplishments and
statistics for the 89th Congress, 1st ses-
sion, together with a statement by me.
The ACTING PRESIDENT pro tem-
pore. Without objection, it is so ordered.
AUTHORIZATION FOR COMMITTEE
ON GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS
TO FILE REPORTS FOLLOWING
THE ADJOURNMENT OF CON-
GRESS
Mr. MANSFIELD. Mr. President, I
ask unanimous consent that the Com-
mittee on Government Operations be au-
thorized to file reports with the Secre-
tary of the Senate during the adjourn-
ment sine die of the 89th Congress, 1st
session, and that they be printed.
The ACTING PRESIDENT pro tem-
pore. Without objection, it is so ordered.
STATEMENT OF THE LEGISLATIVE
RECORD OF THE 89TH CONGRESS,
1ST SESSION
Mr. MANSFIELD. Mr. President,
Congress is about to conclude one of the
most productive sessions in the history of
this Republic. Historians may find it
difficult to apply a one-word label to
identify the Congress. It could be
labeled the education Congress, because
for the first time in history it was able
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to pass substantial Federal aid to cope
with the grave educational situation
which has become increasingly critical
each year.
Or they may call it the civil rights
Congress for its enactment of the Voting
Rights Act of 1965, which at long last
removed the century-old obstacles to the
franchise promised to the Negroes in the
15th amendment to the Constitution.
Or the historians may consider it the
medicare and health Congress for in this
session action has been substituted for
two decades of public debate and dialog
on the way to solve the hospital and
medical needs of our 19 million elderly
citizens. That is not all that has been
accomplished in the health field. This
Congress has:
Enacted the Drug Abuse Control Act
of 1965 designed to prevent both the mis-
use and the illicit traffic of potentially
dangerous drugs, especially the sedatives
and the stimulants, which are so im-
portant in themedicines used today;
Extended for 3 years the program of
annual grants of $11 million for immuni-
zation against polio, diphtheria, whoop-
ing cough, tetanus, and measles:
Extended the program of matching
grants for health research facilities for
3 additional years and authorized $280
million for this period;
Authorized a total of $224.1 million
through 1972 in staffing grants to com-
munity mental health centers:
Authorized a 3-year, $340-million
program of grants to public and other
nonprofit institutions and associations
to assist them in planning, establishing,
and operating regional medial com-
plexes to combat heart disease, cancer.
stroke. and other major diseases;
Established purity standards for in-
terstate waters and authorized $150 mil-
lion in new grants for each of the next
2 fiscal years to help States and localities
control water pollution;
Established Federal regulation ciga-
rette labeling and advertising; and
Authorized 5404 million additional for
fiscal years 1966-68 for the Vocational
Rehabilitation Act to assist in providing
more flexibility in funancin and admin-
istering State rehabilitation programs,
and to assist in expanding and improv-
ing services and facilities provided under
these programs, particularly for the
mentally retarded.
Or it may be remembered as the Con-
gress that found the way to remove more
than $4 billion in excise taxes, a burden
borne since the days of the Korean con-
flict and the Second World War.
Some will remember this Congress for
immigration reform because it ended
the discriminatory national origins
quotas which has remained a constant
irritant to so many millions of our citi-
zens who had come to these shores to
find the freedom and the economic op-
portunity denied them in the land of
their birth.
Conservationists may acclaim this as
the conservation Congress for it author-
ized a comprehensive long-range Fed-
eral-State program for the development
of the Nation's natural resources
through the coordinated planning of
water and land resources. And it also:
Authorized the Assateague, Spruce
Knob, and TocksIsland national recre-
ational areas;
Expanded the Federal program of re-
search and development in the field of
saline water conversion;
Reauthorized the Garrison reclama-
tion project in the Missouri River Basin;
Provided an additional $944 million
for 13 river basin plans:
Authorized the Federal construction of
the $427.1 million Auburn-Folsom Cen-
tral Valley project in California; and
Authorized a $2 billion, 143 project
flood control and beach erosion program.
