SUBCOMMITTEE NO. 5 COMMITEE ON THE JUDICIARY

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SUBC011001TEE NO. 5, COMIC! Inn
ON THE JUDICIARY
51r. BOLLING. Mr. Speaker, I ask
unanimous consent that Subcommittee
No. 601 the Committee on the Judiciary
may be permitted to sit during general
debate on July 29 and 31, and August
1 and 2.
The SPEAKER. Is there objection
to the request of the gentleman from
Missouri?
There was no objection.
Mr. HARRIS. Mr. Speaker, will the
gentleman yield to me for a unanimous-
consent request?
Mx. BOILING. I yield to the gentle-
Man from Arkansas.
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cower= ON INTERSTATE AND
1101MION COMMERCE
Mr. HARRIS. Mr. Speaker, I ask
animations consent that the Committee
on Interstate and Foreign Commerce
may sit daring general debate this after-
noon.
' The SPIIARER. Is there objection
to the reqUest of the gentleman from
Arkanars?
GROSS. Mr. Speaker, reserving
SO right to object, I have been told by
Ilene that this leans of the most
EOM* bills that will come before this
sMakni ee Congress. I am, of course,
refeeting to the bM before us this after-
noon to spend $1.1100,000 in connection
VIM the transititin of one President to
MINIM Me and the h&doctrination of
nellitalidget.
-Dues not the gentleman want to be
liege be take ogre of the Presidents, pres-
lat. NM future? It lea very Important
IOW VS at least so I am told.
Rateater. I withdraw my reserva-
tion Of oh:notion.
Mr. HAMM I thanli the gentleman.
? The SPEAKER. Is there objection to
the reqlotet of the gentleman from
/Mamas?
'fliers wee no objection.
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Mr. BOLLING. Mr. Speaker, I know
of no controversy at all on this rule and
Immerse the balance of my time insofar
al the rule is concerned.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 5 minutes to the
gadisman from Virginia Mfr. Siam]
and ink imanhnous consent that he may
speak out of order.
The SPEAKER. Is there objection to
the request of the gentleman from Mls-
souri?
There was no objection.
The SPEAKER. The gentleman from
Vlrglfa Is recognized for 5 minutes.
"CUL man ze noon me coerce, SAW Ara"
Mr. SMITH of Virginia. Mr. Speaker.
I ask unanimous consent that I may in-
sert a newspaper article at the conclu-
sion of my remarks.
The SPEAKER. Is there objection to
the request of the gentleman from Vir-
ginia?
There'was no objection.
Mr. SMITH of Virginia. Mr. Speaker,
I was rather shocked this morning to
read an article in the newspaper to the
effect that a deal was being made in the
House on the cotton and the area re-
development bills. It is quite a lengthy
article, but I am going to read the first
two paragraphs:
A North-South political trade finally moved
the long-stalled cotton bill out of the House
Rules Committee yesterday.
The committee voted to let the cotton bill
go to the House floor after Southern Demo-
crate?
And I am one of them?
Agreed to support depressed areas legisla-
tion that they helped to defeat last month.
I just wonder what we are coming to
around here. Primarily I want to ab-
solve the Rules Committee from any par-
ticipation in any such outrageous trade
If it took place.
Mr. ALBERT. Mr. Speaker, will the
gentleman yield to me?
Mr. SMITH of Virginia. I yield.
Mr. ALBERT. Mr. Speaker, I read
the article to which the distinguished
chairman of the Committee on Rules
has made reference. The article, if it
purports to cover anything that the
leadership has said or done, Is entirely
false. No such deal has been made and
certainly the leadership has been no
party to any such deal.
?
Mr. SMITH of Virginia. I am- de-
lighted to hear that. What I wanted to
say is that the Rules Committee Is cer-
tainly no party to any such deal. So
far as the Rules Committee is concerned
MIS bill was reported in the regular way.
If therg was any such trading going on
here the Rules Committee did not know
anything about it. Certainly it was
never mentioned or considered in any
way, shape or form by the Committee
on Rules. And I can enure you that I
know the members of that committee so
well that I do not believe the rule could
have gotten out under any such kind of
conditions if they had known about it.
Mr. Speaker. I am glad to get the state-
ment from the majority leader, I am
glad to know that he is not a party to
this arrangement. As a matter of fact,
I had heard about it before the Rules
Committee acted and I could not believe
It.. I was assured on authority that I
thought was ample that there was no
relationship between the two bills. But
I did notice in this article a very strange
sort of quick; that is, that the cotton
bill will not be called up until after the
area redevelopment bill is first acted
upon. That is a very unusual thing be-
cause I do not know whether the area
redevelopment bill will ever Come up.
The area redevelopment bill is still in
committee. I am sure everybody ? here
remembers that the area redevelopment
bill was here once this year and was de-
feated on a rollcall vote by this House.
It is very unusual that we should have
voted on a bill once in this House and
defeated it on a rollcall vote, after due
deliberation and debate, and then have
It come back here again in the same ses-
sion, almost within the same month,
and that we would be asked to pass upon
It again.
This is a quid pro quo deal.
Just how is it going to be arrandek
one bill for another.
that the quid must come before the quo?
How is it going to be arranged that the
cotton bill shall not be voted upon until
after the quid pro 'quo votes have been
delivered on the area redevelopment bill?
Maybe somebody can inform me about
that. You know, it so happens that the
Rules Committee has a little something
to do about when these bills come to the
noon I want to assure you that if there
is any such deal going on or has gone
on, I am going to use what little finagling
and delaying, and so forth, that I can
bring to pass on this situation to see that
that does not happen.
Mr. Sneaker, I resent this article.
The SPEAKER. The time of the gen-
tleman from Virginia (Mr. Sunni UM
expired. ?
Mr. BOLLING. me. Speaker, I phi*
the gentleman 5 additional gehlutin
Mr. SMITH of Virginia. Mr.
I resent this article because it putt 'Wry
Member of the House on the ape& .
Members may want to ohmage thirsts*:
one way or the ether, ait tirisisdriedir
changed conditions or dinned'
dons of the MIL But ha win be
to critleinMhe ?riff MEOWS in
any Member that ehandas
has Planed every Metakarhlt this
and some Manion may have
son to. change their voise.4"
what they might be; hem*
thrashed this thing oat
every Member is tinder
now on until this lastest
and I hope It win be dhow*:
They say that the _IniMogik,
tads, the southern alebilinS,?-lrigs
we southern boil are_r
horse traders.- I was raissglintse
good hone trader insisitr ,
a horse trade I want.lia-pide
value. - Hese this acenole
boys of being so softhesikd
ast-
going to trade off a thingthikVD:
not for, in the appropriation et riste-iiMi
Payer's money and our Millieteenf.
of 4450 mflH mid what ails WO
to get in return? They are going
us an aid, broken-6nm idaillsOlosik;
spavined horse for $350 muses MI5
ton deal. Is that what we are IOW
do around here if we are going to Mete
a trade?
Mr. ALBERT. Mi. Slieldfcr, win tha
gentleman yield?
Mr. SMITH of 'Virginia. I sirayfr
yield to the majority leader.
Mr. ALBERT. I am certain tit" gen.
tleman is one of the best horse traders
In the country. I think he le trying to
make a trade now. I think he is IONS
to use an article which has no foundatIon
so far as I know to make It impossible -1
for Members for good reason to vote for
either of these bins.
Mr. SMITH of Virginia. I appreciate*
the compliment of my good friend.
know one coming from him Is more valu-
able than one coming from most every-
body else. I admit I am a pretty good .
horse trader. I admit I sin opposed to
the area redevelopment bill. I further
admit I am going to do anything I can
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to hell) tiefmt it. If that is horse trad-
ing. the I am a horse trader.
rain going to gay one other *Mg.
There was another newspaper article
Shit! saw this morning which was Pub-
lished yesterday morning in a newspaper
frega Mother State. It mentioned the
=
it one of my colleagues in this
.to wham tam very much devoted,
MOS tehl s steel that ought to be cor-
m/led,
1.-Alendimiten. I hope that this Rouse has
nob diemmitglown to the point where we
alt Weald here tradhm off our taxpayers'
Mistily filit to pass a bin.
- 'tiffIlekffledbier. a 41 article to which I re-
illirgehlmenerle as follows:
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, ' ...904.4104bies4lbeilllitlealootten bui am lt frir ally
the
?liklibtlifilleil Othuttlitell yesterday.
r. -910111Mielee Voted to let the totem
;11e,the Zoom Par after southern
4e......
wi tO llbethelped to defeat last
support dewiest! arms
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bill Illintin
anspeet it ta emoaase me
trodderg M me dowered Mims
= jar posh,
ithelber the Roues
Ile -eallea- tealsontes.
mimes
Me Roam win be
to. .the depotheid
leedes? ilek for
ligillibillt '
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by ? vote
IOW belt weld Nam provided
?addincom tun& for the
Admndeeration.
Mem ass aeon. of me Met
'aff
the Repaedy earatres-
ammo Wain to aspesesed
Mown Weary.
wasentesesd in the Home
thet le had Mee badly
thell 'project* had been
linele. The thing=
supporters at the
DT morn'
lei eaditianal tends
by a tote at IS to 10 on
than Ote Wane Wows and
IMMO bedsore have beim toying
etist'_a mit to resurrect me am in the
seem bitl seemed to be the best ye-
s beenne the 10 Southern Democrats
naeted in leel and then
0 Vol e op-
riasuppoeted a. mereesett areas program
mild it in June included several Influential
llitbiliers who desperately want a cotton bill.
AMMO these are Chairman Mao= D.
Essurr. neemerat of North osmium, of
the Maw AglicUlture Committee, and Step-
ticsatattre Toombs 0. Asitherrsy, Demo-
amt, of ifisidiedppl, a senior committee
asseaber.
Wt Monday the Roues Banking Commit-
tee le scheduled to take up the depressed
area program again. The committee Is ex-
pected to approve a slightly modified version
Cf the legislation as it was passed by the
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The cotton bill, which has been the sub-
ject of controversy for more than 6 months,
Would make it 13011111ble for domestic textile
splits to buy American cotton at the same
It so marketed abroad.
AN 111.42NT SONNIDT
Now MS, cotton sells for 94% cents a
pound in foreign markets and for 32% cents
In the United States because of an 6%-cent
subsidy paid to exporters. Without the
subsidy American cotton could not compete
with lower price cotton produced in other
countries.
The proposed legislation would subsidize
domestic as well as foreign sales of cotton.
The legislation has run Into opposition
from Congressmen who question the wisdom
of piling another subsidy on top of the sub-
sidies already paid cotton farmers through
the 32%-cent-s-pound Government price
guarantee.
Also complicating the outlook for the leg-
islation la a proposal in it allowing cotton
farmers to increase their production If they
are willing to market the additional cotton
at the lower world market prices.
This proposal, which was put Into the bill
at the insistence of selebont Western pro-
ducers, would provide for greater cotton pro-
duction when there already is a largo surplus
at American cotton.
Mr. BOLTING. Mr. Speaker, I yield
such time as he may desire to the gentle-
man from Florida [Mr. Birsesrrl.
(Ur. BENNET'r of Florida asked jusd
was given permission to speak out of
order. and to revise and extend his re-
marks.)
Mr. BENNETT of Florida. Mr. Speak-
er. elide is Piling upon oriels, one of our
more astute political writers, the versa-
tile and brilliant William S. White, sug-
gested the other day. While we are in
the midst of a second racial revolution,
not urine the 1860's, we are faced with a
Slime economic problem Involving the
railroads and a threatened nation-
wide Strike, which would create chaos
throughout the country.
With these two major problems hang-
ing over our heads like the sword of Dam-
ocles, we should not forget another great
issue, winch involves not only our gen-
eration, but our children's and their chil-
dren's. I speak of the threatened
degradation of the ethical and moral re-
eliOnsibllities which have been the add-
ing principles for our Nation since its
beginning.
There are apparent and obvious exam-
ples of this possible deterioration of corn-
Munief responsibility standards.
First, I refer to an announcement by
the Federal Bureau of Investigation last
week, reporting that crime in general,
ranging from thefts to murder, was up 6
Percent in 1962 over 1961. Every cate-
gory of major crime, with the exception
of murder, showed a substantial increase.
The FBI report said that crime had in-
creased four times faster than popula-
tion in the past 5 years. A portion of
the report?based on surveys from local
police departments, that should disturb
every decent and law-abiding adult In
the Nation?was concerned with the in-
increase in crime among those only 18
years of age.
In this category, arrests were up a
staggering 9 percent. In fact, more than
half the arrests made in communities of
over 2,500 for burglaries, thefts, and auto
thefts were of persons under 18.
