OSS - REPORT ON THE ECONOMIC SITUATION IN GERMANY AND RUSSIA/ESTIMATE OF GERMAN AND RUSSIAN WAR PRODUCTION/MINUTES OF COMBINED INTELLIGENCE SUB-COMMITTEE MEETINGS , 1943

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• Document Creation Date: November 3, 2016
• Document Release Date: September 23, 2013
• Sequence Number: 8
• Publication Date: May 6, 1942
• Content Type: MISC

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Edward S. Mason
Th, meeting in devote to oonviderati
the attach0d memorandum) whioh I submitted Cm, eitlaf14-,,
our 3ritish coilengtaws had nothIng trevy
say on the subject. It untS ?x&d thnt V16 o
to prppare a combined paper on Niumslan rescco=do
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aritish intelligonc?t j'ildgroltEtitg of i*,110 tretfP4.71'..s,C thvnir
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doubts concerrtin, e COMMIE; prospects aro raisodo,
thnt if the. real:on:int;a1ii , tkpa C.m,tmn sittlAtift.g2.
ferred to the Russian the judpyqt must ttRtisgatk 11"11
?consuminc- her cavii? at an eaarming mtt exathat
scale of lilitary efr9rt tut htl aharay redlxced t tI10
Converve.Ly, if the roP.aonius ap?Ite,
transferpF-f, :ryirrim.n,y, it is, S'1.75.:rested timti ithq
t?-at the Cierman economy la in prt?tty vod ehaptIlt -
A few figures on th
which -tl-e Itussian and German econom4es aro thotA.
existins supplirfs oi iLdust.rial mteriA1a
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1)5004 Tiussian rttUi7 produation 13 de $0100a 4kt/ill' tat**
pre-war." 3ince thc, P1J,gian artillery' povitioll Uldn.14 foeC6K
zood 'termny it rilv 1.;erhapg vom-ofpd that Atioekain,
'auction 1veat as Gtrrnan. ammunitim pvoduotiow;'
ro6ah1y ont141raotory.4 It 1ttro nesull,v;d? thtit
sian production I definitoly' _test tilan tht 0Dmtu,
is describ4Di inadocoate and although 01,?'!,n'aq ts al!lo W140:'
be wk in motor tramport? we mcv asallm th41 "gua011111
jefinit,?Ly less. Takin4 armament product:ton da; a Ichato tOcol
ilritish papers convny the impression that Rusrlan produgt10), ir
not equal to (_;,-rman, Is not fr behind. ThfuT livroftlion
forced .E); sh %/twos of t4, Russian, battiv ordm-4., 4tdp:itiCati,
of divisions, analysie of bAttle acUonl ot.c.
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Colonel William 3.
Edward S. Mon
C,14.0. Sub-Committee MtietIng# 14t4t
The mentine, with tho Brittah Titan malA dlWottvd, to a dear43, '
con:Adoration Of the Combinod Intel.11gfmco attb-Comittee draft
Axis Intent:Lowy for 1%2. Tiveee rraljor differvituf4e4o, oplziOtt diS-v
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pe,go 1 conclorning the 'Likelihood el: A diroct eittztok
Isla They bAl LE?vn t nztt thi re SermtLOrtiLvinnocorMAY*?1_
woskons the evaluation. Eatitevnr) it is hittg'Icept
';oto lraft ffith Lho addiLion a the. ,roIlowiAe,vident$114*
mTho British view is Lnat there lo ao evidttoo. Of' impollsa*
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estimatty of the set-de of tho CAI Mail 1XttAZk ? Slab ettilltiallr It
comes doffn to this: the British view 1$ thast tot. mOrtt than'. ' -, -
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for offensive action 1.n Russia. The ilanorteaaltin* it t114
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the winter and that as many as 1001 intetaxtaiw 40.-40i s174.pc,..
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parti.;:rli 2 on rige 4 with S. SUMlitarY ate.ttc00*- ar th`
The Briti3h Ire of the opinion that a Iear ot4100c0, c_
.-jifferenee 5etwoen the Ameriemu %nd orittea ou LfliOflr ObY ?,,,,'
necessity of the pareflol statezeAta on p4kerlt 2, and ,,,1*
the American committee favored the cOnt.5.14=3c40 et,. -
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the severity of the German oil shorr,
Lu that stocks in Germany aro suffie
In 1942, during which tbe rate of-,,,O*44,
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need for oil strewed as mn ip,de the:'
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? THE JOINT BOARD
't1014t Intelligence Committee
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16 April 19112
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Subjet;t: BrItIsh J. T . C . in Washington.
1. The British J.I.C. in Wa
Its roster is gival below:
Chairnan
Vice Chairman
Roial Navy
ArmY
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Ur. Noel Hall
Mr. U. Y. Watson
Captain E.G.. Hastings
Comrnnder "1. S. Thomas
Colonel E. Cook
Msjor Archer cust
Groui Captain C.G.H. du Boulay
Flight Lieutenant W.R.B. Brash
Mr. r. R. Boyer rillar
$ly Anthony Rumbold
Vr. Noel Hall
Mr. M. Y. watson
Ur. ''':. 3. Stephenson
Ur D. P. Rouverie
Rt The 0,44 rpprtsentation of the six component services is de-
poxidA, no3:410-ty i:11 the aprointment of sub-committees to
vr5,-th theU.i.4.0441t 'Tntelligence Sub-Commi ttee in the Combined
-3:1-rtAllizowe 5NA.0.4,1)ofroittl-t.. io anticipated that normally the
relpkr?eowitlotiv- service will attend such meetings) as
r#Q4rod,4 Tb#
no PP6bor4 v6.11 aOt only as indicated in the
10.*Korandum V.,4e uoroba C1E.,Hr tedhurst, paragraphs 6-8 (J.I.
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LUDWELL L. MONTAGUE,
Lleutanant Colonel, G.S,C.
SecreToarY, J.I.C.
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COMBINED IIT.r,TLWENC11 TAPP'
Minutes of Mooti held in Podm,_100.4i
The Combined 0
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Captain Charlcs B. McVay, USN Captain T. C, T. WyMne, RN
in the Chair
Col. C. C. 3lakenoy, GSC
Mr. S. K. Hornbeck,
Dept. of State
Mr. Max Ways, B.E.W.
Mr. Richard Hartshorne, 0.5.5.
Lt. Col. E. G. Peeke, GSC
Comdr. Y. L. Abbott, USNR
Comdr. H. de B. Claiborne, USN
Lt. Col. Melvin Hall, GSC, (A.C.)
Major James K. Smith, (A.C.)
Mr. Emil Des-ores, O.S.S.
Lieut. ( jg) Roy B. Snapp
Croup Capt. G. G. C. DuBou
Lt. Col. E. B. Cock
SECRETARIAT
Major J. A. Da soz
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10 COLONEL COOK disoussed th, rtfootit it
on the Russo-German Front, i'vTOA MANIC 41**
developments botVoeft the UsgrZ4R0 atd th0 001*
COMMANDER ABBOTT d18ouslod tho ioxr AgaitiSt
Atlantic. GROUP CAPTAIN DUBOW( MuiridritOdct
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Lt. Col. Ludwell L. Montague, OSC
Comdr. H.L. Abbott, USNR
Mr. S.K. Hornbeck, Dept. of State
Mr. John Tibby, O.E.W.
