AL-QADHDHAFI SPEECH ON WOMENS' CONSCRIPTION

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On the Middle East, Col al-Qadhdhafi said that Pales-
tinians in Israeli-occupied territories felt abandoned by
the Palestine Liberation Organisation. He suggested the
PLO leader Yasir `Arafat might have to resign as a step
towards reunifying Palestinians. The PLO, he said, now
meant "nothing." 'Arafat's mainstream Fatah group was
only one of many Palestinian factions struggling to
liberate their homeland, and the PLO chairman himself
no longer had special status.
He ranked, according to Col al-Qadhdhafi, alongside
Damascus-based radicals such as Abu Musa, who
rebelled against `Arafat in 1983, and the Libyan-fi-
nanced Ahmad Jibril, whose Popular Front for the
Liberation of Palestine-General Command (PFLP-GC)
carried out the November hang-glider raid against an
Israeli military camp, providing one of the triggers for
the present disturbances. Col al-Qadhdhafi warmly
endorsed the PFLP-GC attack in which six Israeli sol-
diers were killed. "Armed struggle against Zionism," he
said, "is the proper way" for Palestinians to pursue their
aims."
Col al-Qadhdhafi's sharp critism of `Arafat as a self-
styled revolutionary represents another about-turn in his
policy. For the past year Libya has sought to mediate
between the PLO's divided factions., But now Col al-
Qadhdhafi seems to have despaired of a further accord
and asserted that only a new leader could reunify the
PLO. Asked whether there was a successor-in-waiting,
with the qualities to unite the PLO, Col al-Qadhdhafi
replied: "Of course, although we don't know who he is."
He poured scorn on the concept of an international
peace conference, which `Arafat aims to attend as head
of a PLO delegation. He declared: "It will fail. It will
bring nothing for the Palestinian people, I am sure."
Had the robust defence of Palestinian rights in Gaza by
the Foreign Office Minister, Mr David Mellor, encour-
aged Col al-Qadhdhafi to reassess his attitude to the
British Government? "No, it's a diplomatic posture," he
replied. "The basic British position is still hostile
towards the Arab nation and the Palestinian people.
"Britain is responsible for this historical crime against
the Palestinian people because it gave Palestine to Zion-
ism. So my stand against British policy is still the same as
it was." -
Libya wanted good relations. But why did Britain "co-
operate with imperialist Americans" to kill civilians in
an air raid?
Referring to the murder of Woman Police Constable
Yvonne Fletcher in 1984, Col al-Qadhdhafi said no one
knew who killed her. She "might have been killed by the
British police themselves."
Further on Visit of Malian Foreign Minister
Received by Al-Qadhdhafi
LD101411 Tripoli Domestic Service in Arabic
1330 GMT 10 Jan 88
[Text] The brother leader of the revolution has received
Modibo Keita, the Malian foreign minister, who con-
veyed to him a message from President Moussa Traore,
the president of the Republic of Mali.
Joint Protocol Signed
LD112044 Tripoli JANA in English 1815 GMT
11 Jan 88
[Text] Tripoli, Ayn al-Nar [January] 11, JAMAHIRI-
YAH NEWS AGENCY-This afternoon, signing took
place on a protocol of a meeting of the Libyan Arab-
Malian joint committee's third session. The protocol,
which was signed by the secretary of the General Peo-
ple's Committee for Information, Culture and Revolu-
tionary Guidance and "Modibo Keita" the minister of
foreign affairs and international co-operation of the
Republic of Mali, included working towards promoting
joint co-operation in various informational, cultural and
health fields.
Minister's Departure Noted
LD112048 Tripoli JANA in English 1826 GMT
11 Jan 88
[Text] Tripoli, Ayn al-Nar [January] 11, JAMAHIRI-
YAH NEWS AGENCY-"Modibo Keita" the minister
of foreign affairs and international co-operation in the
Republic of Mali left Tripoli this evening at the end of a
visit he made to Great Jamahiriyah during which he had
talks on strengthening and developing co-operation
between the Republic of Mali and Great Jamahiriyah.
Al-Qadhdhafi Speech on Womens' Conscription
LD140330 Tripoli Television Service in Arabic
2000 GMT 13 Jan 88
[Speech by Colonel Mu'ammar al-Qadhdhafi to a large
group of unidentified women; date, place not given-
recorded]
[Text] The girls strongly protest against the national
service law. They say: What is this law? How can you say
that national service is the duty of men and not women?