Second, for a period of years the
Supreme Court has handed down deci-
sions which are spelling the destruction
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of our ethical and moral standards In the
United States. The Supreme Court has
created ambiguities when they did not
exist and its decisions have had in many
eases little justification as enunciation
of existing law. The Court has not
looked at the legislative intent of our
basic laws, for example, in its inter-
pretation of the 14th amendment and
Integration of schools. The Court has
made it easier to be a Communist with-
out apprehension; and habitual
criminals escape laws which Congress
has enacted, because of decisions distort-
ing our Bills of Rights.
The recent prayer and Mk decisions
by the Supreme Court should have been
decided on the legal principle, de minImis
non curet lex, that IS, that the law
not cure small or trifling readers. The
complaint of the parties Involved,
seems to me, was hudgnineant.
seemed to be no subsSantlid Injury
those who brought suit In both the
and Bible cases.
However, I am certain the
public suffers from these decisions.
major responsibilities Om mond
ethical teaching now are pieced on the
home and the church. There now Is
strunial training In social behaville
taught in the home.' But. Maur
society, In many cases, both
work, and there are milt !amnia..
leaves a definite vacuum in moral train*
ing. This Is something we MOS to
cognizant of today' and In the tutors.
Woodrow Wilma odd It With chnitin ?
"Our civilization cannot amides materP.?
ally unless it be redeemed sphittany."
Mr. Speaker.! feel it It vitally mown -
sary to provide 10110430n fee Fedeter
assistance for the establhennent et
proper ethical and social bebavier star&
tuts. I have Inttedused Wag a WI
which sets forth these ideas. Thbr bin
should not be obJectienable to the
atheist or the *goads. As a Weidela
matter, I believe lecture* could to Mr
pared and taught at aPProPriate Wit
In our schools. In connection with ffile,
texts could be written with the obJeedill
of crime prevention. Take, for exisMila
the field of stealing and its various
ficationz. The statutes designed to
vent theft rest on basic moral and
standards, and Instruction in
statutes and the principles
them would have very substantial
ences for improved social behavior.
We cannot escape the fact that
we believe in is directly tied to what
do in life. Rousseau described the
those of us in Congress should
to: "Those who treat politics and
ity apart will never understand the
or the other." Louis W. Cabot of
Cabot Corp., in Boston, said recently, "to
maintain public confidence, business
must pursue higher standards of ethical
conduct more vigorously than ever."
Whatever we do, whatever our
grow up to be, should be based on propet
lessons of moral and ethical behavior.
This bill I have introduced provide,
Federal assistance in a field which need,
our urgent attention today. Some of the
present crisis Is the responsibility of the
national level of government; and any
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molutions that may be found will defi-
nitely benefit the Nation as a whole, as
well as the States and their subdivisions.
Mt DOLLING. Mr. Speaker, I yield
5 minutes to the gentleman from Georgia
Mr. Lumina and ask unanimous con-
sent that he may be permitted to speak
out of order.
The SPEAKER. Without objection, it
is so ordered.
There was no objection.
Mr. LANDRUM. Mr. Speaker, last
week when a great Georgian, a distill-
Eldshed American.reached the milestone
of pandas the record for continuous
service in this House established by any
other previous Member, his own col-
leagues from Georgia were unavoidably
absent attending a conference in
chanki, caned by the Governor of
Georgia dealing with matters affecting
all of us, at which, after discussion with
the dirtinillitibed gentleman from
Ouargla end others. it was decided that
am presence in MOW& was required.
Moos we were not here to join in the
slibildid and deserved tributes to the
near Mersaide record established by our
dear friend, Cam Vassar, I wonder if the
Hems Would indulge me One moment,
the opportunity to say publicly some-
:- g not about the record of Mr. Vinsow
bit *boat the Man, CAB& Vasecor, as I
bans came to know him in the 11 years
that it has been my privilege to serve
hare.
lama vane to the Congress in 1953.1
had new met Mr. Vinson. I must eon-
biell that as I prenared to go to kds office
be rasa him I experienced a sort of
SisMeas elation similar to the way I felt
Oen MY tattier canted me to meet an-
grout Georgian, Ty Cobb. when I
WMa Wel Mung boy. But despite that
Virvommeas and apprehension on ineet-
IN ? 1111111 who already, at that time 10
im age, had established a record for
greatness in America?all nervousness
dlingPaffed instantly when, as I entered
his ?Moe, he arose and greeted me with
$ warmth and a welcome usually re-
ser/8d for only warm, personal and in-
timate friends. Prom that moment to
dear, I have found Can Vricsosa
friendellip not only delightful and va
? ablie, but I have learned through this as-
sedatbin with him that he has many
implineent qualities not given to all
Merle in public life and one of those
qualities is this. I believe he as much as
any man alive has the courage to do
things which he thinks are best for de-
moseresy regardless of what it may mean
in the light of a present political anus-
tbs. I am glad I have had the privilege
of knowing Min these 10 years. I confess
I have developed a near parental affec-
tion for the friendship he has allowed me
Mellor with him.
I congratulate the people of Georgia
for providing our colleague, CARL VINSON,
the OPPOrtUNity to serve his Nation and
the world for half a century during a
Period of unparalleled progress in world
history. I join them, as I know all of you
loin us. in hoping that the years in the
future will be marked by the continued
success and service of this great Geor-
gian and distinguished American. I am
happy to have this opportunity to ex-
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press publicly my admiration for his
record and my esteem and affection for
the man.
Mr. BOILING. Mr. Speaker, I yield
3 minutes to the distinguished gentleman
from Virginia (Mr. Toca).
(Mr. TUCK asked and was given per-
mission to speak out of the regular
order.)
Mr. TUCK. Mr. Speaker, I am op-
posed to the impending strike against the
public. I believe in collective bargaining.
I recognize the fact that the right to
strike is the principle weapon of labor
unions. The worker should not be de-
prived of his most valuable weapon, but
I do not now and never have regarded
the right to strike as absolute. There
should and must be some limitations if
we are to preserve public safety and
promote our national defense.
No man, no set of men have a right
to weld themselves together in such fash-
ion as to bring suffering upon the inno-
cent public. It has come down to us
through hundreds of years of civiliza-
tion that public safety is the paramont
function of law. No man has a right
to strike against the public security.
These nationwide strike* in 'essential
public utilities such as the threatened
railroad strike, are contra, to the public
interest and ought not to be tolerated.
Persons employed in public utility com-
panies are quasi-public officials. They
should recognize at the inception of, in
an emergency, their employment that
the responsibility to stay at their poet
of duty until suitable relief can be ob-
tained is a compelling one. Their em-
ployment to a large extent may be
likened to the employment of Mb/ lire
and police departments, for a strike such
as these railroad unions are about to
inaugurate on a nationwide scale could
be even more disastrous than the strike
of the police or Bre department in a
single city. ?
Professional doctors and nurses in both
our public and private health services
recognize these responsibilities. Irre-
spective of whatever working conditions
may arise at their hospitals or Moles of
employment, we have never heard of
them uniting to strike. If doctors and
nurses formed a union amongst them-
selves and went on strike, ignoring the
suffering and dying patients in hospitals,
as well as those outside, we know that the
wrath of the public would speedily cor-
rect such a situation.
We recognize in this country that every
man has the right to self-defense. But
however strong the provocation, we also
recognize that no MOD has the right to
hurl a missile at his antagonist if that
missile endangers the safety of an in-
nocent bystander. In such a situation as
the proposed railroad strike, the United
States of America may lie Prostrate and
be powerless to defend itself against its
enemies, foreign and domestic. Like-
wise, our economy may be upset to such
an extent as to accuse men, women, and
children to suffer.
The unbridled right to strike is the
shibboleth of the labor Unions. It is a
false and spurious doctrine to claim that
such a right cannot be restrained. We
must repudiate such preachments. We
must prevent these power-drunk MOOG
tyrants and modern-day Saineenbr
blinded with their fury and wrath. front
pulling down the two Pillars Of the
temple, thus destroying the people and
themselves alike.
The problems of the country and of
the world today arise largely because we
have too many men in high public office
whose concern for the public good is
subordinated to their desire for reeleo-
tion to public ?Mee, and thus for political
purposes they cater to this or that or-
ganized group.
The "Profiles in Courage" Mint which
we have read BO Mk* should be pro-
liferated and projected down to meet the
Present-day problems, such as the Men-
acing railroad situation that confronts
us today.
Mr. BROWN of Ohio. Mr. Speaker.
following precedent, I yield I. ashanteg ,
to the gentleman from New Yost and
ask unanimous consent that home. two-
reed out of order.
The SPEAKER. Is them OkiestiOn
the request of the gentkenantralit Ohio?
There was no objection.
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Mr. szcsert.. Mr. apealux. I max
well aware that every rese,.
Room blows that I ham MGM a_Rit
Ron at the doge to Mint Waft ?
House a constitutional ameadosessithat,
would permit prayer in MI
-
schools and in 11 public Waves. -
Milian has been at the digit ism irm
the past 2 weeks. The eignagnma
moving up gradually.
Mr. Speaker, I hime 111 theM019510K.,
far distant future we will aleaminingh
signatures to bring that =On Whim
the Rouse. However, IlMow benaggnal, -
questions that have been asked
that there there are 47 Memberswhobeffleta-v,
troduced resolutions providing for a come
stitutional amendment such am mtue1T. ',-
that the wording of them sonstittitionel%
amendments is in many diabrent Iowa,?
Mr. Speaker, I announced last ire*
that I was going to ask for a
of the 47 Members and sit down and dlik-
cuss the method of writing Obe nartill? ?
lar amendment that mild lie Amid
upon by these 47 Members Jo that eit'
amendment can then- come behire-thlv
Rouse under an open rule as provided in ?
my discharge petition, which MO meet ,
the approval of these 47 Members. aM
substitute It for-Home Joint Resolution
9.
After the meeting of these Menibira.
six Members were appointed and Inked
to serve on the committee, with lags-
lative counsel.
This is a bipartisan committee made
up of the following Democrats and Re-
publicans: Mr. Bunts of Nevada, a
Democrat. Mr. Lam of Ohio, a Repub-
lican, me KOINIRGAY of North Carolina,
a Democrat, Mr. Camas of Florida, a
Republican. Mr. FOCIIIA of Florida, a
Dfsnocrat, and myself from New York. '
a Republican,
hope that, given a couple of Weeks ?
time, we may come up with a satisfac-
tory amendment which we can all sup-
port.
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Nog I aim say to the Members of the
Nouse and those who have been reluctant
to sign ditcher's petitions, that if We
saga agree, I Would oak every Member, to
? AIM.. at the very earliest Possible mo-
meat, sign this petition so that this mat-
Wring eosin before the Howe.
Itr.SCISAEMBIRG. Mr. Speaker, win
, the genthimul yield?
? Mr. IINCIDIR. I yield to the gentle-
man frost Whoonaln.
. Mr. SIONADINIERt3. Mr. Speaker, I
wish to tommend the gentleman from
New York for his efforts on behalf of
the hill* bas introduced and in which
MAW of titinie deeply interested.
110101 She to Janina the Members
st the Stasi that this is one of the most
4'3"Illegnriegg liattessi Ind& we ought to
hSdidng tins year. It is of great
thieSiOnsitrre welfare be-
' geghte the very mot of our
Uggibligir shtlhe very structure of ow
Mideill; We are a nation that is
a foundation of faith in God.
SOU* that has grown drone
.at.ouirtaith In God, we are a
has hair liberties beyond those
oeintrise idemearsof
'MOO& Wit -because we believe
eireiged Us in His Image and has
he Inds' Mae Adds. ?
be weakened in propOr-
thillbleilleigeMent of that faith
thr,not idiots Ma faith to be
111011O1M.
'11 sppreedate the gen-
I aft heartened by
of *tether body has
legend Uptake Ike steps
mattit before She other
Iteemt.
aieaMa SI lignite ? dis-
at * die-
Ai Mese of lelidation
illasbetarellbe Nouse at an'
amendment must
*lbsCedgrees, Obeid for-
lidtbelig Slates and ratified by
Of the States. This takes
Ode time to Mare.
Mai/ day that other oases
htlimeourte. I have here
iielide dated June 20 an-
. Sao Alliertege Civil Lib-
,11611 taking up a clue in
emir% now to eliminate
? from the pledge of al-
1005,110 lines flag. This was put be
SONO by an ad of Congress of 1054.
Store tbe Speaker's rostrum appears
"1i Ood WO Trust,' put there by our
Mithignished ? Speaker, the gentleman
Stogildisimehmetes Want McCoenscal.
,-0124/1 is another ease that will come
hairs the courts, to take this off our
coins and currency and other places.
/ include as part of my remarks the
following article previously referred to:
Mom the New York Timed
nom Mew Asindcasi Cave. Luaus Sun
LdrAweleak June 20.?The American Civil
Modes Union Sled suit in superior court
" fluid le) to *Indust* "under God" from
the Pulp of allegiance to the flag, as recited
M the lou Angeles school system.