Richard Hartshorne, OSS
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COLONEL COOK atia wnia. COM14ANDER towl- emito r
developments on the Russo-Oerman frott,, t -
viewed events in Sicily. Trends in antl-subtot
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discussed by CAPTAIN WILNNE and COMMANDM ASSOTt. MR. ,
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COLONEL BEDB suggested that inasmich as the ComblMd dhief ,
of Staff had directed the C.I.C. to make a coritinuitPt tItud7,0-, H A
the Axis oil position and as representatives Of th,is tn6t7 Oil ,
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Committee had recently returned from a conferanct,, vith iltIrtU H -
Committee in London, the time was opportuna ror a revtllort 4tt,-i0
C.I.C. papers on the subject.
THE COMMITTEE:-
Agreed with the suggestion and directed that repreOebetatiltd,
of the M.E.W. and the 0.E.1I/. should prod Yith the pro-
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1141RIOADIER KIRXMAN outlined his,vi,eug tiA t* pol 1
ill on A.'',4e Russo -German front during the summokat
2. GERMAN MANPOWER
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Col. Thomas D. Milling: G.S.C.
(A.C.) in the Chair
Captain Charles B. McVay,. U.S.N.
Col. C. C. Blakeney, G.S.C.
Mr. S. K. Hornbeck, Dept. of
Statc
Mr. E. S. Mason, Q.S.S.
Mr. C. B. Rayner, B.E.W.
Comdr. H. L. Abbott,
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Lt. Col. L. L. Montaguc? G.S.C.
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2. GERMAN MANPOWER_
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pared by a workinG committee should bt-t6dat'-
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Col. Thomas D. Milling, (3.3.C. Colonel B. J. M.Bobb
(A.C.) in the Clviir
Cnpt. T. C. T WYrtne,R.
Col. C. C. BlFikeney, G.3.0
Mr- 3. K. Hornbeck,
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Mr. E. S. M,!son, Mr. C. H. C. B'slam.L.
Lieut. Col. R. F. 5 :Zook
Mr. C. B. Rayner, B
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G.S.C. (A.C.)
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Lieut. (j..) R. B. Snano
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at its next meeting.
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MR, RAYNER stated that the Hartley oommittee had invited,
U. S. petroleum representatives to confert in London on the Is
Gil position and that the U. S. representatives expected to
leave ehortly.
3. GENERAL
The war situation in general was discussed,
reference to German submarines.
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BRITISV MOST SECR4T
Meetkaii
COMBINE INTELLIORN
Minutesf Me tt
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The dombined_Chiefg Stafr
PRESEVT,
Col. Thomas D. Milling, 0.S.C.
(A.C.) in the Chair
Col. C. C. Blakeney, G.S.C.
Comdr. H. L. Abbott, U.S.N..
Mr. S. K. Hornbeck, Dept. of
Stat::
Mr. E. S. Mnson, O.S.S.
Comdr. H. dc B. Olaiborne,
U.S.N.
Lieut. Col. MolvLn Hall,
G.S.C. (A.C.)
Major A. S. Buford
Ensign R. B. Snapp
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Major E. P. P. GageY
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MAJOR BUFORD stPted taint 0
the U.S. J.I.C. popor ready shor
2. GENERAL
GROUP CAPTAIN DuBOULAY airsulattd DUI -ga
the devastation of the Krupp works at n,Sset,;afta dIS-
air situation in Europe.rind North Africa. ' AMOR GA0g ropo
on recent developments on the llusstan Propittind Ln Turligte
COLO BLAKENEY reported on thel eround ottaation ata cbtaym
HALL on the Fur s1tuat1on in the Southwest noinc.
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COMBIM
Minut. of MeotisLi.
ThellatAqiefZ of BtaV
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Col. Thomas D. Milling,
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Blkikony,
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Mr. K. Hornbeck, Dept. of
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Inasmuch as the U.
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meeting to be held April 26. 1943.
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2. GENERAL
There bein no further buziness p9ady to come beIMPV, th#
Committee, the Civlirman opened the MeetLnt, to a genorna dIsdug84;
COLONEL COOK rer.orted .Dn the Snttle Order of the VOitatil,
Axis in France, RussiE, and Tunl3ia4 ? t,mtlOtti rtollm#
of the rIctions of the BitIsh Eltith Army from Mt111 15 tt-Aval
15, 1943. COLONEL BLAKENEY dL3cussol ';he comparattve Itrep06
of the United N(ItirJns and the Axis in the aria or Ow TunlAtam
bridgehead. GROUP CAPTAIN DUBOULAY outlined the comparattvot
strencths of the Unit4A Nationo and the AXIs la North, Atrladl,,
CAPTAIN HASTINGS described some of the difficulties vivalvoid
any attemoted evacuation by the Axis of their forces in Tual11.44.
COMMANDER ABBOTT reported (Al the submarine s tu jOt mth
Atlantic, t:Lnd D. HORNBECK talscus2.ed the Dollticsl and ec=omIe
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COMDIITO I1FLL 1Ng
Minutes g mootia, ho14
The Combined Chierk or Llb,
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PRESE3T
Col. Thomas D. Milling, G.S.C.
(A.C.), in the Chair
Col. C. C. Blakeney, G.S.C.
Comdr. H. L. Abbott, U.S.N.R.
Mr. S. K. Hornbeck, Dept. of
State
Mr. Chandler Mcrae, 0.5.5.
Comdr. W. T. Kenny,
U.S.N.
Comdr. H. de B. Claiborne, U.S.N.
Lieut. Col. Melvin Hall, G.S.C.
(A.C.)
Emign R. B. Snapp
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THIS COMM/TTEt:-
Agreed to postpOne considei
receipt of advices. frOm LOIT
GENERAL
There being no further bu
the Committee, the Miairman opened th?t
discussion.
COLONEL COOK reported on thty
Axis in France, Russial:and.Tunisla.
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i th particular emphasis on the situation aqingt2 Aztsin that area.
GROUP CAPTAIN DUBOULAY gave' a blyief retwult
activity in Europe and Tunisia.
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Minutes of Meetinff held .
The Combined Cti.ztefs o
on Frida A ri
Col. Thomas D. Milling
(A.C.), in the Chail'
Col. C. 0,4 Blakeney, G.S.C.
Comdr. H. L. Abbott, U.S.N.R.
PRESENT
GCl
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Mr. S. K. Hornbeck, Dept.
State
Mr. M. F. Hamilton, B.E.W.
Comdr. W. T.
Yenny, U.S.N.
Lieut. Col. M
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of
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Wm. M. McGovern,
Major A. S. Luford, III
Ensign R. B. Snapp
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Comdr. S. Tho 1k
Col. H. Blak6-Tylorsi.
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BRITISH MOST SECRET
1. AXIS MUNITIONS PRODUCTTO CAP
(Reference C.I.C. 17/M) The BrIttigh
that they had received advices from London ah. triek
that MR, BATTY was prepared to pre$ent the Brit&
a working committee of the P.S. 3.I.S,C,
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THE EASTERN AXIS OIL P9SITIO
(Reference C.I.C. 13/2 (2nd r& ft) MAMP suggested that that the Committee invite Dutch? rep fesOntativ0,51 td
Participate in the discussion or the paper.
THE COMMITTEE:-
Expressed agreement with the suggestion and dir ata
the Secretaries to make necessary arrangmentso.
3. GENERAL
The war situation in general was discussedt
perticulr reference to the German Order of Battle in Russia
and Tunisia.
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The Combined Chits of Staff Builat,),K,
on Friday2 March 26, ,194. tr. 14,0
L. Abbott, U.3.11.R.
Mr. 3. K.