This is an insult to women. This is against the values of
the Jamahiri society, against the Third Universal Theo-
ry, and against freedom. They are angry and say: We
would like to go to the women's congresses and bring the
female students of schools, colleges, and universities,
and decide that national service is the duty of all
Libyans, no matter male or female. That is it, it will be
popular will. That is right. In spite of everything, it is a
severe insult to women, and a blow to all the efforts we
exerted for liberating the enslaved, persecuted, and
weak. Women are weak, humiliated, enslaved, and
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despised. They tie her head and cover it and stop her. people's congresses practice authority, then they put
They say sit here, and stay-like a thing which could be forth a law saying women are weak and incomplete and
trodden on and broken. [Words indistinct] like a stone are not suitable! How come this one wears a military
which can break, not broken. What did they do? They uniform and is being trained on weapons? This is the
made that law and said national service, as if women are same thing. It is national service. What is the difference?
not patriots, is only for boys. This is a huge insult to The same situation. She wears a uniform and is being
Jamahiri society. This is true. trained on weapons. During the battle, she fights. But to
scream and say women should not fight, then she would
Women should get angry and hold women's people's be taken as prisoner without resistance, because it is
congresses and decide that as far as national service is forbidden to give her a gun. This is the meaning of
concerned, there is no difference between men and excluding her from national service. She cannot defend
women. At the same time, we tell you that it is not the country. [sentence indistinct]
compulsory. When a girl comes and says: Exempt me,
then she will be exempted. It could be done this way. They consider her not as a human being, but as a thing,
Women should not be exempted from patriotism, from a goat, a mare, a piece of furniture. In that backward
this sacred duty. National service is for all. But if a girl world, man looks at woman the same way he looks at the
asks to be exempted, this is different from the case of a things he buys. This is a chair, which I like today.
boy, she can ask to be exempted and say: I do not want Tomorrow, if I do not like it, I will get another one. This
to be conscripted, then we will accept that from her. is how they look at marriage, they get married to this one
and divorce that one. How can [word indistinct] our
However, the principle remains: to exclude women from daughters, sisters, and wives become like refrigerators,
patriotism then to say if a girl volunteers it is all right. It chairs, and automobiles-if they are damaged do we
is supposed that national service is for everyone, but throw them away?
women are exempted if they ask to be. The same is to
say: work is the right of everyone, male and female, but It is true. That law, issued in Libya, is a reactionary law,
if a women asks to be exempted from work, it is the same and it makes women pieces of furniture, as if they are
as it is in the Green Book. We do not say if women chairs, tables, cows, goats, or anything that has nothing
should or should not work. That is a silly question. But
we say: work is a right and duty for everyone. Society to do with country, struggle, honor, or jihad. As if man
should provide work for anyone who needs it. But if a goes to heaven on behalf of women, and man gets the
woman comes and says: I do not want to do this job, or glory on behalf of women, and she remains a thing like
I would like to stay at home, for instance, then it is up to cups, chair, or automobile. That is it. How can we look at
her, and we will not force her. But if she wants to work, our daughters, sisters, mothers, and aunts in this way?
This is an insult to ourselves. This is an insult to men not
then asks We say be naexempted, tional s service and is for comes and everyone, says: women. Where did man come from? You are surrounded
but if sha e woman works.
an
I do not want to be conscripted, then that is all right. But women. Women are your daughters, mothers, sisters,
we should not exclude her on principle. and aunts. That is right. It is an insult.
In fact, I have met professors from a number of countries You say we are mobilizing the forces of the Arab nation
who specialize in studying Jamahiri theory. They were in production and struggle, then you issue a law that says
amazed at this law. They say: You have given a blow to that women are not human, should not carry arms, and
the Jamahiri society and the freedom cause, you have have nothing to do with the honor of the country and
given a fatal blow to women and a huge insult to women defending it or with the struggle! Even have nothing to
in your country. You say this is the society of the masses do with jihad!
and the state of the masses, men and women, then how
can you exclude women from the national service? This Go ye lightly or heavily, fighting is prescribed for you,
means that a woman is not a complete being, and is and ye dislike it, But it is possible that ye dislike a thing
immature and incomplete. Include women in the which is good for you, and struggle with your goods and
national service, and if one comes to you and says: My your persons [Koranic verses] He did not say: 0 men,
circumstances do not allow me, then you can exempt her. struggle. Never. He was talking to all Muslims, to all
But to exclude her as if she is not [sentence as heard]. faithful. Go ye lightly or heavily to men, women, old,
How can you issue a law that applies only to half the and young. He did not say an army of men only. God
Libyan people? does not waste: Whoever works righteousness, man or
woman, this means if whether a man or a woman,
In fact this is a reactionary law, it is against freedom, a whoever does good works, he will be repaid. How can a
huge insult to women, and a blow to all the efforts reactionary law issued in Libya say that women are
exerted by women after the revolution for the sake of deprived of struggle, deprived of heaven, deprived of
liberation. After Libyan Arab women became an ideal honor, glory, struggle, and power, and disarmed? What
for Arab women and women in the whole world, after does it mean to take all this away from her? She becomes
they produced the revolutionary nuns movement and a table, chair, cow, refrigerator, or automobile. This is
women's revolutionary committees, after women in the exactly what it means. That is right.
