AL-QADHDHAFI INTERVIEWED; PROMISES TO SUBVERT U.S.

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• Publication Date: November 10, 1985
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Visiting Cuban Party Delegation Holds Talks
NORTH AFRICA Q t
Received by Bitat
LD0921 S8 Algiers Domestic Service in French 1830 GMT
9 Nov 85
[Text] Mr Rabah Bitat received the delegation of the Cuban
Communist Party led by Mr Julio Garcia Oliveera, vice president
of the party's Control Commission, this afternoon. Talks were
centered on bilateral relations, particularly in the area of inter-
parliamentary exchanges. They also extensively examined the
international situation, particularly the situation in Africa and
Latin America.
Talks With Messaadia
LD101738 Algiers APS in English 1426 GMT 10 Nov 8S
[Text] Algiers, 10 Nov 85 (APS) -The head of the F.L.N. C.C.
Permanent Secretariat, Mohamed Cherif Messaadia received on
Sunday a Cuban Communist Party delegation, in visit to Algeria,
led by Julio Garcia Oliveera, vice-president of the Control Com-
mission.
The talks ranged over the exchange of experiences in different
fields, on several international issues and particularly those
related to the independence and the right to self-determination,
the south-south dialogue and the [word indistinct] of a new
international economic order.
Party Delegations' Talks
LD111117 Algiers APS in English /011 GMT l1 Nov 8S
[Text] Algiers, I 1 Nov 85 (APS) -Political talks gathered today
here the FLN party delegation headed by the member of the
permanent secretariat of the Central Committee, in charge of
external relations and the delegation of the Cuban Communist
Party headed by Julio Garcia Oliveira member of the Central
Committee, vice-president of the Commission of Control.
The two sides examined the situation prevailing in the Latina
American Continent as well as in the African Continent namely
in North West Africa and southern Africa and went through the
situation in the Middle East. In addition, the two sides discussed
the ways and means to deepen and expand the cooperation
between the two countries.
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AI-Qadhdhafi Interviewed; Promises To Subvert U.S.
LDI00243 Tripoli Voice 4(Greater Arab
Homeland in Arabic 0044 GMT /0 Nov 85
[Interview by Libyan leader Colonel Mu`ammar al
with unidentified correspondents ofCBS Television an renc
English, as noted, with immediately subsequent translation into
Arabic, while all of AI-Qadhdhafi's responses are in Arabic with
subsequent translation into the language of the question; tran-
slatornot identified, and date and place of interview not given -
recorded]
[Text][Question in English](Words indistinct] THE WASHING
TON POST story. Were you surprised by the story? How did
you react to this report?
[Al-Qadhdhafi] It is very regrettable that a government should
get involved in a terrorist act [words indistinct]. I do not think
any country has the right to object to the opinions of another
people or who governs them [words indistinct], but 1 believe that
Reagan is going to be subjected to a scandal like Watergate, like
Nixon. If there is law in America, then the President must respect
the law and Constitution. Reagan has violated American law and
the Constitution, and he must be put on trial. On the other hand,
[words indistinct] if the truth of this report is confirmed, then we
will take action into America and undermine America from
inside. [Tripoli's English translation says: "If this is true, then
we will have to move and we will have to tight ourselves. From a
point ofself-defense, we shall move the battle inside America and
we shall subvert from inside."] An action calls for an action on a
reciprocal basis.
[Al-Qadhdhafi] [Words indistinct] and I believe that we (?would
be acting legitimately).
[Question in English] You mentioned -you referred in your
[words indistinct] anti-U.S. coalition of progressive socialist
states. W ho would that include?What specifically have you done
to launch this initiative?
[Al-Qadhdhafi] These states are most states of the world, because
America is the enemy of all peoples. It will extend from Central
America to (?Africa and Asia); or rather it [words indistinct] the
United States, the' nation of red Indians (?inside the United
States).
[Question in French] Colonel al-Qadhdhafi, one of the problems
at this present time between France and Libya is the problem of
Chad. It exists partly because of the presence of Libyan troops
in Chad. Are you prepared to change this situation, and, on the
other hand, would you be prepared to meet President Hissein
Habre?
[AI-Qadhdhafi] First, I object to your claim of Libyan forces
being present in Chad. There is a difference between the presence
of cooperation workers and the presence of forces. France has the
same thing in Ndjamena. Hissein Habre is not a president. I
[words indistinct] president but as a representative of one of
Chadian factions and try to reconciliate them.