Ths suit amerted that the phrsee, added
Is the pledge by Oceepem in 1964, violated
eandituttostal guarantee of freedom of
The action was prepared by the ACLU
regional dace on behalf of a history teacher
in the Los Angeles schools (George Wash.
Widen High School).
The Los Angeles Board of Education was
named as defendant.
The teacher said:
"It's a matter of conscience with me.
I think the phrase le out of place there.
I am not an atheist and I am not an
agnostic."
The teacher said he had permitted his
clauses to recite the pledge while he stepped
out into the hall. This, he said, 'night rub-
Jed him to dismissal and he sponsored the
suit to protect his rights.
Mr. Speaker. I say we should act now to
amend the Constitution so that we do
not Permit Almighty God to be taken out
of our American society that made this
country great.
Under the regimes in Russia and under
Hitler In Germany it was stated: "Give
me the youth of the nation, let me con-
trol them, and I will control the nation."
They did just that They got the
youth of those countries to eliminate God
from their minds and the Communists
continue to do that, so that they create
a godless society. We should not permit
that in this country.
Sign the petition, bring it before the
Houle, let it be debated, and let it go
before the People.
Mr. BROWN of Ohio. Mr. Speaker,
will the gentleman yield?
Mr. BECKER. I yield to the gentle-
man from Ohio.
Mr. BROWN of Ohio. May I say to the
gentleman and to the Members of the
HOMO that I shall support any Miser
resolution of the tem the gentleman has
In mind that will provide for the sub-
minket of a constbutional amendment
to the various States for ratification so
we may have a Constitution that cannot
be misinterpreted by any court as to our
belief in Almighty God.
Mr. BECKER. I thank the gentleman
and appreciate his support
Mr. Speaker, last year, and again this
year, the Governors' conference sup-
ported Prayer in public schools and I
have no doubt that should we submit this
constitutional amendment to the various
State legislatures, It will be approved.
Mr. BROWN of Ohio. Mr. Speaker, I
yield myself such time as I may consume.
(Mr. BROWN of Ohio asked and was
given permission to revise and extend his
remarks.)
Mr. BROWN of Ohio. Mr. Speaker,
If the House will bear with me I would
like to speak for just a moment or two
on the bill, and the rule which makes in
order the consideration of the bill, H.R.
4838.
The adoption of this resolution and
rule would provide that H.R. 4638 would
be subject to 1 hour of general debate
under an open rule which would permit
the offering and consideration of any
and all amendments and, of course.
would permit the House to work its will
on this very important legislation.
The bill itself is designed for the pur-
pose of promoting the orderly transfer
of Executive power in connection with
the expiration of the term of ofilce of the
President and the inauguration of a new
President. It also applies to the ofnce
July 25
of the Vice President. Another provi-
sion of the bill, by the way, would au.
thorke the preparation, transfer.
employment of needed help and assist-
ants for a period of some S nsontbs
a President went out of ?Mee, in order
rearrange his records and papers
transport them wherever he might
sire them to be placed, or to turn them
over to the proper agency of the Govern-
ment for preservation and future use.
The enactment of this type of legisla-
tion has been requested by a Warns=
commission of very distinguished Ameri-
cans named by the President, by
Bureau of the Budget, by both
Democratic and Republican Minotaur
Committees, and endorsed and ream
-
mended, as I understand it, by the
dent and evert living nr-Prisidont
While the request for the enactment
this legislation, based on the
mendation of this bloodies& cOmmle-c
Son, was submitted to President
nedy, bets the only mania Amides eim
cannot poesibkr benefit from M. That
Is because this mosey, or this appreetta-P
non, that is to be authorised to
the expenses of a proper transition
one administration to soother
only when a new administration comes
Into dice, that is, when a new Preddent
takes over from a sitting President.
Should President Kennedy be re-
elected?and I have my personal
on that which I will not express here?
but should President Kennedy be
elected and this bill be law, be would
benefit and would not receive any aid
any benefit under the provisions of
act.
Kr. ORO. Mr. Speaker, will that
gentleman yield?
Mr. BROWN of Ohio. I will come
you in a moment because I like to
cies this legislation with the vegg;
learned gentleman from Iowa, but I war
discuss it on my time and on my
I might add.
This bill does provide for $1,200.0*
as a top-level amount that can be spun&
for the transition from one adidnistraft
tion to another and also for
shipping, and delivering certain remade
during a (1-month period after a Prod.
dent and Vice President go out of ?Moe;
that is, to take care of their various of-
tads such as records, and so forth an*
soon.
This $1,300,000 contained in the Idli
Is a limitation on the total amount that.
can be expended. You win note the
amount is a committee amendment.
The Bureau of the Budget and others
suggested the amount be $1,500,000. It
was upon my motion that the amount
was reduced to $1,300,000. I had the
Idea, by the way. I might say to the
gentleman from Iowa, that perhaps we
could get by with $1,200,000, but thought-
ful as I am always of his welfare and
of his position here on the floor of the
House, I agreed to the $1,300.000 so as
to permit the gentleman from Iowa to
follow his usual procedure of putting in
an amendment to reduce the amount
by $100,000 so he may maintain the
great record he has made in this House
for always voting for economy and for
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saving tax money. I personally would
be glad to accept that amendment if
the gentleman will offer it at the proper
thne.
I know there will be some discussion
of this bill and as far as I am concerned
you can amend it in any way you please.
becaube I am not a candidate for Presi-
dent, and I will not benefit from it. No
President will talk to me about any job
he may have to offer, or anything of that
sort. But I do know from experience,
as a member of the Republican National
Committee and as one who has been
close to several Republican administra-
tions back in the dear dead days when
we had Republicans in the White House,
that when you elect a new President
there are a great many expenses in-
volved in changing over from one ad-
ministration to another.
I remember how we went' around,
usually at the end of a presidential cam-
Deign, with tincup in hand, whether it
WU the RePnbUcsn or the Democratic
National Committee that wayed the win-
ning, a victorious campaign, the com-
mittee generally was broke when the
election was over. As most of the Mem-
bers know, who are practical in politics,
that Is the case. I do remember some-
thing about the dffeculty that the Re-
publican National Committees had in
the past in getting enough money to-
gether to help meet the expenses of a
President-elect, so that he might or-
ganize his new administration in time
to take over. The same is also true as
fez as the Democratic Party is con-
cerned. because both political party com-
mittees?that is, the Democratic and
Republican National Committees?have
made that very clear in discussions with
soma of us.
Tbis bill does provide?and I want to
discuss this bemuse somebody will bring
it up?this bill does provide that the
General Services Administration shall
furnish the help and the equipment and
the finances, up to this fixed amount, as
may be needed for this trunnion period,
atter the General Services Administrator
determines in his own judgment, as the
director of this fund, that there has been
a President elected. Of course, that does
not mean that he has to wait until the
electoral college meets, or until we can-
vass the votes here just a few days before
the inaugural; but instead, as the bill
Is written, when it becomes apparent;
and he may not act until it becomes ap-
parent; that a President has been
elected.
Well, in 1980 we had one of the closest
Presidential elections in all history and
yet it became apparent soon after the
election that Mr. Kennedy had been
elected. I was not too happy about it, I
might add, that he had defeated Mr.
Nixon for President. But Mr. Nixon ad-
mitted it, _conceded it, the Republican
leadership admitted it and conceded it,
and there was no reason why the transi-
tion period should not have started, as
it would have if this bill had been in
effect. And, as a matter of fact, it did
start then soon after the election, just as
soon as it became apparent that Mr.
Kennedy had been elected.
No. 113-2
RECORD ? HOUSE
So I think this is a particularly safe
section. I do not believe, regardless who
might be in charge at the General Serv-
ices Administration, that any man would
dare to say that somebody else was
elected President other than the man
who all the American people knew had
been elected. There would be a necktie
Party here in Washington. You know it
and I know it, if any man occupying that
Post were to attempt any funny business
in connection with that. And anybody
who tries to argue anything about this
particular section of the bill will be doing
nothing but dragging a red herring across
the trail to mislead you in order to get
you to complain about this bill.
I am told there are other sections of
this bill that one or two Members have
complained about. On page 7 there is a
provision that not more than 20 percent
of the total expenditures under this act
for any President-elect or Vice-Presi-
dent-elect may be made upon the basis
of a certificate by the Administrator or
the assistant designated by him pursu-
ant to this section, and that such ex-
penditures are confidential, and that
they accord with the provisions of sub-
sections (a). (b), and (d) of this section.
Somebody may say. "What are YOU
trying to do? Hide what you spend?
What are you going to do? Shade a little
bit? cheat a little bit?"
Do you mean to tell me a President-
elect, a man who has been elected Presi-
dent of the the United States, is going
to cheat on this expense account- I do
not believe it. I do not care who he may
be. Of course, I hope he is a Republican,
but whether he is a Republican or a
Democrat, when this change comes be-
tween administrations I do not believe
that the man the American people elect
as President would try to chest
Why Is this confidential setup pro-
vided? I will tell you why, from a profs-
lieu, political angle. If you stop and
think for a minute you will all agree
with me. It is because the President,
and those who counsel with him, will
want to talk to a great many people in
organizing his administration. He may
want to send for a man, Well; I can
Imagine they can go a lot further and do
slot worse, if we elect a Republican Pres-
ident, that they may want to send for my
friend, the gentleman from Iowa, and
have him come to Washington and dis-
cuss with him whether or not he would
accept a position as Secretary of State,
or as Secretary of the Treasury. The
President-elect might say, "I want to pay
your expenses as provided under this
bill," because I know that you?the gen-
tleman from Iowa?are an honest man.
I do not know what your financial situa-
tion may be. It may be helpful to you
to have your expenses paid. But would
the President of the United States, or
would the gentleman from Iowa, either
one, want it carried in the newspapers
that he had received $318 in carfare to
come to Washington to talk about the
job that was offered to him or that he
had turned down? What would be the
embarrassment to him, and to the Presi-
dent-elect?
The President might go even further
than that. He might if he was a seallin
Republican that had been elected, seled
for me first and say, "Brown, tell Me.
what do you think about this Mal Mall
Iowa? Do you think he would make *
good Secretary of the Treasury, or should
I name him Secretary of State to take
care of our foreign affairs? What is
your judgment?"
He might not be satisfied with haviag
my judgment alone, so he might send
for others. He might ask other Mem-
bers of Congress to come see him about
this matter.
Of course, that is why this Paragraph
Is there. You do not want to advertise
to the world that you have asked any
man to come in for consultation. Why.
bless your heart. the President-elect
might even send for some Democrat like
the floor leader of this House and sat
"You are on the opposite side but you
are a good American, and you want this
administration to be successful. What
do you think about this man? Should
I name him to my Cabinet?"
You may be supriaed as to some of the
Investigations that are made by Prost-
dent-elect--and I happen to know about
some of them?or by those they desig-
nate, going into the past records of men
they are considering, and women, too, for
appointment to public positions. rot-
haps if they had done a little better
checking over in Great Britain before
they had made certain appointarente
there might be a different situation iri
that country today.
That is all this amendment does. If
somebody is going to cry out, "You can-
not trust the President-sleety" why. eat
is all it does. It gives the President-
elect, or whomever he &donates, the
ability and the authority, and the oppor.
ttmity, to use this money without teak*
everybody in the world to whom he has
talked, or whom he has sent out to in-
vestigate somebody, or to find out what
conditions are.
I think this is one of the wheel pro-
visions in the bill, yet a few Gritted's It,
I think they ought to compliment the
committee for having it In the MIL This
is'in my opinion a bill that is long over-
due. It has been =Weed by all Thing
ex-Presidents and the presort President.
It has been recommended by ? distils.
mashed bipartisan oommission setup to
study this question.
It has been recommended by both na-
utical party committees. Its adoption is
urged by the Bureau of the Budget and
by every agency of the Government that
I know of. I do not know why, except
just for the fun of it, perhaps, that any-
one should be taking pot shots at this
bill. It should be enacted unairimously
and I hope it is.
Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance
of my time.
The SPEAKER. The gentleman from
Ohio has consumed 161/2 minuuters.
Mr. BOLLING. Mr. Speaker. I move
the previous question.
The previous question was ordered.
The SPEAKER. The question is on
agreeing to the resolution.
The resolution was agreed to.
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A motion to reconsider was laid on the
table.
itspowr OF NATIONAL ceprrnt
HOUSIND AUTHORITY?MEt3SAGE
FROM THE PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES
The SPEAKER laid before the House
U* following message from the Presi-
dent of the United States which was
read and, together with the accompany-
ing papers, referred to the Committee on
the District of Columbia:
To MS Centres, of Vie United States:
In nearghtnee with the provisions of
N' ew mar atPublks Law 307, 711 Con-
=00lintred Anse 12, 1934, I transmit
'for the information of the Con-
=itlie report of the National Capital
Mellor* for the fiscal year
gritted nego. 1981
Jong P. Kranizer.
Winn HOWL Jaly 25.1963.