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It is exactly as I tell you. Who would allow his daughter,
or his mother, to become a chair, table, or a refrigerator,
or accept her value to be equivalent to that of an
automobile. This is nonsense and reaction. Unfortunate-
ly, society is still a reactionary one, otherwise there
would have been a revolution against that law, a revolu-
tion' by men and women. Men would have said: Our
daughters and mothers are not automobiles, tables, or
chairs. They are allowed to struggle and fight like anyone
else. I would like my daughter, mother, and sister to be
armed and strong. Who among you said to deprive her of
this honor? One will come and say: Who told you to
deprive my sister this honor, or my mother of this honor,
or my daughter of this honor? This is if there was an
awareness and there were no reactionary ideas, then
someone would have come and said that. Why would
you deprive my. daughter of the honor of struggle and to
carry arms? Do you want her weak? Do,you want her
excluded from all national duties and sacred things? Do
you want them only for yourselves?
No. She must participate in them. This is her right. My
mother, who gave birth to me, how can you look at her as
if she is an automobile, a table, or a chair, someone who
has nothing to do-with defending the homeland? These
are reactionary minds, who brought one word from here
and another from there and formulated that law. They
formulated the law without even being convinced of it.
They know that, [word indistinct] masses, but they are
afraid of these reactionaries. Anyone who talks about a
shaykh, mosque, words of the prophet, woman, or veil,
would be afraid and say: They (?might attack me). This is
a revolution. A revolution includes bravery and confron-
tation. [crowd chants]
Al-Qadhdhafi Moderates Congress Debate 6 Jan
LD071830 Tripoli Television Service in Arabic
1720 GMT 6 Jan 88
[Debate at the 6 January meeting of the Sidi al-Khalifah
Basic People's Congress, moderated by Mu`ammar al-
Qadhdhafi-live or recorded]
[Excerpts) [Intercepted in progress] [Al-Qadhdhafi] This
report speaks about the company itself.
[Unidentified speaker] Yes, about the company.
[Al-Qadhdhafi] I mean the company speaks about itself.
[Speaker] Yes, the company speaks about itself.
[Al-Qadhdhafi] It is shouldering its: responsibility. It is
not shirking its responsibility. What clause. are you
talking about?
[Answer indistinct]
[Al-Qadhdhafi] Fourth-the general reports. This is an
item on the agenda of the people's conferences-a report
about the companies which belongs to the economic
sector and commerce; the Central Bank; banking affairs;
communications. Where is this company?
[Unidentified speaker] A report.
[Al-Qadhdhafi] Where? Where is the report of the invest-
ment company? Where is it; on what page?
[Speaker] A report about the companies...
[Al-Qadhdhafi, interrupting] About the companies
which belong to the economic sector and commerce.
This belongs to the sector of the economy and com-
merce. Where is the economy and commerce, the mem-
ber of the People's Committee for the economy and
commerce? Does this investment company belong to
you?
[Answer indistinct]
[Al-Qadhdhafi] Brother Abd al-Latif, tell Al-Muntasir
we' are citizens who do not understand a thing about.'
these companies which belong to him [laughter in the
hall, followed by applause]. [Words indistinct] tell us so
that we know who is accountable for the company.
Phone him and tell him. Or contact the secretariat of the
General, People's Congress. Speak; go ahead.
[Unidentified speaker] [passage indistinct]
[Al-Qadhdhafi) The other day he said it belongs to the
General People's Committee for the Treasury. Is there a
member of the Treasury here?
[First unidentified speaker] He did not come.
[Second unidentified speaker] Muhammad Ibrahim al-
Fatih-Ibrahim Muhammad al-Fatih [words indistinct)
[Al-Qadhdhafi] He is not here! Ali well, he is supposed to
talk to the General People's Committee for the Treasury
and then explain this to us. All right, continue.
[Unidentified speaker] Shall I proceed?
[Al-Qadhdhafi] Yes.
[Speaker] [mostly indistinct reference to giving the floor
to others]
[Al-Qadhdhafi] It will better if you do so by numbers, the
numbers of the ...
[Speaker] By serial number.