[Question in French] I would like'to be sure of the answer. This
means that Col al-Qadhdhafi would agree to meet Hissein Habre
on the condition that other representatives of Chadian factions,
the representatives of the other Chadian factions, are also pre-
sent?
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Ministerial Conference on Desertification Ends
AB091735 Dakar PANA in English 1711 GMT 9 Nov 85
[Text] Dakar, 9 Nov (PANA)-The Second Ministerial~Gonfer-
ence on Desertification ended on Saturday by adopting about 30
major projects to accelerate efforts against desertification.
The conference gave mandate to the current chairman (Senegal)
to take necessary measures in obtaining material and..financial
support frorm different sources in order to facilitate immediate
implementation of the projects.
Emphasizing the need for South-South cooperation,. the con-
ference also resolved that it should be complemented by North-
South cooperation.
On the continuous surveillance of the ecosystems, the conference
adopted projects on making the existing meteorological network
more dynamic and strengthening it, operating a teletransmission
system in .various Comides [Conference Ministerielle sur la
Desertification -Ministerial Conference on Desertification]
countries, compiling an inventory of studies on climatic systems
indifferent regions, and establishing a terrestrial mechanism for
the surveillance of the ecosystems.
Others include the effective utilization of high technology for
evaluating of activities related to desertification and on the
establishment of an organisation and a management formula for
different meteological networks, as well as a followup
mechanism.
On the management and utilisation of water resources aimed at
controling drought and desertification, the conference adopted
projects which include the establishment of schemes for the
management and utilisation of the waters of major hydrographic
systems, and an inventory study project of the sites selected form
using the surface waters of the hydrographic system of Lake
Chad.
Other projects include a study on the possibility of multiplying
biological techniques in water conservation efforts, research on
water stockage and evaporation control technics, model for the
?
use of deep and superficial layers common to the region, and the
establishment for river-basin agriculture in arid and semi-arid
Sahelian regions.
On the economy of wood products the conference adopted pro-
jects on the study and development of vegetal formations,
research and popularization of substitute energies, rehabilitation
of degraded areas and creation of funds from resources generated
by the exploitation of forests to ensure that forestry operations
are implemnted.
Other projects include the adoption of a price policy which best
reflects the value. of forests products and the design of a study
looking into the .possibility of energy exchanges ,among the
Comides countries.
Regarding soils and salinisation, the conference adopted projects
which include the establishment of an inventory in each state of
the affected areas. This will be the basis of a map which will make
it possible to identify and monitor the extent and gravity of the
problem and to determine in which areas. urgent actions are to
be undertaken.
The ministers also adopted projects aimed at making efforts to
inform the popualtions about the dimension of the phenomenon
and thereby increase their awareness of the possible limitations
represented by the salinisation of poorly irrigated lands.
On the bush and burnt lands, the conference adopted a project
aimed at establishment village committees for the control of bush
fires. It is expected that these committees will serve to safeguard
stocks of organic matter and soil fertility. They will likewise
guarantee more effective management or forest ecosystem.
The ministers expressed in their final report the wish to hold the
next conference scheduled in 1988 in one of the North African
countries.
Twenty-five countries participated in the conference from Alge-
ria, Benin, Burkina Faso, Cape Verde, Congo, Ivory Coast,
Gambia, Senegal, Ghana, Guinea-Bissau and Guinea-Conakry.
Others are Mali, Morocco, Mauritania, Niger, Sierra Leone,
Chad, Togo, Tunisia, Sudan and Egypt. Cameroon, Central
African Republic and Libya were participating for the first time.
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[AI-Qadhdhafi] It is not necessary. (?We continuously meet the
other factions), and we would meet him as one of the factions
struggling for power.
[Question in French] Would you agree to meet him in a place
other than Tripoli?
[AI-Qadhdhafi] No.
[Question in English] specifically [words indistinct] you have
made any initiative, even any indirect initiatives toward the
united states in order to [words indistinct], we open at least some
sort of a dialogue between your country and [word indistinct].
[AI-Qadhdhafi] [Words indistinct] Like Hitler [words indistinct]
[Question Indistinct]
[AI-Qadhdhafi] We have tried in the past; we have no objection
to having a dialogue with [words indistinct] because we are not
against the American people, but we are against American policy
led by Reagan.
[Question in French] Do you wish to improve relations with
France -and how, as long as the Chadian problem remains?