-11?11*111023ZAL 121ANSITION eqr OF
1963
, vs ODIOUTTEllor ma111180181
' ?
Mr. Speaker, I move
me resolve Half into the
the Whole House an the
,leri for the consideration
? MR. dew to promote the
W-, the executive power in
tis the expiration of the
Othes of a President and the
& now President.
as agreed to.
the *ON resolved itself
09 the Whole House
the Union for the con-
the bill, 11.14. 41133. with Mr.
,
read the title of the bill.
consent. the first read-
=Cmdispensed with.
Under the rule, the
hong Ronda Oar. Emma
for 80 minutes and the
lawal= "Illinois (Mr. Amason]
resegicined for 30 Wining.
The Choir reeogniess the gentleman
fitelatlinnide. (Mr. Pthosti./.
Iltr. PARCEL& Mr. Chairman. I yield
hliginstes to the gentleman from New
Tat Agit Roswirsual.
Ger. ROSENTHAL asked and was
itiwth Penziesion to revise and extend his
'remarks.).
Kr. ROSENTHAL. Mr. Chairman, I
gultinsted to the Member who is manag-
ing this bill an the floor, the gentleman
from Florida, that sometimes when you
are ahead you ought to quit, and after
the very articulate presentation by the
distinguished gentleman from Ohio (Mr.
Mows], I think we might do well if we
Rad a vote right now. But being a
former trial lawyer sometimes we always
cross-examlne a little too far and I am
wondering if I might not be doing that
now. But there is just one point the
gentleman did not mention which I think
I Blight add which is really, 80 far as
I am concerned. ? motivating force for
the consideration of this bill.
Surely it is important that we have an
orderly transition of government I
think everyone agrees with that. I think
everyone agrees that the President-elect
should have the facilities and the staff
made available so that he can partici-
pate in the orderly transition of govern-
ment But I think there is an overrid-
ing and equally important consideration
that should be stated on the floor of the
House. When President Eisenhower
came in during the interim period I think
the Republican National Committee
spent something in excess of ;200,000 for
staff help and office equipment during
the transitional period. Mr. Chairman,
during 1960, the Democratic National
Committee is reported to have spent
about $360,000 for the transitional pe-
riod. However, it was testified to before
the subcommittee on which I have the
honor and distinction of serving, and
which subcommittee reported this bill to
the floor of the House. that the total
coat to individuals concerned came closer
to $700,000 or ;800,000 for the transi-
tional period.
Mr. Chairman, the question raises it-
self: Who provides the money other than
the national committees for them ex-
penses during this period?
The answer is that private individuals
and private groups and others who are
legally permitted to make these expendi-
tures have put up the money. It seems
to me that the day is coming when gov-
ernment is going to have to underwrite
some of these costa, because the ques-
tion answers itself: If someone is going
to come forward and hell) Pay what we
now recognise is a cost of government,
which is actually what it is, during the
transitional period.`that person may feel
Inclined to think that he is entitled to
special consideration from the govern-
ment.
Mr. Chairman. I think we should
enunciate a policy here and now that
people should not be permitted to expect
special consideration because what they
did was to help pay the cost of govern-
ment
Mr. Chairman, there is a considerable
difference between someone participat-
ing in campaign _expenses, because a
person- of their party seeks high public
office and a person who helps pay a Quasi-
governmental expense. We have come
to recognize the fact, that the orderly
transition of government is a public
function and, actually, the public should
pay the cost.
Mr. Chairman, we should here and
now say by the Passing of this bill?
which really in the first legal document
In this field?that from now on the gov-
ernment will assume its responsibility
and shall pay the cost for the orderly
transition of government. If we do this,
Mr. Chairman, we can prevent any spe-
cial group or any special interests from
anxiously coming forward to help Pay
government expense.
Mr. Chairman, it is my opinion that
this is the most significant reason, and
I think a singular and important reason
why this bill should be enacted.
Mr. ANDERSON. Mr. chairman, I
yield myself as much time as I may
consume.
(Mr. ANDERSON asked and was given
permission to revise and extend his re-
marks.)
July 25
Mr. ANDERSON. Mr. chairman, I
think that were it not for the fact that
we are enjoying the luxury this after-
noon of a somewhat leisurely legislative
Pace, as we have indeed for some weeks
Past, I too would hesitate to engage in
any further discussion of this Particular
measure. But I think since we do have
the time we might as well use a littlef
It to answer any questions which might
still reside in the minds of those,
Possibly wonder whether or not we
In fact by the passage of this bill hu-
toting Just another new Governimeat
Program which has, in fact, little haw.
dation, and for which there is little ne-
cessity.
Mr. Chairman, I think it has inas
pointed out already that the this particular particular legislation goes back
the report of the President's
on Campaign Costs, and that that
a bipartisan group. As I recall
among the members were former
bers of this body and also one
Member of Congress. This
Commindon in May of ken year
mined a number of different
or recommendations on this mend
Ject of campaign costa and hog
ought to be finanoed.
Mr. Chairman, recommendatiow
8 is specifically addressed to this 110110
tion of financing the tramdtion betweew
administrations. I shall quote at this
point from the language of reseramszt
dation No. 8:
W. endorse proposals to lizetitntionallut
the transition train one adroiniseralien..
another when the party in power 188611381.
Now, Mr. Chairman, it was emphasithil
at the hearings that were held on thn
bill that since the amendment lathe'
Constitution was enacted that accele-
rated the date for the Inauguration of -
a President to January 30, we haze had
two new administrations Cane into
power.
of the Presidents lanai& Presi- -
dent Kennedy and President theenhogsr.
enjoyed the cooperation of thorium who
had held the once prior to them.
ever, this transition is Intpretant emote%
and this was pointed out by the pram&
ing speaker, the gentleman from Inn
York, that it should be formalised; It
should be institutionalised into UM I
think, therefore, there is valid reason
for us to consider this kind of a bill, thli
kind of a statute, to provide, as this bat
very simply does, that the Administrator .
of the General Services AdministratiOn
shall make available services and certain
facilities in the way of staff and person-
nel to the incoming President and to the
Incoming Vice President.
Mr. FINDLEY. Mr. Chairman, will
the gentleman yield?
Mr. ANDERSON. I yield to the gen-
tleman from Illinois.
Mr. FINDLEY. As I understand this
bill, it would provide over a million dol-
lmarsontoey might
help get a president into office. I
am wondering if there is any way the
Mr. ANDERSON. be used to get a President
I ran assure the
out of office.
gentleman that much as we might want
to be able to answer that question in the
affirmative, the answer is "No." This is
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Amply a bill that provides for expenses
of the President-elect and Vice-Presi-
dent-elect under certain circumstances.
Mr. SNYDER. Mr. Chairman. will the
gentleman yield?
Mr. ANDERSON. I yield to the gen-
tleman from Kentucky.
Mr. SNYDER. I am wondering, if it is
going to cost the taxpayers a million
three to change Presidents. it might not
be a deterrent to them to change Presi-
dents if it is going to cost that amount
of money.
Mr. ANDERSON. It might be an
added inducement for those who think
that this authorization of $1.3 million
Is too much. I am tempted to say, that
considering the shape the country is in
and the shape it is going to be In by
November 1964, that this is a modest
Min indeed to turn the country around
ati4 install a new administration.
Mr. SNYDER. I would hate to vote
for this legislation and then hear the
President announce a slogan: "Vote for
nis and save a million three."
ANDERSOX The gentlemen has
itted a Suggestion, but, in my Win-
ton, infinitely more than $1.8 million will
be saved by utilizing the provisions of
Ude MK
Mr. MoCLORY. Mr. Chairman, will
the gestleman yield?
Mr. ANDERSON. I yield to the gem-
from Illinois.
Mr. MoCLORY. Is it not a fact that
there is already legislation on the books
providing the outgoing President ex-
penses for a period of II months?
Ms. ANDERSON. That is true. I am
gled the gentleman brought that up.
nelltiell 4c1 this bill would also provide
gentain services to be provided by the
oat to the outgoing President and Vice
Prenident The law at the present time
makes no provision for a Vice President.
It erm felt this was warranted.
I want to answer one possible ques-
tion before concluding these remarks.
One concern that the committee had
during the hearings was that this bill
should not be used as an excuse for any
want, chairman or any crneeseeker to
come dawn to Washington for a brief
Vacation and have his travel expenses
paid pursuant to the provisions of this
brn.
I want to call attention to page 4 of
the report where this question is dis-
owned and where we specifically say:
It Is the committee's intention that the
fUnds made available to the President-elect
SM the Vke-President-elect shall not be
Used to pay the transportation and other
Mein of aliceseekers and others who visit
them on their own initiative.
Whim we provide for the payment of
travel expenses, we mean for people here
In Washington at the request of the
President and who are on official busi-
ness, for consultation or for some other
legitimate purposes. I think this should
allay the fears of any person who might
have some doubt about this particular
feature.
Mr. REllD of New York. Mr. Chair-
man, will the gentleman yield?
Mr. ANDERSON. I yield to the gentle-
man from New York.
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Mr. REID of New York. Mr. Chair-
man, I rise in support of this bill. In my
opinion, it is long overdue and is much
needed. When the bill was under con-
sideration by the Committee on Govern-
ment Operations, I took the liberty of
sending a copy of this legislation to
former Attorney General Herbert
Brownell. He wrote me back as follows:
I was interested in reading the copy of
HR. 4638. "Presidential Transition Act of
1963." which you sent me with your letter
of April 22. I was down in South America
which accounts for my delay in answering.
I read the bill with some care and think
that it is well drawn and should be enacted.
My experience during the months immedi-
ately following the election of 1952 convinced
me that a law of this type would be in the
public interest.
Mr. ANDERSON. I certainly thank
the gentleman from New York for his
contribution.
Mr. Speaker, in conclusion, let me
merely add again that this bill was re-
ported unanimously out of the subcom-
mittee and reported unanimously out of
the full Committee on Government Oper-
ations. It is a bipartisan measure and I
think it deserves the fullest measure of
support of every Member of this body.
The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman
from Illinois has consumed 8 minutes.
Mr. FASCELL. Mr. Chairman, I yield
to the gentleman from Connecticut.
(Mr. MONAGAN asked and was giv-
en permission to revise and extend his
remarks.)
Mr. MONAGAN. Mr. Chairman, I
support this legislation which seeks to
improve the transfer of Executive Power
In the Instance of a change of adminis-
tration in our Federal Government.
Under the bill, certain services and
facilities are provided to the President-
elect and Vice President-elect from the -
time of their election until their in-
auguration, and provides that these
services and facilities shall be paid for
from public funds.
This is the most important Port Of
the bill because it does recognize that
In these days of big government, the
expenses of Preparation for ernes by an
administration are so great that the
country cannot reasonably expect that
they will any longer be borne by in-
dividuals or even by a party organiza-
tion. They are an integral part of the
presidential administration and should
be borne by the public.
It is the public assumption of this
burden which this legislation authorizes
and I shall vote for this bill because I
believe that its purpose is proper.
- Mr. FASCELL. Mr. Chairman, I
yield 5 minutes to the gentleman from
Michigan (Mr. STAMMER].
(Mr. STAEBLER addressed the Com-
mittee. His remarks will appear here-
after in the Appendix.)
Mr. ANDERSON. Mr. Chairman, I
yield 5 minutes to the distinguished gen-
tleman from Iowa (Mr. ()Ross].
(Mr. GROSS asked and was given per-
mission to revise and extend his re-
marks.)
Mr. GROSS. Mr. Chairman, I had
several questions to ask my friend from
Ohio [Mr. Baowal. He declined to *Id.
He apparently became so imbued with
extolling my virtues as an advocate of ?
economy and my virtues as a prospec-
tive appointee of some president?i do
not know which one?that perhaps he
lost sight of the fact that he bad agreed
to yield to me so that I might ask him a
few questions. Now be Is oonspicuous
by his absence. It appears I will have
to direct the questions I have to some-
one else.
First of all I think I would like to ask
the chairman of the subcommittee the
question of who this bill is designed to
help in the immediate future.
Mr. FASCELL I do not know the gen-
tleman's name but it would be whoever
is President-elect in the nut abangeoier
administration, if any.
Mr. GROSS. Does the gentleman
think there will bee change in the nest
election? -
Mr. PASCUA. Mr.. Chairmen, if the
gentleman will yield so I may nom&
ff I could look into my slam or somebody.
else's glass and mane um gentimaan. be
answer to *hat question, I ednirI shoed
resign.
Mr. GROW. The gerittemint
paring for a transition peeled Mid
death, considering all the iniatehi mak
to get this bill through, then is going* '
bee champ In 1964. Woolf-04 hips-
&ibis, in the gentleman% opinion? ?