[Al-Qadhdhafi] Do they not have their membership
cards? Each one speaks according to the number on his
membership card. [passage omitted]
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[Second unidentified speaker] In actual fact, all those
who spoke, spoke about the moral return-if we can call
it that-of the company. In my view, this is difficult to
calculate. In my view, we should concentrate on the
material, return-I give you one dollar or one dinar, what
will you bring me back by the end of the year? Otherwise,
we will enter into side issues which will sometimes be
difficult to calculate. The company may tell us that it has
lost in one project, but we have won or -made a political
gain or profit. We have issued many decisions to support
the struggling peoples. This company is called the For-
eign Investment Company.
If you want to call it political or anything else, then call
the company "the company of political and moral
investment." [Al-Qadhdhafi is heard laughing] That is
true. According to the figures which have been presented
and according to the explanations made by Dr Sadiq,
this company has lost more than $100 million or there-
abouts. I do not know how to discuss its accounts, but
this report is not clear to me. For example, if I have a.
company in country x, then I want to know what this
company has done and what its return is. Do not present
me with totals and so on. Points which were made by
other colleagues should be stressed, too. Thank you.
[Unidentified speaker] Greetings.
[Second unidentified speaker] What is your number
please?
[First speaker] 53-46. The question which you are dis-
cussing now on the investment company concerns the
issue: Does politics support the economy or does the
economy supports politics? I do not like to enter into
philosophical matters, but we are saying: Should we
invest-this has been suggested by some brothers-our
money in a state which is politically stable in order to
guarantee the material return? This is one thing; and on
the other hand, the fact remains that, by way of our
investments and presence through the companies and
the investment of money, we are contributing to the
political stability of that state. We are contributing to
this stability and we are ensuring that state's neutrality,
for example. We, for example, even guarantee our stra-
tegic aims through our dealings by.,way of the invest-
ments.
Therefore, basically we should not look at things only
materially. We should not have a pure material outlook
toward investments. Our presence results in some sort of
political stability for that state. This does not mean that
we have an expansionist or colonialist outlook on the
subject. This is a realistic outlook. On the other hand,
this may ensure that we may not suffer a loss in some
area, or-according to some political circumstances-we
may find ourselves compelled to intervene in them
militarily. The economy is a weapon. Our economic
presence is a weapon which may help us avoid using
other means due to pressures on us. In the world, states
are fighting each other for spheres or areas of influence.
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Each one wants.to have a presence one way or,another.
Those who have no military presence may have an
economic presence. [passage omitted]
[Al-Qadhdhafi] Good. Here is a report before me which
is very useful. This is apart from the company's report; I
refer to a memorandum regarding the Public Treasury. ?I
do not know who wrote it-it concerns the Public
Treasury and the establishments which belong to the
Public Treasury, including the Investment Company. On'.
page 7-you have that-the position of the company is
very clearly outlined. One page clarifies everything. All
the basic popular conferences should read this when they
discuss these companies and ask them to account for
their activities. For example, this Foreign Investment'
Company is important as it has scores of companies. We'
should concentrate on this page-page 7. Had we from
the beginning found this page, we would have concluded.
[Unidentified speaker] [passage indistinct]
[Al-Qadhdhafi] What? No, leave that aside. But this is
useful; it is a summary-short and useful. [reading from
the page] Fourth: The Libyan Arab Company for Foreign
Investments. This is on page 7; there is another report
about the Public Treasury beside this report about the
company.
We read: The company continued its activities by invest=
.g the 'money allocated to it in the sectors of agriculture;
in
industry,. tourism, transport, sea fishing, mining, and
communications-now we know the compay's foreign
activities. I mean, the popular conferences know the
activities of the Foreign Investment Company. What are
its activities? Its activities are agricultural, industrial,
touristic, as well as in the fields of transport, sea fishing;
mining, and communications. It participates in 93 com-
panies with a capital amounting to about 200 million
dinars, distributed as follows: 30 companies in the Arab.
homeland-that is to say this Foreign Investment Com'
pany.has a capital of about 200 million Libyan dinars;, it
participates with this capital in 93 companies, including
30 companies in the Arab homeland, 30 companies in
Africa, 4 companies in Asia, 26 companies in Europe,
and 3 companies in Latin America. Thus, the number of
our companies abroad has become clear to us. We have
93. companies, distributed as follows: 30 in the Arab.
homeland, 30 in Africa, 4 in Asia, 26 in Europe, and 3 in,
Latin America-on sound economic bases.