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British J.I.3C. had prepared a dr
Under the circumstances,
Directed the Secretaries to, pro -are k00
draft for submission tO the COMMIVVES
meeting to be held the ear17 piptitt 4dr Aeott, 14*
2. GENERAL.
There being no further business read7k to cop.oly WO' LI.50
the COMMITTEE, the Chairman opened the Meeting tO a gondvar '
discuz!sion.
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Col. C. C. Blakeney, G.S.C.
Comdr. H. L. Abbott, U.S.N.R.
Mr. S., E. Hornbeck, Dept.
State
Comdr. W. T.
Lieut. Comdr.
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A draft of the subject vas read, And ctertaila WO'
ments were proposed and accepted. With regdtd tO dttglit '
stendIng points of divergencej the COMMitted aans1d6red
these were of such importance that they shOUld '':ti ftto Itail-'di
on tho Senior lovel.
THE COMMITTEE:-
Agreed to submit the paper to the ombiri
ligence Committee for final appPova1,
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C.mdr. W. Thomas,
Comdr. H. L. t,':)oti, U.S.H.F.
Mr. S. E. Horneck, Dep:,. of
Col. H. O. Embaway
Mr. John Ru sell. Embassy
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It appeared that a draft Ob
distributed, but too late for consider6 I.
subcommitele prior to tha meeting. Iltd0*
COMMITTESt-
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Aired to postpona distlusatbn
special meeting to be calleATt ly part
next weak.
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out the conclusions reached in C.I.C. 16/2 (2d:brat) Ln that
the papor, as revised at the COMMITTEE's it Oeotingl. .
hold good insofar as basLc facts and conc1u3tons Ifera c_040Orned.,
Ha therefor? suggested that tho paper so rovised-ba rottlimed t6.
the Combined Chiefs of Staff /with a note sating that the
Combined Intelligonco Committoa had roconsiderad 16/2
(2d Draft) in the light of th.) r-ovisions proposad tlf
U. S. Chiefs of Staff; that th,. COMMITT2E suggoated certaih
additional amendments as indicated in the text; and that tht.f),
COMMITTEE would shortly issue a new paper, revising and brirt
in up to date ita estimate on tha strangth and dispositiolI
Axis air and ground forcos.
Socrkytarios to take wcassary aation.
GENERAL
TftaY.a being no further bu2l4ne3s roady ,caorael
the COMMITTEE, tho Chairman openad th Mo4ting to a)ganerni
COLON3L COOK raported on the Battlo Order-li:1,fthe
Eastarn and Wastarn Axis, and COLONEL HALL gave further data
of the recant air oparations in tha Bismarck Sea.
Thc
COMMITTEE than engaged in a ganaral discussimpf ouiq'ent
avonts.
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The Combined Chiefs of lailluraL,
oniz1_111Y.L.Teb uar 12.1214; -
PRESENT
Col. Thomas D. Milling) 0..C.
(AC 4), in the Chair
Col. C. C. Blakeney? G.S.C.
Comdr. E. L. Abbott, U.S.N..
Mr. S. K. Hornbeck, Dept. of
State
Mr. E. S. Mason, O.S.S.
Mr. Max Ways?
Comdr. W. T. Kenny, U.S.N.
Lieut. Col. M. A. Hall, G.S.C.
(A.C.)
Lieut, Comdr. Wm. M. McGovern,
U.S.N.R.
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Group Got4,!
Liout, Col,
Mr John avir9a4
SECREWARIAT
Major A. S. Buford, III Major C. M. Bor!oi
Ensign R. B. Snapp
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Attention-iate:
clitiesting C.T.0. comment ofl
(2nd Draft) and C.T*0* 16/2-
closures "A" and "B" of 0,i 0*.
in Enclosure "A" were discus-aid
those revisions offered an opport
%in the light of recent developntent
Agreed to utilize this opportuti
appropriate revisions to c.ri,c't
Postponed discussion of Sta16
its next meeting.
2. GENERAL
There being no furthor business ready to cOMOt4'
the Committee, the Chairman opened tha Meating ta gavaral.
cussion of tha current world situation.
COLONEL HALL reported on the sit,tation tto
west Pacific, and COLONEL BLAKENZY prozonted tha. ZodttlUx
Japanese G.,ound Forces in New Guinea and Burma. man,
DuBOULAY then outlined significant devalopments tho
front and COLONEL COOK reviewed tha situation on thaMAr
Line.
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Attention-iate:
clitiesting C.T.0. comment ofl
(2nd Draft) and C.T*0* 16/2-
closures "A" and "B" of 0,i 0*.
in Enclosure "A" were discus-aid
those revisions offered an opport
%in the light of recent developntent
Agreed to utilize this opportuti
appropriate revisions to c.ri,c't
Postponed discussion of Sta16
its next meeting.
2. GENERAL
There being no furthor business ready to cOMOt4'
the Committee, the Chairman opened tha Meating ta gavaral.
cussion of tha current world situation.
COLONEL HALL reported on the sit,tation tto
west Pacific, and COLONEL BLAKENZY prozonted tha. ZodttlUx
Japanese G.,ound Forces in New Guinea and Burma. man,
DuBOULAY then outlined significant devalopments tho
front and COLONEL COOK reviewed tha situation on thaMAr
Line.
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OPERATXONS IN NORTH APPTIA
It appeared that a draft Oft tht ttUtj#
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special meeting to be called the oiariy Nutt ot
week.
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2. GENERAL
There being no further business ready to come, Wora
the Committee, the Chairman opened the Meeting to a, general dla-
oussion of the current world situatiOn.
COMMANDER KENNY and COLONEL HALL reported on tho
situation in the Southwest Pacific Area, and DR. HORNBECK
initiated and led a discussion on events in Chlna, with partcular reference to recent reports of renewed Japanese activitr
in that theater. COLONEL COOK, COLONEL BLAKENEY, and OROU?
CAPTAIN DuBOULAY then gave a brief outline of significant de-volap
ments on the Russian and Mediterranean Fronts
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1. CEVERAL
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The war situatiOn in gonorgi '0,111JtV
with particular rcforenco to the Ruin
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German Ordor of Battle in Russia and Tuti6i
2. RUSSIAE.STENGTH 11111.TIELI
MR. MASON ropo:rtod that the stooll-ing tiubcommItto ,
had outlined the scope of the proposed papor and hAd lAditmtod,
specific information which would bo required In the prop6rAtt6.6
of thc ippor. COLONEL COOK stAted that British reprogentatIV6?
had cctled London, requesting London's advice on the inforMtildri
requJ.rcd and London's opinion on the selected br.sic ativaincrttaat
regarding thc situation in the summer of 1943, nrxicly1
(a) Thrlt thc Russians hr.ve runchod a lino which
the Gormans hFivc succocdud in stabili7ing,,?71,nd
(b) That thc Russivns hfwe over-oxtondod thorn iv,
enabling tho GOIIMW1E1 to lunch 21.1.ccessful countcr-offtnst
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Combined Intelligence Committee Meeting:
Friday, Pebruary 12.
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No business was transactad, -mat the caSeZeittiorr.f,
brought out some interesting aspects of Isertal *VII*
in the For East.
Recently American bombing taotict,direatedl
againut enemj shipping have been markealy Chekieldw-
level bombing is giving way to low level (atuf aimost,
horizontal) attack. In attaew on Japanese merchant
shipping t're present practice is to fly at nn altitudt 7
of 50 feet. At a speed of 250 miles an hour tho banib, it
released 480 feet from the ship. The bomb Past ham a
four second delaying action. Tho ob3oct is to cm40 tha
bomb to strike the ship at water line nith a suffleivat
delay in the explosion to permit the escape or the plane.