Mr. MADILL. Anything 14 pomthk
maims Bittl would 11/3 eat mom w
hardly any rush on WI MAR% I**
out of an abundance et caution; hat!**
and good judgment and gm& bulbul
we may look ahead to the tilMe Idlest
these might be a changeOf aiiibitieWO-
uon; although, franifly,tdr'is
hgek
will be the next time. - ? -
Mr. GROSS. Then let olie put "tha
question this way; I do net seem to be ?
able to get a very responsive mower lois
the gentleman as to the Julien that Usto
bill is designed In take ewe of.
Is no change in 1964 thso them is
Immediate need for this bill, le UMW
FASCELL. The bill is inoplego
tire if the meant administration Me-
ceeda itself, by the terms at tits MIL -
Mr. GROSS. Would the .-"----
think it would be the part ?et Modem to
wait for another I or $ years, anywelfi
and see what transpires before WWI-
ing an appropriation of 81..801,0e0? .
Mr. FASCELL. No, sir; the ganuame
does not, because that is what we have
been doing up until now. And while the
situation is as it is, It is a good time to
prepare for the future. That is the "
reason the bill is being brought up at this
time, not in an election year and not
when there is any particular political
heat with respect to any change in ad-
ministration.
Mr. GROSS. But If the line of sue-
cession should follow as some people
, think it may, this legislation would not
be necessary for a period of perhaps 8
years; is that correct?
Mr. FASCELL. On the other hand, it
could be effective immediately.
Mr. GROSS. The gentleman means
In 1964. I am glad to get the suggestion
that there is a strong possibility it may
become effective In 1964.
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Mr. wiscsu... I do not know that I
said there was a strong possibility. I
said that it could become effective im-
Medistely, but that it was well for the
bill to be brought up not in an elec-
tion year.
Mr. GROSS. The gentleman from
Ohio said that this legislation would not
affect the present President. Does the
gentleman agree with that?
Mg. FASCIAS.. That is correct.
Mr. GROSS. Then what about the
Provision in the bill that gives him an
gince staff. for 8 months after he leaves
office?
PASCELL. He Would be an out-
fit/1H Preeldent then.
GROSS. Yes, but he would bene-
fit. lion. WSW the bill, would he not?
Mr. 'MICELI. We have already taken
eige_ 91 that Ws, prier congressional act.
An** de with this bill is extend the serv-
ile. trgehible.
iing1110611. Will is that provIsion in
it this already taken cam of?
?birl?,PASCILL. I think the gentle-
t=rs ereeeeded the tonne:net from
answered that question: also be-
- *Me 91 the Vice President's not being
fit the original hsw. es I reed'
en Whig to give the citation of
?Se "Vbffa UPI about which the gentle-
Let me ask the gentle-
oressame Illimetien- Dees the gentler=
leg, -the gentles' borbion some man
be eseditlate for Resident
ldeistwbo hos to worry about
immt hamburger sandwich is
. EASICJILL. I &Muhl hope we have
bittRelered the point in this country
rffarlifffeeir rich people would aspire
- feelehrtive or executive cake.
Jai: GIROS& This is not exactly a
mieslion et aspiration. The question is,
Ogee the eintimean see are front run-
wee tin the peaks' sane that has to
shout the meter of taking
eignel Windt in the interim from No-
gillible.erriff Um next January 201
.1111e.PASCIILL. 2 am not ready to an-
but my 7-year-old son aspires
*Hui ?See and I would like to think
thst someday the mete ct the transition
would be paid by the Government, as
they- Might to be, and he would not be
required to go around and see his Mende
? and cronies-in order to take care of those
col*
The CHAIRMAN. The One of the
gentleman from Iowa has expired.
Mr. ANDERSON. Mr. Chairman, I
yield 5 additional minutes to the gentle-
man from Iowa.
Mr. GROSS. Let me ask about this
business of the General Service Admin-
istrator designating the President and
the Vice President. Does the gentleman
think this is a good precedent to set,
that the General Services Administrator
pick the President and Vice President
after an election?
Mr. PASCELL. Of course. the law does
not give the Administrator that author-
ity. He does not pick them. He does,
In carrying out the administrative func-
tions under this act, make selection of
the apparent winner. But this is not a
question, I might add to the gentleman
from Iowa, because in Public Law 87-
829, froM which the language in the
pending legislation was taken, we have
used that language in providing for the
protection of the President-elect and the
Vice-President-elect in the event of harm
or injury, and so forth. The Secret
Service and the Secretary of the Treas-
ury have had absolutely no difficulty in
determining who the President-elect or
the Vice-President-elect might be. so far
as carrying out the administrative du-
ties under that law is concerned. There-
fore, I do not see why the General Serv-
ices Administrator should have any'diffi-
culty under the pending legislation.
Mr. GROSS. We apparently have
situation growing up in certain States
of the Union whereby there may be in-
dependent electors. Does not the gentle-
man think that those designated as
President and Vice President by the pres-
ent Administrator of General Services
would be given psychological and other
advantages * designating them as Pres-
ident and Vice President?
Mr. PASCELL. I do not think so, be-
cause if they were unable at the time
to determine the suctessful candidates,
this act would not be operative. There-
fore, in a close contest, the Administrator
simply would not make the decision.
Mr. GROSS. But that provision of
the la* makes no exception, does it? It
says that the Administrator shell do thus
and so.
Mr. PASCELL. Only if he can de-
termine the apparent successful candi-
data
Mr. GROSS. It says he shall make
the detezmination, does it not? Let me
read from the bill:
The terms "President-elect" and "Vice-
President-elect" As used in this act shall
mean such persons as are the apparent sue-
easeful candidates for the Moe at President
and Tice President. respectively, as seder-
trailed by the Administrator.
There is not much gnesiton about that
language; is there?
Mr. PASCELL. There is nothing in
the act that requires the Administrator
to make ? decision which in his own
judgment he could not make. If he
could not determine the apparent suc-
cessful candidate, he would not author-
ize the expenditure of funds to anyone:
and he should not.
Mr. GROSS. Well, it could be who-
ever he thought was the apparent win-
ner, is not thatcorrect?
Mr. PASCELL. It could be?yes. '
Mr. GROSS. Yes. of course, that is
all the authority he needs?whoever he
thinks is the apparent winner?that is
all?without waiting for the college of
electors to meet and cast the official bal-
lots as provided for in the Constitution.
Mr. FASCELL. I would suggest to the
gentleman this kind of discretion has
been placed in many public officials.
The Secretary of the Treasury under the
previous law is one of those who has been
given specific authority with the exact
language we are talking about in the
pending legislation. He has not had any
problem in protecting the life of the
Vice President and President-elect. I
do not see any great big problem in the
Administrator of the General Services
Administration being unduly involved in
July f
the matter of determining who is
apparent winner in order to Perform,
ministerial functions under this en
the whole history of the country,
have had only three close elections
I do not think there is any great
lem. The gentleman Previously
out in the last election we had one
was as close as we would went to
an election and nobody bad any
In deciding who was the apparent
Mr. GROSS. Let me ask the
man this question which Intrigues ma
connection with the political aspects'
this thine. The last sentence of the
port on page 12 reads:
Snactment of these proposals-.
Says President John P. Kennedy?
win go a long way to improve the political
climate.
What political climate is being
proved big this legislation?
Mr. PASCELL. I think that hes
ready been referred to by apes-
have preceded me. Mink the
climate can be veer,. very =Mb
by not having the President-else
the Vice-President-elect of these
States calling on his friends and
who might be interested to Pay the
of him rillenning office in tab, the
apt country in the world. It just
not seem proper and ileeerriary to
them going around begging fog meal
Par for to. cost al what ought to
legitimate mats of Government, and
Is whin I think he mans by
the political dims*
Dlr. OltOSS. I say mein. I de not
anyone on the hereon of
candidates who needs this
and $1.300.000 it would Os out et
taxpayers. I know at not a
potential presidential essididate
who is going to worry she* whore
next sandwich is coming from. -I de all
think any of than Will have to
town with a tin cup in heel 10,11
money to sustain hinueff In the
between the day of election and
auguration. I do see mole
who are getting tired of being fleeced
purposes of this kind.
The CHAIRMAN. The time of
gentleman from Iowa has expired.
Mr. PASCELL, Mr. Chairman.
yield 5 minutes to the gentleman
New Jersey Mfr. Jorssowl.
Mfr. JOELSON addressed the
mittee. His remarks will appear het,-
after in the Appendix.]
Mr. ANDERSON. Mr. Chairman;
have no further requests for time. I
reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. PASCELL. Mr. Chairman, I yield
myself such time as I may consume.
(Mr. FASCELL asked and was given
permission to revise and extend his re-
marks.)
Mr. HALEY. Mr. Chairman, will the
gentleman yield?
Mr. FASCELL. I yield to the gentle-
man.
Mr. HALEY. I wish the gentleman hi
charge of handling the bill at this Unit
would give to the members of the coot-
mittee a little explanation of when under
the terms of this bill a person becomes
the President or Vice-President-elect.
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I notice that these funds can be used
immediately after the general election
in November. But how would this sit-
uation work, for instance, if the Presi-
dent or, at least, before the determina-
tion of the votes in the electoral college,
suppose that some person was, say, three
or four votes shy? How would this Ad-
ministrator determine who was in a posi-
tion to expend these funds?
The roman I ask this is because in
my humble opinion a person does not
WOW the President or President-elect
Magi after the Congress has had an op-
POMUMt9 to examine the ballots cast in
tb? MetWoral college. Only at that
NOM when that determination has been
MOO
he the House of Representatives
thee a Mon biome the President-elect.
PAWL. I would say to my Ws-
Vioggilluid colleagues, the gentleman
Rae Merida (Mr. ILuowl , that the
absolutely right in a tech-
withtAj=in respect to the determi-
^ of the election of the President
O191 the Vies President.
The Pending legislation does not seek
111 inething about it or change it in
VINP. and we are not directly ?ou-
tlined with the question of election,
netheinalen.er the inauguration, for that
ISPAN. bat we do provide under this
=biallatices, as we have provided
NS eaogreadonal actions, the
WM
of the Administrator to determine
Ileada then be spent for certain
sinew auppees. and other things for
anblessilt of the President-elect and the
illawlerthelent-elect.
Ph* kingesse in this bill defines those
WEIS bre lbsparPeass of this act.
'dmageL liarapaph (o), is the fol-
iage* MEOW:
vrieitisisetsems "Preddent-eseet" and
.r
tether as used in this AM
IA Mesa earth pontos as are the apparent
Milmnishil candalses ter the once of prod-
Ora sug Vise Praddint, respectively, se a.-
by tho Administrator following the
glingal data.= Mid to determine the elec-
ting et Pregideat and Vice President in ac-
with tine 11, United States Code,
Millins 1 and I.
? 'Ilds eist and the Administrator could
^ ims way, in say way, affect the elec-
... of the etheessfd candidate. The
Ode *skim the Administrator can
mete le who is the encessful candidate?
wpm* sueesedul candidate?for the
Parmses
of this particular act in order
to make ths services provided by this
. est available to them. And, if there Is
any doubt in his mind and if he cannot
or dem not designate the apparently
serneeseul candidate, then the act is 1n-
ennzieve. Be cannot do anything.
Than will be no services provided and
no maw expended.
Mr. HALEY, Mr. Chairman, will the
gentlernan yield further?
Mr. "%WELL. Certainly. ?
Mr. HALEY Do I understand the law
to be that an elector in the electoral col-
lege?that actually there is no war to
twee bias to vote for the man or even
the Party of which he has held himself
cot to the people as being in favot of?
The only time that you can thoroughly
determine that is when the tabulation of
tbe electoral college is made by the House
PePresentatives. So when this ad-
ministrator determines who seemingly
is the President-elect and the Vice-
President-elect, he has no assurance that
the people elected to the electoral college
will vote in accordance with the public
stand which they took. That is the thing
which worries me. I want my colleague,
the gentleman from Florida [Mr. Res-
ent], to understand that I am not op-
posing this legislation. But this lan-
guage does disturb me.
Mr. FASCML. I cfin appreciate m9
distinguished colleague's feelings on it,
and all I can say Is I agree with him
about the possibilities that he has out-
lined with respect to the electoral col-
lege. I think it is an archaic system, and
I will tell the gentleman right now that
I will Join the gentleman from Florida
(Mr. }LILLY] in any reasonable modifica-
tion by either representational Propor-
tion or by direct public vote, to elimi-
nate the possibility that the gentleman
very properly has described.
The present electoral system is a prob-
lem and I think we ought to meet its
modification head on in this Congress
and I hope we will. All I can say to
the gentleman is that his analysis is
absolutely correct. However, in a pre-
vious law we have used the same kind of
authority, the same kind of language
and we have bad no problem. In the
whole history of the United States there
have only been three close such situa-
tions. It is an unlikely proposition, but
If it were to happen, if the administrator
had any question in his mind, he *nib
would not make any designation In order
to make the services available as pro-
vided by the act If as an intelligent
human being and he hes a doubt, he
would not act until a decision has been
made in the electoral college or in the
Congress.