It participates in the development of the host countries
and provides some of the commodities and -services
required by the Libyan market. What does this mean? It
means the company helps some of the countries which
are friendly to us-through the presence of our compa-
nies in those countries, as these companies participate in
the economic activities of these countries; and this is
what some people have talked about, saying that Foreign
Investment Company sometimes makes a loss and some-
times makes a profit: Sometimes we.have economic
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activity in' a country such as Uganda, Nicaragua, Suri-
name, Ghana, Burkina Faso, Yemen, Syria, Tunisia,
sometimes to help them, and not for the Libyans to make
profit. We establish a company to carry out economic
activities to help these states; but this makes, this com-,
pany, with its subsidiary companies, either lose or gain.,
This is the activity of this company.
Secondly, the activity, according this memorandum, is:
The company provides some of the, commodities and
services `required by the Libyan market-that is'to say, it
imports, some commodities' from. `these countries in
which it has. a presence. For example, it is said that the
company imports-the Foreign. Investment, Company
which operates in these countries-imports tomato
puree, olive oil, tea, fish, clothing, shoes, medicines,.and
some electrical and agricultural equipment. The brother
who spoke earlier said: Why did the company not import
equipment-the water pumps-through the company
which is in Cyprus, which is a subsidiary of'the Foreign'
Investment Company? This is logical, since the latter
imports this equipment.
Then the authorized capital of .the company is 500
million and the paid capital is. 268 million. [Al-Qadhd-,
hafi continues to read from the paper] The company was.
able, as a result of selling some of its major participation,
to realize some significant returns, which are now being
'
used to bolster, its network of assistance by necessary.
investment, in addition to the returns obtained as a
result of the operations in the international financial.
market. All right. The company has realized 'positive
results, whether with regard to. international operations
through its investment network.or in the international
financial markets. The total ordinary return, realized by
the end of fiscal year 1986. was about 30 million-that is,
29` million, plus-Libyan dinars? against 13 million the
previous year. That is to say, in,1985. the profit made by
the company was 1;3.5 million. In 1986 it made a profit ,
of 30 million. That is to say, the profit has been doubled..
[Al-Qadhdhafi has' a, few indistinct words aside with 'an
unidentified man]
[AI-Qadhdhafi continues] All right;' we will discuss it
later. [continues reading] This was as a result of the
concentrated efforts to increase the number, of compa-
nies which have entered the phase of realizng returns;
and after excludifg'the expenses and other expenditures,
the net income is estimated at 17 million plus dinars.
This company, in other words,' had a profit last year-I
mean the year before-of 17 million dinars. It partici-
pated in 93 companies distributed over the world,
according to the numbers we mentioned-30 here and
30 here and 4. here and 26 there, and soon. The. matter
has become clear to you. I believe that this company is
successful in two aspects-it ' is successful because it
earns Libya money='I,do ?not say this because of what I
have read here, as I'thave the information already-this
company is successful, because . it brings back money to
Libya-that is to say, iris making a profit and not a loss;
it has contributed to the Treasury-and it has created a
Libyan Arab presence on all the continents of the world.
[Unidentified speaker] ' Pardon me; [reads from the'
paper] it has realized actual and official profits amount-
ing to 792 million dinars.
[Al-Qadhdhafi] What is the meaning of this? One would
have assumed that the member of the Treasury would be
here. As long as we are discussing the companies which
belong to the Treasury, he should have been here.
[Answer indistinct]
[Al-Qadhdhafi] Explain this phrase, you, the specialist in
economics and accountancy.
[Unidentified'speaker] It should Mr Zarruq.
[Al-Qadhdhafi] Where is he? No; the accountancy.
[Other'speakers' remarks indistinct]
[Al-Qadhdhafi] Who is he? Mr Zarruq. What is his
status?
[Unidentified speaker] Member of the conference.
[Al-Qadhdhafi] Explain to the people the extraordinary
income which was realized by the company and which
are estimated at 792 million or nearly 800 million
dinars. Ali; I know now. This is.the outcome of selling its
shares in the Fiat Company.
[Several speakers remarks indistinct]
[Al-Qadhdhafi] Alright; this is another issue. Correct.
This deal is known in which we made a huge profit-700
or 800 million dinars. That is when we sold our shares in
the Fiat company. This money is now being invested
abroad. There is a committee which supervises it. But
this company has realized a profit-how much did we
say?
[Unidentified speaker] Seventeen million.
[Al-Qadhdhafi] Seventeen million. Then, any of you who
wants to make a point or an observation on this can do
so. This should be' followed by discussion, without
speeches and lectures. If the company sells a number of
subsidiary companies, and if its activities and its capital
and profits-these issues you should discuss. Yes?