The procc!dure in attac against oarrters Is to
fly at an altitude or 50 feet and at a speed a ::v1.0 mileJs
qr. hour to release a 500 pound bomb 840 feet from the
11.1p. Flying at this speed and altitude causes, a tilD0'
bomb to skip oa the water if it falls shal-t of the ship.
For attack on a battleship the altitude of'
Lrb
is 300 feet. A 1,000 pound bomb is released 24004::Deet
from the ship at a speed of 310 miles a hour. Ve
results are reported from these tactic.
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The combined Chirs 0f Stet, '
on r_f_apityj,
PRESENT
Col. Thomas D. Milling, G.S.C. (A 4C
in the chair.
Col. C. C. Blakeney, G.S.C.
Mr. S. K. Hornbeck, Dept. of State
Mr. E. S. Mason, 0.8.5.
Mr. Max Ways, B.E.W.
Lieut. Col. L. L. Monta6ue, G.S.C.
Commander H. L. Abbott, U.S.N.R.
Commander W. T. Kenny, U.S.N.
Lieut. Col. M. A. Hall, G.S.C.(A.C.
Lieut. (jg) J. P. Davis, U.S.N.R.
Major A. S. Buford, III
Lieut
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Comdr. W,S, 'thong'
SECRETARIAT
Mx, R.F. Batty.
Major o tc,Berikele
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MR. MASON read 8 note prestintf:
puzzling factors involve.d in the Study O.
tential, with particular emphasis on D1&-
ponding factors in German economy. 1er6 det
designed primarily to focus attontiort OA oert4-16cv
had caused him considerable concern, tri th4-
which followed, it was suggested that it 146111d, be d
consider the question of Russian strength 44 of Alte
than during the winter of 1943.
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Appointed a steering subcommittee ch4
preparation of a draft on Russlatt gtrIftgAIACT
June, 19430 this subcommittee to be. dompoltied
Mr. Mason, Colonel Blakeney, Colonal
Colonel Cook and Group Captain! DuBoula'r
2. GENERAL
The general world situation was disaussod,
in connection with the German Order of Battle along the gt,1$81611,;
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Front and in Tunisia.
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The Combined Committee disaussed the draft Or prw4,
pared by the Enemy Oil Committee stimmarizitg the "$apatese OIL is-
tion61
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paper. The Combined Chiefs of Staff have just requested frowth6;31V
an estimate of the European Axie mtd Far Eastern Axis *11 reezdtiott*
The present paper, together with the paper on "The European kx.14 OEt
PosItion" recently approved by the SIC, areoonsidered to full= the
JCS request.
The American comments on the British paper on nt,talmm
florale" came up for consideration. Since, the diverganfts between, ht.
American and British views nas slight, the comments were referred to
the secretaries for incorporation In the British paper. This will
then be presented to the JIC as a combined paper.
Lt. Col. Lovell of the Central European Section or Ms has
been borrowed for JIG duty for the next two weeks to work in. partiaa-
lar on the papers on "Axis Strategy in North Africa," "Axis Strategar
in 1943," and "German Manpower." The incorporation of comments on.
these last two BritiJh papers will bring to an issue the divergeactal
between the British views and the MIS views regarding German casuaitl
and present Germany army strength. On the former question, the British
estaate German permanent casualties at 44000,000; MIS estimates
casualties at 1,8001000;and OSS estimates German casualtias at sround
2,700,000. A British estimate of German arilw strength as, or 'Tune 19.474
is 6,800,000, and as of December 1942, 6,2004000. MIS continues to
adhere to the figure of about 71500,000 as present German militazY
strength. These persistent differences ereatly hamper at agreed
position on the German manpower situation.
The British offered a few criticisms on. our comments on the _
British papers concerning "Russian Strength in 2.943," sni the RusSi=
capability of defending the Caucasus., These oriticisms wing. be
sidered in various sub-committees. Subsequent diecustion
that British Intelligence confirms General Strones 09mment
yesterday that the Germans have recently, withdrwIn infan?:
one panzer division from France for action on ussian
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The Combined Committee disaussed the draft Or prw4,
pared by the Enemy Oil Committee stimmarizitg the "$apatese OIL is-
tion61
." With a few medifications this paper waa amsepted as, ft=
paper. The Combined Chiefs of Staff have just requested frowth6;31V
an estimate of the European Axie mtd Far Eastern Axis *11 reezdtiott*
The present paper, together with the paper on "The European kx.14 OEt
PosItion" recently approved by the SIC, areoonsidered to full= the
JCS request.
The American comments on the British paper on nt,talmm
florale" came up for consideration. Since, the diverganfts between, ht.
American and British views nas slight, the comments were referred to
the secretaries for incorporation In the British paper. This will
then be presented to the JIC as a combined paper.
Lt. Col. Lovell of the Central European Section or Ms has
been borrowed for JIG duty for the next two weeks to work in. partiaa-
lar on the papers on "Axis Strategy in North Africa," "Axis Strategar
in 1943," and "German Manpower." The incorporation of comments on.
these last two BritiJh papers will bring to an issue the divergeactal
between the British views and the MIS views regarding German casuaitl
and present Germany army strength. On the former question, the British
estaate German permanent casualties at 44000,000; MIS estimates
casualties at 1,8001000;and OSS estimates German casualtias at sround
2,700,000. A British estimate of German arilw strength as, or 'Tune 19.474
is 6,800,000, and as of December 1942, 6,2004000. MIS continues to
adhere to the figure of about 71500,000 as present German militazY
strength. These persistent differences ereatly hamper at agreed
position on the German manpower situation.
The British offered a few criticisms on. our comments on the _
British papers concerning "Russian Strength in 2.943," sni the RusSi=
capability of defending the Caucasus., These oriticisms wing. be
sidered in various sub-committees. Subsequent diecustion
that British Intelligence confirms General Strones 09mment
yesterday that the Germans have recently, withdrwIn infan?:
one panzer division from France for action on ussian
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The Committee discussed gmii t11,0 dUtrOtt 101r
situation, with particular emphasis on th litUatiedi Ma
around Guadalcanal and on German order Of battle it, ftWiddercf
Russia, and North Africa.
PENDITIG PROJECTS
The status of pending projects was reviewvdyth
satisfactory progress was noted. It was again suggested that
the processing of combined papers would be facilitated if 5ftallf
combined subcommittees prepared agreed drafts prior to full
COMMIT= consideration.
THE COMMITTEE:-
Directed that combined papers heroafter be proaesaed
in accordance with the procedure auggested and that
re?resentation on the drafting subcommittee.s be
limited to a maxinum of three representatives fram
each side.
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COMBIIITO INTELLIOVIC COMITta
MlnITLSTIIDE.held in Aocm, 100461
The Combined Chiefs of StAttjAng,
on TUESDAY Januarv 6 L1 at l'ef5?t
PRESENT
Capt. E.P. Eldredge, U.S.N., Capt. E.G.Hagtinga),
in the chair.
Col. Thomas D. Milling G.S.C. Group Capt. G.G Aaal
(A.C.)
Col. C.C. Blakeney, G.S.C.
Lieut. Col. E.F.B. Cook,
Mr. S.K. Hornbeck, Dept. of Mr. R.F. Batty,.
State.
Mr. E.S. Mason, O.S.S.
Mr. Max Ways, 8.3.1g.
Lieut.Col, L.L. Montague,G.S.C.
Comdr. W.T. Kenny, U.S.N.
Lieut.Col. M.A. Hall, G.S.C.