Mr. KUNKEL. Mr. Chairman, will
the gentleman yield?
Mr. PASCELL. I yield to the gentle-
man from Pennsylvania.
Mr. SUNKEL. I am in favor of the
principle of this bill, but there is oils
thing that puzzles me. In 1952 It cost
$250,000, in 1960 it cost $360,000. Yet
this bill authorizes $1.3 million. It seems
to me that around $600,000 or $650,000
ought to be absolutely stricken from the
bill.
Mr. PASCELL. The gentleman has
raised an interesting question, but the
figures to which he refers, the small fig-
ures of several hundred thousand dol-
lars, were the expenses taken care of
by the national committees.
Mr. KUNKEL,. The figures were
$250,000 and $360,000.
Mr. PASCELL. The two figures to
which the gentleman refers are the ex-
penses which were testified to and dis-
cussed on the floor here as having been
paid by the respective political national
committees. They did not include all
the other expenses which were not paid
by those committees. They did not in-
clude the personal costs and the other
expenses. The best estimate we could
get from the Bureau of the Budget was
about the amount of the authorization
figure that we have in this bin.
Mr. KUNKEL. I thank the gentle-
man.
?
Mr. FASCELL. Mr. Chairinall.
4638 has been reported unanimously 10 ?
the House by the Committee on Govern-
ment Operations. It was introduced by
me to carry out a recommendation made
to the congress by President Kennedy
on May 29, 1962, submitted along with ?
certain other proposals dealing with the
financing of Presidential election cam-
paigns. These proposals, including that
contained in this bill, resulted from a
study and report prepared by the Pres-
ident's Commission on Campaign Costa,
The Commission was made up of dis-
tinguished members of both parties?see
list on page 9 of committee report,.
In essence. the purpose of this bill is
to promote the orderly transfer of Knee-
utive power when there is a Menge Of.
administration in -our Padang Govern- -
merit by providing certain mesas and.
facilities such as Wks thaw 00epense6: ?
tion for staff personnel and_eileirte: ?
travel expenses, telethelth. ssilliried ? -
postage and printing to Presidents-eked
and Vice-Preddents-elect -during. Nis
period of time from their adoption to_the*
inauguration. These services and_slek*,
ities are to be paid from POI* skiediff
It also authorises that.sividels
(unities for outgoing Presidio* Ia.
Presidents be provided for 41. ',-
after the expiration of task Wm, Of OP;
Ace in order that they truse siked PP *OF
affairs.
It was estimated by the Ceesisted5.
that during the transition=bthewitroit ?
the election of President
his inauguration expenses.
his preparations to take dace
more than $200,000 ant me
a special Republican committee
similar period 'prior. to P1aids.
nodes inauguration sae
his preparations to take Mee leialetegv,
least $310.000 which wartime= hY
Democratic National Cceinsitise ? Iddie
were not by any MN= the- toed
during these two periods begansenteed ?
Menses were paid out of the poeketsid -
the Presidents-elect and their eisielaisle._,
The President's Conunission ? and "Me e
Committee on Government. Opsistiame
agree that these exPensee AleIRKInkk ?
part of the operation of vier Faded
ment and should be deiroPrilikid far
other Government enemy. . ;
I need net remind my colleague"
-
the House of the complain" of Our WIN-
ernmental processes and the lomitele
knowledge that must be quickly writhed
by anew President and his close
dates on their accession to power
the tremendously Important dechiont:
that must be made. It la true thet
the pest the transfer of oboe from dna
administration to the other has been
accomplished without serious dffOsUltir.
But this need not always be so and it
Is the better part of wisdom for us to
provide for the transfer for all time
to come in an orderly and systematic
manner.
The bill also providem for an orderly - ?
exit of Presidents and Vice Presidents
and makes provisions--st the melee of
the Government?for them to wind Mu
their affairs. Heretofore, this has been
done on a rather haphazard basis with
some expense to the individuals involved.
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Corininly. the dtgnite of the etheee held.
-airing with the vast accumulation of per-
sona papaya and effects, require this
additional service. You recall, of course,
that moral years ago the Congress ea-
rning isighintlon- giving a permanent
? ? eekteri mini. and oillce Mace to former
Preeklento-net of August 25, 1958. This
win not ha effected be our bill. exoept
Mist the services and facilities provided
atiburadaing legislation would be poet?
Dollefiter exanatlis under the operation
08.11131.4811k.
? Thwasisiniase added to the bill a
IhaltedIen mr expenditures of 21,200,000
Stir alleges litirPoses of the bill In
.4110$11100.Sleht. ? gbh memo a resanable
1111009 gemadaring both booming and
0111110128,finedilents. and Vice Presidents
?ifielionpir Mused an the but estimates
?shiRellikainta Of course, the specific
*Rid* MP 100 aegrainiated In any year
ybofcrs thei *MVO-
11.1.11.186011111080181.
ear hearings, a questa= was
, Milielfiganah the penal* senstruction of
..111M1INNAIngtet the MU to enable travel
tovidt the President-
IINCIPlerriesider4eiset bg these
INIeMikbig a lob or an office on
gen To make certain
wad not be paid the
On the bin contains
?erillietresent:
enreantseb Intentlon- that the
dailithe tit the Peesident-thiet
=00 act be used
sesta cd'olloessek-
Aldan gibe wen Meat on their own
-anew would not prevent the
from inviting Persons to
or consultation
Amnsportalen costs.
monde for a modest W-
in -Oomenment Menem that
?biree been paid ent of the
private individuals or from
'of political parties. I be-
lie* leashed - a point today,
-101111bletialithier Ws can many reeramise
Ilia time potential good to be achieved
? ingillberisith the potential dangers that
gnat bur evaded certainly outweigh this
glidllieseallagense.
' AR. MN has been apposed and en-
- dawn kr the Republican National Com-
? antes and the Democratic National
Cematittee. I understand that the Pres-
, Mint's Camminplon consulted our three
Marna Presidents and they have likewise
isidorsed the general proposal contained
Olebill
-I We that the House will overwhelm-
vote to enact this legislation.
O. PAEICZLL asked and was given
persisted= to revise and extend his re-
marks.)
The CHAIRMAN. There being no
"further requests for time. the Clerk will
read the bill for amendment.
The Clerk read as follows:
de it enacted by the Senate and Rouse of
Beprearistatives of the United States of
Anterlos in Congress assembled. That this
Act may be cited as the "Presidential Transi-
thm Act of 1065.^
PORPOISE OV VMS ACT
' .110. 2. The Cowers declares it to be the
linimeme or this Act to promote the orderly
Miteffer or the executive power in connec-
tion with the =piratic:Set the term of cthae
of a President and the inanimation of a new
President. The national Merest reqUiree
that such transitions in the oak* of President
be accomplished so as to assure continuity
In the faithful execution of the laws and In
the conduct of the affairs at the Federal Gov-
ernment both domestic and foreign. Any
disruption occasioned by the transfer of the
executive power could produce results detri-
mental to the safety and well-being of the
United States and its people. Accordingly.
it is the intent of the Congress that appro-
priate actions be authorised and taken to
avoid or minimise any disruption. In addi-
tion to the specific provisions contained in
this An directed toward that purpose, it is
the intent of the Congress that all officers at
the Government so conduct the affairs of the
Government for which they exercise respon-
sibility and authority as (1) to be mindful
Of problems occasioned by transitions in the
office ot President (il) to take appropriate
lawful steps to avoid or minimise disruptions
that might be occasioned by the transfer of
the executive power, and (9) (Abend*, to
promote orderly tranaltans in the ?Moe of
President.
IMINIORS ANIS sTACILSTISS ANITIORDSZO ND IR
memo so ruenearrs-sencr ens um-
PRVIDDIDITS.ELICE
inc. 5. (a) The Administrator of General
Services, referred to hereafter in this Act as
"the Adzeinistrator," is authorised to pro-
vide, upon request, to each President-010ot
and each elm-President-elect, for use in
connection with his preparations for the as-
lampoon at onicial duties as President or
Vice President necessary services and Moil-
Med
(1) Suitable Suitable oMoe space appropriately
equipped with furniture, furnishings, ornot
machines and equipment, and ?Moe supplied
as determined by the Administrator. after
consultation with the President-elect, the
Vlos-Prepident-elect, or their designee pro-
vided for in subsection (5) of this section.
at sUch place or please within the United
States as the Presldhat-elect or Vice-Presi-
dent-elect shall designate;
(2) Payment of the compensation of
members of oglos staffs designated by the
President-elect or Vies-President-elect at
rates determined by them not to exceed the
rate provided by the Chusilloation Act or
me, as amended, for paste 08-19: Protested,
That any employee of any agency of any
branch at the Government may be detailed
to such staffs on a reimbursable or nonre-
imbursable beats with the consent of the
head Of the agency; and while so detailed
such employee shall be responsible only to
the President-elect or Vice-President-elect
for the performance of his duties: Provided
$11TVIST, That any employee so detailed shall
continue to receive the compensation pro-
vided pursuant to law for his regular em-
ployment. and shall retain the rights and
privileges of such employment without in-
terruption. Notwithstanding any other law,
persons receiving compensation as members
of odice staffs under this subsection, other
than those detailed from agencies, shall not
be held or considered to be employees of the
Federal Government;
(3) Payment Of expenses for the procure-
ment of services.of experts or consultants or
organizations thereof for the President-elect
or Vice-President-elect, as authorized for
the head of any department by section 15 of
the Administrative Expenses Act of 1946, as
amended (5 55a), at rates not to ex-
ceed 11100 per diem for individuals;
(4) Payment of travel expenses and sub-
sistence allowances for members of office
staffs or other assistants. including experts
or consultants, designated by the President-
elect or Vice-President-elect, as authorized
for persona employed intermittently or for
persons serving without compensation by
section 5 of the Administrative Expenses Act
July 25
of 1948, as amended (5 U.S.C.13b4), as may
be appropriate;
(5) Communications services found nee,
essary by the President-elect or Vice-Prea.
dent-elect;
(6) Payment of -expenses tor necessity
printing and, binding, notwithstanding
provision at law welled in title et,
Ststes Code, or any regulation promulgatet
thereunder;
(7) Reimbursement to the postal revenues,
in amounts equivalent to the postage that
would otherwise be payable on mail matter
referred to in subsection (ay ire eft
(b) The Administrator man amend
funds for the provision of services and
ditties under this Ace in scaneetion
any obligations incurred by the
elect or vies-Presidees-aspes. bane the
following the date of the general
held to determine the electors of
and Vice President In acaordanos with tildi
11; United Mateo Code, mittens' read 2, or
after the inauguration of the
as President and the inauguration et
Vies-President-elect as wise enemas.
(e) The been "FirolkienSoNsor.
"viee-prssid?aa4deet" RD ma in- gar
shall mean such pawns as an the
successful candidates tor Ms ease of
dent and vice mends" reigenhay,
ascertained by the Administrator
the sesurai eleettiss held to thesenithe
electron of President and Wiles ?Pessidela-
accordance with WM d gated mane
sectional and 2.
(d) Mach Presidant-alseifidad be
to conveyanae within the gaited maim
its tenitorisa and permesions tree of
of all mail motor aunt by him In
with
his prepositions tot OM annnopOod
official dome as ilreatiend lath said .
matter shall be niesemitted ea gnaw
as provided in title 90,12idelitallidelt
eectien 4111. dadi
shall be sallied to acemayeass maids
United States and its territoelet and
dons free of postale ci all mail nowt
by hint under his written. antegraph *MP
tore in connection with his theparstant
the sertunptiOn 01 Ads, dense as
President.
(e) Mich Prosidenteffest and Vide
dent-elect may designate to the .
trator an andstant *Whatnot to mete
his Walt snob dalmatians et !tidings
necessity as may be required In
with the services and facilities to be
under this Act. Not more than 90 per MO,
tuns of the total sepeeditutes nadir this AM
for any President-elect or Moe-
elect may he made upon the beefs of s see.
=este by him or the seeldent designated by.
him pursuant to this section that such et-
penMtures are confidential and that they"
accord with the provisions of subsectione
(a), (b), and (d) of eh section.
(I') In the cow where tits Prosident-ilest
Is the incumbent President or in the cow
where the Vioe-President-eleot is the ineasa.
bent Vice President, there shall ,be no ste,?
penditures of funds for the provision of serv-
ice. and facilities to such incumbent under
this Act, and any funds appropriated Mr
such purposes shall be returned to the gen-
eral funds of the Treasury.
BERMES AND VALIUM! ADTHOSITXD TO 12
PROVIDED TO PORDE= PIDNIIDINTS AND POSNER
VICE PRESIDENTS
Sec. 4. The Administrator is authorized to
provide, upon request, to each former Presi-
dent and each former Vice President, for ?
period not to exceed six months from the
date of the expiration of his term of cake as
President or Vice President, for use in con-
nection with winding up the affairs of his
office, necessary services and facilities of the
same general character as authorized by this
Act to be provided to Presidents-elect and
Vice-Presidents-elect and as authorised by
the Act of August 25, 1958 (72 Stat. 838;
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?vs.c. 102, note). and such services and
bemire shall be in addition to those au-
marred by the latter Act.