Or this session may be remembered as
the one that enacted the $325,500.000
program of highway beautification and
scenic development by the control of
outdoor billboards and junkyards.
Whatever name ultimately is chosen to
identify and describe this Congress, the
appraisals of historians will not be
limited to the accomplishments already
mentioned.
They will tell how $1.1 billion in aid
to Appalachia was voted by this session
of Congress to an 11-State region in
which proud American citizens have suf-
fered because of a switch from a coal to
a gas and oil economy. Since the mid-
fifties the Governors of these States, rep-
resenting both parties, had worked to
develop a national plan for the rehabil-
itation of this area and the 89th Congress
capped their efforts with this great trail-
blazing piece of legislation. They will
tell how this session doubled the funds by
authorizing $1.785 billion for fiscal 1966
for the antipoverty program to create
new and expand existing opportunities
for young people to obtain work, educa-
tion, and training.
They will tell how the coffee agreement
was implemented, thus providing eco-
nomic underpinning for our relations
with our neighbors to the South.
As the ghettos of today are replaced
by the decent homes of tomorrow, his-
torians may trace the beginning of a suc-
cessful attack upon urban decay to the
extraordinary and revolutionary rent
subsidy Program authorized by this ses-
sion. And they will note that this was
the session that took cognizance of the
fact that more than 70 percent of all
Americans live in cities and in recogniz-
ing this created a new Cabinet Depart-
ment of Housing and Urban Develop-
ment to colic with urban problems which
our largely rural ancestors never imag-
ined could exist.
Nor was it overlooked that this Nation
requires an abundance of food and fiber
at reasonable and stable prices. It was
t.irts se..Siorr that enacted the omnibus
farm bill designed to maintain farm in-
come, stabilize prices, and assure ade-
quate supplies of agricultural commodi-
ties, to reduce surpluses, lower Govern-
ment costs. promote foreign trade, and
afford greater economic opportunity in
rural areas.
It was this session of Congress that ex-
b'nded the Sugar Act through December
31, 1971, established foreign quotas for
1966 and 1967, increased quotas for do-
mestic producing areas, established quo-
tas for foreign suppliers, and provided
for temporarily filling the quotas reserved
for Cuba.
To alleviate this Nation's transporta-
tiondifficulties, this session of Congress
authorized the 3-year $90 million pro-
gram of research and development
for demonstrations in high-speed inter-
city ground transportation, improved
the national transportation system
by strengthening enforcement efforts
against illegal trucking and by requiring
motor carriers and freight forwarders to
pay reparations for unreasonable or dis-
criminatory rates. And this Congress,
too, authorized construction of a 25-mile
rail rapid transit for the Nation's
Capital.
It was this session of Congress that
approved and submitted to the States for
ratification a proposed constitutional
amendment to permit the Vice President
to become Acting President if the Presi-
dent were unable to perform his duties
and to provide for filling a vacancy in
the office of the Vice-Presidency. And in
this Congress, too, it was made a Federal
crime to kill, kidnap, or assault the Pres-
ident, the President-elect, the Vice Pres-
ident, or, in case there is no Vice Presi-
dent, the officer next in the order of suc-
cession to the office of President.
It was this session that provided a 7-
percent across-the-board increase in
social security benefits; a 6- to 11-per-
cent increase in Federal employees re-
tirement benefits; a 3.6 percent across-
the board pay increase for Federal
employees: and a 10-percent increase in
service-connected disability compensa-
tion.
Before appending the capsule of ac-
complishments, a few words must be said
about how, in my judgment, they came
about.
The Nation has had in the White
House, during this extraordinary period,
a President of great dedication with three
decades of congressional experience be-
hind him. President Johnson was given
by the voters in November of 1964 an
unprecedented mandate to tackle prob-
lems facing this Nation and huge major-
ities were elected in the 89th Congress to
join in solving them.