[Passage omitted: several speakers talk about the profits
of the company, saying that the profit made out of selling
Libya's shares in Fiat was 944 million dinars]
[Al-Qadhdhafi] Please contact the Treasury secretary
and let him explain. Ask him: Did the company made a
profit of 17 million dinars out of selling our shares in
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Fiat or is its profit from other sources? All right. Gener-
ally speaking, this report explains to us [changes thought]
From this point the discussion should proceed.
[Passage omitted on dialogue between Al-Qadhdhafi and
several unidentified speakers with Al-Qadhdhafi stress-
ing that the method for debate should be in this man-
ner-read the report and then point out your remarks
negatively or positively]
[First speaker] Brother leader; I ask you by God to give
me a minute.
[Al-Qadhdhafi] Yes, if it concerns our agenda.
[First speaker] No...
[Al-Qadhdhafi, interrupting] If it does not concern the
agenda then this is not the place for it.
[Second speaker] Stay with the issue under discussion.
[First speaker] We will discuss it under the heading local
issues. [first speaker continues, but indistinct]
[Al-Qadhdhafi] What does the conference have to do
with it? It is a problem but it has no relation with the
popular conference. Take her name and [sentence
incomplete]. Yes, I now have your paper; it is-here.
[First speaker continues, indistinct] .
[Al-Qadhdhafi] The problem does not belong to the
conference. All right. We have taken your paper. [pas-
sage omitted: Al-Qadhdhafi tells the person sitting
beside him to proceed by calling other people to speak
and resume the discussion. The first speaker is heard in
the background still speaking. Al-Qadhdhafi asks the
person beside him to give him the paper. He keeps telling
the first speaker: all right, all right. First speaker contin-
ues to shout]
[Al-Qadhdhafi, talking to the person sitting beside him]
Why do you allow discussion like this at the conference:
[more noise in the background from the first speaker and
others] All right, but not at the conference.
[First speaker] But I have no one.
[Al-Qadhdhafi] Take her name and the details of her
problem and transfer it to the right authority.
[Speaker] Brother Irsan, please proceed.
[Another speaker] I believe that there are a number of
good remarks and that the drafting committee should
include them. [First speaker again interrupts, indistinct]
ARAB AFRICA
[Al-Qadhdhafi] Have you discipline during the meet-
ings?
[Speaker] Yes we have. [then addressing another person]
That is it, Masud.
[Al-Qadhdhafi] Do not demolish your democracy. All
right, this is a problem but it should not be discussed at
conference level.
[Speaker] Sir; leader, there are people who come from
everywhere as long as the meeting is being held at
municipality level. This is the problem. [passage omit-
ted: Other speakers contribute to the debate of the points
on the agenda, referring to the foreign investment com-
pany]
[Speaker] There are many memoranda that lack clarifi-
cation; they are not clear. It is not easy to understand
them. There are people whose standard is weak; this
means that they cannot understand them. [repetitive
passage omitted]
[Al-Qadhdhafi] A company or an administrative estab-
lishment has the right to prepare a scientific report in
this form. But when the report comes up for discussion
the secretariat of a people's congress or a drafting com-
mittee or the specialized people's committee-that is the
member of the specialized people's committee-should
simplify it and explain in detail before submitting it to
the congress so that everyone will understand it at all
levels. But the report must be produced with all these
scientific details. I mean, a company or a bank or the
treasury-they produce the reports in this way for doc-
umentation purposes; reports should be produced in this
way.
But when these reports come to the conferences they
should be simplified and submitted to the people in such
a way that the latter will understand whether we have
made a profit or'sustained a loss; how much have we
spent and how much we have lost on this project and
what the project has yielded. You subtract one from the
other and you will know how much was the profit. Then
we can say that we have made such and such a profit-
in one or two lines. [passage omitted: others speak ask
and are answered by presumably the secretary of the
basic people's congress of sidi al-khalifah. their questions
centered further on the points already discussed]
[Speaker] Please allow me, Brother Badri, as I have a
remark I want to make about the the company regarding
the number of technical cadres. Please allow me one
minute. This point is clear and says: The company will
work continuously in order to attract efficient elements
and will endeavor to provide them with local and exter-
nal training in order to run the company's works that are
spread all over the world.
[Second speaker] [Words indistinct]
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[Third speaker] Please review [words indistinct] in this
sphere which is the sphere of industry and engineering,
and so on then see for yourself the magnitude of negli-
gence [words indistinct].
[Al-Qadhdhafi] But this is not a condition. Sometimes
the company is not prepared to respond to these appli-
cations. They cannot accept everyone who submits an
employment application. Rejection of applicants does
not mean that the company is not doing its job properly.