?111150118?11011 Of APPIOMATIONS
Bec. 6. There are hereby authorised to be
appropriated to the Administrator such
funds as may be necessary for carrying out
the pUrposes of this Act. The President
shall include In the budget transmitted to
the Congress, for each fiscal year in which
his regular term of olio, will expire, ? pro-
posed appropriation for carrying out the pur-
poses of this Act.
The CHAIRMAN. The Clerk will re-
port the first committee amendment:
The Clerk read as follows:
Oemmittas amendment: Page 4, line 5,
agar "Government" insert "except for pur-
poses of libe Olvii Service Retirement Act.
the Jidda 'Improver' Compensation Act
die Ifilderal Intployees' Group Life Insurance
Ad et 1954, and the Federal impkiyees
Resift Reneate Ace of 1960;".
The committee amendment was
ivied to.
?
The =AIRMAN. The Clerk will re-
Peet the next committee amendment
The Clerk read as follows:
Ciamaittee agsaement: Page 4, Una 17,
stribe eat Uses 17 to M. Inclusive and insert
the following:
"(4) Payment of travel reponoss and sub-
sistence snowiness. including rental of Gov-
Mardielit or Jibed =Oka vehicles, found
=.41:01. lbs Preeinent-eIeet or glos-
sa autboriaed for parsons
tatermilitently or ice pawns san-
ds tb0ut ampeamtion by section 5 of
the Administrative Lomas, Act of 1946, ae
suituded (5 U.S.C. 73b-5), as may be ap-
110101kitd".
ISA GRAMM Mr. Chairman, I move
10 strike the teat word.
? . (Mr. GROSS asked and was given
' Pemniesket to resin antl extend his re-
'Kr. MOW. fir. Chairman, I take
MI time to a* a few more questions.
Coons* gentleman from Florida tell me,
If he will, please, haw many $100-a-day
gossultants it is expected win be em-
AND to take care of the incoming
Roliglant and Vim President in 1964?
?Ain ?AWOL. I may my to the gen-
, from We whatever the Prad-
? Er
ean subittentiate hr- his budget re-
sat whatever be can get out of the
Committee OD Appropriations and what-
ever may be neceesery or required within
ths linritation of the authorisation un-
der Ws act.
- ' Mr. GROSS. It is wide open insofar
m this bill is concerned and insofar as
the committee is concerned, that is, the
Committee on Government Operations?
Mr. FASCISM. No, I would not say it
II wide open at all. We do have a limit
au the authorisation and we do follow
the normal appropriation Procedure.
Mr. GROSS. Mr. Chairman, can the
gentleman ten me how many Cadillacs
will be hired or leased to take care of
the incoming President and Vice Presi-
dent?
Mr. FASCELL. I would say to the dis-
tinguished gentleman from Iowa I would
hope we would not need any more.
? Mr. GROSS. Any more?
Mr. FASCELL. Yee, sir.
' Mr. GROSS. Those we provide today
are an in use?
-
Mr. FASCELL. That is what I mean.
Mr. GROSS. Then it will take some
additional limoslnes, will it not?
Mr. FASCELL. Maybe we can get by
with Fords.
Mr. GROSS. With regard to this busi-
ness of the 20 percent that can be spent
from the 61,300.000 without accounting
to anyone, or am I correct in saying that
this can be spent without any account-
ing whatever?
Mr. FASCELL. It has to be on a Presi-
dential certificate, yes,
Mr. GROSS. But it is of an unac-
countable nature, that is, they make no
accounting to anyone for it?
Mr. FASCELL. That Is true. It is a
provision we have had since time im-
memorial in appropriation acts with re-
spect to Presidential requests.
Mr. GROSS. Yes. Now, this 20 per-
cent, none of that will go to the outgoing
President in 1984, will it?
Mr. PASCELL. No.
Mr. GROSS. The 20 percent will be
spent by both the President and the Vice
President?
Mr. PASCELL. It will be spent, not
more than 20 percent of the total ex-
penditures, for the President-elect and
Vice-President-elect.
Mr. GROSS. Is that 20 percent each,
or 20 percent for both?
Mr. FASCELL. It Is the total applying
to both.
Mr. GROSS. The total of 20 percent
applies to both. Then each can spend 10
Percent on his own amounting, if he so
wishes?
Mr. FASCELL. Whatever arrange-
ments are made, within the limitation.
We have felt that a limitation was nec-
essary and that is the reason why we
wrote it into the act. However, I might
say to the gentleman in the appropri-
ation praxes, if it Is felt that some other
accounting procedure or limitation is
necessary, that can be done.
Mr. GROSS. In addition to the auto-
mobiles, does the gentleman think there
will be any helicopters or Jot 707's Pro-
vided for the incoming President and
Vice President in 1964?
Mr. PASCILL. Not by this act, I
might say to the gentleman from Iowa, I
assume that if the Incumbent President
will extend the hospitalitY of his own con-
veniences, as he probably will, It would be
helpful to the President-elect.
Mr. GROSS. I notice the gentleman
was speaking of the incumbent President.
Perhaps I do not read enough, or some-
thing, but I notice In the report it states
that in 1952 President Truman sent some
kind of a message to President Eisen-
hower. I was not aware that Truman
and Eisenhower were exchanging mes-
sages shortly after the election in 1952,
but apparently according to your report
they did exchange at least one message.
So the gentleman thinks the most amica-
ble relations would exist and all facilities
Is. 1984 that the President can prop-
erly give to the incoming new President
will be available to him?
Mr. FASCELL. I would certainly
hope so, and I would hate 10 think other-
wise. I think the gentleman will agree.
Let me say I do not agree with the
gentleman when he says he does not read
enough because, having had the
and pleasure of serving on the
tee on Foreign Affairs with him, I would
say that probably the gentleman from
Iowa is one of the best read Members of
Congress, and probably reads too much.
Mr. GROSS. I would have to recipro-
cate and say that I am afraid the gentle-
man from Florida read some of the
amendments I have had to offer too well.
I am talldng about some of the amend-
ments to cut pretty deeply into the fir-
sign giveaway program. I am afraid the
gentleman from Florida read some of
those amendments too well.
Mr. FASCELL. I must sayI have been
taught something now that the gentle-
man from Iowa has been on the eammit-r
tee. I have been very careful and eau.
tious not only to listen to what he ISIII.
but to read everything he offers. ,
The CHAIRMAN. The time- of UM
gentleman from Iowa has mired.
The question is on the oommittee
amendment.
The amendment was agreed to.
?
The CHAIRMAN. The Oak willi ev.
port the next committee entendiesent -*
The Clerk read as follows:
nanunitte? amendment: ?I L
strike out lines 10,11. 12 end tate
owl
NO Payment of expenses he
printing and binding. nee.
Act of January 12, MC ang the
March 1, um. se 'menses (44 URA /16
The committee aineit4ese4 wow
to.
?
The CHAIRMAN. The Clerk
port the next committee
The Clerk reed as follow
committee ameatiment: Woos u
strike out -free of postage end
-matter," "including airmail.".
The committee amendment woo
to.
The CHAIRMAN. The ateltwillt
port the next cootadttoo otalmiumatw,
The Clot read as follows: e
Committee amendment: Pase
strike out "free of postege" end 25 beetil
Int Immediately after "Matter,*
airmail,".
The committee smendesent
to.
? ?
The CHAIRMAN. The Clerk will so-
Port the next committee 11118Mimmigi 4"
The Clerk read as follows: ,
Committer amendment: Page 8, line
seri a period after "Vlee-Preeidente-elaer:
strike out all that follows dollen through oat
including the period on lines, and lased In
lieu thereof the following: "Any purism op-
pointed or detailed to serve a farmer Freak-
dent or former Vice Prudent ender author-
ity of this section shall be appointed or
detailed in accordance wIth, and shall be ink-
pict to, an of the provisions of section S ci
this Act applicable to persons appointed or
detailed under authority of that ireatilon.
The provisions of the Act of Anfiuld-15. SAIlk
(72 Stat. 838; 3 U.S.C. IN, nobs), mate
than subsections (a) and (e) shall not be-
come effective with respect to a kereer Prod-
dent until six months after the saptragan ci
his term of office as Preddent."
The committee amendment was agreed
to. ?
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The CHAIRMAN. The Clerk will re-
lent the nest. sommittee amendment:
Tbe Clink readas follows:
'SOMEOW amendment: Page it line 20,
linnesilatelY Wore the period Insert "but not
in seem& ek11011,000 for any one Mad year".
? Theoinuaittee' amendment was agreed
?I.__. (WM= ST MM. GIMPS
Ms. GROSS. Mr. Chairman, I offer
an
amendinent.
Thee:Sark read se follows:
AllIgIlifingentrifillgesit by Mr. Gaols: On page
I). Mike out Ilise 11 through 1111, including
the BgesielitAnOnes."
.=:11t Mr. Chairman, I think
I have offered will take
tdriloili ewe of this MR It simply
s sat the money. The gentleman
Rippe ?111* fair. litowirl suggested that
ipeohably offer an amendment
111,OSS or some such amount
$1.1100.000. I just want him
la Anon
that I do believe in economy
"rulititgt filleltdo a Bine bit better than
be
I holm he will join ate in
gaisionsinr. and I MUM
the emeutiment and
mem of Oh Mese of
messing to ante up $1.800.000.
:diehimile. no valid contention has
*SW blew inlay that ens Pond-
er this Government has suf-
'13.Absence of this legislation.
It iii Ill-Advised procedures and
eimsHiss.
lean record vote on final pas.
tbealstmOlibov that lam un-
to ik
Mr. Chairman,
epanin.teminm*th,I.atwont.
? X Ills in oPPoidtion to
Of course.
smatilatent would nullify the com-
Kirsitellateing the authorisation
Itise -funds to implement the bill. I
?ant ?arrest In seeing that the
an 130VerMilledi Operations
an this bill lad there was
lIPPOlitiell to the intent of
t Leen Understand if the gentle-
men* -fade* asessearry, se is his habit,
albe an aseendment to reduce ex-
Vendible* But I can hardly reconcile
Vhblative process with striking
tlitellit eitlnideMenthig section, section 8,
which would furnish the authorisation
for the funds to implement this bill.
- *The *lien of the committee was taken
after disonstrion with a ntmiber of wit-
flames who appeared before us including
the Arelstaut Seeretam of the Bureau of
the Budget% Mr. Stmts. It has the sp-
. galled id the agendas involved?the Bu-
reau Of the Budget. It seeks to do a
thing which I think is the laudable and
honorable thing to do. When a Prete-
doors term has ended and a new Presi-
dent is corning in there are a great num-
ber of responsibilities which the incom-
ing Preddent has to assume in order that
we may have a smooth transition of
Government from one administration to
the next. Heretofore this money has
mg* from many unofficial sources. I
Ilia not saying that anything Improper
bee resulted as the result of this infor-
arrangement. but it is the public
to have an orderly transition of
administrations regardless of whether it
may be a Democratic or a Republican
President that is coming into dace.
Any suspicion of a conflict of interest in
the donation of funds to affect this or-
derly transition should be removed.
If it casts hundreds of thousands of
dollars, and some testimony seems to in-
dicate more than a million dollars, for
the incoming President to properly Pre-
pare his staff to interview those people
that he wishes to appoint to Cabinet
positions, to take care of all the neces-
sary transportation, communication f a-
clinks and services that are necessary
to effectuate this smooth transition, why
should we not face up to this as the
orderly and honorable cost of the process
of Government and supply this money?
I can bring up a case within my own
personal knowledge. and I do not care to
name any names nor to indicate the Par-
ticular President's group that is in-
volved, but I know that there were serv-
ices rendered by a eertainmentleman who
was on the staff of an incoming former
President. Later on this gentleman tried
to subtract a 4-percent override on a de-
fense contract of a California contractor.
When this contractor came to me and
asked me what to do.! said:
You should make a statement under oath
to the proper oongrameional committee In re-
gard to this matter.
This gentleman did make a. stetement
to the proper congressional committee
and there was an investigation, by a
committee other than the Committee on
Government Operations, and the man
who bad been on the staff of that former
incoming President was compietely
die-
Credltedl I do not know whether he
wanted to extract the 4-percent over-
ride on tbat,defense contract because he
was on the staff of that incoming Presi-
dent and bad made certain contribu-
tions of services or money or not. I
could not state that. But! do say that
we should remove the opportunity for
Penile to come in and expend money
for the Purposes of a transition of Gov-
ernment and thereby-obtain a position
of advantage and favor in the eyes of
some people which might contribute to
their personal financial welfare there-
after.