[AI-Qadhdhafi] I am surprised that a European country [words
indistinct] what France has to do with Chad. Chad has a rapport
with Libya. France should not do anything in Chad without
Libya, if we want to speak seriously and genuinely. It is possible
[words indistinct]
[Question in French] Col al-Qadhdhafi, we know that some
people who are for the independence of New Caledonia have
come herein Libya to have advice, if not training. Do you intend
to continue this action?
[AI-Qadhdhafi] We support all the world liberation movements
and the peoples that are now struggling for liberation from
French (?rule). This is a problem of freedom and decolonization.
If fance harasses us in Chad we must harass it everywhere. If it
fights us in Chad, we fight it everywhere -from Martinique to
New Caledonia, passing through its bases in Africa -but we
hope that we will not reach this point, because President Mitter-
rand is a friend of ours and it is possible to come to an under-
standingwith him. I hope that the French people do not sacrifice
their interests with Libya for the problem of Chad. The Chadian
problem may last for another (? 100) years, or another 50 years,
(?but should cooperation between Libya and France stop because
of this problem)? [Words indistinct] ethnics (?belonging to)
Libya, Sudan, Central Africa, Cameroon [words indistinct].
[Question in French] We know that there was a highjacking of a
ship that of the Achille Lauro, and that during this highjacking
an American tourist was killed. I would like to know if Col
AI-Qadhdhafi approves of this?
[AI-Qadhdhafi] No, I am against this.
[Question in English] One of suggestions in the CIA report was
that the United states (?criticism) [words indistinct] in your
country by assisting (?dissident) [words indistinct] reports of
dissidence within the military opposed to your leadership.
[Question in French] Col al-Qadhdhafi, I would like to ask you a
question which is not in the news. I would like to know that if you
happen to disappear, what would you like to have achieved, the
most important thing to you, before your death?
[AI-Qadhdhafi] The realization of peace in the world through the
emergence of the Jamahiri regime. Governments and armies
would disappear, and only peoples will remain. (words indistinct]
Thank you.
Further Reactions to U.S. `Conspiracy' Reported
PFLO Promises Support
LD081921 Tripoli Domestic Service
in Arabic 1700 GMT 8 Nov 85
[Text] The Popular Front for the Liberation of Oman [PFLO] has
denounced the American terrorist conspiracy against the Libyan
Arab people revealed by THE WASHINGTON POST. The
Front cabled the brother leader of the revolution and (?assured)
him that the Omani Arab people, under the leadership of the
PFLO, will stand by the side of the Libyan Arab people and will
use its revolutionary and fighting capabilities for defending the
revolutionary gains achieved by the Libyan Arab people and the
Arab nation, thanks to the Great al-Fatih Revolution.
Rally Held in Tehran
LD091922 Tripoli JANA in English 1747 GMT 9 Nov 85
[Text] Tehran, Safar 25, Nov.9, JAMAH[RIYAH NEWS
AGENCY - A rally of solidarity with the Libyan Arab people
was organ)sed this morning at the Libyan Arab People's Bureau
in Tehran, against the terroristic plots being conducted by the
American Administration against Jamahiriyah, the latest of
which was uncovered by THE WASHINGTON POST daily.
The rally was attended by Hoseyn Sheykh ol-Eslam, deputy
foreign minister of Iran, the ambassadors of Arab, Islamic and
African countries as well as the ambassadors of the socialist bloc
to Tehran and scores of Jamahiriyah friends.
The secretary of the Libyan Arab Peoples' Bureau addressed the
rally. He lauded the stands of the Iranian revolution and people
towards the Libyan Arab people in its daring resistance against
all American plots and terroristic schemes.
The secretary of the People's Bureau stressed that the massive
solidarity rally shows America and all evil forces that Libya has
enough brothers and friends who stand genuinely with her what-
ever the circumstances may be.
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He added that the Libyan Arab people will continue to, be faithfu{
to its principles advocating the causes of freedom and liberation
of peoples everywhere in the world and heralding the era of the
masses as well as instigating and backing the people to take over
power, wealth and arms.
The secretary of the Libyan People's Bureau itE Tehran, reviewed
the series of plots, conspiracies and provocations led by successive
American administrations against the Libyan Arab people and
its revolutionary options.
Iranian President's Message ,
LD091925 Tripoli JANA in English 174:1 GMT 9 Nov 8S?