Moreover, there has been the kind of
cooperation from the minority which has
reaffirmed the wisdom of the two-party
system and demonstrated the meaning
and significance of the loyal opposition.
Posterity will recognize the outstanding
contribution of the minority leadership
and notably, in extending voting rights
to all citizens without discrimination.
In the field of foreign affairs, posterity
will understand the role played by the
Senate in support of and constructive
advice to the President. The issues have
been critical and difficult but their con-
sideration in the Senate have been sin-
vular?ly free of partisanship.
It has been not only a productive but
an interesting session. The following is
the brief capsule by subject referred to
above.
AGRICUI TURE
Acreage reduction agreements: Makes
it possible to pay farmers 1965 price-
support payments or certificates for par-
ticipating in the feed grain, wheat, and
cotton programs where crop planting is
prevented because of floods, drought, and
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89iIi CONGRESS
1sT SE SSION
Re 4845
[Report No. 938]
IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES
SEPTEMBER 7, 1965
Read twice and referred to the Committee on Government Operations
OoTOBnr, 22,1965
Reported by Mr. JAcKsox, without amendment; considered, read the third time,
and passed
ACT
AN
To provide for the economic and efficient purchase, lease, main-
tenance, operation, and utilization of automatic data process-
ing equipment by Federal departments and agencies.
1 Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representa-
2 tives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
3 That title I of the Federal Property and Administrative
4 Services Act of 1949 (63 Stat. 377) , as amended, is hereby
5 amended by adding a new section to road as; follows :
6 "AUTOMATIC DATA PROCESSING EQUIPMENT
7 "SEC. 111. (a) The Administrator is authorized and
8 directed to coordinate and provide for the economic and
efficient purchase, lease, and maintenance of automatic data
10 processing equipment by Federal agencies.
II
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" (d-) f) A tltO111t1t.ic data processing equipment suitable
2 for eflicient and effective use by Federal agencies shall he
2 provided by the Administrator through purchase, lease,
4 transfer of equipment. from other Federal agencies, or other-
5 wise, and the diiiiuitrator is authorized and directed to
G provide by cunt nic( or otherwise for the maintenance and
7 repair of such equipment. Ili carrying oil( his responsibilities
8 under this section the Administrator is authorized to trans-
9 fer automatic data processing egiiipil)ent hetwecil Federal
10 agencies, to provide for joi
titilizatiol) of Such equipillcilt
11 by two or more Federal agencies, acid to establish and oiler-
12 a.te egllipiuent pools and data- processing centers for the use
1'3 of two or more such agencies when necessary for it., most
14 eflicielit and effective utilization.
15 (2) '1'1-e. Administrator way delegate to otie or more
IG Feder-il agelruies alithority to operate -lutolilatie data proc-
17 essing egtuipmeiit- pools alid -llitol-uttic llllta 1-rocessiiln center,,
18 and to lease, purchase, or inailltaln individual automatic data
19 processing systems or specific units of vilidpinent, including
20 such equipment used in automatic data processing pool, and
21 ltu(olliatic data, processing centers, -lien such action is deter-
22 alined by the Administrator to be necessary for (lie economy
` and clliciencv of openitiona, or when such action is essential
24 to nsltiollal defense or national 5C('i1ity. The Administrator
may delegate to one or more Federal agencies autliurity to
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1 lease, purchase, or maintain automatic data processing equip-
2 m-ent to the extent to which he determines such action to be
3 necessary and desirable to allow for the orderly implement-
4 tion of a program for the utilization of such equipment.