So! say that the amendment offered
by the gentleman from Iowa should be
voted down. We should face up to our
responsibilities as legislators, recogniz-
ing the fact that there are expenses in-
volved in the transition from one ad-
ministration to another, and face those
responsibilities and provide for them.
The CHAIRMAN. The question is on
the amendment offered by the gentle-
man from Iowa.
The amendment was rejected.
The CHAIRMAN. Under the rule, the
Committee rises.
Accordingly, the Committee rose; and
the Speaker having resumed the chair,
Mr. GISMO, Chairman of the Committee
of the Whole House on the State of the
Union, reported that that Committee,
having had under consideration the bill
(HR. 4638) to promote the orderly trans-
fer of the Executive power in connection
with the expiration of the term of office
of a President and the inauguration of a
July SS
new President, Pursuant to Howe
lution 454, he reported the tell bark
the House with sundry am
adopted in Committee of the Whole.
The SPEAKER. Under the rule,
previous question is ordered.
Is a separate vote demanded on
amendment? It not, the Chair will
them en gros.
The question is on the amendments.
The amendments were agreed to.
The SPEAKER. The question is
the engrossment and third reading of
bill.
The bill was ordered to be
and read a third time and was read
third time.
The SPEASSR. The question is
the MOMS of the MIL
Mr. GROSS. Mr. $posksr. I ales
motion to reminmit.
The SPEAKER. laths gentled*
posed to the bM?
Mr. GROSS. Unqualifiedly and
reservedly, Mr. Speaker.
The MAKER. Tbs
qualifies. The Clerk win raped tbs.
non to recommit.
The Clerk read as follows:
Mr. Osess stomata seranaralt the bln.
QM. to the Nouse Committee ea
mint Operations with Me tollewing Wiens.
Mon: "Oa page a. strike out all et Mem
through 211."
The SPEAKER. Without
the previous question is ordered.
There was no objestkia.
The SPZAKER. Tim wised= b
the motion to resaminft.
The question was taken; mai
Speaker announeed that the uses
peered to have it.
Mr. GROSS. Mr. 13peaker. I dried
the vote on the ground that a quonue,
not present, and make the paint of
that a quorum is not preempt.
The &HAMM. Liddentir, a quenialt
is not presort.
The Doorkeeper will dem the
the Sergeant at Arms wfli.notify
Members, and the Clerk win call then*
The question was liken: and them
were?yeas 85, non MI, net voting IS,
as follows:
mon no. 1011
TZAS-110
Abele Jobansen illtegelni
Andrews Knox Tons
Baumann Lennon Via
Colmer ?Ilona' Whitten
Cunningham Pillion Williams
Grant Pool Wilson, Ind.
Gross Quillen Whistoed
Hall Rich Wydler
Henderson Wefts, S.O. Younger
Huddleston Bllsig
NAYS-848
Abbitt Bell Itrortd11, NM.
Adair Bennett. Pia. aroma. Va.
Addabbo Bennett. Mich, Brum
Albert Berry Burke
Alger Bette Buridialter
Anderson mined Burimon
Ashbrook Bolton. Burton
Ashmore Prances P. Berns, Pa,
Aspinall Bolton. Byrnes, WO,
Auchincloss Oliver?. Cahill
Ayres Bonner Cameron
Baker Brademas Cannon
Baldwin Bray Casey
Barrett Brook Chamberlain
Ban? Brolnirell Chelf
Baas Brooks Chenoweth
Bates Broomfield Clancy
Battin Brotwoan Clark
Becker Brown, Calif. Clausen.
Beckworth Brown, Ohio Don H.
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Norton We
Cisorson. ma Randall
Cleveland Howse
Hull Reid. Ill.
Condon
Hutchinson Reid, N.Y.
Colter Sella
Jarman e
cooler
Creseet &DAUM, RIMS
JellIell Rhodes. Arlo.
Carman
Joelson Rhodes, Pa.
Crasser
Johnson. Calif. Steinman
Curtin Johnson. Wis. Rivers. Alaska
Curtis
Jonas Roberts. Ala.
Dago*
MOM Jones, Ala. Roberta. Tex.
Dew Janet Mo. Robison
s
Dant Karsten Rodino
Denton Earth Rogers. 0010.
Detention Irwenmeier Rogers. Pla.
Verertadir Keith Rogers, Tax.
DOV/D11 Kilgore ROOMY
DIOR King, Calif. Rowevelt
Dingell King, N.Y. Rosenthal
Dole Encsynski Restenkovraki
Dwaine Montagu Roudebutia
Dorn Kunkel Roush
IMO 171 Resta
Downing laird Rumofeld
MOW Landrum Ryan. Mich.
Dwyer = Ryan. N.Y.
if St Germain
11111Werlegn
Edwards . latta W. Onge
Mott iwilliett Schadeberg
Nibirorth
Sc Schenck
Minn Monett Schneebell
Was UMW Seitireiker
ithen Lipsormils Sehwengsi
FarbstOn Lloyd Sweat
TWO Long. Md. Widen
= Melon
McDade *WM
Sheppard
2WWWIS ISeDowell Shipley
Theo Mellrail Short
MOW Matathe Sluing
Mel MaLookst Me
MIR allollShos Sickles
MS Meedsnold Bikes
= Macillivigor Sisk
Mahon Simblies
Mallthwit
Smith, OWL
Mr- ? .Ma Smith, OWL Smith, Va.
Ferna.Pa. Main Snyder
WM" TAW Matthew* 15Prindelf
May etestger
sereser Stafford
Mabel Staggers
Maw. Oalhr. Mese
Whilifts Stinson
Stratton
Mita Stubblefield
allibeala Ilabsgan MMus
Eic Minfeen Taft
More Talcott
Moorhead TAM?
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Morton
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Tupper
Mai& Nelson Ullman
Mem= Nix Van Dwells
lliwwis Warbled Vanik
Kamen O'Hara. IS. Van Pelt
tbsding 02sas, MMIL Vinson
Moe Mow Mont, Wailhaueor
Melo Olson, MM. Watts
Venison O'Neill Weaver
amita Comers Wenner
larrwi.ted. Osterlag Whalley
Noner. Mb. Postman Wharton
Raskin' Palm,.. White
Nels Patten Whitener
Maw Petty Wickersham
Nerthiar Parkins Widnall
Hemphill Philbin Willis
Mellow Packer Wilson, Bob
Woven Pima Wright
Holman Poe.ge Young
HoWleld Powell Zablocki
Rolland Price
Reran Put:Maki
NOT VOTING-60
Abernethy Boggs Conte
Wends Bolling Daddario
Maio Bow .. Davis, Os.
Avery Buckley Davis, Tenn.
Baring Corey Delaney
Maher (Wetter, Duncon
Ratan Cellar Fogarty
No. 113--3
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Forrester
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Grabowski
Hagan, Os.
Hebert
ictord
Kee
Kelly
Keogh
Kilburn
Kirwan
Long. Ls.
McCulloch
Madden
Martin, Maas.
Martin, MON.
MiklaUllaga
Miller. N Y.
Minsholl
Morse
O'Brien, Ill.
O'Brien, N.Y.
Pepper
Pike
Poe
Purcell
Rains
St. George
Saylor
Scott
Shelley
Smith. Iowa
Thompson. NJ.
Trimble
Waggonner
Watson
Westland
Wilson,
Charles IL
Wyman
So the motion to recommit was re-
jected.
The Clerk announced the following
pairs:
Mx. Hebert with Mr. Miller of New York.
Mr. Moth with Mr. Kilburn.
Mr. Buckley with Mr. Mends.
Mr. Trimble with Mr. Conte.
Mr. Pepper with Mrs. St. George.
Mr. Walley with Mr. Wyman.
Mr. O'Brien of Illinois with Mr. Martin of
Massachusetts.
Mr. Kirwan with M. Avery.
Mr. Pike with Mr. Bow.
Mr. Rains with Ur. McCulloch.
Mr. Grabowski with Mr. Morse.
Mrs. Kelly with Mr. Westland.
Mr. Waggonner with Mr. P.
Mr. Boggs with Mr. liOnshall.
Mr. Carey with Mr. Gederberg.
Mr. Caller with I. Belcher.
Mr. Delaney with Mx. Baylor.
Mr. Fogarty with Mr. Martin of Nebraska.
Mr. O'Brien of flhinole with Mr. Matounaga.
Mr. Daddario with Mr. Watson.
Mr. Ashley with Mr. !arrester.
Mr. Madden with Mr. Gill.
Mr. Duncan with Mrs. Kee.
Mr. BlatnIk with Mr. Baring.
Mr. Davis of Games with Mr. Scott.
Mr. Hagan of Georgia with Mr. Smith Of
Iowa.
Mr. DIMS Ornant4101111 with Mr. Charlie M.
Wilton.
Sir. Thompson of NSW Jersey with Mr.
Rimed.
Mr. Abernethy with Mr. Long of Louisiana.
HR. 6011. An act to modules kr
rary period the existing mosponskla at
on certain Mlle or Tampico NW.
The message also samouneed theit On
Senate agrees to the amendment the
House to a bill of the Senate of the fol-
lowing title:
S. 1112. An act relating to the caching. Of
certain lands between the town of Powell.
Wyo., and the Presbyterian Retirement
Facilities Corp.
The message also annotmeed that the
Senate insists upon its amendment to
the bill (H.R. 2513) entitled "An act to
amend the Tariff Art of 1.930 to require
certain new packages of imported ar-
ticles to be marked to indicate the
country of origin, and for other par.
poses," disagreed to by the Hewn; swum
to the conference asked by Mellow
the disagreeing votes of the two Houses
thereon. and *Anoints Mr. NM SI Vir-
ginia, Mr. Lone of latdekina. 1Sr.
Einsmants, Mr. W17.21MIN ci Mawr"
and MS. CAISSON to be the 011itereillg
the part of the Senate.
ADJOURNMENT OVER .
. .
Mr. ALBERT. Mr. amber. Ialb,
unanimous emenst that Whets
adjourns today, it adletell to Wilk
Monday neat.
The MEANER. Then
the request of the, un4haws/13M
home?
There was no objection.
JOINT IFFAIMMINT NT INNITININIM'
OOVNEINORN COMMUNION '
Ger. LAMM= gibed NM
permon to addrees the Sum
minute, to revise and extend
The result of the vote was announced mark,, and include estrancinis
as above recorded. Mr. LANDRUM. Mr. BMW.
The doors were opened. has come to My attention a Mad
neent issued by 14 southonsamosenees
the Governors' oontereneolust
r
leaders from the great seetIOnnt
tog at Mardi, Fla., in width eesil
South recognise the serious needier
reduction and tax velem - ?
tAttesbed he the Mint stalemeithls
statement at principles ? by tar.
Port n and Stuart T. esundera
other officers of the Bushel=
for Tax Reduction In 1963. ?
I commend this to the attsatket CitoI
Congress, because I think it appreprialn -
that the Congress take reeosnition CI
this statement and action by 14 aoullek
em Governors.
The joint statement to which I her.
referred is as follows:
Thomas . The SPEAKER. The question is on
Thompson, La. the Name of the bill.
Thomism% TIM The bill Was Passed.
Thomson. Wis. A motion to reconsider
manures,
the table.
was laid on
FURTHER MESSAGE FROM TM
SENATE
A further message frees the Senate by
Mr. McClown, one of it, clerks, an-
nounced that the Senate had passed
without amendment bills of the House of
the following titles:
HR. 2221. An act to provide for the free
entry of a mass spectrometer for the use at
Stanford University, Stanford, Calif.;
H.R. 2675. An act to extend for 3 years the
period during which certain tanning extracts,
and extracts of hemlock or eucalyptus suit-
able for use for tanning. may be imported
free of duty;
HR. 3272. An act to provide for the free
entry of an orthicon image assembly for the
use of the Medical College of Georgia,
Augusta, Ga.;
H.R. 3674. An sot to amend the Tariff Act
of 1930 to provide that polished sheets and
plates of iron or steel shall be subject to the
same duty as unpolished sheets and plates;
PLR. 5712. An act to outspend for ? tempo-
rary period the import duty on heptanolo
acid; and
?
?
Joint statement by the bellowing 1110111W
ben of the southern Governors 00112?11000:
-
Gov. Terry Sanford, of North Carolina; COL
Donald 13. Russell, of South Carolina; ROL
Carl N. Sanders, of Georgia; Roy. Oren
Pkubus, of Arkansas; Goy. Jahn A. Dalton, of
Miasouri; Gov. George C. Wallace, of Ala-
bama; Cloy. Ross A. Barnett. of liessessippn?
Gov. J. Millard Tawes, of Marnand: nov.?
Burt Coombe, of Kentucky Gov. William W.
Barron, of west Virginia: Ortv. Ferri, Bryant.
of Florida; Gov. John B. ()Dummy. at Team:
Gov. Prank G. Clement, of Tennewee; Golf.
Jimmy H. Dann of Louisiana.
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