["President of the Iranian Islamic Republic:I)eclares His Soli-
darity with Jamahiriyah" -JANA headline]
[Text] Tripoli, Safar 25, Nov.9, JAMAHIRIYAH NEWS
AGENCY,- `Ali Khamene`i, president of the Islamic Republic
of Iran, sent. a message to the leader of the revolution. -Text as
follows:
The exposure of the new conspiracy by criminal America against
brotherly Libyan Arab people shows the world, once again, the
low and aggressive nature of criminal America and its terrorist
rulers. It is natural that the courageous and militant Libyan Arab
people, its revolutionary leadership and struggle are, being sub-
jected to the plots and consipiracies of international tyranny and
terrorism of America. We are sure that the exposure of.this p4ot
will strengthen the determination and will of the Libyan. Arab
people more and more. ?
We declare our revolutionary solidarity with the brotherly Lib-
yan Arab people in its struggle and steadfastness against the
terroristic attempts by American imperialism,
Hungarian Envoy Conveys Support
LDI l 1646 Tripoli Domestic Service
in Arabic 1330 GMT I l Nov 85
[Text] The brother secretary of the General People,'s Committee.
for Information and Culture. at noon today conferred with the
Hungarian ambassador to the Socialist People Arab Libyan
Jamahiriyah. During the meeting the Hungarian ambassador
conveyed to the brother secretary of the (Jgnerat People's Com-
mittee for Information and Culture the solidarity of the govern-
ment and the people oPHungary with the Libyan Arab people in
their confrontation of all the conspiracies being hatched by the
American Administration againstthe people, of the Jamahiriyah.
The Hungarian ambassador hailed the stance and the courage of
the Great 1 September Revolution, in confronting the American
conspiracies and described U.$. President Reagan as ari old man
whose conspiracies cannot have an effect'upon the youth of the.
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Q 3 NORTH AFRICA
? SUDAN
U,$. Reportedly Protests Falasha Case Publicity
.dlYlO1Q48 Khartoum SUNA in English 1027 GMT /0 Nov 85'
[Text Khartoum, Nov. 10, (SUNA)_ - The U.S. officially,
expressed disgust over the putting out of the, Falasha trial prose-
duce by the Sudanese media.
The daily AL-SAHAFAH in its issue today said that the Amer-
ican Ambassador fo Khartoum, Alexander Horan in two
meetings he held separately last week with Transitional Military
Council. Chairman [TMC) `Abd al-Rahman Siwar, al-Dhahab
and Premier Al-Jazuli Daf allah protested over the issue.
In the meeting 'the ambassador said the U.S. appreciated .the
Sudan and hope that Sudan return this appreciation, the daily.
said.
The ambassador recalled that his country lavished an aid exceed-
ing 400 million dollar to Sudan during the last year budget. Such
assistant was standard putting into account the aid extended to
other friendly countries, the daily added quoting the ambassador
as saying.. .
AL-SAHAFAH quoted the ambassador as .saying that Gen.
Siwar al-Dhahab.and Premier Daf allah told him that the media
can not be restrained over carrying out its role over the
.enlightening of the masses about the blunders of the defunct
regime, of ousted President Numayri.
The two leaders reaffirmed to the ambassador Sudan willingness
to maintain strong relations with us and keen desire. to broaden
them further. ,
Sudan under the new democratic system could not be able to
restrain the freedom of the media particularly in describing.the
malpractices of the defunct regime, the daily said quoting. the
ambassador as saying the two leaders words. Former Yice Pres-
ident `Umar Muhammad al-Tayyib aqd other four former state
security officers invalvetl in the airlifting of the Falasha Jews to
Israel are currently stand trial here. ..
The trial sessions are held openly and screened by the Sudanese
television in daily while the other means of media fully. covered
the sessions... The prosecution witnesses have repeatedly said that
two.American nationals one of them the liaison officer,of the:CIA
in the American Embassy here had been behind the clandestine
operations of airlifting the Falashas through Sudanese territories
to Israel.
`Abdalta6 on U:S., USSR Military Equiptnent; South .
J1V09I104 Khartoum SUNA in English 1040 GMT 9 Nov. 85
[Text] Khartoum, Nov. 9, SUNA - Defence?Minister `Uthman
`Abdallah h'as categorically denied reports aver the presence of
American Rapid peployment Fprce.."RDF" in $udanese'soil
describing the reports as?baseaess and unfounded.
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