5 (c) There is hereby authorized to be established on
6 the books of the Treasury an automatic: data processing fund.,
7 which shall be available without fiscal year limitation for
8 expenses, including personal services, other costs, and the
9 procurement by lease, purchase, transfer, or otherwise of
1-0 equipment, maintenance, and repair of such equipment by
-1-1 contract or otherwise, necessary for the efficient coordination,
.12 operation, utilization of such equipment by and for Federal
13 agencies: Provided, That a report of equipment inventory,
14 utilization, and acquisitions, together with an account of re-
15 ceipts, disbursements, and transfers to miscellaneous receipts,
16 under this authorization shall be made annually in. connection
17 with the budget estimates to the Director of the Bureau. of
18 the Budget and. to the Congress, and the inclusion in. appro-
10 priation acts of provisions regulating the operation of the
20 automatic data processing fund, or limiting the expenditures
21 therefrom, is hereby authorized.
22 " (d) There are authorized to be appropriated to said
23 fund such sums as may be required which, together with the
24 value, as determined by the .Administrator, of supplies and,
25 equipment from time to time transferred to the Administra-
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tor, shall constitute the capital of the fund: Pr?ovidcd, That
said fund shall be credited with (1) advances and reinlburse-
ments from available appropriations and funds of any agency
4 (including the General Services Adndnistration) , organiza-
Lion, or contractor utilizing such equipment and services ren-
dered them, at rates determined by the Administrator to
approximate the costs thereof met by the fund (including
depreciation of equipment, provision for accrued leave, and
for amortization of iaastaallation costs, but excluding, in the
determination of rates prior to the fiscal year 1967, such di-
rect operating expenses as may be directly appropriated for,
which expenses may be charged to the fund and covered by
advances or reimbursements from such direct appropriations)
and (2) refunds, or recoveries resulting from operations of
the fund, including the. net proceeds of disposal of excess or
surplus personal property and receipts from carriers and
others for loss of or damage to property : Provided further,
That following the close of each fiscal year any net income,
after making provision, for prior year losses, if any, shall be
tranferred to the Treasury of the United States as n-iisccl-
laneous receipts.
" (e) The proviso following paragraph (4) in section
201 (a) of this Act and the provisions of section 602 (d) of
this Act shall have no applieation in the administra-tion of
25 this section. No other provision of this Act or any other Act
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1 which is inconsistent with the provisions, of this section shall
2 be applicable in the administration of this section.
3 . " (f) The Secretary of Commerce is authorized (1) to
4 provide agencies, and the Administrator of General, Services
5 in the exercise of the authority delegated in this section, with
6 scientific and technological advisory services relating to auto-
7 magic data processing and related systems, and (2) to make
8 appropriate recommendations to the President relating to the
9 establishment of uniform Federal automatic data processing
10 standards. The Secretary of Commerce is authorized to
11 undertake the necessary research in the sciences and tech-
12 nologies of automatic data processing computer and related
13 systems, as may be required under provisions of this sub-
14 section.
15 " (g) The authority conferred upon the Administrator
16 and the Secretary of Commerce by this section shall be exer-
17 cised subject to direction by the President and to fiscal and
18 policy control exercised by the Bureau of the Budget.
19 Authority so conferred upon the Administrator shall not be
20 so construed as to impair or interfere with the determination
21 by agencies of their individual automatic data processing
22 equipment requirements, including the development of
23 specifications for and the selection of the types and configura-
24 tions of equipment needed. The Administrator shall not in-
25 terfere with, or attempt to control in any way, the use made
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of automatic data }J oeessing equipment, or eoniponents there-
2 of by any agency. The Administrator shall provide ade-
3 clua.te notice to all agencies and other users concerned with
4 respect to each proposed determination speciheallv affecting
5 them or the aittoniatic data processing equipment itr com-
ponents used by them. In the ahsense of mut oaf agreement
between the Administrator and the agency or user cOn-
8 cc-riled, such ~~r~liiisccl deteriiiinatioiis shall be subject to
review and decision by the Bureini of the Budget hitless the
President otherwise directs."
Passed the House of Representatives September 2, 19G5.
Attest : RALPH R. ROBERTS,
('1c7r1r.
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