The company employs people according to its own
needs. All right, we know that there are many applica-
tions and you are looking for elements. The company can
reply: This is our only need. Rejection of the rest does
not mean that we are not doing our job properly. Let us
be sure that it is not doing its job properly and there is
negligence. This is one of the points to be discussed.
[Speaker] The other point is the safeguarding of the
people's money with regard to the question of middle
men. Why? Because there are states in which the com-
pany operates [words indistinct].
[Al-Qadhdhafi, asking person sitting beside him] How
did you understand what he said?
[Speaker next to Al-Qadhdhafi] Our assets that have
been invested abroad have been frozen in some coun-
tries. This is an important point.
[Al-Qadhdhafi] We have companies all over the world-
93 companies. What guarantees do we have in these
countries when the latter change their political regimes
and especially when the result of such change is the
nationalization of these assets? Something of this sort
has actually happened; we have lost as a result. There are
pending issues relating to this. It is only logical when
questions are asked about these issues. Asking such
questions shows the people's concern about their assets.
;'[passage omitted: other speakers discuss various points
relating to the company]
[Speaker] [words indistinct]
[Al-Qadhdhafi] This speaker is saying that sometimes
-the Foreign Investment Company makes losses econom-
ically, but it covers up this loss by deceiving us and says
that it has made a political gain for the Jamahiriyah, and
therefore the economic aspect should be overlooked. It is
quite clear; we should not allow anyone to deceive us.
What is the political gain? It should tell us. Then we can
compare the economic loss to the political gain and ask:
Can we accept this economic loss against this political
gain? Can we afford to lose economically in order to
realize a political gain? Have we made an economic loss
for the sake of making a political gain? Having made an
economic loss are we trying to make a political gain?
Having made an economic loss are we to try to cover it
up by deceitfully saying that we have made a political
gain? Even the political gain should be clear to us: What
is it?
What is the attitude of this state toward us with regard to
all these issues? Is it in a camp hostile to us? What has
this state done? We should know all this and pass the
information to the People's Bureau for Foreign Liaison
and compare the states in which we have investments,
and which we have helped, and which we have given
loans to, and their attitudes as reflected by the report of
the People's Bureau for Foreign Liaison. What is their
attitude in regard. to the Atlantic aggression on us, the
question of Palestine, the recognition of the Zionist
enemy, as well as their. attitudes at the UN Security
Council, within the Nonaligned Movement, in Africa,
the question of Aozou, the Gulf of Sidra, and so on-
what were the attitudes of these states?
[Speaker] There is a report by the People's Bureau for
Foreign Liaison about this...
[Al-Qadhdhafi, interrupting] Yes. Then we take these
remarks and compare these economic benefits with the
political attitudes. [applause and slogans-Teach, 0
leader, how to realize our future]
Mauritanian Official Attends Meeting in Ifrane
Delivers Message to King
AB071222 Nouakchott Domestic Service in French
0730 GMT 7 Jan 88
[Text] The [Mauritanian] minister of foreign affairs and
cooperation [Major Mohamed Lemine Ould N`Diayane]
was yesterday received in Ifrane by Morocco's King
Hassan II, to whom' he delivered a message from Colonel
Maaouya Ould Sid`Ahmed Taya, the chairman of the
CMSN and head of state. It should be recalled that
Major Mohamed Lemine Ould N`Diayane represented
our country [Mauritania] at the meeting of the Jerusalem
Committee in Ifrane last Monday evening.
Reports on Committee Meeting
AB091018 Nouakchott Domestic Service in French
0730 GMT 9 Jan 88
[Excerpt] On 5 January in Ifrane, Morocco, [Maurita-
nian] Minister of Foreign Affairs and Cooperation,
Major Mohamed Lemine Ould N'Diayane, participated
in the extraordinary meeting of the Jerusalem Commit-
tee, of which our country [Mauritania] is a member. The
meeting was devoted to the serious situation in the
occupied territories. Upon his return to Nouakchott on
7 January, the minister stated to the Mauritanian News
Agency that the committee had decided implement
important measures of moral and material support for
the valiant struggle of the Palestinian people. It had also
called for the mobilization of the international commu-
nity to condemn the Zionist occupant and to convince it
to stop its repressive activities in the occupied territo-
ries. [passage omitted]
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Sudan
SPLA Refutes Al-Mahdi's Claim on Cease-Fire
EA 131541 (Clandestine) Radio of the Sudanese People's
Liberation Army in English .1300, GMT 13 Jan 88,
[Text] The official SPLM/SPLA spokesman today has
refuted Sadiq al-Mahdi's claim that the SPLA has agreed
for a cease-fire provided that the state of emergency was
lifted.