(A.C.)
Mr. John Russell, Itrabassr.
SECRETARIAT
Major A.S. Buford, III Major 0.1 Berkeley
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The Combinep qhipfs of ?taft %TkilLz
on FRIDAY) JanYLTY-22t
Mr. E. S. Mason, 0.3.3.
Mr. C. B. Rayner) B.E.W.
Commander W. T. Kenny, U.S.N.
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THE COMMITTEE took not ot th
With regard to the Western AXiS 01Z
agreed that the paper approved at the it metitt
would partially meet the C.C.S. request. X't 0A0
Italy was included in that Appreciations 1(1146111)1
by the U.S. J.I.C. on the previous day,
With regard to the Far Ea8tern Podi 10 gthil
MITTEE hal before them a draft paper prepared by t
Oil Committee in consultation with British ex:petits- inlaS.
Minor amendments were made in this paper.
THE COMMITTEE:-
Adopted the paper as amended and
(a) Instructed the Secretaries to transmit
13/1 to to the C.C.S. Secretariat in partial t0
pliance with C.C.S. directive
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the draft paper on the EastarniOil Position-x
when approved by the U.S. J.I,C., to complet
compliance with the C.C.S. directive.
(c) Agreed that no further action was required on-
the subject of oil targets in LEST.
2 U.S. J.I.C. COMMENTS ON LONDON J.1.9. PAPERS..
THE COMMITTEE discussed American comments on the
following subjects: (a) Russian strength durtw, th nter;
(b) Soviet capacity to defend South Caucasia; Italian titc.=1,2,4,,
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EFFORT'.!
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to (a) above informally with a view to? t1aeub
mission of an agreed combined draft.- _
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(b) Instructed the Secretaries to
draftof the London.paper on. #4
(J.I.C. 61/l), amended in 'the;
commentss for submission in1.tki4qR
British representatives, adknplorlidg?
65/5 and 28/5 (2nd Draft) consistin'
SITPATION and THE VALUE OF CHINA_
Th080 _papers wer*eprei6ar d, in response
on, the' saMe sUbjeCt*.
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(U.S. 3.I.C. 74 (2nd Draf)
British representativeg agrOad t* giV to 4
ority to this paper as soon as received, with Yidiert
preparation of a combined paper,
4. AXIS STRATEGY IN 1211.
THE COMMITTht took note that discussiona 101.TO tff
progress between American and British military members th&
following subjects, and that draft combined papers Vordd 15#
available shortly:
(a) German Stratel? in 1943, togetherdth
Capabilities and
(b) A1:11_?..IllaLq_aly in North Africa.
(c) German ManaaniA12211.
5. OTHER PROJECTS PENDING.
THE COMMITTEE took note that discussions were pAa
ceeding on the following subjects:
(a) Germany's Economic Position,.
(b) German_mili casualties.
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PRESENT
Col. Thomas D. Milling, G.S.C.
(A.C.) in he chair.
B. S. Mardon, O.S.S.
Mr. C. B. Rayner, ILEA%
Lt. Col. L. L. Montague,G.S.C.
Commander H. L. Abbott, USNR
Lt. Comdr. W. T. Kenny, U.S.N.
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Lt. Col. Denis Capel-Dunn, Seel Londam
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Major A. S. Buford, III
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OOLONtL CAPEL-MIN qa
London 3.I.0. and described itift
in particular, its close relation
1tlP with
The COMMITTEE then asked him vartault qa
phases of London J.I.O. work. Afum further
THE CaMMITTEE:-
Thanked COLONEL CAPEL-DUNN for his
remarks and proceeded to consider the'
2. 211112ELIggILATeingriE4
A draft on the subject was reed. ,
TM COMMITTEE:-
Adopted the draft as amended and dir *tea tha
be issued as C.1.0. 13/1,
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British representatives acknowledged, recei,gt
X.I.C. 25/6, J.I.C. 25/7 and X.14C. 61/2 (2d Dlattl?,consistJ.
of comments on London X.I.C, papers concerning RUS5IAW40,111107*
DURING TIE WINTER, SOVIET CAPACITY TO DBMID SCOTII CAUtA,$7,
and ITALIAN itORAIS. L.
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Agreed to defer discussion oP tite-1)aper*
next aeeting.
TH:g SPANISH SITUATION.
IN NORTH AFRICA. WI.00 43/1
COLONEL MONTAG
U.S. Garment on London 3.1.
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Capt. E. P. Eldredge, U.S.N.,
in the chair
Col. Th)mar D. Millin, G.S.C.
(A.C.)
Dr. E. S. Mer-n, O.B.S.
Mr. M. F. Hamilt;in, B.E.W.
Lt. Col. L. L. Montague, G.S.C.
Comdr. H. L. Abbott, U.S.N.R.
Lt. Comdr. W. M. McGovern, U.S.N.R.
Major A. S. Buford, III
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2. DISCUSSION OF C.I.S4C. MEETINGS.,
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Advisability of continuing the 0.ItS.Ce weidkly modt.1,
ings war! discussed. In the course of the disOlotssion?, it
gested that a round-the-world presentation af ivtellric:6;
U.S. representatives might be helpful in drawing aut
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THE COMMITTEE:
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U.S. representatives undertook to present at tht-tAxt
meetings an oral summary of weekly intelligence mattomoi.
19 AXIS CAPABILITIES AND INTENTIONS - CAL WOE:*
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U.S. representatives reported that the preparatiam qf
the subject paper was pzoceeding, but was temporarily held .
pendin;_; further information from M.I.S. ,
THE COMMITTEE:-
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and Brf.tish representatives should meet in subc.o=atttittl;:,
and should provide a finished draft for full colurtit,.tot
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Col. V. J. Eoloy, G..G. col. a.s.. Bebb
in the chair
Col. R. Jacobs,
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Captain J. H. Fosk tt, 1.?.140A.?
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Grout) Capt. DuBoulny
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U.S. representatives repOrted that tfto 1180MtaM
yet had an opportunity to consider thoroUghly the gutledt prepared
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took to examine the paper on Eonday and report Its re1104 to
british J.I.C. In WASHINGTON as soon thereafter as p0001e,
It was decided tat the proposed paper on ktis capabil4tlet
the 1.iediterranean area should be tabled pending cotp10011 orr-
the discussions with reard to the subject paper.
2. BLOCKADE I32-70.04,1,7 crlirrt L'irt UD APAL
60)
Proposed amondments to J.I.C. 60 were read and minor
chanes made.
3.
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Adopted J.I.C. 60, as amended at the meeting, and
directed that it be issued as a (;.I.C. 12aper.
OIL TARGETS IN OCCUPID 7UROPE.
A draft on the subject was read.
COL:MITT:FE:-
Adopted the pa?er as read and directed that it be
issued.
4. TARALIES3 AIR LOSSES.
A suestion to remove this subject from the agenda
was discussed. It a)pearing that British and American estimateis,
were in accord on Japanese air capabilities, but that !there was
some considerable discre2ancy between the estimated- numbers 0
planes available in various theaters, th:e view was e4ressed-
that it would be more ')rofitable to produce, when requestedx
appreciation of Japanese air capabilities as such, rather t
to attempt at this time to reconcile the differences in estimate4
numbers of planes.
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The CorOined Chiefs_Of .;;ItAff t4lAIMK3
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Col. R. F. Jacobs, G.S.C.,
in the chair
Col. B, tet. Stbb
Col. G. E. Huthsteiner,
Captain J. H. Foskett, U.S.N.