In a statement to radio SPLA this afternoon, the spokes-
man described Sadiq al-Mahdi's propaganda as naive
and absurd and a non-intelligent way of trying to divert
public attention from the fall of Kapoeta and the crisis
caused by the two family cliques of Al-Mahdi and
Al-Mirghani. The spokesman stressed that the only
agreement to date that the SPLA has made with-Khar-
toum is the Koka Dam Declaration and this is what was
reaffirmed to the generals who metSPLA representatives
in London. Any other interpretation of the informal
London meeting is wishful thinking based on political
scheming which in no way advances peace to our
beloved country, concluded the spokesman.
Convoy Ambushed Between Kapoeta, Torit
EA131546 (Clandestine) Radio of the Sudanese People's
Liberation Army in English 1300 GMT 13 Jan 88.
[Text] SPLA forces of Eastern Equatoria zonal command
under the overall command of alternate commander
Gilario Modi Horinyang and the operational command
of alternate commander (Aru Mann) ambushed an
enemy convoy between Kapoeta and Torit on 12th
January 1988.
Correspondent for Radio SPLA says that many enemy
soldiers were killed and several others sustained injuries.
Three lorries were completely destroyed and seven G-3
rifles were captured. The enemy force is now encircled
and will be annihilated, our correspondent concluded.
SPLA Shells Malwal Shatt Garrison 5 Jan
EA 131549 (Clandestine) Radio of the Sudanese People's
Liberation Army in English 1300 GMT 13 Jan 88
[Excerpt] SPLA forces of Red Battalion under the oper-
ational command of Captain (Edward Gai Garang)
shelled Malwal Shatt enemy garrison in Bor Town on 5th
January 1988 and inflicted heavy casualties on the
enemy in both men and material. Correspondent says
that some scientific military installations were gutted
down. [passage omitted]
Radio SPLA Comments on Capture of Kapoeta
EA 132251 (Clandestine) Radio of the Sudanese People's
Liberation Army in Latuka 1100 GMT 13 Jan 88
[Emmanuel Ambrose Ocholi-Moi commentary]
[Excerpt] Hello SPLA combatants, who captured the
town of Kapoeta. You have captured it yourselves.
Nobody helped you in capturing it, contrary to Al-
Sadiq's claims that you are helped by foreign troops.
Thank you very much. We will soon control all the
towns.
This is the right time to question Mr al-Sadiq al-Mahdi
because, when we captured Kurmuk; Al-Sadiq's voice
was very loud in deceiving the world, saying that it was
the Ethiopian Government which- helped us to capture
that town. Now we have captured Kapoeta. AI-Sadiq
should now also blame Ethiopia. Al-Sadiq must know
that we have captured Yirol which is in the center of the
south. Whom can he blame?;
Now we have captured; Kapoeta. He should blame the
Kenyan Government. And when we also capture
Nimule, he can blame the Ugandan Government. When
Yei is captured, he may as well blame Zaire. And when
we also capture Wadi .Haifa, he can blame the Egyptian
authorities. He should know that this is our country and
we need nobody.to help us fight.
I am now telling you, the Toposas, Didingas, and the
Latukas, that as you have heard from the news, the
commander of the enemy. forces in Kapoeta is in the
bush with some of his troops, and you must by all means
report the whereabouts of this man and his soldiers to
our forces in Kapoeta town. We do not want to kill them,
but'we are worried for their lives since they have no
experience of living in the bush. The name of the
commander is Colonel PSC [Passed Staff College] `Abd
al-Munim Mahjub.
You, the Sudanese Air Force serving under the regime of
Al-Sadiq al-Mahdi, should bear in mind that any attempt
to airlift the Sudanese Army to Kapoeta will be repulsed.
Our air defense units are on maximum alert and are
ready to bring down any plane flying over our controlled
areas.
We want you to know that even if reinforcements come
from Torit, they will never reach Kapoeta and they will
all certainly die. [passage omitted]
Al-Mahdi, AI-Fadil Deny Fall of Kapoeta
JN141052 Khartoum SUNA in English 1030 GMT
14 Jan 88
[Text] Khartoum Jan 14 (SUNA)-Premier and Defence
Minister al-Sadiq al-Mahdi and Armed Forces General
Commander Gen Fawzi al-Fadil have denied the news
saying that the equatorial town of Kapoeta has been
captured by the rebels.
Both officials have affirmed they did not receive any
reports or information about the fall or withdrawal of the
Army from the town.
The Armed Forces General Commander said that "if we
receive any news about the capturing of the town by the
dissidents we will issue a communique explaining the
facts."
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