Mr. S. K. Hornbeck, Dept. of
State
Mr. M. F. Hamilton, B.E.W.
Mr. F. Despres, O.L.S.
Lt. Col. L. L. Montague, G.S.C.
Lt. Col. R. T. Middleton, G.S.C.
Lt. Comdr. W. T. Kenny, U.S.N.
Lt. Comdr. W. M. McGovern, U.S.N.R.
Group Capt. G. 0. IL
Lt, Col, t, V, ...i,
Major E. 40
Mr. John RusselL thbAmr.
SECRETARIAT
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COLOMM UBB reported that thsIfl
WASHINGTON had diacussed the subject pa-ptyratgpm#-Ati
while not yet prepared to offer any dontitei,am4Mg'
like to present some of the points which it ',thOu
further consideration. British retresentatives thd
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COLONEL BF3B said that he had .certain sugoit6d, 2 A
revisions, largely in the nature of later informat1on.;'
undertook to present these suggest?ad revlsions to -
to be incorporated in a revised draft on the subject,
HAMILTON reported that the '11a7er should be readlt fOr discussion Hq
by the next meeting. S4.1
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TH-2 Co :ITT considered various ' papers pending,
R. RAYUM reported agreement on basic figures in the'paper, on
japanese oil targets in N.,.I. and stated that that paper would,
be ready for consideration at the next meeting. , -_-
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military casualties would probably be ready by the n4xt meeting ,
and that progress was being made on oth?,for unfinished'businest
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The Combined Chiefs of S'yILEJ
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PRESENT.
Col. N. E. .1.5ske, G.S.C., Lt. Col
in thi: chair
Col. V. J. Neloy
Capt. J. H. Foskett, U.S.N.
Dr. S. K. Hornbeck, state Dwp-t.
Mr. E. Despres, 0.3 3.
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the proposed amendmints dgre6dHbet1(04,
COOK as reportod at the last
note of the dissenting 5-ti1v.Wi. vi q'
The paper would now be transmitted tIO ttlo
as an agreed C.I.C. paper.
2. ENEMY SUBMARINES
British
ings of
secret.
would be
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THE CHAIRMAN said that M.I.S Lred t* obt
and American sources certain inrormationl kegartf-
enemy submarinos. This information would be. tr
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COMMANDER THOMAS said that British Naval Intalti
glad to flarnish the British part of this intbrmatiaa,
3. BLOCKADE RUNNING BETWEEN GERMANY AND JAR
COLONEL BEBB said that British J.I.C. aontidev
a Combined paper on this subject would be of value.
THE COMMITTEE:-
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the subject (U. S. J.I.C. 60)1 compare it with q
British paper dated 3rd October, and submit e.,4ir.4
draft of a combined paper.
4. AXIS CAPABILITIES AND INTENTIONS IN.THEACEDDIE P'
THE CHAIRMAN said that the London, comments on th-a_
U. were under active examination by the Tr. S.
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C.I.C. paper which had been agreed betWeen them. .
THE COMMITTEE went throu
paragraph, agreed some minor changes
re-arrange and complete cevtain fi
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were pending:
(a) Germany's Economic Prospee, '
(b) German Military Casualties;
(c) Japanese Air Losses.
CAPTURED EQUIPMENT
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gation having shown that the presont 1161z:on arrango-
mcnts between the British and American agenatea '
concerned wen) satisfactory.
GENERAL
There was a ceneral discussion :)n the var vituatiah),
with particular reference to current opurations in the MIDDLD:
EAST and in the CAUCASUS.
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on FRIDAY November 27. 1942, at 1100
Col. N. E. Fiske, G.S C.
in the chatr
PREaENT
Col. B. J. M. Bobb
Group Gapt. G. G. H. DuBoulitlir
Captain J. H. Foskett, U.S.N.
Lt. Col. E. F, B. Cook
Dr. S. K Hornbeck, Dept. of
State Major E. F. P. Gage
Dr. E. S. Ma n, 0 S.S. Mr. John Ruszell, Em
Mr. C. B. Rayner, B.E.W.
Mr. M. F. Hamilton, B.E.W.
Lt. Col. L. L. Montague; G.S,C.
Lt. Comdr. W. T. Kenny, U.S.N.
Lt. Comdr. W. M. McGovern,
U.S N.R.
Major A. S. Buford, III
SECRETARIAT
Major C. M. Berkeley
1 AXIS CAPABILITIES IN THE MEDITERRANEAN AREA.
British J.I.C. agreed to consider the subject paper with a
to producing a comb Aft.?0,r,
eral conclusions reached by the U.S. J.I.C. Upon invitatiothe.,,
combined paper on the subject.
The CHAIRMAN outlined the paper, including the gr:
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2. JAPANESEAIR LOSSES.
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GROUP CAPTAIN DuBOULAY reportedthat GROtM.Cgt,
LUARD was in WASHINGTON and was preparing 4-a4r- 31*#3::0,
the subject of the strength and disposit#J-of the Japanee'
, force be approached from a -planning lootli:
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Col. N. E. Fiske, G.S.C.,
in the chair
Col. V. J. Meloy, G.S.C.
Capt. 3. H. Poskett, U.S.N.
Dr. E. S. Mason, 0.5.3.
Mr. C. B. Rayner, B.E.W.
Mr. E. Despres, 0.3.3.
Lt. Col. L. L. Montague, G.S.C.
Lt. Comdr. W. T. Kenny, U.S.N.
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Mr. John RusselL Embagm
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be removed from the agenda.
2. GERMAN'S PROSPECTIVE OIL SWAM, ?PPM
COLONEL BEBB reported that agreommt ti ci,11 on certain certain figures at issue.
THE COMMITTEE:-
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and directed that it be issued.
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the Middle
situation
situation
Africa,
GENERAL.
LIEUTENANT COLONEL COOK reported on the situatloa 1.rk
East and LIEUTENANT COMMANDER owe reported on the,
in the Solomons a/ea. A general disoussian en the vallao
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in the chair
Capt. J. H. Foskott, U.S.N.
Comdr. V. S. Thamast ft. 11.
Mr. S. K. Hornbck, Stato Dcpt
Flight Lt. W. R. S. Sva8lt
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1. JAPANESE INTENTIONS
C.I.C. 10
The CHAIRMAN reported tht. ho ahd, btk COLOVIt
were at preoent engaged in discusslorm conotirralw aortaki
posed amendments to the basic paper, lt appo6riftg, th44
factory progress Iftri3 being made tomarda an Agreed wtatogittt
vas decided that thore was no nece3s1ty rOV eUrthOr co- totT
conzideration at this time. , I
2. GERMAN ECONOMIC PO3ITION
The COMMITTEE took note of the postpotoment r)f tho
study, pending MR. MASON 's return from LONDON vith mote recent
information.
GERMAN MILITARY CASUALTIES
The CHAIRMAN stated that recent figtireg from MO',
based upon a sample or casualties thrcmghout representative
areas of Germany, indtcated that an upward revision of (lama
military ca3ut.Jtie3 mlght be in order. He suggostedl.Awi tha
COMMITTEE arced, that the BERN figures should be coAsidered
in preparing the subjcct paper. It was decided that the papar
should be held in abeyance pending MR. MASON's return vith th
latest British estimatos.
BLOCKADE RUNNING BETWEEN GERMANY AND JAPAN
MR. HAMILTON reportt,d that a draft on the sutjeot
would probably be ready Cor discussion at the ne-xt mEt)etines.
5. CAPTURED EQUIPMENT
There was brief di.scussion on the subject.
THE COMMITTEE:-
Decided that report should be made to the Senior
U.S. Joint Intelligence Committee that preaent
liaison between interested British and American
agencies appears to be satisfactory.
6. GENERAL
There was a general discussion on the warl*
with particular reference to the present action ip4a
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cun bir c?ommanclerliofCiern-.n ;air'
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Lhe rnf2riv,-.,.r-1111 to 1%110 c-tage of 1a.nes for trs.inint3 purposes nd
che 11117-JJers in r1?..erve training units.
Colon(21 Fiske, aologizing ;$01/4the Rritish membt,rs for
carldlIctinr.: Joint :1',11b -Committee business in the Com-
b5.neJ ,I;oun-Ittee, i;a,..ailton of 3E7 and me to ar.,t as
a ,.,-ob-i'.amnittee in preimrinj h pext Tuesday a paper on the
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MINUTES of MeetimIsAlUILlicalv104,4,
The Combined Chiers Of S]taffjyAliciApty
on FRIDAY 0,9 tgbe
in the Chair
Capt. J. H. Foskett, U.3.N.
Mr. 3. K. Hornbeck, 3tate Dept.
Mr. C. B. Raynor, B.E.W.
Mr. E. Despreu, 0.3.3.
Lt. Col. R. T. Maddlcton,
Comd. H. L. Abbott, U.3.N.R.
Lt. Col. E. P. S. Co011
Maj. B. P. P. dagt
S4r. A. Rumbolcly Embasay
Mr.
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1. JAPAN --'E INTEATION5.
LIEUTENANT COLONEL MONTAGVE reparttd thdt t
I.C. had suggested certain amendments to the, OUWeet
eluding the de-emphasis of DARWIN as aft @n0417HObjedtiNd 6.1%
removal of the phrase "no signs of coordinated ttlititogy
appeared that LONDON preferred to retaiL DAR:WIN aS 1:45111tI
enemy objective, partially because of itt italatieft, It 104V-
gested, after some discussion, that the Secretariat dret
acceptable statement in this regard, includiag a state:tett '
eating the remoteness of this possibility. MAJOR
read a proposed substitute for the original gtatoMeAt
German-Japanese coordinated startegy. The SIttStItYttrat'
was amended slightly and apprcved a3 amended.
Fr
THE COMMITTEE:
Directed the Secretariat to revise the sti6jeCt p
with consideration given to the points raised t
discussion.
GERMAN CASUALTIES.
It was reported that progress
subject study.
vas being made at the
3. 'JAPANESE AIR STRENGTH.
GROUP CAPTAIN DuBOULAY stated that Wing Commander
Luard wa3 expected in Washington shortly with the latest LONDOIV
estimate on Japanese air strength. It was decided to hold thls
matter in 3beyance pending the arrival of Wing Commander Luard
4. CAPTURED ENETLERITPMENT.
LIEUTENANT COLONEL COOK stated that he had brought
back from LNGLAND late information on this subject which he would
foiward to the U. S. junior J.I.C.
5. OTHER UNFINISHED BUSINESS.
It was reported that both junior J.I.C.t.s vere
forward wIth studies on blockade-running between GERMA.NY and.
JAPAN.
In *regard to Security of Ciphers(a.
LIEUTENANT COLONEL MONTAGUE stated that ths'
ommended to the Joint U. S. Chiefs of 15-4
referred to the Joint U. S. Communicatio
for the establishment of a Central con:W
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COMBIN INTELLIGE/ja ;t1?-12Igt
MINUTES of Meetin held it,
The Combined Chiof of Starr
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PRESENT
Col. N. E. Fiske, G.S.C.,
in the Chair
Col. V. J. Meloy, G.S.C.
Capt. J. H. Feskett, U.S.N.
Mr. S. K. Hornbeck, State Dept.
Mr. E. Despres, O.S.S.
Lt. Col. L. L. Montague, G.S.C.
Lt. Col. R. T. Middleton, G.S.C.
Comdr. H. L. Abbott, U.S.N.R.
Lt. Comdr. W. T. Kenny, U.S.N.
Capt. A.
S. Buford III
situation,
asked that
SECRETARIAT
Mj erP. ge D-
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Intellig6tot, Vat'
London,
Col B. J. M..Bebb? Kett,
Comdr 1W, Thomas, R
tt. Col. Z. Po, B.: Cook
Maj. E. F. P. Oage,
Plight Lt. V. E. B Brash
Sir Anthony Rumboldx Embexvx
Mr. R. F. Batty, M. ,W.
Mr. Walter F. Bell_ Secur
Services
Major C. M. Berkeley
WAR SITUATION IN GENERAL.
41,
GENERAL DAVIDSON discussed various Aspeo
with particular reference to he Rsk
nis remarks be considered as of the, 'rei0:
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The Combined Chiefs of Staff u
on FRIDAYL October
PRESENT
Col. N. E. Fiske, G.S.C.
in the Chair
Col. V. J. Meloy, G.S.C.
Capt. J. H. Foskett, U.S.N.
Mr. E. Despres, O.S.S. Maj. E.F.P. Gage
Mr. M. F. Hamilton, B.;3.W. Sir A. Rumbold, Etbassy
Lt. Col. R. T. Middleton, G.S.C. Mr. Rs F. Batty, M.E.N.
SECRETARIAT
Maj. O. M. Berkeley
Col, B. X. M, Babb
Group Capt. G.G.,E. Dulouia
ComeNr. W. S. Thomas, R.M.
Lt. Col. L. L. Montague
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1. PROCEDUR3 FOR Fr14ALIZINO.C1
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COLONEL FISKE said that there Wat 00056 dftibt .
American side as to the body to which C.IfC papOrl Shatalt
submitted when the Senior U.S. J.I.C. winhad to ptappooe-tottrid
ments to a text already agreed by the Cambined SubrAmmItttotck
After discussion, COLONEL BLOB undertook to provid# COIONEIr P18
with a written note in this r5gard.
2.
(C.I.S.C. 18th Meeting, Item 7)
GROUP CAPTAIN DuBOULAY said that a try gatisTactory.
meeting had been held on October 5th. A report was now boing
prepared for the C.I.S.C.
It was reported that neither American nor BrItisll
agencies had succeeded in extractine, data on captured equipment
from the Russians.
3. RUSSIAV FOOD SITUATION.
MR. BATTY undertook to contribute material for
study on the Russian food situation, on which O.S.S. and B.
were now engaged.
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la t 196 _
Col. V. J. Meloy, G.S.C.,
In the Chair
Col. E. M. Fiske, G.S.C.
Capt. J.
Foskett, U.S.N.
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Kr. 3. K. Hornbeck, State Dept.
Mr. C. B. Raynor) B.E.W.
Mr. E. DesreEl, 0.3.3.
Lt. Col. L. L. Mortague) G.3.0.
Lt. Col. R. T. Middleton, G.S.C.
Lt. Comdr. W. T. Kenny) U.S.N.
Lt. Comdr. W. M. McGovern, U.S.N.R.
!3EqETARIAT
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Comdr. W4 S. Tham40,
Mi. jor q. P. P. Ogio
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GENERAL.
COLONEL :BBB suggebted thAt thot?
interested in COLONEL VISKV5 oXparlendes
COLONEL FISKE described briefly tht high
tioning particularly the close associatiOn
with the British Joint Chiefs of Staff and t
the London J.I.C. disposed of its business
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It was then remarked that, a rolind-the'WO-
ligence presentation, similar to that of LendoA
prove useful to the COMMITTEE. The COMMITTEE IfieVtn-
favorably, COLONEL FISKE stated that he Vould gee 1/116i,
ments could be made in that regarth
The COMMITTEE was reminded
PIRIE, recently over from the MIDDLE EA
to speak to the COMMITTEE at a special
1130, Monday, 5 October.
COMMANDER IAN FLEMING.
MEETING.
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meeting to be hold 't
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2. JAPANESE INTENTIONS,
(U.S.J.I C. 49/11 ar. 3-:19)
The subject paper was road and discussed and el:. fev
verl7a1 amendmunts suggest d. Agrement having boon reached on
the main body of the paper, 1,t was suggested that Appendix
concornthg order of battle and scal.,? of attack, be omitted in
order nnt to delay the paper whtle minor differences In Cho
Appendix mero boing reslyed. The C:OMMITTM thereupon approved
tho suggostion and dinJetcd thzIt the paper as amended be I3suad4
A supplementary paper concL'rnng Japanese order of battle and
scales of attack to 1-,N:.) sont forward when kgreement is reached.
3. JAPAnSE AIR SnENGTH.
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from London new figures on Japanese air strenthvhiphIA6 A.7-
a considerablo increase ovor previous British estimaten,? ,
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stated that he would l(ft the U.S.3,I.S.C. have a copy ot,
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(British draft September 22)
The subject paper was read amended and, ap,m)y,
amended, subject to British cheok on tank and troop s-
mentioned in the paper.
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I i :place be conducted between War 'Trade repres.p0,,
4 C..S.S., working as an inferm41 ce!libinetypi:vi,
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1 Octobor by a Special Committoo nip ad of, 140
CLARKE, U.S.A., COMMANDER E. W. TRAVni RS d
COMMANDER R.L. DENSFORD, 'U.S.N. Ho stated t t,
Committee had agreod to prepare a plan on tho
submitted to the COMMITTEE for tratsmittal tt tho 0
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OF STAFF. It appearing that COMMANtEn TRAVIS Vaa
ENGLAND, MAJOR G. G. STEMS was appointed by' thd Attlth tdt '
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his place.
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FLIGHT LIEUTENANT BRASH said that Briti h ttstol-c
ligonce yore anxious to take advantago of the proaefto
British expert on this subject to discuss it With otpart,t,? or tho'
War and Navy Departments. Ho asked whether a mealtv a0141d.ba
arranged between Group Captain Easton and ?Amoriota ouports ror
the following Monday.
CAPTAIN FOSKETT agrued to make the moossary arrangm
ments for a morning meeting on Monday, October 5.
8. GERMANY'S ECONOMIC PROSPFCTS.
COLONEL BEDB said that as a result or the discuasien
at the previous mooting, British J.T.C. had telegraphed to Londert
to inquire whether thu time had come to examine Germanyi#s Ece.momlo
Prospects on the basis not of the defeat of Russia in 1942 as,- in.
various earlicr papers, but on tho basis or certain assoumptions
which ho understood appoared ruasonable to both thc, U. 8, md
British J.I.C.'s. Those wore:
(a) That the Germans would be heldon approximat
the prescint lino north of STALINGRAD;
(b) That STALINGRAD itself would be occupiedl
(c) That the Germans would have reached the 1OLGA4
occupied ASTRAKHAN, and established themselves on thO've&t
cost of the CASPIAN as far as MAKHACH KALA
(d) That they would be held in the CAUCASUS
only MAIKOP' and GROZNY would therefore be availabl...*,',,WIlli;"'%:.
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not affect the economic situation either way and could t
be disregarded.
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, assumptions and promised to provide additional de"*,11_,
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Capt. J. H. Foskett,
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Col. BaX. Bobb
Dr. S. K. Hornbeck, State Dept, Croup Capt.
R,A.F
Dr. E.S. Mason, 0.3.S.
Mr. C.3. Rayner, B.E.1T.
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subject papers, the hOpe wa8 expreASed t1:14ttP
could be prebentod to the Cammitteo at it8
that a combLnad paper could be agreed upon at thlAt' t
(b) (man ltion, T
Br. Se1borne,mmerandultir7-Ir;mns notei tittt tioddft*._
points of variance between tho British, eStild'at6 as StAte4 ?
the U. S. views. It wns reported, haweitorthst stre
paper indicatin? the d1v9rgenciJs was in proparatim mkt.
that the subject might ready for discussiOn qt tha At
Committee Dioetinc. Colonel Babb thon stated. that. tho Aoturv
of economic papc!rs was such that they could probably' b(i.tt
prepared in draft form lw subcommittees acting an a cambinod
Agrod and dinictiA hJreaftor, In considerin
economic subjocts, Junior J.I.C. subcommittoost,
acting on a combined levt;i, should TzQpare draftS
for tho consideration of the Committee.
(c) Gerlan-Spanish Int.,ntions in I;orthw(Jst Africa
(U.S.X.I.C. 3612,; Br. drft S.3pf77-TZ-. rE-wirmlyed
that an early combined Tylok_r w.s desirabio, the subject
papur, with U. S. cement, to servu 'Ls n
(d) Axis Attack on tho Liiddlo East. (Previous
raforrrnco. C.I,C.C. 14th Mooting. Iti 1.) A.1.-3?r7i,nztry
U. S. draft WIS ruported as nerly completed and probabl
randy for discussion n,..xt week. In order to accelerate
considoration of the subject, it was agreed that the draft
would b sent to the British J.I.C. in Washington at as
uarly a date as scorned feasible.
(0) Captured Enemy E.ui.mont (U. 41)
U.S.J.I.C. notion on the paper was report/ad to t e
Committee. It appearing that existing arrangempnts tori
transmittal
transmittal of information concerning ,,,aptured!onamy eg4
mont was satisf ri ctory from the U. S. point of Ifiat..4,,b .
'perhaps nol:', entirely so from the British point .ve
was agreed that tho subjet papor be sent to 1414.0-' ,
comment and for an expression, of London's. 7,100,,J,18
functioning of the present arrangement.
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the U. S. views. It wns reported, haweitorthst stre
paper indicatin? the d1v9rgenciJs was in proparatim mkt.
that the subject might ready for discussiOn qt tha At
Committee Dioetinc. Colonel Babb thon stated. that. tho Aoturv
of economic papc!rs was such that they could probably' b(i.tt
prepared in draft form lw subcommittees acting an a cambinod
Agrod and dinictiA hJreaftor, In considerin
economic subjocts, Junior J.I.C. subcommittoost,
acting on a combined levt;i, should TzQpare draftS
for tho consideration of the Committee.
(c) Gerlan-Spanish Int.,ntions in I;orthw(Jst Africa
(U.S.X.I.C. 3612,; Br. drft S.3pf77-TZ-. rE-wirmlyed
that an early combined Tylok_r w.s desirabio, the subject
papur, with U. S. cement, to servu 'Ls n
(d) Axis Attack on tho Liiddlo East. (Previous
raforrrnco. C.I,C.C. 14th Mooting. Iti 1.) A.1.-3?r7i,nztry
U. S. draft WIS ruported as nerly completed and probabl
randy for discussion n,..xt week. In order to accelerate
considoration of the subject, it was agreed that the draft
would b sent to the British J.I.C. in Washington at as
uarly a date as scorned feasible.
(0) Captured Enemy E.ui.mont (U. 41)
U.S.J.I.C. notion on the paper was report/ad to t e
Committee. It appearing that existing arrangempnts tori
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was agreed that tho subjet papor be sent to 1414.0-' ,
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Dr. S. K. Hornbeck,
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